>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with a look at the zika crises and talk to dr. anthony fauci. >> what we have right now in the continental united states is a clear cluster of cases in a rather restricted area north of miami, 15 cases. that is as a result of the fact that we have travel-related cases that were infected elsewhere, came to the continental, moved back home or whatever, got bit by a mosquito here, they've been here, and then transmitted to someone. when that happens, charlie, you have to get mosquito control and you have to do it very aggressively. >> rose: we turn to politics and the campaign of donald trump with mark halperin of bloomberg politics. >> we've seen everyone in our business here have gotten calls

and e-mails and texts over the last year, republican establishment, people saying i cannot believe what's happening, i can't believe what's happening. the quality and quantity of publicans who are worried nowhas that perhaps the plan of sticking to trump no matter what is not the right thing to do. not trying to force him from being the nominee but abandoning him unendorsing him. >> rose: we continue with javier munoz who takes the role of alexander hamilton in hamilton. >> it's rooted in the life i like. it's challenges that obstacles, mountains i've climbed that are unique to what my journey has been as an individual, as a human being on this planet. i put myself through college, various health challenges and just coming to terms with a piece in my own skin as a human

being. i think all those things i get to pour into alexander hamilton. and the same fight i have to live my best life is the same fight he has. >> rose: we conclude this evening with the new film war dogs star jonah hill and directed by todd phillips. >> i read about this article in an rolling stone article and i read the article and it was just one of those moments where you go whoa, this feels like a movie. feels like it could be a movie, in that pantheon of truth, stranger and fiction kind of thing. >> rose: zika, politics, broadway and film when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following:

>> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: we begin this evening with the zika virus. it carries the zika virus infected 15 florida residents. traveling warning is already in effect for the summer olympics getting under way in rio. federal funding for zika is in danger of running out this month. joining me is dr. anthony fauci joining me in washington. take me this thursday afternoon about where we are in the zika crises. >> well, what we have right now

in the continental united states is a clear cluster of cases in a rather restricted area north of miami, 15 cases. that is as a result of the fact that we have travel-related cases that were infected elsewhere, came to the continental, moved back home or whatever, got bit by a mosquito that's here, the mosquitoes are here, they've been here and then transmitted to someone. when that happens, charlie, you have to get mosquito control and you have to do it very aggressively. you also have to make sure you protect pregnant women and make sure that in that area pregnant women protect themselves as best as they can, stay in doors with air conditioning, make sure the screens on their doors and windows are in tact. when they have to go out, put long clothes on that protect most of their body and then put insect repellent on. for the people who are pregnant who are not in that area, a as

you all know now the cdc and state of florida has put a restriction guidelines or guidance to have pregnant women not go to that area right now. also, since this is transmitted sexually, you got to be careful that you are exposed or potentially exposed, you got to go by the cdc guidelines for sexual transmission. so we have a situation in that are and i would not be surprised, charlie, if we see additional cases, either in florida or in other particularly those states along the gulf coast. again the answer right now in the absence of a vaccine is mosquito control as well as protecting people from being bit by mosquitoes. >> rose: a bit of history for us and for the audience here tonight. it came too far to miami how? >> here's exactly the way it came. there were people who were infected outside of the continental united states, either in south america, central

america, the caribbean, particularly puerto rico. they come to the united states or people who were in the united states and visited those places, either on business or pleasure and then came back. so now you have in florida in the whole united states, there are over 1600 travel-related zika cases. in florida there are almost 400 travel-related cases. and since we have copious mosquitoes in florida and all along the southeastern part of the united states that are capable of transmitting zika, somehow somewhere a mosquito bit that person that was a travel-related case. then bit someone who had never left the continental united states, so has no travel history and who hasn't had any other contact with the zika-infected individual. that person got infected. now, historically you would have seen what other diseases, maybe one infection here and one infection there. but what we're seeing right now in florida is a cluster of cases

in a rather restricted area. so clearly, this happens by the bite of a mosquito who originally bit someone who got infected some place else and now we have the chain of transmission here in the united states, particularly in florida. some of those cases are individual cases and some are linked. >> rose: is the war against mosquitoes a winnable war. >> if you're thinking of eradicating mosquitoes, we're never going to win that war. what we can win is the battle to suppress them enough to break any chains of transmission to make it very very inefficient for there to be transmission. when you have copious mosquitoes all over the place, you make it much more likely that you will hit one of those infected people who will then infect someone else. when you get the mosquito density very far down, you don't have to get rid of every last mosquito, but you got to get the

