>> rose: welcome to program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, the republican party splits over its nominee. justice ruth bader gens burg on the supreme court. and the signature sound that has many calling sturnlgil simpson the new face of old country. ♪ a universal house blowing blowing all around ♪ >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following:

>> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> i just like not having rules. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: this was the week in-fighting threaten the republican party's election chances. the obama administration weighed a response to russia's attempts to impact the u.s. elections. and bob dylan won the nobel prize for literature. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. >> united states launching multiple cruise missile strikes against yemen in response to two separate attacks on u.s. ships. >> the man accused of planting bombs in new york and new jersey made his first court appearance.

>> pleading not guilty in connection with the shoot-out with new jersey police officers when he was arrested. >> rose: wells fargo c.e.o. steps town. >> wells fargo c.e.o. retiring immediately. >> slander and libel was thrown at me by the clinton machine and the "new york times," as part of a coordinated and vicious attack. >> no woman deserved to be treated this way. none of us this deserves this kind of abuse. >> you claim the mantle of the party of family values, and this is the guy you nominate. >> if we do our jobs, donald trump will stop being on the news every single day. >> i was getting beaten up, for locker room talk-- whatever you want to call it. but bill clinton sexually assaulted innocent women. >> we all heard on what tape what he thinks of women. and last night, he doubled down on his excuse saying that, well, it's just locker room banter.

>> old rich white dudes just always assume you're being recorded. ( laughter ) you fall for this every two years. you've lost sports teams because of this, movie careers, and now a presidential election. tape recorders have done more damage to old rich while the dudes than tennis elbows ♪ i need a hero >> tim teen low leaned over a wall to comfort and pray for a fan having a seizure. >> rose: samsung drops the phone. >> sum sunshine has reportedly stopped production of its cell phone after reports it caught fire. >> rose: bob dylan wins a nobel prize. >> rose: we begin this week with politics. with just 24 days until the election, donald trump has sent the republican party into crisis

mode. the republican nominee's demeaning comments about women and allegations that he did more than just talk with upended the presidential race. joining me now from washington is john dickerson. he is the anchor of "face the nation" and political director of cbs news. john, give me a snapshot of where you think we are on this friday night, last weekend before the final debate. >> wel wve got two competitions going on. one is donald trump versus hillary clinton, and the other is donald trump versus the republican party. but it was telling on the night that donald trump, in some people's eyes, kind of righted his campaign in that second debate, or at least righted it in terms of some service republicans. the next day he came out and went on a really strong, whirlwind shooting match at paul ryan and john mccain and republicans in his party. as newt gingrich pointed out, if he wants to win, donald trump wants to win, he needs to focus on hillary clinton and not keep his fire aimed at those republicans who he thinks have

betrayed him. >> rose: so why does he do it? >> because he is a counter-puncher by instinct. and, also, i think when he talked about being unshackled, i think there has been a constant push and pull, ever since he won the republican nomination, between donald trump as hements to be-- which is what he think brought him to the dance, which is to say his full donald trump-- and the establishment of the party which asks he rein himself in some. he thinks that's not only uncomfortable from a personal level but ineffective and not going to be what gets him the nomination. there are, obviously, a lot of people who disagree with that. >> rose: what's the impact of the wikileaks disclosures? >> the trump campaign has seized on a couple of things in the e-mails that i don't think are going to go very far politically. they're a bit of a reach. but as a political matter, hillary clinton has a tougher time if there's ever any distance between her public and private positions. and so these e-mails, while some

people may write them off as just politics as usual, they go to her essential challenge, can which is those voters who-- and i run into them again and again, and even voters who don't like donald trump, who constantly raise the issue of the fact that they think hillary clinton is not straight with them, won't be straight with them as a president, and so even if these e-mails look like politics as usual to some people, to voters they look like proof of what they've always bhn worried about, about her. >> rose: with respect to women, clearly, donald trump had to win college-educated women in order to find a path to 270. what do we know about the impact of these allegations about sexual predatory activity, and that vote? >> what we know is is that as you quite rightly pointed out, that was the portion of the electorate he was trying to improve his standing with. what we've seen from the

