. >> welcome to the program, a decisive battle to retake mosul is under way in iraq and we talk to eric schmitt of "the new york times" and david ignatius of "the washington post." >> this is the most complicateed part of iraq where all the different groups, sunni arabs, kurds, turkman, some shiites come together in a very large meuns fall space that has been brutally suppressed by isis. i have to be honest, i have not yet seen convincing evidence that the day after has been adequately planned for. so that worries me as this offensive start. >> rose: we continue this evening with nancy pelosi, the minority leader of the house of representatives about this election and the future. >> donald trump is here today, gone tomorrow presidential candidate. for a long time now he hasek

owed what the republicans have been saying in congress for a long time. he has influenced, they have power. and they have brought anti-immigrant, anti-mexican specifically, anti-muslim, anti-women legislation to the fore on the floor in committee and press krchs for a long time. >> rose: we conclude this evening with issa rae, whose hbo series is called "insecure." >> it's basically the chronicles of a modern day black woman and her friends. >> rose: and two of them. >> two of them. two friends navigating the jobs, the relationships, each other. an just dealing with what it means to be a >> rose: the battle for mosul, nancy pelosi, and issa rae when we continue. funding for charlie rose is provided by the following:

>> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. the campaign to retake mosul in iraq began early this morning. it comes more than two years after isis first took control of iraq's second largest city in june of 2014. iraq's military says it has already inflicted heavy losses of life and equipment on isis. defense secretary ashton carter called the offensive a decisive moment in the fight against islamic state. up to one million civilians may be caught in the cross fire in what could become a major humanitarian crisis. joining me now from washington david ignatius of "the washington post" and eric schmitt of "the new york times." let me begin with a simple question. what is necessary to overtake and kick isis out of mosul?

david? >> well, first obviously a strong military offensive, but ones that's careful about dealing with the ways in which that battle space has been prepared by isis, the way it has been booby trapped, the likelihood of suicide bombs, the possibility that chemical weapons which we know isis has might be deployed in that battle space. the second point i would make, beyond the strong initial push is the need to understand how the pieces of mosul will be put back together the day after. this is the most complicated part of iraq where all the different groups, sunni arabs, kurds, turkman, some shiites come together in a very large municipal space that's been brutally suppressed by isis. i have to be honest, i have not yet seen convincing evidence that the day after has been adequately planned for so that

worries me as this offensive starts. >> why has it taken so long to build together? what is the coalition that was necessary before you launched the attack? >> well, charlie, they had to build an army again. basically an army big enough as david says to take this city, it was $2 million people before the isis rolled in there in june of 2014. so they had to build up about 12 bri gaids of new forces, army forces, as well as counter terrorism forces, then shia militia that will participate in some form, and the kurdish peshmerga. so it is a very complicated mix of fighters and to coordinate this offensive against the city is going to be very difficult. >> and what's the role of shia militias? >> well, they're going to be playing a role outside the city right now. they've been playing a role obviously down in other cities as well. but right now they will be kept outside the city. they have been an effective fighting force but as you get up into this area, it could be very problematic if they are going into sunni held areas. >> and how long, david, should this battle last. is it a protrect-- protracted

battle over montds or will it reach a decisive end earlier than that? >> we honestly don't know. we get conflicting signals. in part the war against isis has become a war of momentum, there is a feeling that in both iraq and syria, they're on their back foot. the you freightees valley, anbar province, to the southwest of mosul, fell much more quickly than people expected after the fall of ramadi and then fallujah. and most of the valley flipped as the sunni tribesmen came on board with the government of baghdad and with the u.s.-led coalition. so that argues for keeping up the momentum and moving quickly. this is a very big city. and i wouldn't be surprised if you saw pushes in parts where they think that isis is weak, but then a more protracted campaign in other parts. one thing they have to be worried about is a very large refugee flow out of mosul, as panicked people and isis

fighters flee a city that's under this enormous attack, which will include heavy u.s. air bombardment, i'm sure. where do those refugees go. how do you avoid the new refugee problem from destabilizing iraq even further. so those are questions, on the one hand you want to keep the momentum up, move ckly. on the other, make sure that you can digest each piece as you move forward. >> and the most porntd thing is you can take and hold and govern. >> we have learned painfully watching these words in the middle east that the essential recipe is clear hold and build. that's the phrase the u.s. military uses. you send in a strong initial force to clear. but that doesn't mean you can hold that territory. it certainly doesn't mean that you can build effective governance. and again, i have not seen the evidence that the last two, the hold and build parts, have been carefully thought through. >> eric, if show mosul does fall, and it's not over a long period of time, what does that

say about the effort to go into syria, and go after the second isil stronghold raqqa? >> well, you have to remember, charlie, syria will be a very different fight. at least here in iraq the u.s. has the full cooperation of the government of iraq as well as various players including the peshmerga in syria they are dealing with sort of a pickup team of fighters on the ground. fighters including syrian kurds and syrian arabs. now so far they have been fairly effective in moving acss that belt of stretch of areas that isis can control. that is until the turks interrupted that momentum a couple of weeks ago. so right now the syrian kurds are marshaling their forces. the u.s. and the special operations forces that are advising and assisting them are now looking to focus on a campaign in raqqa. ideally for the american forces, and american officials here in washington, these campaigns

