captioning sponsored by wnet >> sreenivasan: on this edition for sunday, september 25th: great expectations for hillary clinton and donald trump on the eve of their first presidential debate. reactions to the police video of the shooting death of keith scott in charlotte, north carolina. and in our signature segment, the c.e.o. who slashed his salary and guaranteed a $70,000 a year minimum wage to his employees. >> and so therefore a business is really missing its potential, if it sees its purpose as creating money. >> sreenivasan: next on "pbs newshour weekend." >> pbs newshour weekend is made possible by: bernard and irene schwartz. judy and josh weston. the cheryl and philip milstein family. the john and helen glessner family trust.

supporting trustworthy journalism that informs and inspires. sue and edgar wachenheim, iii. barbara hope zuckerberg. corporate funding is provided by mutual of america-- designing customized individual and group retirement products. that's why we are your retirement company. additional support has been provided by: and by the corporation for public broadcasting, and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. from the tisch wnet studios at lincoln center in new york, hari sreenivasan. this is pbs newshour weekend. >> sreenivasan: good evening and thanks for joining us. hillary clinton and donald trump are preparing for a super-bowl- sized audience in their first one on one debate since becoming the major party nominees for president of the united states. the tv audience for tomorrow night's showdown at hofstra university on new york's long island is expected to top 100 million, with the candidates focused on the small percentage of voters who have not made up

their minds. in an "abc news-washington pos"" poll of likely voters published today, clinton held a slight advantage over trump, 46% to 44%. clinton and trump have been hunkered down with advisers and briefing books, but both took time out today to meet separately with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, who was in new york for the united nations general assembly. both running mates today talked about what they expect in the debate. >> he's going to focus in this debate tomorrow night as he has throughout this election on the issues the american people care about. i think that's why you see the momentum in this campaign. >> i think the great virtue of these debates is you get 90 minutes to look at people and really see whether there's depth, whether there's substance, and whether there's candor and truthfulness in what they say." >> sreenivasan: joining me now from santa barbara, california, to talk about what the first presidential debate is "newshour weekend" special correspondent jeff greenfield. i'm hearing super bowlesque

number potentials for the audience that might be watching this. do most of us wait for the the one liners, the moments, the verbal and nonverbal communications or are we actually paying attention the whole 90 minutes or two hours, or whatever it is? >> certainly not just the audience but the army of journalists waited for those moments. if you ask a journalist to recite the hess tree of de-- debate, nixon looked shallow. reagan said there you go again. du kakis didn't seem it care if his wife was raped and murder. george h-w bush looked at his watch. that is what always makes the next day's stories. but i think that often it's the entire 90 minutes that viewers take away, if you think about the obama-romney debate four years ago t wasn't any one moment that caused people to say romney had won, it was the overall difference between what seemed to be a kind of defensive, sometimes pet you lent obama and very assured in

command romney. so that is what i think you need to pay as much attention to as those moments. >> sreenivasan: what about that level of expectation when romney looked presidential and perhaps the expectation for donald trump is can he look presidential, can he contain himself for this period of time, is that a different level of expectation we have for him than say hillary clinton who has had such a long career in public service? >> first of all, i'm developing an app which will deliver a nonlethal but painful shock to any analyst that says they have to appear presidential. you know, i always suggest someone should put on 200 pounds to look like william howard taft. but more seriously, i think there is a danger of overstating the fact that donald trump is so out of the mainstream of candidates, you know, not only no public office but no civic engagement that he is going to be held to a quote lower standard. i think-- i understand the point, but i do think that 90

minutes one-on-one with one of these two people is going to be president of the united states, and i'm not sure that a one-liner or a dismissive answer t a question about the complexities of say, dealing with nato countries under attack is going to be enough for him. i think that if he after 90 minutes can't offer a could herent account of-- a coherent account of what he means, that is going to cost him. >> sreenivasan: you in a former life have also helped candidates prepare for these events. going into it, what would you tell both of these candidates today? >> well, i have to say, i do think that i would advise hillary clinton it would be a much tougher piece of advice because it is true that what trump is-- i'm sure is being told is provide an answer that suggests you are familiar with the topic, and also counter her experience, this is what i once called political ju do, take the

strength as a weakness. if you are so experienced, why did you vote for the war in iraq. how did we make such a hash of syria and libya. her challenge, i think, would be both to acknowledge it, and then say one of the key things you need to do is a president is to learn from your mistakes the way john kennedy learned after the bay of pigs not to put too much trust in the military during the cuban nuclear crisis. and ten thurn it. i think she might all dim donald, you don't have evidence of admitting a miss tack, that is i bad notion for being a president. in the case of advising hillary clinton, there needs to be this fine line between trying to prove that she's smarter than he is, which would not be the right way to go, and then take his lack of knowledge and explain why that matters. this isn't just a civics test. it is about governing as president. >> sreenivasan: how about the role of moderator. what should lester hold be doing tomorrow night. >> in terms of lester hold, it