density down enough to get rid of and block that chain of transmission. >> rose: why are more men infected than women in the miami case? >> well, you know, you never can tell. right now the number 15 is so small that you can't do a statistical analysis on that. whenever you see situations outside of the florida situation but what other diseases and you see men more infected than women, it's usually because in certain societies, men get out, go to work more. women tend to stay in the house, do the housecleaning and those kinds of things. that's in general. but in society, like we have here in america where women are out working and doing things as much as men, i don't think that really holds. >> rose: what happens to you if you're infected with the zika virus? >> if you're not a pregnant woman, it is generally a very mild disease. 80% of the people don't get any symptoms at all and are unaware

that they've been infected except if you screen them with a test. 3% get symptoms, they are usually relatively mild. rash, fever, joint ache and pain, some redness of the eyes which we call conjunctivitis. that usually lasts about a weak. the virus generally disappears in seven days to ten days as a rare rare case of what we call gianne-barre with different viruses and apparently with see awe -- zika. with men it can be sexually transmitted. in and of itself it's less serious than dengue and less serious than chicken gunya. it's the women that sets this apart as a special kind of infection. >> rose: what happens to pregnant women that are infected.

>> when pregnant women get infected during their pregnancy, there is a chance if they get infected in the first trimester they'll have a baby that has a congenital abnormality particularly microcephaly which is a small size of the head due with the interference with the development process of the brain when generally when it develops pushes up the skull in the nice smooth form of the skull. but when the development of the brain is either hindered or destroyed, it does not develop fully and the head looks like it is much smaller. also, if you get infected a little bit later, even though the brain seems to develop well, it can actually almost cave in. it's a very tragic situation because it reeks terrible depsychiatrickion on the child. >> rose: i want to talk about vaccines in just a moment. there's a question of zika at the olympics. help us understand how severe that is and the decision by a

significant number of people, certainly, not to go to rio. >> okay. so when you say not to go to rio, just to emphasize there's calculator in -- clarity in this, if you're a pregnant woman you should not go to rio because that's an area where there's a active tranmix and cdc guidelines say you shouldn't go. so non-pregnant women be it an athlete be it a man or woman or what have you, if you look at the rate of infection in brazil now in august compared to what it was in january and february, it is now quite low compared to that. it's not absent, it's not zero but it's really low. the reason for that is twofold. people who live there have been infected already so they're

already immune which dampens the probability. the mosquito density is significantly less now in august because august is their winter while january is their summer. so even though there's a possibility that you might get infected if you go to brazil, that likelihood is much much lower than it was in january. that's the reason why even months ago we were saying in general, apart from pregnant women, that the risk of going down there and having a serious problem is very low. because outside of pregnant women, zika is a relatively mild disease. >> rose: now, there's vaccine. nih trials have recently began. what are the hopes for the vaccine? >> well, we began a phase one trial on august 2nd and the phase one trials continuing now. it's going to be a total of 80 individuals and the first question you ask charlie, is it safe. namely, do we have any immediate

red flags come up. and does it induce the kind of response that you would predict would be protected. if that looks good we'll know that by the end of 2016 and then we would hopefully proceed in the early part of 2017 into a very large trial. ranging from 2400 people to 5,000 people to ask the question, does it work, does it prevent infection. and the goal and direct answer to your question is to get a vaccine that would prevent infection, particularly in young women and girls of child-bearing age to protect them for when they become pregnant. >> rose: do you assume these trials will be successful? >> charlie, you never assume that a vaccine trial is going to be successful. which is the reason why there are more than one candidate. now we started our trial a couple days ago a company anovio

started their trial days before and we'll start another one in october and later on. whenever you to vaccine particularly for something as serious as this, you always have to have multiple candidates and multiple irons in the fire because you never have a guarantee any single given candidate is going to work. so you put a lot of them in play. >> rose: vaccines are the best hope? >> no doubt it's the best hope. there's two ways you can address this. get rid of the mosquitoes which is very very difficult to do, as we know now in brazil and what we're seeing in florida. or get a successful safe and effective vaccine to protect the population, particularly the vulnerable ones such as women who are pregnant. >> rose: dr. fauci, as always thank you so much. >> good to be with you, charlie. >> rose: stay with us. >> rose: we continue with our look at the zika virus and its impact in florida with a