would overlap. they would be able to put pressure on raqqa, roughly the same time you are putting pressure on mosul. but right now they have not assembled enough of the syrian arab fighters as part of this coalition to go into raqqa, to move forward on that fight. so the air campaign will continue, in syria and according to american officials that i talk to just today, they're hoping, they're hoping to get the campaign against raqqa under way, roughfully, you know, sometime in the weeks ahead. but roughly while mosul is still under way as well so they can basically put isis in a vice between the two cities. mosul and its defacto capital of raqqa in syria. >> and what happens to aleppo in the mean time? >> well, unfortunately a-- aleppo is a whole other situation. the president said the united states will deal with isis first. in aleppo the tragedy continues, the humanitarian efforts but right now the focus of the obama administration is defeating isil. >> rose: david, you knew a

lot-- go ahead. >> charlie, i just was going to make the point following on what eric said. i think the fact that the situation in aleppo is so catastrophic from the standpoint of the u.s. and its allies is one reason that we are encouraging the iraqis to go forward with the o fensz-- offensive on mosul now. that is one part of this campaign where relatively speaking, the u.s. has stronger leverage, better order of battle, understands the campaign. i think in terms of eric was describing, there had been hopes for hitting raqqa soon after. the problem is that the main force the u.s. was expecting would lead the clearing operations in raqqa, the syrian kurdish militia known as the ypg and its allied arab fighters in a coalition called the sdf, i'm told and am much more weary of jurning too that battle. they see the fight for raqqa being the bloodiest fight of

this war. equivalent to the battle of kobani in which thousands of kurdish lives were lost and the city was just destroyed. so i think there is a real reluctance for the raqqa battle, which is seen as the final battle, the place where all the isis fighters, people who flee iraq, the people who flood other parts of syria will concentrate in raqqa for what will be a fight to the death. >> what's the role of americans on the ground, special forces and other americans on the ground, both in iraq and syria? >> just to begin that, and turn to eric, i was lucky enough to travel with general, our sentcom command near syria and see the american special operations forces who were training both the syrian kurds and the syrian arabs for the battle in the east, preparing for the battle in raqqa. it's a powerful sight to see how the u.s. organizes. >> charlie, at the pentagon just this afternoon, peter cook, the spokesman acknowledged that there were u.s. ground spotters

on the ground, who were traveling as special operations forces who are attached to the iraqi and kurdish officials, forces on the ground, that is, calling in air strikes, so the big question is just how close american forces are to the front lines. mr. cook said that right now they are behind the front lines, but clearly with some 5,000 troops in iraq, american troops there, at least several hundred of them are participating in this advising role, many others are serving as logistics and intelligence support. clearly you have the overhead, you've got apache helicopter pilots, come bat attack planes carrying out air strikes. it is a very significant supporting role on the ground, while there are obviously the kurdish and iraqi forces, as many as 30,000 of them will do the lion's share of the fighting in mosul. >> is any hope that show this can be without the russians, and are the russians at all interested in seeing this stop?

>> david? >> so i think secretary kerry has been, again, meeting with the russians in a broader group in the hope that the russians will see diplomatic solutions being in their interest. when you ask u.s. military officials if they see any military solution in the west, in the aleppo area that would involve u.s. forces, they say flatley, no. this is something for the diplomats to do. they said this for months. the problem is that at each point, we have been hoping that the russians were serious about the diplomatic agreements that they seem to be negotiating. and then those have proved to be-- to be meaningless, and the slaughter in aleppo has continued. what is interesting is that in this latee round the u.s. has brought in the regional powers. the u.s. has brought iran and saudi arabia, to this table to try to work with the u.s. and russia. and that's, i think, kind of a

last des operated hope. >> and will it make a difference. >> well, if the-- the iranians are a key factor here. if the iranians decide that the time is right for a settlement in syria, then it will work. but the question has always been why should the syrian regime of president assad and his iranian supporters and the russians stop fighting when by all evidence, they're winning. they're about to take the city. >> eric schmitt, david ignatius, thank you so much. >> thanks, charlie. is. >> rose: nancy pelosi here, the minority leader of the house of representatives. she previously served as speaker of the house from 2007 to 2011 making her the first and only woman to occupy that post. she may reclaim the gaffe el next year. donald trump's failing poll numbers have made democratic control of the house a possibility. with only 22 days until election day, voters are increasingly disenchanted with the tone of the campaign. trump's repeated warnings of a

rigged election are spurring distrust in public institution. i'm pleased to have leader nancy pelosi back at this table. so let me just begin with this. so where do you think the race is at this moment? >> well,-- if you believe in polls, they show hillary clinton with ever-expanding lead. the poll just had it like 50-38. first time i think hillary has hit the 50 mark. but we don't know. in other words, until the people speak, and they are the boss, they rule, you don't know what it is. so we all just say stay prepared for the opportunities that come forward. >> do you think this election will have a down ballot impact? >> i think it will. 2012 did not. >> right. >> but i believe that this election will have a down ballot influence because people are really tired of obstruction in washington. and what the republicans have said, and they've said it even today, that they're prepared to

