>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, breaking down the election that stunned the country. governor chris christie breaks his silence it in an can exclusive interview. and "the front page" returns to broadway. >> it's interesting for an audience today, you know, the best thing you can tell someone about a play is that it's 90 minutes with no intermission. ( laughter ) and they're thrilled. they don't care what it's about. "you mean i'm in and out and i can tell people i saw it?" you know, and this is-- this is asking people to have a little patience. >> rose: we will have those stories and for on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and

information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so it began how. >> this incredible sight. >> rose: is this luck? >> revolutionary fervor. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> these guys anyhow what they were doing. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. this was the week donald trump won a historic election to become the 45th president of the united states. allied forces launched a push to oust isis from raqqa. and garth brook took home top honors as country music's entertainer of the year. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. >> on your mark. >> a 20-year-old runner from err traya became the youngest man to win the new yorky marathon. >> a massive sinkhole on a city street in japan prompted the evacuation of nearby residents. no injuries have been reported.

>> rose: iraq investigates a mass grave. >> it's still not known if the bodies inside the grave are civilians or military or both. >> rose: country music's big night. ♪ a little stronger >> len arld cohen, the legendary singer, songwriter, poet, and novelist has died. >> i never thought about it as a career. i always wanted to be paid for my work but i didn't want to work for pay. >> rose: former attorney general janet reno dies at 78. >> there's so much to do in this country, we should be about doing it in a positive way. ♪ oh, but ain't that america >> rose: donald trump wins with a rebellion in the rust belt ♪ ain't that america something to see, baby ♪ >> it is time for us to come together as one united people. >> the pollsters are dead wrong. their predictions weren't worth the paper that they were printed on. >> we owe him an open mind and

the chance to lead. ( cheers ). >> i believe the american people made a choice that they believe will help their lives, and everybody is entitled to make that decision, whether or not you agree with them. ( applause ) >> let's look on the bright side. you know that lie we tell kids, "you can be president." it's true now. ( laughter ) literally, anyone can be president. ♪ oh, but ain't that america for you and me ♪ >> rose: president-elect donald trump's stunning victory tuesday sent shockwaves around the world. fueled by a larger of this han-expected rebellion in the rust belt, it goes down as one of the biggest political upsets in american history. the republicans also maintain control of the senate and for the fourth straight election the house of representatives. we have been gathering reaction and analysis on the election and its consequences. >> i think we have to give him a lot of credit.

he started out this campaign with a very clear and simple message, that talked about the state of the country, talked about immigration, talked about national identity in ways that most candidates, most politicians were not willing to talk about. and he found and had an instinct that there was an audience out in america that was hungering for that kind of-- that kind of message. >> rose: john dickerson, how was he able to address them in a way that resonated with them better than anybody else? >> well, he talked not to them but for them. he made a gut-level emotional connection to those voters who felt they had been ignored and betrayed, betrayal being a big part of it. and he-- he-- he got them. he understood them. >> rose: karl? >> he was able to really play on his outsider status, right. that resonated with people. hillary is the ultimate insider to a lot of americans when trump would say, you know, she had experience, it's all the bad kind." one thing that stuck out to me

was in the senate races. huevan baey, russ fine gold, two big names in politics running for their old seats, totally expected to win and were thoroughly rejected. they think shows trump has tapped into this dea, people want something new here. they don't want to try the same old stuff, and it worked for him. >> rose: i was also struck, and i bring this up now, the idea that he described what he was about as a movement. not that he created it but that he identified with it. and it was always, "this is not just a campaign. this is about a movement." >> right. he's an egotist, and he really enjoyed being out there and talking to the crowd and feeding off the energy of the crowd. in a way, it's similar to bill clinton, where they had a hard time getting him off stage. and as the great maggie hibrimof the "new york times" pointed out, made it clear she didn't like campaigning. she was just kind of tapping her foot, and the subtext of her

campaign wasn't a agreement vision. it was, "it's my turn, damn it." so that's not an attractive vision. >> rose: okay. how did it look from europe and from london? >> there is a bit of brexit about this. i don't want to get procol here. but, you know, the whole press, the media, they wrote off the euro skeptics. they never said britain would leave e.u. and similarly, people never predicted-- or hardly ever predicted-- that donald trump a real estate mogul with no experience in government whatsoever, no policies to speak of, we don't know who his team is, and yet he can win the white house and absolutely thump hillary clinton, the ultimate establishment candidate. and he had a really clever slogan, simple, stripped down, "change. the we want to make america great," which appeals both to people who feel that they've been left behind, marginalized

