>> rose: welcome to the program. tonight tiger woods in a rare interview for the hour. how do we measure the best to ever play well. is it jack simply because he has 18 majors or is it some general appraisal simply that that person had more talent and applied it better than anybody. >> it's a great question. it is so hard because we never got a chance to lay against one another except that one time. we played with each other in 2000. but when you cross generations, it's very difficult to see who is better than the other. in all sports. but i just think that for me, i would take my skills up against jack any day and i'm sure he would feel the same way. >> rose: do you believe

you'll get 18 majors. >> to be honest with you, no. >> rose: you don't. >> no. >> rose: you've accepted that. >> i've accepted i'm going to get more. >> rose: tiger woods for the hour, next. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. . >> rose: tiger woods is here. he is considered one of god's greatest players if not at his best, the best. in 1997 at age 21, he won his first main tournament at the masters by a record 12 strokes.

he was previously the only male to win three straight u.s. amateur titles. with a total of 14 major championships under his belt, he trails under jack nicklaus who has 18. in recent years he's been sidelined by injury including three back injuries. tiger delayed his return to competitive golf early this month stating my game is vulnerable and not where it needs to be. this year marks the 20th anniversary of the tiger woods foundation, the charitable organization focuses on youth education and intends to double the number of students to attend college through its scholarship this year. i'm pleased to have tiger woods at this table for the first time. >> thank you charlie. >> rose: we've been trying to do this for a long time so i absolutely thank you. >> yes, thank you. >> rose: this has been an interesting several weeks for you. these the ryder cup. you were vice capital. you were instrumental according to patrick reid on the course

and in his held you announced a new company to gr being involved in live events and restaurants and golf course management. >> right. >> rose: you celebrated the 20th anniversary of a foundation. you announced as you did you would play at the safe way tournament and then you withdrew saying your body was okay, saying that your golf was vulnerable. what did you mean. >> well charlie before the ryder cup i was playing and i was able to shoot scores and play at home. then i had some time off during the ryder cup and was focused on that. i never quite got my scoring around. and i was so excited to play, i want to compete. i went out to stanford right before safe way and i was practicing out there. we were with the team and hang out with them and really work on my game.

it's a hard realization knowing that i'm not scoring like i should be. my feel for hitting, you know, 150 yard seven irons and taking stuff off of it or jumping on an nine iron and hitting the correct distance, shaping shots. all that stuff i kind of lost the feel then. trust me, as a competitor, i was ready to go, i wanted to compete, i wanted to compete. but in my heart of hearts i knew that i couldn't go out there and shoot 63s and 64s. trust me as a competitor, it doesn't feel very good. >> rose: so as the greatest time player in the history of the game many say, the greatest iron player in the history of the game, to take a seven iron or to take a wedge and not be able to do what you know you have done before, what does it feel like. >> it was more of the feel of hitting those shots because i hadn't done it enough. i was in a groove playing at

home. i took time off with the ryder cup and trying to come back after that. i just didn't quite have the same feel. i thought i would take it up right away. i was ready to compete, i was ready to go. and man, it's tough knowing that i see a shot and i can kind of feel it but it's not quite there. if it's not quite there yet, hey you've waited over a year to get back to this point. let's be smart about it and not rush it. that's from my brain saying that back to me but my heart is saying tiger, let's play, you know. let's go, come on, let's get back into it. >> rose: have you come back before when you think now looking back it was too early. >> i've done it so many times either through surgeries or through injuries. i've played through them. i've come back early. i've damaged the body to compete at a high level some times. and this time i took a lot of time off to get it right. and there's no as soon as in

hurrying and getting it, getting an injury or taking shots or get a feel for it. i wanted to do it all right at the same time. at safe way i thought i was ready for it and i was the. okay. just take a step back, you waited this long. there's no sense in the urgency of getting right back out there again. make sure your stuff is ready and when you're ready, let's go. >> rose: you'll know. >> i'll know. >> rose: jasper said he played with you and he's amazing. >> doing it at home and knowing i have to do it out make the low 60's and do that again, i wasn't quite ready for it yet. because this is the long else layoff i've ever had of my career and i've never had this long a layoff. my feel isn't quite where it

