>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, the expanding investigation into hacking against the democratic party. donald trump's commander in chief problem. and meryl streep, hugh grant, and simon helled berg headline the story of an unlikely opera star. >> this is the talented young man i was telling you. >> let's get started. ♪ ♪ >> she's remarkable, isn't she? >> she can be a little flat. >> flat? >> it deifies medical science. >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by:

>> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? >> you listen to them. >> rose: is it luck at all or is it something else? >> like bing, bing, bing, bing. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> still growing as a musician. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. this was week donald trump's campaign rhetoric caught the attention of the secret service. still more e-mails created fresh problem for hillary clinton, and at age 31, michael phelps became the oldest swimmer to ever win an olympic gold medal. here are the sights and sounds of the. >> if he get to pick the judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is. i don't know. >> rose: donald trump touches off a new controversy. >> words matter, my friends.

and if you are running to be president, word can have tremendous consequences. >> rose: japan's emperor hint at abdication. >> he wants the emperor to be able to fully serve the people and wonders if in his advancing age he would be capable of doing that. >> at least four people have been killed and more than 20 injured in a series of blasts in thailand. >> police are saying it's an act of local sabotage. >> zika may be spreading north. the florida health department is investigating what could be the first case in palm beach county. >> rose: americans gather gold in rio. >> simone manuel is the first african american woman to win an individual olympic medal for swimming. >> getting on the medal stand means so much for her, i know for so many reasons, but i can't begin to tell you what this means for the sport of swimming in the united states. >> went for the catch. oh! a face full of nachos and cheese. a classic.

♪ bye, bye, bye >> alex rodriguez calling it quits ♪ dust in the wind >> the gigantic dust cloud bears down on the phoenix area, part of a monsoon triggered by the reminance of tropical storm javier. >> lines and crowds are continuing to grow. this is an issue affecting delta passengers across the globe. >> it appears to be preventing passengers from being able on check in and flight from being able to take off. >> rose: we begin this week at the intersection of domestic politics and foreign espionage. a suspected russian hacking against the democratic party is reported by the "new york times" to be much bigger than originally believed and may have compromised the e-mails of more than 100 party officials and politicians. for more, we turn to our panel. >> i don't think there's any doubt that the russians are

behind it, given publicly revealed information and the reporting that we see that most u.s. intelligence believes it is, with a high degree of confidence, that the russians are behind it. i think the big question still is was it primarily espionage or did they fact intend to insert themselves into the election or did they make that decision after they were caught? did they decide to dump the do you means and make the best of a bad situation? >> rose: has there been any real breach of highly sensitive, classified information? >> not with the d.n.c. hack, as far as i know. >> rose: mierk the question i'm intrigued by is how far might it go in fact we've seen-- have we seen the tip of the iceberg or should we expect there's much more? >> oh, no, i think i would expect there's much more. the russians have been running these kinds of operations in europe for a couple of years. they have done it in ukraine. they've done it in eastern europe. they hacked a television station in paris and claimed to be the islamic state. where they seem to have changed

tactics here or upped the game, so to speak, is they decided to intervene in a very contentious election in the u.s. and i think there's no doubt they have a lot of information with which to do that. so far, the attacks that have come out, the victims that have come out, are part of a small subset of a much larger set of people who were at least targeted, and they crossed a whole bunch of categories. there are lawyers. there are lobbyists, there are foundations. they basically go into every corner of the washington power structure, and the question is two things. one, how much have they already given to wikileaks or to other people to release? do they plan to do this all way up to the election? and is there any response the u.s. can make that might curtail this or change the calculations the russians are making. >> rose: the the question often comes up with respect to hillary clinton's server. do we assume that if in fact the people who did these other hackings wanted to hack hillary clinton's server, they could?

or was her service so secure it would have been much more difficult to penetrate? david? >> it's a question beef been asking a lot about, and what we've heard from the f.b.i. director so far is he said that there was no direct evidence that anybody had gotten inside hillary clinton's server, but then he went on to say that the actors, state-run actors are usually so good, that they might not leave any evidence. now, that raises the obvious question if they're so good, why was it so easy in the case of the d.n.c. hack? and the answer to that may well be there was more than one hacker inside the d.n.c. in fact, in cyber, it's not uncommon, once somebody gets caught for them to leave the door open quite deliberately to other hackers so that the crime scene gets polluted. so there are all those different elements. and it may be a long time, and we may never figure out whether or not her server was hacked.