is a very difficult position. i think jim lehrer was right who moderated many of these debates saying this isn't an interview, because are you moderatek a debate, what you need to do if you think that donald trump has stepped way over the line on factual matters which i think as a matter of fact he has, that to his opponent say what is your reaction to that secretary clinton. it is not his job to correct because then you wind up completely you know, unsettling the whole framework of the debate. >> sreenivasan: newshour special correspondent jeff greenfield joining us from santa barbara, thank you very much. >> pleasure you can watch every presidential debate since 1960 at www.watchthedebates.org. you'll also see how past general election candidates addressed issues like the economy, healthcare, and gun control. visit www.watchthedebates.org. >> sreenivasan: the attorney for the family of keith scott says police videos released last night prove scott was not acting aggressively when police shot him last week in the parking lot of his charlotte, north

carolina, apartment complex. police car dashboard camera video shows scott with his hands at his side, taking four steps backward, when he is shot. the officer who fired four shots at scott was not wearing a body camera, so his perspective is not seen in any video. charlotte police chief kerr putney concedes the dash-cam and body camera video from another officer on the scene do not offer proof that scott was armed. but chief putney says scott wa"" in possession" of this handgun, which, he says, has scott's fingerprints and d.n.a. on it. chief putney says he released the video in the interest of transparency. north carolina's state bureau of investigation has taken over the case. joining me now for some perspective on the police- involved shooting of keith scott in charlotte is carla shedd, an assistant professor of sociology and african-american studies at columbia university. she is also the author of unequal city: race, schools, and perceptions of injustice. last night a lot of people were waiting for some clarity saying okay, well, the police department would not have said that they will release

these things unless the video is on their side. but it wasn't con cluesive. >> i know. we keep asking people to release tapes. but you know that there is something else going on. and this lack of transparency, i think it's probably macking the public much more upset because he showed them a piece of it inselfed-- ksh instead of the full thing. it just muddees the issue even further and i know it makes more people upset. >> sreenivasan: what does it do to the fabric of the community when something like this happens and when there is essentially a heightened tension, especially around race. >> well, i've been studying what i call the-- continueium, the range of contacts that people had with the police from just being stopped and asked questions to being stopped and searched to perhaps a deadly encounter with the police. and the range says wow, my side of the story wasn't taken or the police record would not even reveal what happened from my

standpoint, we were only getting their standpoint. >> sreenivasan: are there any things at all working in framing how a community approaches police and getting resultsment because we saw very different outcomes in tulsa, oklahoma than we did in north carolina. >> well, i think measures of account ability, the victims of tulsa was they released-- the difference was they released the footage early in tulsa. they had a sense of here is more data about what was going on. if we have people who tallly have connections to police officers where they know them from the community, so it comes to having some stronger connections amongst the people and being seen as fully human and that one-to-one reach could, you know, scale up to a general perception of trust. but it's really hard to do that. and we have to work from both ends in changing in the only the culture of policing but the structure of inequality that would make it so that police are the first people that we call, and see, that i am recognized fully as a person.

>> if all of the video out there, does it make it more difficult for communities to engage in a conversation or does it first-- what does it do in that kind of larger context having these incredibly impassioned flairups occur? >> there are no definitive accounts. and i think having the video gives some sol as to people in saying this should be an objective record and often is not. but it means that we are really grasping for something to show that there might be a different side because people don't have great trust in what is the police record. and what is the sort of side of that-- the officers. so even with the advantage point of body cameras, this comes where you are seeing it from the police's van taj point. it's not from that other citizen's van taj point. and i think we can take that metaphor to mean how do we get the record of the people. how do we understand their accounts and what they go through. >> sreenivasan: carla shedd

from columbia university, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> sreenivasan: a 20-year-old man is expected to make his first court appearance tomorrow for allegedly killing five people in a mall in washington state friday night. police arrested arcan cetin last night about 24 hours after he allegedly opened fire inside a macy's store at cascade mall, near burlington, washington, a small town about 60 miles north of seattle. the shooting, carried out with a hunting rifle, began at 7 p.m. all of the victims had been at or near the macy's makeup counter. cetin, a permanent u.s. resident from turkey, was arrested, unarmed, walking on the street about 30 miles from the mall. at an emergency meeting of the united nations security council today, the u.n. special envoy to syria said renewed government airstrikes on the rebel-held half of aleppo, once syria's largest city, may amount to a war crime. the britain-based "syrian observatory for human rights" says more than 200 people have been killed by airstrikes in aleppo since a ceasefire brokered by the u.s. and russia fell apart last week. at the u.n., the foreign ministers of britain and france