used to be so i just need more practice time at home. more play time. playing more money games to guys on tour, at home. some of the young guys come out there and we go and play a bit. >> rose: golf is never -- >> oh my god, as a medalist there are 33 pros. making money here or there. >> rose: it's the difference between the driving range and course is the difference between playing around with friends and a tournament. >> ranger rick is one thing and then golf buddy is another thing and then ultimately playing tour level is a different level and beyond tour is the championship. so this progression. i'm not quite at that tour level progression yet. >> rose: do you believe the talent is there. >> oh yeah. >> rose: you're sure. >> yeah. >> rose: how do you know. >> i'm hitting the shots, i can

feel the shots. i just don't quite have it all yet. i like having the full repertoire shots. plus it wasn't there yet. >> rose: let me analyze your game. the putty is what made you great. >> right. i can putt . >> rose: you can putt . there's no problem there. the long irons. >> not a problem. >> rose: what is it. >> overall scoring. >> rose: it's not a particular aspect of the game you can fix and then you got it. >> no. it's just putting it altogether. >> rose: keeping it in the fair way. >> keeping it in the fair way. i'm not as long as i used to be. >> rose: by how much ten yards. >> i can carry the ball 300 yards but the boys are now 330. it's a different ball game. the game has gotten a lot bigger. as i was there at the ryder cup watching some of the guys hit golf balls, he was 52 degrees out and these guys are using the track band and i'm looking at

the numbers, it's 53 degrees out. looking at the numbers going that just carries 305. we're looking at each other going and saying can you get one that far. >> rose: did you need to make any adjustments to your swing. >> that is something that has flown. it's ebbing and flowing. i'm making slight tweaks here and there. that is something i've always done. just making a little bit of tweaks. >> rose: that's the search for perfection. >> not perfection but professional excellence. we're not perfect but i changed the word to professional excellence. i'm thinking of trying to get what can i do as good as irch many. you were experimenting your game when you were winning every tournament you could see. >> i was doing that as a kid. always trying to get a little bit better. >> rose: mind sets.

will to win. clear headedness. that's there. sure. those who suggest vulnerable mean not just the game but vulnerableness about somehow not having the same sense of rightness that you had at the best of your game. >> when i played my best that was 16 years ago. and so most guys aren't jumping and doing 360 dunks at the age of 40, okay. most guys aren't taking off from the foul line and doing dunks at age 40. and so we have to make adjustments as we get older. i've done that throughout the years. and throughout different injuries, played around them. this is no different. >> rose: i do get the sense, though, that you don't want anymore surgeries. >> oh, god no. >> rose: well no for a different reason. you want to play with your kids and all that different kind of stuff.

you suggested that you've had it with surgery. >> seven's enough. >> rose: seven is enough. and part of the reason is you want to play the game and do these other things you don't want pain. >> i love playing soccer with my kids, tossing the ball around charily. i love doing that stuff. are you kidding me that's the best feeling in the world. >> rose: she plays -- >> she plays soccer. when i was hurt after the last surgery and i couldn't do any of that stuff for months at a time that was difficult. it was hard to take. daddy let's go play. daddy can't move. >> rose: i get the sense in terms of with a you're doing announcing the company that you are presented and -- prepared and golf is over to have another life. >> the tgr branding is bringing all my business under one umbrella. we've been existing but i'm setting up chapter 2 of my life. chapter 1 was the golfer, only

the golfer. i was playing golf winning golf tournaments. here i'm setting it up without hitting a golf ball and trying to create a business empire. and business entities and growing so i don't have to hit a golf ball. >> rose: and be a happy person. >> to do other things that are of my interest. the golfer can still be there. i can still play, i can still do those things, it's know mandatory for my business to grow ask for me to help kids with my foodation or the restaurant or the tgr design or all that stuff. i don't have to hit a golf ball. i can transition eventually transition into being strictly an entrepreneur. >> rose: and involved with the foundation and other things. >> a hundred percent. >> rose: what's interesting about you more than any athlete i know, it's not just you, it's us. we can't let you go. i mean there's a sense we never --

>> oh, you care. >> rose: yes. there is a sense that we never understood how it was to be so brilliant on a golf course. you couldn't get how one could be so dominant in a sport. we didn't understand how you could lose that either. and we desperately and i think this is everybody, because of the mystique and because of where it was and because of how it was lost, is to understand and to want you to come back. they want to see it, that kind of dominant the it's reflected in television readings. they want to see it one more time. you've thought about that. >> of course, charlie. i miss being out there, i miss competing, i miss being with the boys and coming down the stretch. >> rose: you like being tiger woods. >> i like beating those guys. that's why i practice all those hours. that's why i trained all those hours in a gym. i ran all those miles. it would be ready to take on those guys down the stretch. do i miss it?