preliminary cross-tabs in the votes, is that he is still doing very poorly with that group of voters, and then we'll see in the coming days the votes and then-- or i should say the opinions of that same group as they've dealt with and processed the allegations that have come charging donald trump with actually behaving in the way that he was talking about on that tape. >> rose: first lady michelle obama's speeches in past campaigns have earned her the nickname "the closer" and her response thursday to donald trump's comments about women may go downals the best speech of the 2016 race. >> the fact is that in this election, we have a candidate for president of the united states who over the course of his lifetime, in the course of this campaign has said things about women that are so shocking, so demeaning. i simply will not repeat anything here today. and last week, we saw this candidate actually bragging about sexually assaulting women.

and i can't believe that i'm saying that a candidate for president of the united states has bragged about sexually assaulting women. and i have to tell you that i-- i can't stop thinking about this. it has shaken me to my core in a way that i couldn't have predicted. so while i'd love nothing more than to prevent like this isn't happening and come out here and do my normal campaign speech, it would be dishonest and disingenuous of me to just move on to the next thing like this was all just a bad dream. this is not something that we can ignore. it's not something we can can just sweep under the rug as just another disturbing footnote in a sad election season. because this was not just a lewd conversation. this wasn't just locker room banter. this was a powerful individual

speaking freely and openly about sexually predatory behavior. and actually bragging about kissing and groping women, using language so obscene, that many of us who are worried about our children hearing it when we turn on the tv. >> rose: the obama administration is weighing what the president calls a proportional response to russia's alleged attempts to hack political players and institutions and create skepticism about the presidential election. for the past three years, john karlin has been responsible for the federal government's prosecution of hundreds of cases of cyber crime and terrorism. he is stepping down this week from his post as the asirnt attorney general for national security. >> i think with-- with the russians-- what we're seeing is they want to undermine confidence in our public election. that would be consistent with

what we've seen them try to do in germany, in other parts of the world. they are -- >> now, how does that work? >> well -- >> how does that strategy work for them? >> well, one-- one question is can it work if you call it out? so once people know that they're trying to do it, i think it becomes a lot harder for them to secretly try to influence an election or a cause on certainty. but this is a country who under its current leadership is antidemocratic. it's fundamentally opposed to the idea of democracy. and that's why it's so important if you try to undermine the confidence of our election, that we do publicly confront it and impose consequences. >> rose: so looking at your tool kit and saying you have a proportionate response, what when are the possibilities? >> well, we've talked before aploig this approach on some that we've used, so we've used criminal indictments. >> rose: but that requires

names of individuals. >> requires names of individuals, an and you've seenn some cases, we've apprehended the individuals. a guy named su bin, a chinese individual, traveled to candidate, was in a conspiracy with two people's liberation army members to hack into. get arrested in canada, fights extradition, waives, comes to the u.s., is sentenced to four years in prison in california. that's one. another is the use of sanctions upon. you saw that with the north koreans. and because when we were sitting around that situation room table when it came to north korea, one of the things we realized was good things in some respects it's north korea. if it was another country, we don't have an executive order to sanction individuals or countries the way we do with terrorists or those who proliferate weapones of mass destruction. and we need one. later that year the president seend in a new executive order. that's another tool that's available now.

>> rose: the other thing that's interesting about it is whether it was connected to the thai's leadership in russia. is it just some military people, in the way it might be the republican guard in iran? or does it go all wait to putin? >> well, i think you'll continue to see the intelligence community give an assessment as to whether this would have to have high levels of government -- >> would they do it without the approval? >> well, you can tell from our response, which is to be public, and to say that there will be consequences, that we believe the russian leadership is accountable for this activity. >> rose: justice ruth bader ginsburg was appointed to the supreme court 24 years ago. we spoke recently about the court, her career, and her role as a pioneer for women's issues. >> in the late 60s, the

women's movement came alive again, and it was my students who propelled me into this-- this line of inquiry. >> rose: asking for legal advice? >> asking for a course on women and the law. at the same time, new kind of complaints were coming in to the new jersey affiliate of the a.c.l.u. women who were school teachers and were pregnant expert being forced on to so-called maternity leave as soon as they began to show, in the fourth month or the fifth month. the leave was without pay, and there was no guaranteed right of return. school teachers were not pleased with this arrangement. they thought they were ready, willing, and able to work, and there's no reason why they should have to leave the classroom just because they were pregnant.