blamed russia, which supports syrian president bashar assad, for prolonging the five-and- half-year-old civil war. a broad coalition of rebel groups today denounced international negotiations for peace in syria as "meaningless." u.s. ambassador to the u.n. samantha power said assad's actions in aleppo amounted to barbarism. india will ratify the landmark climate change accord agreed to in paris last december. prime minister narendra modi said today india will do so on october 2nd, because it is the anniversary of the birth of mahatma gandhi, considered the father of modern india and someone who famously lived with a low carbon footprint. india is the world's third-most prolific emitter of planet- warming carbon dioxide gas. its decision to implement the paris accord follows the announcement by president obama and president xi of china earlier this month, that the u.s. and china, the world's worst carbon emitters, will adopt the accord, too.

>> sreenivasan: the average chief executive officer in corporate america earns more than 300 times the pay of the average worker. that's just one of many statistics that points to the growing income inequality between the rich and the poor in the u.s. it has been on the rise since the 1970's and become an issue in this year's presidential campaign. last year, the relatively young c.e.o. of a privately-held company, who does not need to answer to public shareholders, decided to turn that compensation equation on its head. in tonight's signature segment"" newshour weekend" special correspondent john larson looks into why. portions this story aired previously on the public television program "religion and ethics newsweekly." this story is part of our series on poverty, jobs, and opportunity in america,"chasing the dream." >> gravity payments, this is korrine. >> reporter: about a year-and-a- half ago, life changed for the 100 employees of gravity payments in seattle when their boss, dan price, announced the company's minimum wage would jump to $70,000 a year.

>> effectively immediately, we are going to put a scaled policy into place, and we are going to have a minimum $70,000 pay rate for everyone that works here. >> reporter: the hikes would be phased in. a $50,000 a year minimum wage took effect immediately, and would rise to $60,000 by the end of 2016, and $70,000 in 2017. price said he'd help pay for the increases by slashing his own $1 million a year compensation by more than 90% to $70,000. >> i'm curious if anyone has any questions? >> reporter: stories of his announcement went viral. >> everyone is getting a raise at a seattle-based company. >> one boss just changed the lives of his employees. >> reporter: one of six kids, homeschooled in an evangelical family in idaho, price was a member of a local christian rock band until he was 16. and that's when, with assistance from his dad, he helped a local coffee house owner with her

credit card processing, the fees charged by banks and credit card companies each time her customers used a card. >> i was able to get her costs lowered, and it was a good experience for her. all of a sudden i had a reference. >> reporter: price parlayed that reference and a passion for helping small businesses into hundreds of clients and created his company. by his early 20s, he was getting rich, but growing increasingly troubled by what he called extreme income inequality in the united states. >> frankly, the reality was disturbing, but the trend was even more disturbing. >> reporter: according to the washington center for equitable growth, the average income of the nation's top 1% of families last year was about $1.4 million, while the average income of the bottom 99% of families was $49,000 a year. >> when you create a society that has so much inequality, where the rich and the poor have a divide that is hundreds of times over. to me the way we were going

everybody was going to be hurt. >> reporter: all this was happening at a time when the cost of living here in seattle was skyrocketing. the cost of housing, especially rent, was going up so fast that many medium and lower income families couldn't afford it. two years ago, seattle voters approved gradually raising the local minimum wage from $10 to $15 an hour, the first major american city to do so. a study published in july by the university of washington found the city's lowest-paid workers experienced a significant increase in wages. which is precisely the effect price wanted for his staff, and then some. >> gravity payments, this is alyssa. >> reporter: alyssa o'neal, a single mom, used to make $21,000 a year before coming to gravity payments. now she makes almost $60,000 as a customer support representative. she's paid off her car loan, credit card debt, and moved into a better home. >> it's something i never could have imagined.

>> let me see if i can find that for you. >> reporter: korinne ward, in customer support, used to have a long commute. now she can afford to live close and i'm able to afford the cost of living in seattle, which is incredible. >> reporter: many employees told me they now feel secure enough financially to start families. >> he's due on october 12, and he's a male, a boy, yes! >> reporter: typically the company had one or two employee pregnancies each year, now? seven or eight. >> our daughter, laylee rose, she's 11 weeks old today. >> reporter: some proclaimed price "the best boss in america," but in protest of the minimum wage policy, some higher paid employees quit, and a few clients dropped the company's service. conservative talk show host rush limbaugh predicted price's downfall. >> this is pure, unadulterated socialism, which has never worked. that's why i hope this company