absolutely a hundred percent. and to be at my age now at 40 years old, and to have gone through the things i've gone through physically. hey, i'm the first to admit, i can't do the things i used to be able to do. most people can't at my age versus when they were younger. i have to filed different ways to go about it. >> rose: you have to find other ways to win. >> yes, i do. but because of my mind set, i'm naturally a tact ition. i used my mind and eventually the method i used allowed me to master my craft. >> rose: that's what's so important. you trained your mind. you learned that from your father. >> correct. >> rose: you learned mental toughness. you learned how to win. you still have that, don't you. >> that part hasn't left me. i know how to get it done, i

have to get it done. >> rose: there's no coach or psychologist can tell you that. >> as an individual athlete, you're actually out there by yourself. joey's with me on the bag but no one's pulling the trigger. the manager's not coming in and bringing the writing in when you're struggling. you're by yourself. there's no time outs and i'm not feeling very good, we'll play, the guy off the bench, he'll come in and fill your role for the night. you're by yourself out there. >> rose: did you like that about the game. that's part of what you liked about it. >> i liked the grind of it and i liked the ownership of it. what i really loved is, and i still love is getting out there and figuring out a way to get it done. just figuring out a way. whatever you have, trying to figure out a way, dig down deep in myself to try to find a way to get it done.

it may not be pretty but finding a way to get it done. i have won golf tournaments as you know hitting four fairways left and right, missing greens and chipping in. >> rose: when it was almost dark and you didn't now how you could possibly see the hole. >> i'm a tiger, i'm a cat. night owl. >> rose: i don't want time to go by without saying. people understood when i grew up i was never the most talented, i was never the biggest or the fastest and never was the strongest. the only thing i had was my work ethics and that's what's gotten me this far. >> charlie you can't take that away from me. that's one thing you can't take away. >> rose: you're prepared. >> you can take away my physical attributes but you couldn't take away my mind. that's being prepared and having the mind set of preparing and bigging in and doing the work. i've never been afraid of that. >> rose: some have said to

beat tiger woods was both a gift and a burden. how is it a burden? >> well, it's a burden in a sense that the amount of obligations that i have at a tournament. anonymity that was lost. if you look back, the only regret i have in life is not spending another year at stanford. i only had one more year. >> rose: that's the only regret. >> that's the only regret i wish i had. >> rose: of all the things that's happened to you. >> all things i've learned and all the things i've been through are tough. yes they've been tough and great for me but i wish i would have gone one more year at stanford. >> rose: why do you say that. >> the amount of brilliant people that were there, the thins i was learning at that time. was i ready to turn pro? physically, yes. because i won a bunch of tournaments, i won the college time.

that was when the conferrence regionals and national's. >> rose: there are stories about you reading physics books and being fascinated by a whole range of things like that. you can always do that. >> being around those people at that age, you don't really get a chance to do that again and have two great years at stanford, it shaped me more than the years subsequent. those two years really did shape me with the amount of people plus going away from home for the very first i'm. and for me to feel at home and comfortable around some of the greatest athletes on the planet, some of the greatest minds on the planet and we're all so young and we're all doing it together. this is before the internet. so having the communication and trying to get through the study groups, you know, these one thing i do miss. >> rose: this was in the

90's. >> this was in the 90's, yes. >> rose: let me talk about how you became tiger, how you lost it and how you can regain it, we'll talk a little bit about that. why golf in the first place? >> well, that's a great question. i have played it basically all my life. i played baseball, i was a pitcher. i ran track and cross country. i liked doing those sports but i didn't love it. i kept coming back to golf. i kept finding myself running the miles in track and getting, especially cross country, getting all that mileage in to get ready to play golf. and when i was on the mound throwing, i'm thinking okay this is like number one, i've got to position my shot on the right side of the fairway so this fast ball's going to be outside. i kept positioning. my mind kept coming back to golf. whatever i was doing kept coming back to golf. >> rose: you watched your