obstruct. they call it checks and balances but it's obstruction. it's exactly what they said around october 20th in 1996, right, when they gave up on winning the election against bill clinton. they said. >> against bob dole. >> running against bob dole who is wonderful. i love bob dole. but none the less, when they realized, they started talking about checks and balances. that translated to the impeachment of the president. >> uh-huh. and you are sulging what, if in fact it looks like hillary clinton is going to win and win big, that some voters will say i want checks and balances in washington. and therefore-- or the opposite of that. they don't want checks and balances. >> no, the republicans are using checks and balances for a euphemism for obstruction. >> rose: a lot of people think it is a good idea to have one party in power in the white house and down pennsylvania avenue, another party, at least

in the house, in control. >> well, we had that when-- we had the majority and president bush was president. and we cooperated with him. we did not support him in the war in iraq. we did not support him in privatizing social security. but in every other way we worked together and got some great accomplishments. contrary to when they won the majority and president obama was president, they said the most important thing that we can do is to make sure he doesn't subbing-- succeed, their leader in the senate said that, mitch mcconnell, and republicans in the house supported that. so that is not checks and balances. that is obstruction. and that is what they again said in 96y, and then-- . >> rose: what mcconnell said was our most important goalt was to beat barack obama when he seeks re-election. >> well, that he is not a second term president. >> rose: right. >> and so that is-- contributed to any-- and what their behavior was after that was one of no,

nothing is our agenda and never is our time table. just say no. and that is not fair to the american people. >> rose: let me stick with this idea. i mean what has to happen for you to regain the majority of the house of representatives? how many seats. >> we need 30 seats to win. the important thing is for the american people to win in this election. that hopefully we can take this debate to a place where their interests are served. where the concerns of american people-- . >> rose: that's what paul ryan says t is important for the american people to win. >> i have never heard him say that. but the fact is, that he has an agenda in congress, the ryan budget, show me your values, show me your budget. the ryan budget says we're going to remove the guarantee from medicare. we're going to cut 185 billion from education, we're going to give tax breaks to the wealthiest people, and we're going to block any funding for con stra ception, to name a few, to name a few. >> rose: but you organize. >> to name a few. and by the way, governor spends

has-- spence has voted forb the ryan budget two, three times and he also voted for the---- . >> rose: the-- mike pence. >> votedded three times for that ryan budget that would take the guarantee and that-- one more point, and when he was there, he voted for president bush's initiative to privatize social security. so while all this distraction is going on about other subjects, their bread and buttedder issues that affect people very directly, if you depend on medicare or social security. if you want education to be affordable. if you want a woman to have a right to choose. >> rose: paul ryan, and some of the republicans will say so much are if disagreement with donald trump, you know, that they don't support his idea. they don't support his ideas about a ban on muslims. they don't support his ideas about a wall. they don't support his ideas on trade. >> i'm so glad you are asking these questions. >> because i want to set the record straight. >> rose: i know you do, because i know you what say. >> it's not what i say.

it's what they say. look, donald trump is a here today gone tomorrow presidential can dt. for a long time now he hasek owed what the republicans have been aing in congress for a long time. he has influenced. they have power. and they have brought anti-immigrant, anti-mexican, specifically, anti-muslim, anti-women legislation to the fore on the floor, in committee, in press conferences for a long time. there is not a time's worth of difference between the republicans in congress-- . >> rose: you said that before, i know. >> and donald trump. so his-- they have preceded him more strongly and put it on the floor legislation to build walls to block muslims from coming too our country. so this is not saying they disagree with him. maybe paul ryan does, but he doesn't control the the view in the congress. i don't know whether he is going to vote for him or not going to vote for him. we don't know that.

because he has been vague am but i will say this, the republicans in congress who are now finding trump so distasteful, only did so when it feaked their election. when it was just donald trump being crude and rude and disrespectful, they didn't say boo. >> rose: a lot of it happened after he was videotaped on the bus. >> that's right. so before, you know, they said oh my gosh, shocking. but a lot of what i said before was objectionable, but they never said so. until it affected their election. which it is doing. >> rose: john boehner said that if, in fact, there is a republican majority after the 2016 election, that paul ryan will still have the same problems he had dealing with his caucus. >> that's right. >> rose: he will have the same problems. that is one of the reasons he is happy not to be there. >> that is one of the reasons why you say paul ryan differs with this. is he not talking about his caucus. we're talking about the people that we are opposek on the ballot right now who strongly, now-- and what we see in the

measure of public opinion is if you are in one of these republican districts, represented by republican at the moment. >> rose: which has been redistricted often. >> and it's sort of a suburban moderate district, if you say you are for trump, you, by 11 points, you lose the moderates and if you are say you are against trump by 11 points, you lose the trump people. so damned if they do, damned if they don't, forgive my crudeness. >> do you have any problems with your own caucus. >> no. >> the question arose during the negotiations and seeking of a grand compromise between john boehner and barack obama. >> this is very interesting. because some of those who don't really know what really happened are saying neither of them could come to terms. 234e no, we came to terms and we even came to their terms. and in 2013 at the time of the shutdown of government, i think-- i think we have had this conversation before, but just to revisit for a moment, we had an