conversation with the chief medical correspondent for cbs snooze a practicing physician and this is from a conversation recorded on thursday afternoon. >> well, i think the number one thing that's going on right now is that every one of my colleagues at every level of government especially in the health profession at the local, at the state, at the federal are beside themselves over the lack of funding to help this zika out burst. now back in february president obama requested $1.9 billion in emergency funding at the request of the cdc, dr. tom frieden is the head of that. >> rose: this is not new money moving money around. >> they want new emergency money they didn't want it to be moved around. tony fauci who you will be talking to who is head of infection diseases will say the same thing. what happened was no new funding has been allocated. now almost $600 million has been moved around, money that was supposed to go to ebola and some other things but that's sort of

robbing peter to pay paul and that has to be replenished. there's lots of politics and there's a $1.1 billion compromise bill passed by the house but the hold up is in the senate because, and the democrats and republicans are pointing fingers to each other because what happened is the republicans put on a rider that said well the funding can't be used for planned parenthood support and there was also some issue about offsetting. the democrats want it to be entirely emergency funding which is not offset, not taken away from other programs. so there's a compromise there but the bottom line is congress is away on recess, no new funding. i just spoke to tom frieden, the head of the cdc and he is beside himself. same thing with tom frieden, with tony fauci. and tom frieden said to me this is no way to run an epidemic. >> rose: dr. john lapook in a conversation recorded thursday afternoon. we continue this evening at the look back at the ongoing presidential campaign,

republican nominee donald trump had had a tough week. he drew wide spread criticism after engaging the public feud with the khan family, the muslim american father of a fallen soldier and his wife. the episode has increased tensions within the gop. donald trump refused to endorse paul ryan and senator john mccain in their primary bid. in a fox news poll hillary clinton has a 10 point advantage over donald trump. joining me is mark halperin from bloomberg. where is it. >> the reflection of what a bad place he has but had the corrosive effect on the morale of the republicans. we've all seen everyone in our business, have gotten calls and e-mails and texts from people over the lease year, republican

establishments, people saying i cannot believe what's happening. can't believe this is happening. the quality and quantity of those in the last 48 hours has been extraordinary. republicans who are worried now that perhaps the plan of sticking to trump no matter what is not the right thing to do. not trying to force them from being the nominee, but abandon thing him, unendorsing him. and so trump has to right the ship or he will face a very precarious situation where republican donors, republican operatives, republican establishment types will focus solely on the house and senate. >> rose: before he rights the ship he has to recognize there's a problem. does he recognize there's a problem. >> i'm told he does. there's certainly in the inner circle a belief that people who are talking to him regularly, the upper levels of the campaign believe he gets it. he's made public comments in the last couple days and interviews with local stations, television stations that he gets it. he needs to focus on the economy giving a major speech on the economy monday at the detroit economic club and on hillary

clinton. and he says he'll talk more about those things and less about kind of fights and distractions. we all know he's not going to be a disciplined candidate in the way any other candidate would be at this level. will it be more displund? i think so. i'm not sure it will be enough. >> rose: are you saying that it will take more for people to begin disendorsing him, so much so that in order to save their own skin. >> they'll do this in a self interested way. there will be very few people on the ballot in november who have some sense of morality and say i can't be for donald trump. here's the problem endorsing him. there are ten states left in the primary. even in a general election, 70% of the base of the republican party loves donald trump they want him to win. >> rose: 70% of the base love donald trump. >> that's at the back of the envelope think.

think about the gerrymandering. they are dominant republican district. in those district i'm talking about. your house candidate 70% of your base voters they're for trump. he's the republican nominee. there's no play book which says go into a general election with 70% of your base voters angry at you. just doesn't compute. they could stay home, they could vote for someone else on the ballot. so it is not out of some sense of love for donald trump or belief that he's running a great campaign that they're sticking with him. it's because you run the risk of losing a state seat if you abandon the nominee of your party who is elected by the voters. >> rose: if donald trump turns it around in terms of not digging a deeper hole and begins to talk about change, begins to talk about the economy, does not get distracted by personal accusations or whatever they are, if, that big if he does that, what makes you think he can win this election?