father hit balls in the garage up against a net. >> i did. it was one of those el nino years. pops wasn't allowed to go out there and hit the amount of range balls he normally would because it was hosing down rain. storm after storm kept coming in southern cal. i just happened to be born december and the next year el nino hits and here i am. >> rose: talk about him, your relationship with imhad. >> well, my dad, he's a person i miss dearly. i think about him every day. he was more than just my dad. he was a person i could always turn to, a friend, a mentor. a leader. and then eventually a follower. and you know, he put on so many different hats and was

comfortable playing different roles. and that's something that you know i really miss. >> rose: what did he give you? >> my dad gave me so much. i mean, he gave me his heart, he gave me his soul. and the fact that we were able to have the conversations we were able to have through all my childhood and when i turned pro. even when he was sick and he was battling prostate cancer three times. he would always find time and somehow find a way to go talk to me. even if he wasn't feeling well he would sit up and we would have a great conversation. >> rose: let me ask about a couple things. number one the time i guess you jumped out of a plane at fort brag somewhere and your dad said now you know what my life is like. >> yes. jumping at the golden nights

there at fort brag. >> rose: what did he mean? >> well, it was, i had grown up playing at a military golf course and been around the military and been around active duty and retired servicemen my entire life. but i haven't experience what he got, what he had to do for his job. >> rose: the green beret. >> as a green beret. it's a transportation to get to your job. taking a car and for me to go to the golf course. he was jumping on an airplane. >> rose: but he said to know of you now you know what i do. i watch you and what you as a golfer and now you can see what made me. >> correct. the amount of physical work that it took for those guys to do what they do and still do. the operators that are operating in the past and currently. it is physically demanding, it's brutal. it's brutal on the body and it is even tougher on the mind. and so getting over fear and

relying on others not only to basically just save your life. that's something i never experienced. never understood. >> rose: he helped you understand fierceness. >> not necessarily understand it because i was always an adrenaline junkie to begin with but i understood where he was coming from now. >> rose: take a look at this video. he was here at this table sitting where you are. here's tiger's pop earl, here it is, rotate. >> maximize his opportunity for his own assets. and his own skills. i brought this out in him. he already had toughness. i might add. then i brought more to the table. taught him how to refine it and develop additional toughness on him through experiential. since that time, since he

graduated from what i called wood's finishing school he has exponentially gone even higher on the toughness scale. has even what i thought and it's surprising him. he has called me and says pop, i an getting so tough. every time i see him, and i've been around away from him a little while, i'm amazed how much tougher he is. the. >> that's cool. >> rose: to see him. >> that's cool to see him. >> rose: and what he said. toughness, people believe that what you have had on the course certainly at the best of those years, when you had such a remarkable spectacular run, that it was toughness, that you were mentally cover than everybody else. >> i just knew i was going to beat you. >> rose: you did. >> i did. >> rose: but it was part of what happened to you. you were expected to win. >> that's fine.

but i expect to win as well. and the toughness, i think the toughness came in through practice. as you were alluding to, hard work. and me working hard and really feeling comfortable and hitting all the shots and pulling it off. all the shots you see people off i've already pulled off. i did it in practice. if i can do it there, i can do it anywhere. >> rose: you're convinced you worked harder than everybody else. >> it's something i may not have. >> rose: hogan felt that too. >> i just know that as i alluded to, i wasn't always the biggest, i wasn't fastest. i wasn't the most gifted. but you can't take away my work ethic. >> rose: but you want it more. >> i want to beat more. >> rose: is this the same competitiveness that michael jordan has. >> i don't know, you know. >> rose: you know michael. >> i do know michael. and michael's tough and he loves winning.

he loves beating people. and i think there's a certain commonality between all levels. forget athletes but for all professions, i think he just enjoys getting better and being the best. >> rose: what happens when they beat you. >> you go back to the drawing board and do it again. >> rose: is that right. >> absolutely. >> rose: there's always another day you'll be back and i'll beat you. >> my winning percentage is not very high. you know. we lose more golf tournaments than we win. it's like a baseball player. if you hit 300 then you're in the hall of fame. so you lose 70% of the time but you're one of the best whose ever played. so in my sport it's the same way. winning is not very high but it's still ear funny way to come back and get it done. >> rose: how do you measure the best to ever play golf. is it jack simply because he has 18 majors, or is it some general appraisal that simply that person had more than talent and