agreement, house, senate, democrats, republicans and the white house that our budget would be one trillion $58 billion, $1 trillion 58 billion. we thought it was too low but it was a compromise. we didn't have the majority so we agreed. the senate, republicans agreed to that, everyone agreed. and then the house republicans said no, we're not going a dime over 988. their own chairman, mr. rogers of kentucky said, chairman rogers, republican chairman said this makes it impossible for us to meet the needs of the american people. their own chairman said that. my pebs said we could never vote for that, it's obscene, we can't annoint that. i said say thinking you want about it but don't say you won't vote for it because you might. >> rose: now look, there's a reason that you became speaker of the house it was because of one, the power of your organizing ability, the power to raise money and your powers of leadership. that is why you became speaker of the house.

>> let's not divert ourselves from what the republicans did on the budget. so mr. boehner said we're not going a penny above 988 or else we shut down government. so we all, well, the senate, democrats and republicans said okay, go to 9.88. the whowls said we go to 988. i called the speaker, mr. boehner said look, my members really don't like this at all. they think it's too low. it weakens our country in terms of innovation and education, et cetera. but if that is what it takes to keep government open, we, i will give you 100% of the house democrats to vote for 988. and he said i can't bring it to te floor. because they-- they figured we wouldn't agree tw, and they could blame it on us. we agreed. the only people who were not supporting the republican budget number, the house republican budget number were the house

republican budget members. so when they say that the president was always extending compromise, we always said to him, just get it done. because the american people need us to make progress, even if it's not as fast as we would like. and so that's what boehner had to deal with. and then a year later and a year later, he had to deal with shutting down government because of planned patienthood. shutting down government because of this or that and he just walked out the door. >> one quick historical point about that. there was some question of whether he could be re-elected speaker. and i understand that nancy pelosi was prepared to provide the vote for him to be elected speaker. is that correct? >> nancy pelosi was prepared to respect the institution of the house of representatives. >> rose: not provide the votes for john boehner. >> not let 30 people, extreme tea party people-- .

>> rose: you said if you need us, we're here. that's what you said. >> i said i have the backing of the institution. >> rose: i just interviewed john boehner. >> i don't know. >> rose: you were there, they held-- you thought. >> there was the interest of the institution. in other words, you can't let the most extreme element of the republican party which is anti-governance, antiscience, anti-barack obama, by a few votes, upset the regular order of the congress. >> rose: i want to talk about a number of things. let's assume there is a majority, house majority is on the democratic side. what's the agenda? what is it primarily what? >> the major difference in the parties in an election, is about the economy. >> okay. >> rose: trickle down economics versus middle class economics, to increase the purchasing power of middle income families, consumer confidence, to inject, demand

into the committee, create jobs. bigger paychecks, trickle down f it creates job, that would be good. if it doesn't, so be it, that is the free market. so that is really the main thing, is how do we move forward as we did with our recovery plan one week after the president was sworn in, we passed a recover act to create good-paying jobs, to lift up the middle class and those who aspire to it. so that, to act upon that, that would be creating jobs through infrastructure. so first the committee. the-- economy, the other two things, i tell you this, are you my friend. you i think would trust what i say to you. i would rather lose the election if they said today we'll pass a gun violence protection bill and a immigration bill. those two things are very important to the safety of the american people, which we have taken an oath to protect and defend, and also the character of america, a nation constantly invigorated by newcomers to our country. those two things are very

important. now what would be on the agenda to begin with will depend on, of course, the president of the united states-- . >> rose: could you have done that during the first two years of the obama administration. >> because you need 60 votes in the senate. >> rose: right. >> but the issues are so much more high profile now. president lincoln said public sentiments is everything. we did a lot, you know, we did the recovery act. we did the affordable care act, we did wall street reform, we did repeal of don't ask don't tell, we ended discrimination in the workplace with-- we did a large number of things. but in terms d-- and we only had 60 votes for a short period of time because senator specter was a republican until like june, senator franken didn't become certified until like july, senator kennedy died in august. end of jeult, august. so you know, i think we could do them now. i think we would have republican votes to do them now. i think they would pass right now if the speaker put them on the floor. i think it would be enough

republican votes, bipartisan support for background checks, guns. >> you have said about the election results for the house, you have said if the election was today, you think it's a possibility. >> yeah. >> to see a democratic majority if it was held today, a gain of 30 seats. >> that's right. >> but you can't say what it will be like two weeks from now, on election day because. >> because of big, dark, endless money. >> rose: but don't you have a lot of money too? >> we have a lot of money, but we don't have endless. >> rose: their pac money is bigger than your pac money. >> their pac money is unknown and endless. we don't have endless. but here's the thing. i think that-- i believe that hillary clinton will be president, for reasons that seem obvious. but also because we're not stopping the work that we're doing on the ground. we own the ground. we own the ground and have chosen places as our priority. >> rose: is it your impression