another group of blue-collar women whose place of work had good insurance coverage, health insurance coverage, so these women wanted to have health insurance coverage for their families. the employers' rule was fam coverage is available only for a male worker because the woman was not considered the head of the family. so those new complaint were coming in, complaints that women thought they had the courage to voice. it was the new clients and my students that propelled me into -- >> so you not only taught a course. you started a review. >> yes. >> rose: and became really-- it seems to have become the driving purpose and the driving

cause of your life. >> i had a fantastic opportuni opportunity. there was a real possibility that there would be change in the laws. >> rose: warren berger is now chief justice. >> yes. he began to move a new direction. and that was in a case called "reid v. reid," but sally reid's case, sally was an everyday woman. she made her living by taking care of elderly or disabled people she had a young son, and she and her husband separated and then divorced. the boy became severely depressed. and one day took out one of his father's many guns and committed suicide. so sally wanted to be appointed administrator of his estate, and she applied.

not for any economic reasons. there was very little there. the father, perhaps out of spite, applied a few weeks later, and a probate court judge said, "sally reid, the law controls what i must do in your case." it reads,"as between persons equally entitled to administer a decedent's estate, males must be preferred to females." and then, someone on the a.c.l.u. board spotted it when-- spotted the idaho supreme court's turn-down, and said, "this is the case that will turn the supreme court in a new direction." and it did. >> rose: when people say that you are to the woman's movement that thurgood marshall was to the civil right's movement? >> i feel very uncomfortable

with that comparison. >> rose: because? >> it's right only to this extent-- we definitely copied thurgood marshall's method. but my life was never in danger. thurgood marshall would go to a small town in the south, when he got up in the morning, he didn't know whether he'd be alive at night. i never-- my life was not in danger, as his was. >> rose: when you look at what happened after scalia died, the president wanted to appoint garland. he couldn't get it to bring to a vote. and so you're left with four and four. >> yes. four and four. eight is not a good number for a collegial body. at some times, disagrees. >> rose: what would you like to see the senate do? >> well, i would like to see the court have a full house by the time this term ends.

>> rose: it is not often a first-time author naiks to number one on the "new york times" bestseller list. j.d. vance has done it with "hillbilly elegy" a memoir of a family and culture in crisis. it is a chronicle of white poverty, anguish, and anger. and it has found an audience among those seeking to understand the rise of donald trump. >> it's not to me, it's not so much an ideological opposition to either the democratic or republican elet's. it's a sense that people just don't care about those like you. >> rose: exactly right, they don't care. >> and that feeling, unfortunately, if you think about the political dialogue that we're already starting to have, you know, both on the left and the right, there's a movement to sort of gloat over the fact that the elites were right about donald trump. i'm a never trump guy. i never liked him. but i've noticed this willingness from people who think a lot like i do that, look, we told you so, to all

these white working class voters. we told you so. we told you trump of anything to be a terrible candidate. we told you, you were an idiot if you voted for him. the problem is, if you take that attitude as sort of gloating over trump's defeat you're playing into the very thing that gave right reyes to the trump in the first place which is a feeling the elites think they're smarter than you and you're a bun of idiot. >> rose: what impact has writing this book had on you, other making you think deeply about where you came from, and the impact an understanding of your own community might make. >> well, it's for the first time exposed me to the wild world of internet trolls who criticize everything you do. >> rose: they follow you everywhere. >> absolutely. the internet is a den of vipers, as i like to say. no, i think the biggest impact it's had on my life, obviously-- it's sort of-- it's sort of forced me to confront the fact that i sort of exist uneasily in