applied it better than anybody? >> it's a great question because we never played against each other except one time when we played with each other in 2000. when you cross generations to see whose better in all sports. for me i would take my school up against jack any day and i'm sure he would feel the same way. >> rose: do you believe you'll get 18 majors? to be honest with you, no. >> rose: you don't. >> no. >> rose: you've accepted that. >> i've accepted i'm going to get more. >> rose: you're 40. jack won the masters when he was 46. >> yes. >> rose: you got to get started soon. >> soon or not, i need to get started and be ready to go. >> rose: when your dad died

and you took his body back to kansas did that take somebody out of you. >> having to bury my father, that was very difficult. i never lost a parent. my mom's still alive and that was the first person that has ever been close to me that i've had to go to a funeral and bury. and it happened to be the person i was closest to. >> rose: the motion influential person in your life bar none. >> correct. but also the person i was closest to. i don't know if i'm in it, if i'm the only one who ever felt that way. but it hurt a lot. i grieved. i didn't grieve right away. i put it away for a while. and i missed the cut at the u.s. open. i played and then i still hadn't really grieved yet. but then i came back and i played really well and for some reason it was the most

interesting thing going out there and playing the final round. i had this overwhelming sense of calm. like okay, what is this feeling, you know. normally you're pretty jacked up to play. you're in the majors and you get a chance to win and i did. i had the lead. but all of a sudden i felt this overwhelming calmness and it's like my pop was there. then i finished the 18 and i never cry. but this started coming out and i couldn't control it. i just missed my dad and i knew right then that he would never witness this again. and that was really hard to take. >> rose: he treated you like an adult. >> he did. one of the things i do with my kids that he did with me is any time we talked, he would always make sure that he was always at eye level. and so when he was up above me, he would always sit down. if he was laying down towards the end of his life and he was

the feeling very good he would sit up. so we would be eye level now. he would come up and we would always work at eye level. that is something that i think is so important. he never talked down to anybody, he never talked down to his child. we were communicating. >> rose: there were times in which you were estranged from him. yes? >> i don't know what you mean bias stranged. >> rose: meaning you too were not getting along because you had some questions and your mother knew he was sick. this is what he said. i'm asking you if it's true. >> it's perfectly a natural thing for everybody to do. >> rose: and your mother said you have to go make up with your father you don't know how long he's going to live and if you don't you'll regret it the rest of your life. >> i wouldn't say we were that far apart, not like that. we were still in communication. we were still talking. but i needed to get my

relationship back to where it used to be. >> rose: what was wrong with it. >> you know, i think when -- >> rose: what was wrong with it. >> when dad was sick, he really said some pretty outlandish things and i think it was just him being sick but i took it personal. so i said hey, do you know what, hey, you've been really sick and the meds you've been on, he's been all over the shop. his diabetes was really bad. i didn't understand it at the time because i was still playing golf and focusing on things i needed to do. a couple times when he was really sick, he would say, you know, hey kentucky how was kentucky last week. i said dad, i was here with you yesterday. but that's, he said some pretty outlandish things at the time. and chalk it up to being sick, but he gave me one last hoorah. about two weeks before he died, he gave me one last hoorah and it was a talk that we talked for

about an hour and-a-half. but it was, my dad was old. and he gave me one last bit of himself and then from then on, he quickly eroded and then finally passed away. >> rose: would you be the golfer you are without your dad. >> no. >> rose: you would not the champion that you became. >> without my dad or my mother. there's no way. >> rose: both of them. >> there's no way. >> rose: because your mother stood by you and stood by him. >> my mother was so supportive and so loyal and so great as a mother, that there's no way. >> rose: she was also supportive after thanksgiving 2009 when you had a public humiliation. tell me about dealing with that. >> my mom was my mom which was great. she became a mother. >> rose: she said. >> she says i'm always here. i love you no matter what. and she gave me a bunch of big hugs. and that was really cool.

did i mess up? absolutely. but my mom was still there for me. because i didn't have my dad anymore. it is just her and i. >> rose: some would suggest obviously that that humiliation you went through publicly, your private life exposed, has a lingering effect on your mind and your game. >> i've heard that too. >> rose: i know. >> i look at the fact that yeah, i made a bunch of mistakes but in the end, my exwife, she's one of my best friends. we have two beautiful kids. and we have better communication than we've ever had. and i have talked to her about my life almost on a daily basis and she does the same. so, it was rough to go through but in the end, you know, here we are better than we've ever been. >> rose: how do you tell your kids why mommy and daddy do not live together.