of the republican party supporting donald trump on the ground or not? >> well, 42% of the republicans, 42% of people support donald trump. that's where he is in the polls, 38-42. i think that many of them are thpporting him for the reason republicans support republicans. they don't want to pay the fair share of taxes. >> do you think this will have a lasting impact on our respect for the political dialogue? do you think it has a lingering sense of distrust for institutions? because it is said that that is exactly what some of the russian hacking is about, causing a suspicion about our election process. >> that is what their goal is to undermine democracy wherever it exists and they just don't do it here in the u.s but you know, i think our democracy can withstand russian hacking and donald trump's candidacy. >> we certainly hope that, you know, that the institution of government are strong enough for any candidacy to destroy them, regardless of who it is. >> right. and also from the standpoint of

the responsibility we all have to say, how can we get this back on track, to the american people. because i say to my republican friends, and i do have republican friends. >> rose: sure do you. >> in high places. >> rose: you're prepared to deal with them. >> in high places. >> rose: who are they. >> take back your party. take back your party. this is-- . >> rose: you think done all trump kidnapped the republican party. >> well, i think before donald trump, i think the tea party hijacked the republican party, and part of the reason that some of the republicans are annoyed with trump is because he's repealed the republicans in congress, who they are. >> rose: you are saying there say difference between the republican party and donald trump, and paul ryan represents, a high selected republican in the country, and you have been saying, trying to say, make the argument here at this table, well, there is no difference between them and donald trump. in terms of policies. in terms of policy. >> i made two disfinks-- distinctions. one was the bad stuff that donald trump speus forth, they have been speuing forth for a

long time. >> rose: the bad stuff. >> anti-immigrant, anti-mex-- . >> rose: are you talking bay small minority of the partied. >> no, no i'm talking about chairman of committees. i'm talking about peter king of long island, talking about muslims. i'm stalk talking about steve king of iowa. but you should read, it would bring tears to your eyes to see what peter king has said about muslims in our country. but let me just say, that's one subject. and that's what i am saying, they are very much like trump. in addition to that, what is on the ballot are democrats and republicans down ballot. >> rose: do you think hillary clinton should run for. >> no, wait a minute. i'm talking about the ryan budget. no guarantee of medicare. no funding for con tra ception. cutting education, tax cuts for the rich. i'm talking about a very distinct budget from the democrats. and where's the compromise when they want to give tax cuts to the rich and cut education and

not invest in our future. and by the way, nothing brings more money to their treasury to reduce the deficit than the education of the american people. >> rose: let's talk about the fact that there are some americans here who feel like that they have an economic insecurity. >> that's right. >> rose: they feel like their future is not as bright for their children, as it was even for them. >> that's right. >> rose: and they're worried about them. and they're attracted to donald trump. >> uh-huh. >> rose: should hillary clinton be speaking to them and listening to them and trying to understand them? >> yes, absolutely. >> rose: and is she doing that. >> i think so. >> rose: do you. >> this is who we represent. we have-- the fact that what happened in 08y. >> rose: then why are they choosing donald trump, and not-- because it seems like they are saying we want something different because washington is not working. >> well, they like his antitrade message. >> rose: because they think it costs jobs. >> they do. >> rose: is what they think. >> that is what they think. >> rose: do you think that? >> i think some people lose jobs and some people gain jobs. >> rose: but are you against the ttp too. >> because i don't believe in trickle down economics.

and i don't-- . >> rose: i don't believe in trickle down trade. i believe in globalization. >> rose: what do you think brexit was about. >> immigration and trade. >> immigration and trade but i said to the president obama and president bush, if you want to trade bill-- a trade bill, and you want an immigration bill, you want a trade bill and an immigration bill, you have to start with a big jobs bill. because people think that they have lost their jobs from immigration. hardly anybody, some people have lost their jobs because of trade. that's for sure. >> rose: okay t is said that some of the disclosures that came out of the goldman sachs speeches have been revealed during the primaries. >> uh-huh. >> rose: bernie sandsers would have had a field day. >> like what? >> rose: bernie sanders said look, this is what i have been telling you. hillary clinton. >> what. >> rose: you know what was disclosed in speeches about sort of open borders and a whole

range of other issues, and about trade and, you know, there was a sense that there is a difference in a private position and a public position. that is what bernie sanders was saying. >> right. i think when they said public position and private position phasize in public that is notu menacing to people. i trust hillary clinton not to support ttp, this version of a globalization. >> rose: even though your president is. >> yeah. >> rose: strongly for this. >> yes, indeed. i opposed president george herbert walker bush and president bill clinton on china trade. because i think-- . >> rose: you have a thing about the chinese. >> i love the chinese. but i don't-- what they are doing tow climate and the rest of that, i don't love what they have done in terms of restricting access to their markets. >> rose: human rights. >> human rights, and also pirating of our intellectual property, of selling missile technology to pakistan,