by globalization. but also appealing to a kind off cultural nostalgia about a better america a non-p.c. america. >> rose: the election may be over, but the deep divides that have fractured american politics are not. where does the country go from here? an important question facing america. >> i think one of the most important things, somehow, is to make the american people believe again that people in political life can do things that will make the country better. i mean, you've got this changing america as people have side sade. a lot of people are frightened by the change, the pace of the change, the changing minorities getting more power and more numbers eventually than the whites are going to have. there are answers to some of these things but it's going to depend upon the people of the country believing that politicians can make a difference. and that's what's lost of lost. this election has produced a

contagion of pessimism and we have to turn it around to our normal american optimism once again. >> rose: jeff greenfield is shaking his head. i don't know if it's because he's pessimistic. >> i'm pessimistic. try to imagine the new president or congress crossing the line given the pressures on them from their base is to me to create almost a-- an illusion. in other words, i know what the words are that everybody thinks they ought to say. but the minute that the base of the republican party says to their leadership, "you've betrayed us before. we know what russia is telling us." the minute-- "if somebody wants to cross party lines to the democratic side, and the sanders-warren wing says, no, no, no, now you're a corporate centrist. >> rose: like said in the campaign. >> the difference between where the parties were and where they are now and the belief that the other side is not just wrong but evil has permeated this political system. and that's why i'm a pessimist. >> that's-- i-- i hate to agree

but-- ( laughter ) >> there's a first time for everything. >> it's not that i'd hate to agree with you, but i'd hate to agree with that set of facts. but it's very hard to see people being willing to risk their own political lives in order to do the right thing for the country. >> rose: so how did we come to these deep divisions? was it because somehow that the congress became polarized and fed off the of this? you have gerrymandering and all of that and redistricting? is that the essence of it? >> every 50, 75 years it happens, which is some major realignment. i mean, it happened with teddy roosevelt and taft and a split in parties and a progressivism. you have a real hunger in america among, you know, republicans of the sort of established school of republicans and some sen rift democrats that say, "this is wacky." >> i think the industrial revolution does give us a parallel to some of the feerlz we have today. i mean, think of it then, as you

said, people are moving from the farms to the city. lots of immigrants are coming in from abroad. the pace of life has sped up so much that people feel we don't even know the country anymore. all this technological change has taken place with telephones and telegraphs and eventually-- and there was populism and anxiety and demagogues as a result of all that. and then eventually that got channeled into the progressive part of the republican expaert teddy roosevelt, and change took place in a rational way and things began to feel better. so now we've got a very similar situation with the technological revolution, where the globalization, with people feeling the country is changing beyond what at the present times to see its doing, fear of all that. they've still got to believe leadership, somehow, if it gets mobilized, can channel those fears and anxieties into a positive direction. >> rose: for three years, questions over new jersey governor's chris christie's alleged role in the bridgegate scandal have overshadowed his

presidential bid and cast doubt over his political future. last friday, two of christie's former aides were convicted in a scheme to punish a local mayor who did not endorse him, by creating traffic jams at the george washington bridge. and last sunday, the governor finally broke his silence, and proclaimed his innocence in an exclusive interview at his home. >> no person has ever testified, even the convicted felons haven't testified that we said to the governor, "this was an act of political retribution," and he said, "okay." nobody's ever said that charlie. but if you of you read want stuff in the papers you would think that's what happened. >> rose: when did you first know that was happening? >> first week of october. remember, these traffic studies hammond the first week of september. first week of october, i saw a story in the "wall street journal" talking about this traffic problem in september, and the fact that the port authority said it was a traffic -- >> this was when? >> first week of october 2013.

and i then went to my chief of staff and my chief counsel and said to them-- i handed them the story and said, "find out what's going on with this, would you please." charlie mckena my chief counsel came back a day or two later and said i spoke to bill barroney at the port authority, he said it was a traffic study, it was in the normal course of about business, and the people of new york are just raising a big stink over it, but don't worry about it. >> rose: you realized this was abnormal and wanted to know why. >> i didn't realize it was abnormal, charlie. what i realized was it in the newspaper. imagine this context-- i'm in the middle of a re-election campaign. when i find out about this i'm 30 days away from a re-election campaign. and i'm sensitized to everything. >> rose: and you want to have a strong election because you are thinking of the presidency. >> first i wanted to be reelected. >> rose: but if you have a big margin it will make the opportunity better. >> it will make me a more important voice in politics absolutely and a more importance