>> still tough. it's tough for any republican because of the electoral college and the demographics. he doesn't need to improve in that many states. he had a very good fund raising month which we now see. he has a potential to raise small donations where people can keep giving him money. >> rose: coming from the base. >> coming from the base. but they can be foot soldiers, enyesed in the campaign and keep giving him money. if he runs good tv ads and focuses on those states and the election, more about donald trump and hillary clinton it could be up hill for him. >> rose: paul made the point this morning on cbs this morning that the people who have defected are really people who they were not surprised. they weren't enthusiastic trump people. >> yes. >> rose: meg whitman or whoever else it might be. these were not people that they thought would go to the end. >> i think that's fair. maybe there's a few exceptions in there where you might be a little bit surprised. but look trump is an unconventional candidate he's the establishment candidate he

was a democrat not that long you ago. he's got some views on foreign policy that are outside the mainstream of the establishment. and so i think if he has a good, i think he'll make it to the first debate with that mass defection. if he has a good first debate i think he can keep things together. >> rose: no matter how many people say, come to the conclusion that as the president suggested they should he's not fit to be president. that has not yet stuck. >> in elite circles it has. i don't think he would do particularly well in sites of manhattan or malibu dinner parties but in the republican party, as i said, there's a reason why paul ryan says my nominee says something that was racist but i'm still for him. and it's still in their interests to try to hold things together. because the minute people like paul ryan abandon him, there would be chaos within the base of the republican party and they run the risk then of losing the house of the representatives.

much more likely than staying the course for now. >> rose: thank you, mark. >> thank you. >> rose: back in a moment. stay with us. javier munoz is here. last month he replaced lin-manuel miranda in the role of alexander hamilton in the tony-nominated musical hamilton. he was miranda's alternative dating back to the off broadway debut in january 2015. also serves as lin-manuel's alternative and later replacement in the 2008 broadway musical in the hype. i'm pleased to have javier munoz at this table for the first time. i'm thrilled to have you here and congratulations. >> thank you so much. i'm thrilled to be here. >> rose: now you and lin-manuel go back how long. >> at this point it's 11 years. >> rose: this had to do with the hype. >> yes. we met in 2005 for an audition.

i went in and sang a george michael song for him and the dream team as we call it. >> rose: the dream female with he and tommy -- >> he and tommy and bill. they are the sort of -- >> rose: yes. >> and the rest is history. we just became fast friends shortly after that was when they were going a different route with that character that i was playing. and lin was the composer for two weeks. we were at the theatre conference in connecticut. and it was -- idea to audition for me. it was for me, when we forged that friendship it's unlike any working relationship i have anywhere. >> rose: it's intimate, it's inspiring, constructive, collaborative everything. >> yes.

it's all those things. and it's a friendship too. and it takes great trust to do what we do in the room together for two actors to put aside ego and to put aside everything else and just make it work. the focus and build a character together is very unique. >> rose: this is a very simple question but everybody thinks about it. what is his genius. >> when i work with him, i find it to be it's what's he listening to. it's his perception of the context of whatever he's in, right. whether he's immersing himself in music or tv or a book or a conversation. he hears at a level and takes information and perceives at a level i never experienced anyone else. it's getting to the heart of

each thing. and that i think is what he puts into his writing, he puts into his work. >> rose: if you had to list and define all these skills, is there one that stands out more than others because it's so close to perfection. like is it the music, is it the lyrics, is it ... >> i it's the humility and i think that's what he. that allows him to get to the heart of every interaction and every engagement he finds himself in. and it comes out of his writing very much so. >> rose: writing is how he defines everything else. >> of. >> yes, absolutely. >> rose: alexander hamilton how would you define that.