nonconventional technology, ring magnets if you want to get really specific, out of their country. >> rose: let me ask you this: has the democratic party, and i think the answer is yes, whennive i ask, this the democratic party has turned left, hasn't it? >> i think the dem-- no, you know, here's the thing. >> rose: or do you on swrect terms like that. >> i'm from the left, never left enough for the left, that's for sure. they would never call me left. >> rose: you apparently are. that's right. >> here's the thing. and this is important to know. the republicans have left the whole middle open. they have been so far-- . >> rose: now what would you consider the mid snel. >> well, what we are saying is where we can find common grounds. we can find common ground on strong jobs bills that built infrastructure of our country, reduce the deficit, grow

paychecks. we can find common ground there. so when i say to my members is whatever st that you believe, and i say this about the republicans too, i respect your position. if that's what you believe. if that's what you represent in your district. now we all have a responsibility to find a common ground, if we can, on subjects that we can. for some we can't. and that, we'll have to stand our ground. but that doesn't have to be every subject. so there's plenty of room for us to move-- . >> rose: like reform. >> hopefully we can-- well, every time we think we're close they kind of move but for criminal reform would be a place that we can. >> look, when president bush was president, again, i said, the war in iraq and privatizing social security, no. but we passed the biggest energy bill in the history of our country, like taking tens of millions of cars off the road. he wanted nuclear, i wanted renewables. we got-- raised emission standards. >> rose: you are saying this is government working?

>> you your person on the other side of the negotiation has to want something. >> rose: or have the kas paity to deliver the votes if he wants it. >> i understand. but they have to want something. if you're negotiating with someone without doesn't want anything, you really can't make-- you can't have any leverage. so but their agenda is anti-governance. you have to understand, their success is that nothing happens. >> so if paul ryan or john boehner said they can't deliver their caucus. >> uh-huh. >> rose: do you believe them? or do you believe they simply don't want to make a deal? >> no, i think they can't deliver their caucus. >> that's the problem. >> i think they can't deliver their caucus. and that's why when john boehner says we're going to have checks and balances t means they're going to obstruct because they can't deliver their caucus. now what does that mean to the american people t means to the american people is we have a new president, whoever she may be. and she comes in to office, and if they're going to obstruct for day one, that's not fair to our country, to our future, to the

world, really, because of who we are as a country. but i have, i just keep hoping as i said to you before, lincoln said public sentiments is everything. you have to take it to the public so they can make a judgement on what people will do. are they going to shut down government. that's just so irresponsible. as they did when they didn't accept our offer to give them what they asked for, shut it down for 17 days, 25 billion dollars to our gdp. >> rose: what is the chance you think you'll get those 30 seats. >> right now, i think we're at least 20, at least 20, so we're talking about single digits. we're fighting it out for single digits. >> rose: you think you have 20rbgs you just need to find ten more. >> i think i have more than 20. i know the bigger hillary's majority, the bicker hillary's majority, the bet ter is for us. >> rose: it is said that the trump people hope to suppress her vote, and that's part of the

reason for the scorched earth policies. >> that's true. because if they don't-- and that's the second point, turnout. >> rose: do you believe donald trump will accept the results of the election, whatever they are? >> i think he will. i think at the end of the day, he will. but to say it's rigged three weeks in advance and all the rest, first of all trk isn't. harry reid and i put out a statement inviting our republican leader colleagues to join us in terms of saying, we hve historically, as hard fought as our elections have been, as questionable as they were in 2,000, we always accepted the results of the election. so i think that who we are as americans can withstand even a donald trump candidacy. but i think that he will do the right thing by the american people. >> rose: thank you for coming. >> my pleasure. >> rose: pleasure to see you. >> thank you. >> rose: risa rae is here, her self-produced web series the misadventures of an awkward black girl earned her critical

praise and attention from television executives and secured her hily accepted hbo series she corouted alongside larry wilmore, the modern plaque female experience. variety rights it marries yeufersz to create situations that are both precise and effecting. here's a look. >> so it's my birthday but no one cares because i'm not having a party, because i'm feeling sorry for myself. i just want to be more confident. i want to be that person. >> i love these. >> i have a problem. >> i have a problem. >> seriously, you don't even care. here are the concerns. >> are they concerns that they can talk to me about. >> they have a secret white meeting and sending secret white emails. >> girl you know how white people are. >> oh, okay.

this' it? i spent my entire 20st with a dude i'm not even going to end up with. >> sometimes i don't know what we are going to doing. i don't want to sit on the couch for the rest of my life. >> you want to break up with me. >> i'm not ready to talk about there. >> issa, i want to talk. >> 's not about about to be the black couple fighting in rite aid. >> maybe rhyme's not satisfied. >> what the hell? >> what are you doing here. >> i don't know, your fantasy. i've always been your what if guy. >> what are you doing? >> oh, i was just asking when-- it is brooklyn. >> you know we were talking about this the last year and how i need to make the most it i don't have time for the-- any more. >> we going have some drinks tonight. you going to get some-- ha, ha, ha. i had it all wrong. i don't need to be miss [bleep]