in my state we have 566 mayors in new jersey. >> rose: you want every one of them to endorse you. >> and i know every one of them is not going to. let me tell thu-- had of if you had come to me on october 1, 20 13 and asked who the mayor of fort lee was, i wouldn't be able to tell you. >> rose: there are some who say this is the way politics is played in new jersey. >> it is the way politics is played everywhere in terms of sterving all those constituencies. if the constituencies are happy with you, they asked you to vote for you. >> rose: i think they're talking about punishing people who don't support you. >> there is the evidence that. people take one senior staffer, one instance and try to makeit out to be a culture. you know why? because they couldn't prove i had anything to do with it. the fallback position is-- wait a second, though. the fall-back position is if you can't prove somebody did it, you say you created a culture. >> rose: that's not their

argument. their sawrmt not that you had nothing to do with it. not that you conceived it. they're saying they told you and you didn't do anything it bit. >> if you listen to what they said, they said they told me there was a traffic study being done. all three of them. >> right. >> charlie, why would i think anything was wrong with that, that a traffic study was being done. >> rose: because you would know closing these lanes would create real problems-- their lives? >> >> first they didn't say they were closing lanes. look at the testimony. >> rose: one of the reasons you want to set the record straight is because of this fact-- people look at this trial and they view it-- even though you were not on trial-- >> you would think i was, though, wouldn't you? >> rose: indeed, indeed, both in terms of the defense and the prosecution. >> sure. >> rose: that you were on rose: what did it do toy your family? >> awful. my wife and my children having to read this stuff every day which they know is untrue. liars sitting on the witness stand, three of them, lying about their husband can and

their father. it's been awful time for us. awful. because they would say to me, "defend yourself." i'd say, "listen, you can't interfere with a trial. i wasn't called as a witness. i had no ability to bably to defend myself. and that's why i'm here with you, because i'm not going to stay silent any longer. >> rose: there is a striking new building in the nation's capital, the national museum of african american history and can culture is the last major structure planned for the national mall. the lead architect for the newly opened museum was david adjai. >> we decide we would actually directly not just look at architectural references for good types of spaces but also look at the history of the african american community, their roots in africa, their migration-- you know, the slave trade, the sort of settlement in the south of america, the

migration to the urban cities. and the way in which they sort of professionalized and became very integrated into american society spp that became clues for deciding everything from the shape of the building, which is inspired by shrines through to the detail of the metal work, which is really inspired by the kind of philip simmons ironwork from north carolina, that wonderful architecture. and the narrative of the building, which is more like a tree than a traditional architecture. you go from the crypt underground, knowing the underworld, the histories and you rise up to the top as though you're looking through a tree to the landscape where you get to the top and you have celebration of the community's contribution to american culture. >> rose: and the challenge of being on the mall. your next door is the washington monument. >> yes. >> rose: so what choices did you decide to make there. it was-- it was important that, you know, that this incredible site, you know, probably one of

the most cherished sites on the planet, where the founding fatherrers laid out, the pal as of cult our one side, and the memorial grounds with its monuments and shrines to american cult outer other. and we were absolutely on the crux of those two areas. soimented to make a building that was both a monument and a museum, sort of looking both ways, acknowledging both issued. so, you know, for instance in the building's geometry, i became very kind of interested in making sure that we made relationships to washington's monument, which-- we knew we were going to be now photographed with our building forever. it could stand starkly against it, but i chose that we should go and rhyme with it. so the 17-degree angle of the pyramid at the top of the building became the guiding angle for the sort of tiers of the corona. and once we did that, it's been beautiful to watch how as you move around the building it fusing and disengages and creates a wonderful relationship, i believe.

>> rose: "the front page "is back on broadway, the revival of its classic farce about the h.d. day of tabloid journalism is directed by jack o'brien. it features an all-star ensemble cast, including nathan lane and john goodman. >> it's a great american play that could have only been written here at that particular time when things were popping all over the place. and it-- it covers a wide range of topics. but it does so with human characters. i've never-- i haven't done a style like this since i was at college doing a restoration piece. it's different from anything i'd ever done, and i'm so glad i was asked on board because it's-- it's a challenge-- it's a challenge, for me, but it's so much damn fun. >> rose: nathan.

>> most people associate this with "his girl friday" which was a great idea by howard hawks to make hildty johnson a woman. and they created sort of the first screwball comedy. but the play is not screwball com-- dee. it's dark comedy mixed with melodrama that somehow by the third act spins into the edge of farce. so it's highly unusual because it's-- it was put together by jed harris, who is the producer, and got the manuscript. gave it to george f. kaufman, one of the great men of the theater, director and writer and said, "fix this." so it has this very authentic feel because they came from that world. and it also has the hand of george kaufman-- you know, it's a three-act play structure, and it's very much in the tradition of his plays, which is the first act is set up, the second sact complications and things start getting really funny, and the third act is hilarious and

everything you've seen pays off in a delightful and satisfying way. it's interesting for an audience today. the best thing you can tell them is there is no intermission. they'll thrid. you mean i'm in and out and i can tell people i saw it. this is asking people to have a little patience. and it's worth-- it's worth it by the end. because these guys knew what they were doing. and it was, as john said, it is the most fun i've had in a long time. but it is-- it is technically a hard play to do. it just-- it's demanding. >> rose: what's the thrill for you, jack? everything that nathan and john are talking about, but you're a director. >> the thrill, basically sto get the opportunity -- >> to hang out. >> to hang out with these people, and then actually watch it happen pap because if you're right, it should go off. if you're wrong, you're going to screw it up.