>> it's because daddy made some mistakes. daddy made mistakes and i would much rather have them hear it from me. >> rose: do you sit them down and say i regret what i did. >> no, i don't say that. i say everybody makes mistakes and the reason why mommy's living in her house and daddy is living in his house is because daddy made mistakes and it's okay. but do you know what, you guys are so lucky to have two parents that love you so much. not everyone has that. i was lucky enough to have two lucky parents, two loving parents. my father did not. his parents died by the time he was 11 or 13. he grew up without having parents. my mom's parents died early. and so that to me i think is important in the end is that my kids know that no matter what happens, that they always have dad. dad will always be there. and mom will always be there. she said we just don't live together physically. but emotionally and spiritually, we were always there with him. >> rose: you feel like you've

apologized to everybody you need to apologize to. >> yes. >> rose: in terms of family and people that you care about. >> yes. >> rose: did it make you more vulnerable. >> i wouldn't say more vulnerable as a word. >> rose: what would you say? >> i had to be honest with myself. and that's part of going through what i went through is i messed up. i shunned away a lot of things. i didn't communicate with for instance elan very well. and i learned from it. and flip side, fast forward, i'm a better communicator now. i talk to people more on a deeper level and i learned a lot. >> rose: if she's still giving you then that's the starting point for you. >> she freed me a long time ago. but we worked so hard on creating an environment for our kids. and as i said, she's one of my best friends. and to go, not too many people

can say that about their ex's that they're their best friends. >> rose: so your dad is gone, humiliation which you've dealt with and then there's injuries. when you look at losing it, are those three things responsible or is it something we don't know or understand? why has tiger woods not won a major since 2009. >> eight. >> rose: but at the same time tiger woods has had good seasons like 2013 after player of the year, after all those things. i'm struggling to understand why you're not playing like you used to play. as i assume you are. and if you don't know though, how can anybody else know. there are all kinds of suggestions by all kinds of people. >> oh yeah, there's a lot of armchair quarterbacking. >> rose: yes is indeed. >> i've had three back operations and that's taken its toll on me. >> rose: you're not the

athlete physically. >> i've torn an kill ease, attorney meniscus. i've gone through a lot of. changed my wife three times. >> rose: because of the pain and because of the surgery. >> trying to get around certain injuries and not duplicate them. >> rose: what's the best advice you've gotten for getting back to where you want to be. >> he always said to me you get out of it what you put into it. if you work hard you'll get the ruts. if you don't work hard you're not and more importantly you didn't deserve it because you didn't go out there and earn it. >> rose: how much of it is physical and how much of it is mental. >> for me, the mental comes from the physicality.

from having umpteen great practice sessions and training sessions at home and going out on the golf course with the guys and eventually taking that into a tournament setting and eventually down the stretch of a tournament and then eventually into major championships and the end of a major. all though progressions that all starts with hitting putts. learn from putting, chipping, drivers, you know. it is a progression and doesn't happen over theta and takes a lot of effort. >> rose: that's what will get you back. >> absolutely. >> rose: >> rose: but the mental part. everybody knew you had early when you went to the u.s. amateur, you had all the tools. but the mental stuff was so important. i mean you wanted to win and you want to win and you also didn't just want to win, you didn't want to win that tournament, you want to beat the hell out of everybody who was there. that was the mind set that you

had. you were a killer. a killer. >> winning was fun but beating someone is even better. >> rose: why is that. >> i don't know. when you win a race, you win a meet by a second or two it's a lot better if you beat it by five or six. trying four or five guys out but do you know what throwing it is even better. winning golf tournaments by one or two is great but five or six is even better. >> rose: it must be terribly hard for you to accept this. >> it's been terribly hard not to be able to do the things it would take for me to get to that level. that is simply just practicing. >> rose: you have a strong confident than your dad in hard

work. >> no. for me -- >> rose: hogan believed the same thing. that's how ben hogan came back from a car accident. he always said it's in the dirt. >> correct. you got to go earn it. >> rose: but you also seem to be looking for all these swing coaches and touch that somehow they will have a swing that will work best for you. i wonder whether you need a swing coach because you had a pretty good swing. but you're saying you have to adjust a new swing because of the hoomrus and it changed your body. >> correct. having the mind set, the correct mind set to go into a change and apply it to creating a whole new method that i think would be better and more efficient and that's what i was always trying and striving to do. that's why i've gone through swing coaches and hurt my body. let's not repeat that, let's go somewhere else and try a