i'm now miss give all the [bleep]. i think i like who i am becoming. >> so you got [bleep] on your back now? >> rose: i'm pleased to have isesa rae back at this program for-- at this program for the first time, welcome. >> thank you very much. >> rose: let me just talk b so you went to stanford. >> i did. >> and developed dorm diaries. >> yes. >> rose: what is really interesting from there, then to awkward black girl to insecure, there is a progression of you creating things for yourself. >> yes, definitely. i mean i wanted to-- i wanted to be a writer. and i wanted to break into the television industry. and i feel like i found a short cut is have ia the internet, you i fowpped it by accident, being on face book and you tube constantly. and it's spurred the idea of oh my gosh, what if i just made a show online to share with my friends and that became dorm diaries which was about being black at stanford university and i saw that spread at other

schools. on a very minor scale, like 500 to a thousand views. but people were like oh my god, this is my college experience. and i felt like i had direct access to an audience that was in 2007. so that was my first web series and then i created another one in 2009, an awkward black girl happened in 2011. >> and you are writing about the same thing, your own experiences? >> no, i mean to a degree, i'm writing what i know. i wasn't in any of my series until awkward black girl but for me dorm diaries, i went to stanford. i was black, so there there it was. >> hello. >> then another series the f-- followed my little brother hey music group trying to make it in the music industry. and so we made a mockument are series chronicling their adventures in l.a. that was something close to pea because i was living in the house with my brother. so i watched him kind of do his thing. and built an audience from the ground up in.

and then awkward black girl was more about like just how i felt and me and my sensibilities and humor. >> rose: when did you meetd larry. >> i met larry, after i sold the pic to hbo for "insecure" there were like, are you going to need a supervising producer or show runner, just because you have never run a room before. so we actually had the same management company. and they were like you should meet with him. if you like him, great. if you don't, we'll find someone else. we immediate immediately clicked on the first meeting. is he so great and gracious and funny. >> rose: did hbo come after you and said we want to you do something for us. or did you simply say, having, based on the success that you had had on the web, go to them and say look, this is what i do. i can do this in a larger, bigger, broadser way. >> they actually called me. which was a celebration in and of itself. they called me a short time after i had-- i had another series, another network that was

passed on and i was kind of devastated and thought i blew my shot. and then they called me a month later and said we heard are you free. do you have any ideas. and so i pitched them the concept for-- . >> rose: which is? >> which is, i mean, it's basically the chronicles of a modern day black woman and her friends. >> rose: two of them. >> two of them. two friends navigating the their jobs, their relationships, each other. and just dealing with what it means it be a black woman today. >> rose: so it's an insight into blackness today. >> it's an insight into two specific girls blackness. because i also don't want to, like. >> rose: paint a broad brush. >> exactly. because a lot of black women would be like that's not my experience. this is very much something that is based off of the

relationships that i have had, some of the friendships that i have, and i just wanted to chronicle something that was an ke that, in larger group,ple gives you the capacity not only to have two separate life experiences but also the dialogue between the two. >> completely. >> rose: where you share all d hopefully in a very raw andg authentic way. because a lot of the conversations that we have in this show are conversations that i've actually had with friends or tt other writers have had with friends. just wanted to make it as relatable as possible. >> rose: tell me who molly is. >> molly is you know, she's one of those people who can get a long with anybody. she can exist in bots worlds. in the show i say that she, that white people love her and black people love her. and she is, you know, killing it at work. she's a lawyer. she's beautiful. and she is just, can't get it together in her love life. and wanted to acknowledge, again a lot of my real life single friends and their dating experiences, being kind of black women and feeling like at the bottom of the barrel in terms of

being desired by others. and that's kind of where she feels. she wants-- she wants us to find someone who is on her level, who she can fall in love with and be compatible with. >> rose: and how is issa different. >> issa is in a relationship that has been pretty stagnant for a couple of years. and she, you know, when are you in a relationship you kind of always wonder what the other-- whether the single life is et ber. i think that she is there. she witnesses molly going out on dates, having fun and she kind of wants to do the same. she just feels like she is not active. she has been passive a gressively passive as she says on the show. and wants to finally just do something about it. and wants to end her relationship. >> we saw a little bit of that in the 2r5eu8er. >> we did. >> rose: approaching the idea that maybe there is something wrong here. >> there might be, yes, they might not be the best fit right now. >> rose: don't want it sit on the couch. >> for the rest of your life, that sounds really appealing

right now, but no, i don't think in a relationship, a long-term relationship, nobody wants that. you want to be woo, you want to be active, you want to feel like are you going somewhere and she doesn't feel like she's going anywhere in her relationship. >> rose: here it is, issa working at a nonprofit job with middle school students. this is just one scene. here stvment. >> okay, since you guys are so interested nie personal life, here it s i'm 28, actually 29 cuz today's my birthday. cay came from a great family. i have a college degree. i work in the nonprofit world because i like to give back. i've been with my boyfriend for five years and i did this to my hair on purpose. so i hope that covers everything. does anybody actually have any questions about. >> why aren't you married. >> i'm just not right now. >> pie dad said ain't nobody checking for [bleep] black women any more. >> apologize now. >> sorry. >> that's okay. and tell your dad that black women aren't bitter, they're just tired of being expected to settle for less.