is a case study in m.b.a. programs on how socialism doesn't work, because it's going to fail. >> reporter: turns out, harvard business school did study price for class discussion. it found the $70,000 minimum wage announcement generated not only a flood of job applicants, but many new clients. and, as for limbaugh's prediction about price's company? >> he still has to hold his breath, because it hasn't failed, i think on balance it's prospered. >> reporter: in fact, gravity payments now reports company revenue has grown by 75%, and its number of new clients has risen 67%. >> some of their success might be attributed to increased productivity on the part of the workers, who feel respected and understand they are going to have a hard time finding another job that pays so well, but it also has generated a lot of publicity, and that has been good in terms of pulling in business. >> mangoes, peaches, nectarines,

cherries, yes, ma'am? >> reporter: clients like sosios produce in seattle's pike place market predict as long as gravity payments offers good service and low cost, clients won't care about their high minimum wage. >> to me, if they're running their business in a way that their staff feel better about being part of the company, work harder with their customers, to me as a vendor, that's a good thing. >> reporter: and if you get a sense that these higher wages somehow raise your bill? >> then we'll have a conversation. >> well, there was a colleague of mine years ago who taught that our mission at the harvard business school ought to be to teach people to make a decent profit decently. there are lots of forces in the world that may overpower that or may make it difficult, but it's nice to see these examples of people who can swim against that tide. >> reporter: which may be one reason why price's employees agreed to buy him a gift. >> we had tried to think of a way that we could thank dan for what he's done for us. >> reporter: a little payback?

>> a little payback, yeah. >> reporter: customer support representative alyssa o'neal got the idea rolling. >> we have one more gift for you. it's outside though. >> reporter: she convinced the other employees to all chip in and in july they bought him a are you kidding me?most >> when it happened, it was like it was meant to be. >> oh my gosh! >> i was really surprised by his reaction. >> thank you! >> he said, ¡i don't want to even see the car, i want to see you guys.' and he turned around and hugged everybody and made sure he hugged everybody first before getting in the car and touching it. >> reporter: so you had sort of a crush on this car for a long time and never thought you'd have one? >> i thought i'd have one one day, but you ever have one of those goals where you say it's three years or two years, but it never becomes one year, it's always three years? and three years goes by, and it's still three years? it was kind of one of those deals.

>> reporter: since his promise of a $70,000 a year minimum wage, higher profile companies like starbucks and wal-mart have raised their minimum wage too, though none nearly as much. if there is an ethic, what is it? >> i think it's ¡what's your purpose? and business is really missing its potential, if it sees its purpose as creating money. it should have some larger purpose. i think it's a recipe for a better life and more success in business. >> reporter: price says for now he wants to live modestly, grow his company for his clients and employees and see to what degree other companies follow suit. >> the truth is i'm still trying to figure all this out. >> reporter: and, we are sitting inside a tesla >> and we are sitting inside a tesla, and i'm doing my best to try to deconstruct what i think here as a 32-year-old guy who has a lot more to learn.

this is pbs newshour weekend sunday. within the next year, the federal aviation administration expects 600,000 drones to be used commercially in the united states. globally, the commercial drone market is predicted to reach 127 billion dollars by 2020. however, not all of the drones in the sky are supposed to be there, as "newshour weekend's" christopher booker explains. >> reporter: police in the netherlands are taking a unique approach toward unwanted and potentially unsafe drones. they are the first in the world to use birds to hunt and catch drones that are being used illegally. these eagles are trained to see the drones as prey. using their hunting instinct, they intercept the device mid- air, and carry it to a safe landing place. they are rewarded with a piece of meat after each successful capture.

the eagles successfully brought down the drones 80% of the time. now they will begin deploying eagles to capture drones that pose a potential danger, including when they fly in restricted air space, too close to airports, or during visits from dignitaries. >> reporter: the dutch police say that none of the birds were harmed during the testing, but they continue to monitor any possible impact on the talons of the eagles. and they are commissioning special claw protectors that will help further prevent injuries to the eagles when they intercept larger drones. >> up until now, our only option has been to try to find the drone operator, the pilot, but it can be very hard to find that person. it can take a long time and that's why you want to have the ability to capture the device yourself. about 100 officers across the country will be trained to use the birds. for now, these drone hunters are being provided and trained by a private company. but the dutch police are committed to the plan and have even begun to raise their own sea eagle chicks. they expect to have their own flying squad trained and hunting drones by next summer.

>> sreenivasan: finally major league baseball is mourning the death of miami marlins all-star pitcher jose fernandez, he died earl-- earlier this morning when the fishing he was riding in crashed at a high rate of speed into a jetty. he was the national league rook of the-- rookie of the year in 2013. tomorrow on the newshour special live coverage of the first clinton and trump debate. that's all for this edition of pbs newshour weekend. i'm hari sreenivasan, have a good night. captioning sponsored by wnet captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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