>> rose: mike morell is a former acting director and deputy director of the c.i.a. now he has joined a growing number of voices from within the national security establishment and is calling for the defeat of donald trump. morell has gone even further. in a "new york times" article he has publicly endorsed hillary clinton. >> two things i think brought me to the decision to write the op-ed. one was a growing belief that donald trump, mr. trump-- i don't want to be disrespectful here-- that mr. trump would be a threat to our national security as commander in chief. he has said things on the campaign trail that have assisted our adversaries. and then the second was i've

known hillary clinton a long time. and i felt that the perceptions that-- some of the perceptions that are out there about her are just not true. and so putting both of those reasons together, i decided to speak out. and i just didn't want to sit on the couch and hope for the best to happen, right. i actually felt a responsibility to my country to speak out, a responsibility to the national security of my country to speak out. >> rose: okay, that raises two questions. number one, you have endorsed her. will you be out working for her? you be becoming part of the national security team advising hillary clinton? >> yes. so i said in the op-ed that not only am i endorsing her but i will do whatever it takes to ensure that she wins and he loses. so i will be open to anything that the the campaign asks me to do. >> rose: the other question that often comes up is, is there

ambition here? are you looking for a job in the clinton administration? >> um, you know, you know i love my time in government. absolutely loved my time in government. i've been out for three years. i've loved my time outside of government. my focus right now is totally, totally getting her elected, and not getting him elected. you know, what job may come of this, what job may not come of this because either the secretary chooses not to or i choose not to or more importantly my wife chooses not to, that is so far down the road that i'm not focused on that at all. >> rose: what is it about donald trump that's most specifically disqualifies him to be president, in your eyes? >> you know, here's the list in my mind, right. and then i'll get to what i think is absolutely the key issue. his ego is larger than any i have ever seen before.

others in the world will use that against him, right? so that ego becomes dangerous. he makes decisions not based on his intellect. he makes decisions based on his intuition. and he is careless with the facts. and even when the facts are shown to be corrected, right, he doesn't correct them. he continues with the old facts. that's dangerous for a policymaker. i've talked to people who know him, right. >> rose: people who advise him or simply because they've had-- >> people who have known him for a long period of time. >> rose: and they do noct to noo allay your fears. >> no, they say two of his biggest concerns is his narcissism, and the constant need to feed it. and two, he doesn't listen. he doesn't listen to anybody. and that "don't listen to anybody" scares the heck out of

me. >> rose: "new york times" columnist david brooks was one of the many journalists who missed the early appeal of donald trump. so david went on the road to find out who was supporting him and why. >> donald trump has given me a reason to live. ( laughter ) you know-- dovetailing away from politics for a few years, but then he brings it right back. so i spent the first part of this year writing six million columns on why he would not get the republican nomination. i decided he will be inaugurated coming down pennsylvania avenue, i'll be writing columns, "don't worry. this will not happen." so then last four, five months, really out in america trying to figure out why i got it wrong. >> rose: and what did you figure out? >> there's a lot of dislocation. there's a lot of loss of

dignity-- there's a the lot of opiate use. we don't feel it but it's out there. >> rose: so much opiate use to relieve the pain of economic discontent, broken families. >> everything is indivisible. there's a lot of economic loss, but it's indivisible from a loss of pride. it used to be very possible to say, "i may not be the richest guy on aircraft but i may not be the most famous person on aircraft but i have dignity. i can do my job. glvment i'm a good father. >> and a lot of people have lost that dignity code. and that becomes a crisis of status and self-worth, and then there's a sense that everyone's giving me the shaft. my employer gave me the shaft. i was in a job training program, they gave me the shaft. there's just no trust, no trust. so the the idea of living a life of just gradually working your way through and being a respectable member of society, that ethos has gone away. so we've got this crisis of status, which is mixed in with economics, which is mixed with family breakdown, and really

just a loss of social solidarity, and just so many people falling through the cracks. >> rose: so if you're feeling all of that and all of that is happening to you, you're looking for what? >> first of all, you're looking for a sense of tribal identity. and so a lot of what's happening is a lot of people, with this atmosphere of distrust, this atmosphere of crisis of solidarity, they're pulling? >> rose: and they want to be with ther own? >> their suspicion is the outsiders not playing pie the rules. and we're saying within this community, donald trump voters are making more than $70,000 people a year. they're the the richer people in poor places. a lot are saying i became an acountant, i paid my mortgage. these people didn't do that and we're paying their benefits and i'm going to find somebody who will fix that problem. the responsible people are not getting rewarded. they're getting the the shaft and everyone else is getting the benefit. at least that's their