when you suddenly see the leavening happen and the chemistry between them, and may i say the mutual respect that this company generates, and it's that good a pieces of material, then you can just sort of say, "we're in good shape here. this is well worth our time." i was saying, you know, to the company the other day that we play till february and she i don't want anybody to space out a single minute because this is the mother load that we need to know that we can go through less-good material in the future and hold our heads up basically because we did this and we did it right. ?oept ♪ we'll be drinking champagne we'll be drinking champagne ♪

>> rose: taylor goldsmith is the lead singer and guitarist for the band bawes. they have been called the best band you never heard of. their new album is called, "we're all gonna die." >>ic i think folk is more of an ideal now. it's so impossible to put into any sonic terms or sonic context. i feel like folk just means a sense-- it's a matter of perspective. you know, if someone is more lyric conscious or focused or if that's a priority at all for an artist, people are going to say the words "country" or "folk." it doesn't matter if it sounds like lady gaga. that's just going to be the way people interpret it. >> rose: you would much rather be in a live show than record naig studio. >> i feel more comfortable on stage. in a studio, we made five records and they've been fun but they last about a month each. each time i go in i still feel

green. i feel lieb this is brand new to me. and on stage, it can change over the course, from night to night, but also just from song to song, where all of a sudden i feel connected and i feel we're all communicating in a way that we can't otherwise, audience and band. >band. >> rose: and do you feel some sense the audience comes in without a perception of you and what you can do within that three hours-- or however long it is-- you can checkthem in terms of how they see you or what they know about you? >> i think it's something you earn. i don't think it's a simple thing. you're going to come in and here and you're going to be quiet and i want to get to those slow ballads where everyone plays and sings softly. and i want to feel like you wanted to be quiet and engage with us on this. i like the idea of looking-- looking at the relationship between a band and-- or an artist and an audience as a dance, and we kind of have to get to this place where we're in line with each other. and when-- when you guys want to

get big or we want to get big, we all want to go there together. when we want to tbring down and get intimate, they want to do the same thing. ♪ you just roll with the punches until you can't feel a thing ♪ >> rose: you had this interesting comment that art sometimes makes a suggestion. >> i feel like for me there are so many artists that-- that can make a mere announcement, where-- and it can be very effective, where it can-- i can sit here with an acoustic guitar and say, "she left me. i'm alone. i'm sad sm. and that's going to-- that's going to make someone feel empathet toik a certain agree ke "oh, that's a sad story." i feel like if you leave it at that, it can sort of leave someone hanging. whereas the great stuff thas an opportunity to offer a means of moving forward. something that-- that, like i said, offers a suggestion, where you can-- you can take something and learn from it and feel empowered or feel edified

because of what the music has brought you through, rather than just drag you through the mud. >> rose: here is a look at the week ahead. sunday is the first anniversary of the paris terror attacks. monday is the day president obama leaves on a week-long trip to greece, germany, and peru. tuesday is the day tom hanks is honored at the museum of modern art film benefit in new york. wednesday is the day the national book awards are presented. thursday is the day the new vintage of this wine is released in france. friday is the day harry potter spin-off "fantastic beast and where to find them" opens in theaters nationwide. saturday is the first day of the national dog show in philadelphia. and here is what's new for your weekend: the batachron theater in paris, closed since last

year's terror attacks, reopens with a charity concert by sting. garth brooks releases his new album "gun slinger. slinger." and the radio city christmas spectacular begins its annual run in new york city. ♪ like a partridge in a pear tree ♪ >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. on behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we will see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.o

>> good evening. i'm mark of bloomberg television filling in for charlie rose who son assignment. on occasion of this veterans day, we begin the program with charlie's 2006 conversation with a group of middle east veterans. paul rieckhoff, daniel anfang and david myers. >> less than #% of the population served in iraq and afghanistan in. world war ii you had 10 or 11%. when you come home, looks like most of america is looking at britney spears or madonna when you have friends in a combat environment. it affects the entire dynamic, it's different because it's such a small percentage of the overall population and the american public is so removed from it. >> we continue with remembrance