>> the disfection i bring to hamilton is rooted in the life i've led. it's challenges that obstacles, mountains i've climbed that are unique to what my journey has been as an individual, as a human being on this planet. i put myself through college, various health challenges and just coming to terms with a piece in my own skin as a human being. all those thing i get to pour into alexander hamilton and the same fight i have to live my best life is the same fight he has. >> rose: these are not or health challenges. i mean you have really had to have within you a real strength. >> that is rooted in my family, yes. my team, my support, my root are my brothers and my parents. and no matter what is going on

and in the past no matter what has been going on in my childhood my teenager, young adult, all throughout my life the safest place i could be was home. >> rose: because they gave you not only comfort but also courage and strength. >> yes. >> rose: this is a terrible phase to battle hiv. >> it was a difficult phase. >> rose: difficult. >> yes. i find it -- >> rose: difficult because, difficult because it's better than any other word. >> it was 2002 when i was diagnosed. i'd like to think that much of the stigma and weight of being diagnosed with hiv has lifted and there's far more work we have to do. on a global scale, there's even more work which needs to be done. but 2002, i needed a lot of love and support and my family was there. >> rose: not to give up. >> absolutely, absolutely.

and to just be there through those, i think anyone prior to the current medications that are available which are remarkable. >> rose: this is beyond the cocktail. >> absolutely. those earlier cocktail combinations and what was available had such incredibly severe side effects. and to live through that and survive through that took my family's support, you know. and it was, there were days it was just difficult to look at myself in the mirror, you know. and there's mom's hand on my cheek and that's all i need to know that i'm okay. >> rose: how proud is she today. >> they are incredibly proud, incredibly proud. >> rose: did they come the first, obviously they've seen you a number of times. did they come the night you did the first time when lin was

gone. >> they saw my very first show at the public theatre. and i'll never forget that experience. they saw that with my oldest brother. and i remember it coming out into the lobby to greet them and the normal joy and tears and love in my parents eyes but i couldn't find my brother. i asked my father, where is he. and my father very sort of lively says you should go outside he's outside. that's all he said. i said okay that's strange. why isn't he here to greet me. i walk outside of the public theatre and just outside the doors my oldest brother and he's got teary eyed and he was so proud that he needed to leave the building and get air and just take a moment. and we shared quite a special hug and moment. >> rose: that familial look. >> yes, absolutely. >> rose: hamilton, tell me

who he is to you. >> as a role, it is the greatest role i've ever played. it is so rich and there are so many players, there's so much detail in every single moment that as an actor it's a treasure trove. it seemed endless the amount of work that i could bring into him and discoveries i can have. as a historical character, i sort of marvel at his courage as someone who immigrated to this country on his own and built the life that he did. >> rose: what a shock. >> yes. it's beyond admirable. and i mean, i think that's what feeds my passion to constantly keep digging into the character is to do him justice.

sort of the founding of our country. >> rose: so does your preparation go beyond the book and lin and the text that you have. >> absolutely. as much history as i could pour into it but also as much humanity is the best word i can think of is constantly reading the newspaper, watching the news, talking to people, their reactions, hearing the words that people use to describe their experience when they've seen the show, and looking for more current events that are relevant to use. >> rose: the nuances. >> yes, absolutely, you know. it's a vibrant time in our world right now to be pouring so much of that into the conversations and the moments. >> rose: none of us have loved theatre and loved history and biography has got to see anything, to be there and to steal in that theatre, now the

richard rogers theatre the sense of a whole range of actors and musicians. and an audience from across the world coming together for a night in which they're celebrating and adding dimension to what they understood. >> yes. >> rose: about a huge significant event in global history. >> absolutely. and it's thrilling. it's so thrilling. i've never in my life, i mean and i know it, i stand back stage ready to go on and that audience is cheering. they are thrilled to be in that house and thrilled to hear this story. i never experienced anything like that before. and it's, i mean there's no need to feel any nerves you know, right, in that situation you're just going to celebrate the story. >> rose: it never gets old. >> no. it's too rich. what lin has created, what andy's created for us movement wise, what tommy has created for

us through direction. even that set, there's just constant discovery, you know. there's all, there's constantly -- >> rose: and the dancing too. >> they are remarkable. that ensemble is remarkable. >> rose: here's what you said. the show is not just a history lesson it's a lesson in empathy and chairing experiences. it's about sharing my ethnicity, sharing my sexuality or sharing my health i it's been a humbling reminder that there's so much more we can share about ourselves and there's such power in that moment of connection. i'm immensely proud of the whole encouragement i can offer audiences or fans by my experience i can prove it is not impossible. >> i don't know if there will