different way. i believe in that mind set. let's create this method and go down that road and the next thing you know crap that deposit work. just can around and do it again. >> rose: how much is this. there are people who described you, you were so self focused and thinking about the game and you didn't seem to pay attention to other people. yes? >> the people who are closest to me yes and also then again uncomfortable being out in public. >> rose: was it more shyness than arrogance and being a jerk. >> i was always very shy. when i was little i had a peach impedment and i went to a program learning how to speak correctly. i sat in the back of the class. if you ever called upon me i couldn't speak. i would stutter so badly the

teacher would pass on me and go to the next student. i had to learn how to speak. that was hard. i could read and right but i couldn't speak. i didn't want to talk to anybody. having to go through that difficult time early on in my childhood, it probably would shape me to what i am now. >> rose: people have said to me to know golf and know you saying they believe you can come back. because they believe that the elite can come back. but it believes, it's the belief and it's also making sure that you face the new reality which is what you're talking about. the new reality is i hit it differently today. i have to compensate because to figure out a new way to win. >> as i said most 40 year olds can't dunk from the foul line. so i have to do it a different

way, okay. that's part of the evolution of my game and it's part of the evolution of sports. you got to find a different way to do it. there's nothing wrong with that. as you alluded to jack won the masters at age 46. >> rose: almost won at 59. >> but those guys weren't driving over the bunkers. they weren't overpowering golf courses, they did it with their mind, they did it strategically and through patience. >> rose: that's what you can do now. >> that's what i had done in the past but also i had a physicality to go with it. >> rose: so you lost a little bit of the physicality. >> yes. >> rose: you can't drive over the bunker. >> well the bunker's now a 320. >> rose: ideal. when you were at your best the idea of laying up was not something, that was not an idea that went into your head. >> because of the fact that i could not only pull off the shots but i was far enough down there. relative to the field i was one of the longest players but that

was at 296. >> rose: now it's 320. >> the carry number when i first came out on tour, 20 or 30 guys persymen, my comfort was 280 now i can come out of a chair and hit a 280. it's a completely different game than what it was then. the game of golf got so much bigger, it's longer. relevant -- relative to the field i'm not quite what i used to be but numbers wise i am what i used to be. >> rose: it's also said you don't intimidate like you used to and that was part of what you hod. you would intimidate everybody. you came expecting to win and when they saw you they expected to lose. >> i don't know what you were thinking but i expected to win. >> rose: you expected to win as you said to one person i'm expected to win. that's the demand on me is

because what i've achieved. >> forget what i've achieved, i expect to win and i expect to beat you because of the work i put in and the belief i have. >> rose: you have to work hard but you're saying they can't work as hard as i can. >> i don't know how they work and i don't know how they derive their own confidence u their own self belief. actice, some like to play different tournaments and feel competitiveness that way. i have, from most of the part of my career since probably 99, i really haven't played that much. some guys will place close to 0 events. i've never that. >> rose: you saved it for the majors. >> i try to peak four times a year. when i was younger it was harder because i only had the you're one time a year. >> rose: you won three in a row. >> three years in a row and the amateur. and the 2a. i did that a couple years. then hammer for three years.

and as a pro, you have four times. >> rose: when do you think you'll come back. >> i'm hoping to come back in december. >> rose: you are. you're not going to play in the turkey thing. >> no. >> rose: but in december. >> in december, yes. >> rose: you believe you can do that. you'll be ready. something will happen between withdrawing from safeway and peteing this. >> more hard work. >> rose: there you go. this game, i want to talk about the game too. of all the tournaments which one meant the most to you. when you got your first masters when you were 21. >> meant the most or the hardest to win. >> rose: both. >> meant the most the 97 masters. the hardest to win -- >> rose: that was the worse one. >> meant the most was the 97 masters and the hardest to win was the last one in 08. my life was broken. >> rose: right. and you played through that. >> yes. i was broken. >> rose: how did you do that. >> hell if i know. i look back on those days and i

don't know how i pulled it off. >> rose: you said to me today which i believe what you love about the game is winning but more specifically beating somebody. that's what you love. >> that's fun. >> rose: what is it about the military. is it about the navy seals that had you so engaged, obsessed, admiring. >> well, i grew up, my dad was in special forces in the green beret so being around special forces operators all my life, i've seen that will. is it difficult, absolutely, yes. but it's also comfortable to me, i was raised in it. some of my dad's best friends were operators. either currently at the time or formally retired and then the guys who were operating became retired and we still play golf.