perception. >> rose: turning to news overseas, fighting continues between government forces and rebels in and around the besieged city of aleppo, syria, this despite a series of cease fires designed to let humanitarian aid reach the area. as many as two million residents are trapped without adequate supplies of food, water, or medicine. clarisa ward is a foreign correspondent for cnn. on monday, she testified before the the u.n. about conditions on the ground. >> the situation is dire, charlie, and, you know, one of the things i mentioned in my speech is that i first went to aleppo in 2012, and i thought to myself this is what hell is like. life can't get worse than this. the relentless artillery day in, day out. the lack of power. the planes that would start at 5:00 in the morning buzzing overhead and you don't know where they're going to drop their payload and you have this pit in your stomach just waiting to see where that bomb is going

to fall. today, the situation in aleppo is even worse than that because for the better part of a month, you've had a full siege. it does appear that rebs over the weekend managed to break through that siege, but the fighting is still so intense that there is very little humanitarian aid being brought in and out, in that small area that they have managed to lift siege. so you're looking at a situation in eastern aleppo, specifically, where as many as 300,000 people are trapped with limited food. as you heard from the u.n. now, there has been damage to the water infrastructure, to the electricity infrastructure. so very little drinking water, almost no electricity. and because the rebels have made some progress in breaking this siege, you're now seeing the full force of the russian and regime airpower being brought to bear in retaliation. so from people that i have spoken to on the the ground, the situation is quite unbearable right now. >> rose: okay, so you're

talking about the russian support from the air. are they doing anything else to help the syrian army? >> well, almost certainly they're involved in providing various logistics, various help with intelligence, and what was interesting after my speech at the u.n. when i had gone through the various human right, the bombings of bakeries and schools and course houses and hospitals, one thing that the russian representative really seemed to take umbrage with was my use of the word "intervention." when it came to his turn to give a speech, the only thing he really seized upon-- or i should say the primary thing he seized about is why do you use this word "intervention?" this is not an illegal presence we have in syria. we're there at the invitation of the government, of the country. and i just found it so interesting that in the midst of all the things that we're

talking about, this came down to him, for a question-- to a question of semantics. >> rose: so what's going to happen? >> there are no winners in aleppo. but at the moment, whenever you have a situation where each side thinks that they just have enough of an advantage, or they just have enough momentum going, that they can win a decisive military victory, then you take away all incentive, essentially, to bring both sides to the negotiating table. ♪ i don't know why but i'm like the wind and i just keep blowing free ♪ must be gypsy in me >> rose: "jips neme" is the hit single from bonnie raitt's latest album "dig in deep." the album is the grammy-winning musicians 20th, and her first in four years. >> coming up with an album after album of songs, you know, when you find a great song-- i don't

write my own stuff that much but but when i fiend a song that really suits me and fit me and i have a good arrangement in my head and i work with my great band, it's the finding and coming up with the record that is the hard part i do. the promotion is not my favorite part but it's important to get the word out. the touring part is where the payoff is. i hope i have deepened as a person and it's reflected with my choices and a lot of the choices are not wanting to repeats myself with something i have already done. i want to keep layering and i want to keep stretching. i called my last record "slip stream" because i'm not reinventing the wheel. all of us do music-- you know, there are not that many new songs out there. just when you think there's nobody else new that comes up, you the get the alabama shakes or somebody that will blow your mind with somebody competely new. i like to keep my ears open and

keep stretching. i like to think i'm still growing as a musician. i hope so. >> rose: you did say once your music is not for sissy. >> that sounds like a dated word, doesn't it? it could be politically incorrect, as well. the topics that i choose in my ballads, that's what soul music is for me, whether it's country muc or r&b, when you pick a great ballad that turns rock over and you're looking at all this stuff you don't want to look at, that's the reason to sing that song. you want to reach people on a deeper level. and that's what i meant. it's mott just skipping a stone across the surface of the water. and then "digging deep" you know, those groofs. when you love r&b and rock 'n' roll as much asy do, and you get that groove going, it's like digging a big trench and just sitting in it. it's fantastic. >> rose: there is a price to pay, yo, you know. to have it all.