ever be a time in this in my life or in my career again. and that's okay if there never is because the power of the gift of being given this character to play, the support to be open about who i am as an individual, as a human being and as an artist, and to be able to bring that forward into the role, to have a diverse cast and to stand with that diversity every night. to have all of that be conveyed by simply just showing up and doing our work and telling the story. the hope that brings to an audience, the hope that brings to the person who might not have ever seen themselves represented on stage before. or who just needs to know that whatever challenge or struggle they're facing, it can be all right. that is, that's a once in a

lifetime experience. >> rose: was there something you did well before this. >> actually, it was, yes. and it's something that i never thought as a kid was something i could do. >> rose: when did you find out, before this, in the height. >> yes. i was about 17. i was about 17 when i signed with my first agent and i was still green in naive at 17. i didn't know what that meant. i thought that happened to every actor so i graduated high school. i had an agent, i was out and i was auditioning professionally. and i knew whatever was in here as an artist was something i could make a career out of. then it became a question of training and the persistence and determination and finding the strength to keep on the journey.

>> rose: is there film in the future. >> i hope so. >> rose: i bet i know what role you like to play. >> we'll see. but certainly, yes. >> rose: why did hamilton feel the need to write about his experience affair. what was going on with him. >> i think that's the question i would ask him if i was able. >> rose: what were you thinking about. >> exactly, yes. i would love to know the psychology behind him. >> rose: do you think you were so cocky. your ability to write yourself out of anything. >> he definitely felt just like any actor has the thing they do best, right. i think he knew. get him out of anything. >> rose: i'll explain it and they'll understand. >> exactly. that's how i play it in fact.

that's my answer. when i'm receiving the reactions and it's not how i wanted it to go, that's a shock, right because i wrote it. why didn't anyone get it. >> rose: exactly. if i didn't think you could get it i wouldn't have written it. >> yes. it's right there, i wrote it. >> rose: almost saying i believe in you as much as i believe in myself. >> yes. >> rose: your capacity to understand if i just simply write it down for you. >> exactly. the confidence it would be received and understood. >> rose: the other thing i can't believe about it. these are easy things is with his son first of all. those coincidences. >> the lesson. >> rose: that's what happened. >> yes, right. i sort of, i think that's probably the thing that stays the freshest in the performance. every night. i haven't quite wrapped my brain

around that choice because of what happened to philip. and so every night, it really is a fresh discovery as to why i'm going to raise the gun and not shoot. and it's quite, it's fascinate, as an actor, it's quite a fascinating universe of choices. and then just as the individual looking at history, it's another psychological mystery to i wish i asked what were you this is in -- thinking in that moment. >> rose: and to be the chief writer. >> it's remarkable what he accomplished. >> rose: what he was in history. no one's had -- and all he wanted was his shot. >> that's what drove him. >> rose: it's remarkable. >> yes. >> rose: thank you. great to have you here. >> thank you. >> rose: i can't wait to see you in the performance.

i'm really looking forward to it. >> thank you. >> rose: back in a moment. stay with us. >> rose: war dogs is a new film from writer director todd phillips, jonah hill tells a story two young men enter a world of international arms trade during the iraq and afghanistan wars. here's the trailer for the film. >> hello. >> hey. >> hey baby. i'm at the hotel just about to have some breakfast. >> listen, why are you doing this. you need to know you can tell me anything, david, david. >> i've got to call you right back. >> is everything okay. >> yes, everything's fine. hey. look. my name is david i'm 22 years

old and i'm an international -- months ago i was in a -- and now here i am with my best friend in junior high. >> i wish you were with me. >> this is not about being pro war, this is about being pro money. >> are there 22 something young men landed a $300 million pentagon contract. >> i told you we were telling other stuff too. >> i thought you meant pillows. >> america. >> a hundred million rounds, ak-47 ammo. you can fill the full order. >> you're on a terrorist watch

list. >> you're from homeland security. relax bro. the u.s. government can't do business. >> we're on the verge of making $300 million. is that legal. >> it's not illegal. >> i'm not a bad man. in cerin situations only bad men do it. >> is this safe. >> plenty safe. >> 50/50. >> this is why we drive through the night, it's much safer. >> how much safer. >> 50/50. >> rose: where did this story come from. >> well, i first read about this story, it was a rolling stone article called arms and the dudes. i read the article and it was just was one of those moments

where you go whoa, this really feels like a movie, feels like it could be a movie in that pantheon of truth is stranger than fiction kind of thing. often times though you'll read an article and you'll start to do a little investigation kind of unmac it -- unpack it and you think do you know what this is better as a article. it started getting more involved and weirder. >> rose: the more you learned the more you wanted to do it. >> just, basically. we were writing and doing our own research about it. >> rose: what did you think about him. >> well i mean jonah knows this. we literally voted for jonah. i went to jonah really early. >> rose: why did you really write it for him. >> you know to me this is a very electric actor. jonah when you see him on screen there's something about jonah that he has this electricity. you heard me say this but there's -- >> please feel free.