and so to me, that was a world that i had grown up in. and so was it a big jump for me to participate and see it? in a different late? not really because i've seen it all my life. being a military brat that's kind of what i was used to. >> rose: one of your caddies said you talked about giving up golf to become a navy seal. did you? >> well i told my dad at a very early age that i want to become a person in the military or eventually become a golfer or businessman. i got a chance to become a golfer and businessman, i was missing the military. >> rose: arnold palmer died within the last couple weeks. what did he mean to you? >> he was a friend. a person that i could pick up the phone and call and we'd rap

about different things. and the conversations i had with him and the dinners with him, some were great memories. probably one of the fondest memories i had was in college in nappy. i go and have dinner with him in napa and honor picked up the tag. i was a college student. my coach found out, did you pick up the tab. no arnold did. i reported in and declared ineligible. i go all american el paso. i have to write an arnold palmer for my steak for the dinner. he had to cash the check and then i was declared to play in

all american. >> rose: how about jack nicklaus. >> what about him. >> rose: what's your relationship with him. you believe he is the greatest golfer ever to live. >> i think i'm pretty good too. >> rose: you think you're better than nicholas. >> i think he and i would have hell of a duel. >> rose: even though he has 18 and you have 14. >> i think right now i could kick his as. >> rose: really. right now. >> yes, he's 71. >> rose: true. >> okay. but no, i think that jack has always been one of my heroes. i looked up to him. >> rose: you left it for his record. >> i wouldn't say left it for his record but i would say that was the gold standard because i had won the most majors and the second most tour events. and so he was the most efficient, i think of the highest level for the longest period of time.

and how did he do it. one, he didn't play that much either. he played a very limited schedule. and he paced himself and basically tried to get ready four times a year. and he was better at it than anybody else had come along. walter hagan's record at 1 didn. >> rose: there was another interview i think with "time" magazine that in fact anything i win from now on is gravy because you know you're in the hall of fame you know you're in the record books you know there are people still regardless how many you win say you're the greatest because they saw that run and they saw the level of that game and they never seen anything like that. there was famous the comment bobby jones made about jack, i never seen. that's not a game i'm with this. and jack said supposedly about

that that's not a game i'm familiar with. >> again it's a generational thing t what jack was doing like oh my god. where i was hitting it, jack couldn't hit the that far. technology has changed, it's changed greatly. i was able to do things that jack wasn't able to do because of the equipment. jack was able to do things that bobby jones couldn't do because of the equipment. but one commonality is that we're all efficient at what we did. and we did it better than most people did. >> rose: someone else says to me that the great never loses the fire, they only lose their ability. that's true, isn't it. >> there comes a point in time when yes physically i won't be able to do it. >> rose: how will you know and how do you know that's not now. >> i won't be able to prepare, to be ready to go out there and win. and for me if i'm not able to

prepare to win, then i can't do it anymore. >> rose: what do you want to be known for other than a great golfer and a great businessman? >> my foundation. what we've done for all the kids. all the kids have come through our learning labs, what we're doing for digital expansion, trying to help with millions of kids not just here domestically but internationally as well. i think that what i do in chapter 2 of my life with this whole new rebranding with tgr, i think the whole second part of my life will probably be even better and more impactful than what i dids a golfer. hitting high draw and high fade and making a couple putts. i think what we're doing to impact lives is going to far exceed what i've done on a golf course. >> rose: take for example bill gates. bill gates is now known more for his philanthropy and done in global health and the most successful in business. >> a hundred percent agree. >> rose: those what you -- >> that's an example what can

happen. >> rose: you think that's possible for you. >> that's a great example what can happen. >> rose: right now you're going to try to be both, be the greatest golfer in the world and educate through the woods foundation. >> i've been doing this for half my life. >> rose: and so if it ends today, what is the legacy you want? >> a pretty good player. i had some good years in there and wonnity vents. i really loved competing. i loved being out there and i loved being in that moment trying to pull off something. whether i did or didn't, to have that opportunity to have that moment fail or succeed, it was on me. it was at that moment. that is fine. >> rose: thank you for coming. >> thank you charlie. thanks for having me. >> rose: thank you. tiger woods for the hour. thank you for joining us.

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