>> for being on the road? >> rose: for being committed to work the way you are. >> well, running a record company with a great team and being the captain of your own ship and producing yourself, that kind of stuff can be taxing. but, you know, ultimately, since the beginning, i mean, i have to answer for every single note on the record and every mix and every choice of song. ♪ pearls of wisdom coming in waves ♪ everything i wear and every interview that i do. you know, i like to have an understanding between me and whoever is talking to me that it's going to reach a certain level. so there's a price it to pay per being in control, which means i don't get to have delegate and spend my time thinking about my next songs. >> rose: i like some of these, "need you tonight." >> that inxs song. pretty sexy. nice to know you don't have to hang up your spurs because you're getting on.

right, charlie? >> rose: that's what they say. >> rose: florence foster jenkins is a new film from stephen freezer. meryl streep stars as a new york heiress and new york socialite whose terrible singing voice does not stop her from becoming a singer. >> when she said, "music is my life," i think that was partly true, and partly she was animated by her love for bayfield and his support in letting her follow her dreams and try her best to compress herself. i mean, most lives are curtailed. she had plenty of money, and plenty of support to make a fool of herself, and also do --

>> so this is a guy who, married to her, has a mistress. has a relationship. does he love her? or is it simply opportunity? >> well, you are allowed to wonder. >> rose:s that's the the question. >> yes. and i'm glad you brought it up. because that's what we sort of want the audience to ask themselves, at least for a part of the film. >> rose: right. >> and then we want them to gradually learn truth, which was indeed the truth that we now know empirically because we researched the characters. i read his diaries. i read his letters. these two genuinely adored each other in this long 35-year marriage that wasn't quite a marriage because they never actually remembered to get married. but there was massive love, albeit that it was a relationship with a very unorthodox-- very modern kind of shape. yes. >> rose: they understood each other's-- >> well, again, i-- my character

makes that argument to simon's character during the film. he feendz out that i have this mistress, and i say, "oh, you don't know, really "-- >> simon is her accompanist. >> yes, he plays the piano for her and he's shocked to find what he thought was a happy marriage, that i have a mistress. and i explained, "no, we have an understanding. florence has an understanding." really it's more me convincing myself than the actual truth. >> i have an understanding that i'm not going to understand it, that i'm not going to ♪ la-la-la-la to think about it. >> rose: was it hard to learn to thing is? >> it was difficult to learn these extremely challenging arias, some of the most challenging arias -- >> but they're challenging to sing well. you had to learn to sing them padly. >> yeah. but not at first. first i had to learn them, and to learn them right. and it was really hard. ( laughter )

and then, you know, we-- we were singing and simon was playing live in the film, and so we were allowed to play with where we went off, and where we failed. >> rose: what is your character's role in this? >> stephen? i don't know -- >> didn't you get around to telling him what his character's role was? >> i thought he knew. >> there's a book right there. i have to read that. my character's role is, well, is the accompanist, but functions as -- >> a kind of consciousness? >> yeah, the eyes of the audience, in a way, i think. that's why my eyes are so prominantly featured bulging out of my head. yeah, this unwitting sort of pure little wisp of a man that warneds in to what he thinks is his dream job, and florence opens her mouth, and birds fall

out of the sky, and he's looking around for help, and nobody seems to understand what the the problem is. >> rose: here is a look at the week ahead. sunday is the the day the american men's olympic basketball team takes on france. monday is the 71st anniversary of japan's surrender in world war ii. tuesday is the opening day of the vermont state fair in rutland. wednesday is the first day of the annual world science fiction convention in kansas city, missouri. thursday sactor robert redford's 80th birthday. friday is former president bill clinton's 70th birthday. and saturday is the final day of track and field events at the rio olympics. and here is what's new for your weekend. barbara streisand performed is at new york's barkley center ♪ but i feel when he's in my

arms he's where he wants to be ♪ >> rose: the sundance next fest summer festival runs all weekend in los angeles. and florence fochter jenkinss opens nationwide on friday. >> this is what we live for, isn't it? this moment. >> it's doing very, very, very well. >> bravo! >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. on behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we'll see you next time. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by:

>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with scott anderson whose article in this weekend's "new york times" magazine is called "fractured lands: how the arab world came apart." >> what you had throughout the middle east was for decades, really going back in some ways to world war i, this is the colonial wars drawn after world war i, you had an entire region that really existed in a political stagnation, a real stasis. what you had in one country after another were long-term dictators. muammar gadhafi was in power 42 years. i think it's very hard to say what triggered the arab spring but certainly huge influence was the american invasion of iraq in 2003. that represented a scrambling to have the chess