>> rose: this is how a movie gets started, you have someone in mind. >> 2008 we came to him to be in the hangover and he didn't want to do it, i get it. >> it didn't work out. >> rose: did it make any money. >> it did all right. >> no, but he's somebody i just, he's one of these guys, he's one of these guys that when you just see him, he just vibrates off the screen. i don't even know what it is but you look at him on wall street and he takes martin scorsese and almost single handedly changes the tone to be this comedic slash f-stop movie. he brings something. >> rose: and moneyball. >> moneyball i think is his best performance always. it's also one of the movies of all times. >> i almost feel like i'm watching tv right now. i'm watching you guys on the show. i do appreciate it, man.

>> we wrote it for jonah. we went to jonah. jonah wasn't sure he want to do it. >> rose: you weren't sure. >> i tell you when it first got presented to me, it was right as wolf of wall street was maybe about to come out or coming out. it was just coming out, and so my concern was that i had just played a kind of a scumbag character that had this really slimy kind of guy. and i was worried they might be too similar in some way. and what happened was todd and you know his co-writers had done so many, so much work on the script and he was so tenacious about me doing it that it became owe infectious and every draft got better and better. he said to me just read this last draft. you have to just read it. just do me a favor and read it and i read it and he was doing

such great work and he wanted this so bad. that's what you look for, someone who is that passionate and wants it. >> rose: who is ephram. >> ephram is a guy. >> rose: tell me who he is. >> ephram is a very reptilian figure. >> rose: reptilian. >> yes, in movement and in ability to sort of chameleon kind of guy. whatever person he needs to impress in the room, he can become the person that kim press that person, you know. and he doesn't really have a high moral compass, i don't think. but he is so tenacious that he's the kind of person you meet in life. you may not want to be best friends with but you walk away going wow that guy's going to be successful, whether i agree with how he become successful is one thing but that's where it will end up being. >> rose: how does he pull it

off. >> manipulation, intelligence. >> rose: the ability to persuade. >> yes, yes. >> rose: appear to be what he is not. >> the ability of manipulation and fierce intelligence can be very dangerous. >> and confidence. the ultimate confidence that i think jonah really portrayed him really well in this film. >> rose: you got to have confidence to do that. >> you got to have confidence and you got to have swagger. >> rose: confidence, swagger and a little bit of insanity. >> probably true. >> rose: if you know what you were going to get into you wouldn't get into it. >> and a little fake -- >> rose: missing here is your co-star. >> yes, fantastic actor. did you see whiplash. you have to talk to this guy about how he arrives with miles. >> rose: how did you arrive with miles. >> he was a young actor, i produced a little move called project x which you probably have seen and mile was in it and we were talking about working together on something. i said i have this project again it's in the early writing stages.

miles came out in whiplash, it was fantastic. put these two guys in the room together i think and we just started talking about the project. he talked about the right guy. he wanted to be here but ... >> rose: where did you film this. >> we filmed in jordan, morocco, romania, miami, las vegas, one of these six country kind of movies bopping all over the place. >> rose: because of all of those locations. >> it's a tough movie for a lot of reasons but the locations when you're traveling with a crew it's sort of like a traveling circus, there's lot of countries. you don't have a lot of prep time. it was a little bit of bear. >> rose: the real many ephram did not want to meet with you or you never asked to meet with him. >> i put a handful in real people out at this point. whenever the person doesn't want me to play them and wants no involvement in the film, it

turns out good. and if they want me to play them, then it turns out not very good. so i took it as a good sign. both moneyball and wolf of wall street are a good example. >> rose: the character was based on their life in part. >> had some objection to me playing them. >> rose: why would that be. be part --ction they don't want >> i think honestly, i think it has to do with me. i think in the other cases it was interesting who is playing the other guy, leonardo dicaprio, brad pitt. who is playing me, jonah hill. okay i'm not going to be involved. i think in this case specifically he probably want to make, i think he want to make his own version of the film of his life protraying sort of like scarface or the god father. >> rose: when you came to talk about would have of wall street -- wolf of wall street and you two became friends and