>> her out sit shall fit settled tor less. (laughter) >> yeah. >> rose: this is this fun? >> it is fun. i mean that scene, in particular, was fun to shoot. those kids actually hurt my feelings because they were really good at being mean. >> i could tell. they were. pretty cruel. >> rose: and aren't they. >> yes. but i mean, it kind of spoke to my real experiences. like all the questions that they asked in the show, in that opening scene, are questions i received in my real life and i have worked in the nonprofit world and wanted to kind of show how hard that is. and the disconnect between her and these kids. she works at a nonprofit where she is the sole black voice. she is the sole black person and they're helping underprivileged kids of color, so they assume there is a connection. and these kids just tear her apart. >> rose: didn't you say somewhere you were a big fan of curb your enthusiasm.

>> huge fan of larry david and curb your enthusiasm. >> rose: because it introduces you to a culture you may not know? >> i mean, i say that for one, is he just great about tapping too a lot of the universal thunkings that we all feel, that we all get annoyed about but don't say anything about. but the way that i relate, kind of our show to his is that some people may see there is a show, featuring two black women and feel like i condition relate, i'm not going to understand. and this isn't for me. and i kind of find that unfair because i am a huge fan of curb, and jewish culture is huge in that. and i still enjoy the show, sometimes have i to look up what is this holiday, or where is he going? but i enjoy the show none the less because he's tapping into like core human experiences. i feel like we do the same. >> rose: how many years are you going to do this? in other words, one season? >> we just finished a season. >> your first season. >> rose: how many episode nses a season. >> there are eight episodes in the season.

>> what are you doing between this season and next season. >> lots of work. i'm writing a film 6789hbo gave us an opportunity to have a first book deal so we're working with other creators. >> only if you want to tell me, this is a show about experiences of young black women? >> no, this is a completely different-- no. trying to tap into a different lane. but can't say what it is yet. but i'm excited about it. it's completely different. and then just working, i'm still in the digital space heavily, working with other content creators to just get more nuanced stories out there. >> rose: everything is going well. >> everything is going pretty good. i feel like i'm getting more opportunities now in a way that i felt like i was not before. >> rose: hbo. >> hbo has opened a lot of doors. and they've been-- . >> rose: your own show. >> my own show, with an incredible team. >> rose: you write, create. >> with others, i'm very happy, and now people just have to watch it and like it.

>> rose: and are you learning every day. >> i am learning every day. and in a way that i'm, you know, superappreciative of. again we're talking about earlier, the entrepreneurship, i'm learning like what i don't want to do and what i absolutely want to do, moving forward. >> what don't you want to do. >> i don't want to limit myself, at all. so that means you want to do everything. >> i do kind of want to do everything. >> i want to try everything d i feel like a lot of the biggest change that will happen in this industry will happen behind the scenes. and i feel like in terms of working with people and tackling more of the business side, more of the producing side, even directing, that there is an opportunity to make real change. >> rose: an who are your heroes. >> a lot of my heroes, i mean i love spike lee, do i love larry david and seinfeld, i love tina

fey,-- i maybe want to get into film. they're everywhere. i have heroes everywhere. >> rose: and was stanford an important part of your life. >> stanford was extremely important just in terms of-- . >> rose: knowing, because you kind of rebelled against sort of the-- you looked for your own way to express yourself. >> i did. because i felt like i had to. you know, i want there to kind of pursue political science. at my dad's wishes. and when it came time to declare my major, i, all i had to do was answer oh, why do you want to maijer in political science and all i could think of was because pie dad wants me to. so i thought that is probably not a good reason. >> rose: not the best. >> and i was directing and producing and writing plays at the time. and felt like there is something that i wanted to do. and i wanted to pursue that actively. and stanford allowed me to do that.

with their resources there are just so many resources in colleges that are left untouched. and untapped. and they were extremely, because a lot of people were either pursuing medicine or law or business, a lot of those resources were available to pursue the arts. and so i, there was no film major until i was say senior in college and i just decided, like i'm going do this, i will still keep up with my studies but choose a maij thary is able to help me balance the two. >> did you know early on you wanted to be a performer? >> i wanted to be a performer for, up until high school. when i got to college, there weren't very many plays featuring black people. and that's when i was like, this is kind of whack. and kind of fell in love with creating behind the scenes, so creating opportunities for other black people and people of color to star in these plays. and i was like oh my gosh, they are way better actors than i was anyway, working as a direct we are actors kind of made me take

a step back and didn't perform again until i did my web series, awkward black girl and that kind of happened by accident too. >> rose: are you going to write novels as well. >> novels, i wrote one book t was a nonfiction book. so that was a lot. novels, i'm not even really think being right now. i want to read more before i write any novels and right now television shows are like novels to me. i don't want to insult anybody by saying that. but that is just how i feel currently am but who knows. again, no limits. i want to do everything. >> rose: thank you for coming. >> thank you so much for having me. >> rose: "insecure" on hbo. issa rae. for more about this program and earlier episodes visit us online at pbs.org and charlie rose.com. captioning sponsored by rose communications

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