the world of the elites, and the exist uneasily in the world of non-elites back home and i'll always feel most comfortable in middletown, ohio. i realize that the media asked me to be the spokesman for the white working class voter, voting for trump, but as somebody who doesn't like trump myself, i understand where trump voters come from but i don't like trump myself so it made me realize that i'm not quite part of either world totally. ♪ ♪ >> rose: sturgill simpson is a relatively new face on the country music scene. his mournful ballads and hard-edged sound have brought him both a major following and a major record deal. simpson's album is called, "a sailor guide to earth." >> i don't know that i'm necessarily making a focused

effort to represent anything. i just know when i go into a studio or try to write songs, i guess honesty and trying to represent the human experience from my perspective as undiluted as possible. >> rose: and what was the dream? >> just to make music for a living and get to go around the world and play music for people. and that's -- >> that's what you do. >> that's a reality now. that's what i do. >> rose: when they compare you to wayland jennings, you say, "damn, that's fine. i'll take that. >> i'll take it. it's strange, it's funny to me, there are probably two or three people in my mind, if i was trying to emulate anybody, but that's what comes out. i guess there's a resonant, similar timber and certain ranges of our vocals. like i said before, there are a lot worse things to be told than, "hey, you sound like wayland jennings." >> rose: you take exception of being labeled the poster boy for traditional country with named traditional country people.

>> sure. >> rose: it's almost like you like-- you like the outlaw. >> i just like not having rules. i like to be able to go from one project to the next without somebody saying, "you know what you ought to do." or "maybe you shouldn't do that." >> rose: they're saying this is where you fit. go fit. >> yeah, and all of those guys you're compared to, my heros, they were pushing boundaries. they were trying on take-- especially merle was a very elastic musician. he would go in a lot of different directions and incorporate different musical styles into the guise of country music. i don't think i'm breaking ground here. >> rose: what's "oh, sir?" >> that's a song i wrote for my wife. >> rose: you describe your sound as having all that dirt and grime and life sauce. >> the life sauce. >> rose: what's a life sauce? >> just, you know, the wrinkles and the scars and the-- i like

things to have a cohesive deterioration, if that makes sense, sort of make-- i want to make wide-screen music so you can just immerse yourself. those are the records i always loved, anyway. >> rose: this is written from the perspective of a sailor. >> somewhat. there's a little marketing behind that. >> rose: you had to put yourself in the mind of a sailor. >> i wanted to do something with all the emotions that i was feeling at the time, which was home sickness and even though it was providing for my family, like i said, i couldn't shake this little-- wow, this is all really selfish, you know, because i'm getting a lot from doing this. but at the same time, i'm missing so much at home. but my wife, again, has realized that if i'm home too long, all of a sudden i probably need to go play music. >> rose: yes.

>> rose: here is a look at the week ahead. sunday is the country music hall of fame induction ceremony in nashville, tennessee. monday is the 47th birthday of singer wyclef john. tuesday is the deadline to register to vote in the presidential election in kansas, maine, new jersey, nevada, and oregon. wednesday is the day of the third and final presidential debate at the university of nevada las vegas. thursday is the day donald trump and hillary clinton both address the alfred e. smith dinner in new york. friday is opening day for comic-con paris. saturday is the qualifying round for the united states grand prix in austin, texas. and here is what's new for your weekend: the fray begins a fall conert in seattle. ♪ ♪

>> rose: the second weekend of the desert trip music festival gets under way in indio, california. >> rose: and ben affleck, anna kendrick, and john lith combo are in theaters nationwide with "the accountant." >> can our son lead a normal life? >> define "normal." >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. we leave you tonight with america's newest nobel laureate, bob dylan. when announcing dylan as winner of the nobel prize for literature, the committee congratulated him "for having created new poetic expressions within the great american song tradition." on behalf of all of us here, congratulations for bob dylan, and thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we'll see you next time.

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