all of that. >> the different actors you work with have different perspectives on spending time with the real person. i always choose to do so but it's not necessary, you know. and miles' character david was involved and we got to hang out with him. i kind of like hearing what he had to say about ephram. >> rose: didn't they split up, ephram and david. >> yes, they do split up. part of the movie is about that kind of collapse of their partnership and friendship. >> today they are still involved in the lawsuit against each other. >> rose: that's what i thought. >> david is suing ephram to this day. ephram ended up going to jail and serving four years for what happens in the movie. he's now out and david is still sort of pursuing his lawsuit again with him. but i should also say, you take the seed of a character and what you know about a character whether you met them or not and then a guy like jonah and miles they had their own thing. >> rose: how did you figure that out. >> there was just something missing. like when you feel like you're almost there but there's just a component missing and then you

start looking around for the smaller stuff. i started thinking about people you don't know very well but that leave an impression. and i always remember someone with really interesting laugh. and then so then it became a balance of interesting memorable idiosyncratic laugh that isn't too annoying. and that talks to you about the the laugh. >> rose: what about bradley. >> he plays an amalgamation of two characters we had to combine into one. this kind of legendary arms dealer that they know of in their foray into arms into the arms business. >> rose: they know about him. >> they know about him. he's the guy but they never met him until in the movie they get a chance to meet him and they end up partnering with him and his character ends up screwing over bradley's character, but you know. so bradley really represents that. >> he's that kind of character.

>> rose: how do you get bradley cooper. >> we're actually partners, producing partners. we have a small company at warner brothers called joint effort. and this was going to be made under our banner and so he's a producer on the movie anyway. so i said hey do you know what it wpbt kill you to maybe show up for five days with henry. it didn't really take that much convincing. he was down, he loves jonah. he never had worked with miles but he was excited. >> rose: this is what you need, you need your own little production company on the warner brothers plot. >> he can have it. it's a life. >> i want to be a director. i want to direct my first film this year. i can only work on one thing at a time. i'm not good at splitting my focus on to a lot of projects. these guys are amazing. and todd's, you know, todd should say also i did want to work with todd that whole time. i feel like i didn't -- i'm like the kid who didn't work on the script enough. i want to work with todd for a

long time. he does have the ability to sort of, he's one of the last directors i think that can make a movie like this at a studio in this scale. >> rose: right. >> you know, meaning that if you're not making a super hero move or you're not making an indy movie, you're kind of out of the game basically. and i think todd has the voice and the success to kind of make a real true story that's a drama and a comedy at a studio that looks like a big film. >> rose: what's interesting is two things. this is more drama than comedy is it not. >> yeah. it's a tricky movie. >> rose: and more drama than comedy for you. >> absolutely, yes. for me it was a progression in a way. >> rose: evolution or whatever. >> evolution. the trickiest part of the movie i think is the tone which is what the director does is the purveyor of tone and the tone of this movie like you said there's comedy but there's also drama. >> rose: it seems to me and what do i know.

he has the ability -- >> you seem to know. >> stop fishing, charlie. >> rose: but it seems to me that's what he has, the ability to go either way, drama or comedy. and bradley has that too. >> bradley of course has that. >> bradley's amazing. >> that was another reason why i really wanted to get jonah for this film because i think he just, having in him he kind of defines that tone in a really sort of simple way and a clear way. >> thank you. >> rose: when do you direct the film. >> we start mid february and i start prepping for this. >> rose: you start prepping for this. do you want to tell us anything about it or do you want to talk about it. >> i want to tell you about. it's called mid 90's, it's the most boring pitch involving the skateboarding world in l.a. in the late 90's. scott rudden is producing it. he's a legend. >> rose: you just said the

magic word. >> he's my producer which is incredible and a24 is a releasing film company right now. it's just an emotional coming of age film for my first. >> rose: will you be in the film. >> i will not, no. >> rose: which is interesting isn't. >> i think it's a big mistake. >> rose: thank you for coming. >> thank you. >> chalk charlie. >> rose: thank you for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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