>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, president obama reflects on the election and its outcome. bernie sanders' advice to democrats. and hard-luck ballards bring good luck to country music's margot price ♪ i'm dreaming of that highway, baby, that stretches out of sight ♪ and it's all american made >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and

information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? >> on many, many glooshz is it luck at all or is it something else? >> america is an anomaly. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> songs change meaning over time. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: this was the week president obama made an official trip to europe. president-elect trump prepared for his first meeting with a foreign leader. and colson white had won the national book award for fiction for his novel "the underground railroad." here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. gwen ifill dies at 61. >> whatever mood you were in before you met with gwen you left it with joy in your heart. >> the obama campaign provided a frame for a story it turns out i had been writing my whole life. >> rose: isis targets the macy's thanksgiving day parade. >> the n.y.p.d. says it will be

make something new additions to the security plans. >> rose: north dakota prooip line demonstration has grown. >> future generations will look back and say what in god's name were you doing? >> a police officer faces manslaughter charges. orlando castile was shot in july. >> rose: trouble on the transition team. >> lies, slandering, savage the opposition. >> not just senators, house members, should be saying something about these people being considered for cabinet posts. >> ruth bader ginsburg has been moonlighting. the 83-year-old made her opera debut. >> this has to be the camp of day. a nine-year-old saves his baby brother as he's falling off a changing table ♪ it's a marvelous night for awe moon dance ♪ >> the mooght is the closest it's ever been it to earth in six decades. >> the well-advertised super moon. no, i'm not going to howl for

you. >> the moon is the closest it's been since 1938. probably the smoon worried and upons tow know what the hell is going on down there. >> a college crosscountry race turned into a full-contact event. >> watch out for the deer! ♪ don't you give up i won't give up ♪ >> coming here tonight wasn't the easiest thing for me. a few times this past week, all i wanted to do was just to curl up with a good book and never leave the house again. >> rose: we begin with politics and david remnick of the "new yorker "magazine. he had two fascinating interviews with president obama, talking about the election, about donald trump, and about the president's legacy. >> this is one really interesting thing that obama told me. he said, "i love the strange and mystical feeling of the day or two before election day, because

suddenly everything's locked in, and everybody has their predictions, but mysterious things can happen." and he compared it to watching sports. yeah, there's a favorite, cleveland cavaliers may be underdogs to golden state by five point, but then you play the game. then the voters vote. and mysterious things can happen. it's not because the press is stupid opener all polls are broken. then the voters vote. and there's a long history of polling predictions and media predictions going kafleuy. ask harry truman. >> rose: how did he watch the election? was he sitting upstairs? >> at about 7:30, his political director came up and said, "look, i'm looking at the numbers" -- >> 7:30. >> 7:30 p.m. before, getting early numbers here. and he's saying in rural

florida-- so we're not talking about miami-dade and all that stuff. we're talking about rural florida. the margin, of course, everybody, all pollsters expected hillary to lose in those areas, in those counties. but the question is by how much? obama p obama, of course, lost in rural florida to romney and mccain, but now the margins were bigger. now the margins were bigger. so husome more-- the enthusiasm -- >> losing to trump more than he lost to romney or mccain. >> correct. and to them, to the political people, they started to worry that this is going to be a pattern, not only in states like florida or north carolina, but could come into play later in the evening as things developed in the rust belt. >> rose: right. >> well, as the evening progressed, not only do they not watch television, but the first lady went off to bed at 10:00. so she just couldn't take-- obama explained to me, she just couldn't take the stress.

so when i went to see him on friday, the following happened: in the morning he had a speech at arlington national cemetery. and obama is greeted by the military commander of washington, d.c., and he's led to the tomb of the unknown soldiers. and obama looks-- i have to say he looked at this point a little thinner, a little more weary, a little more hollowed out than he likes to ever project. this was not a-- that was not just a day of remembrance. this was a day of defeat. there's no two ways around it. >> rose: and what do you think alarms him most about this? >> now nhis mind-- and this he said as much and i'm summarizing here-- now trump is not a campaigner. he's not a performer. this is not an act of branding. he is the president of the united states, and occupies a position in the world of the leader of the free world, what

does he believe? does he believe-- was he just saying things in the campaign to arouse emotions and to-- or does he actually have core beliefs and core convictions and the integrity of those convictions, and an inner core of decency. >> rose: on friday, here in new york, the transition team of president-elect trump announce threed important selections for his new government. they are retired general michael flynn for national security adviser. congressman mike pompeo for c.i.a. director, and senator jeff sessions for attorney general. here to talk about those selection, saifd sanger of the "new york times," and karen d. young of the "washington post." let me begin with michael flynn. what should we expect from him as national security adviser? >> among the controversies about general flynn are that since he

left government-- and he did leave the defense intelligence agency under something of a cloud-- in private life he has his own consulting firm. he has worked closely with a number of russian entities. he has appeared on rt., which is the kremlin's essentially tv station in the united states. he went to their gala in moscow and sat next to putin. so the question is to what extent is general flynn willing to and able to moderate his very, very strong views about a lot of these issues and overcome some of the positions he's taken in the past? >> rose: what has he said on the campaign trail that suggests what he might be telling trump? >> he made a big appearance at the republican national convention and gave a pretty fiery speech. i was on the floor of the

convention during that speech. he also led some of the "lock her up" chants about hillary clinton. >> lock her up. that's right. >> which i think is one of the things that gave pause to other military veterans, including some former members of the joint chiefs, who've asked the question about whether that was an over-politicization of a role of somebody who had been a general in recent times. >> rose: who is mike pompeo? >> as soon as he came in, in 2010, as part of the sort of tea party wave, he was extremely critical of president obama for closing the black sites that the c.i.a. had used to interrogate prisoners in the iraq and afghan wars. and has been very critic afl any move by the c.i.a. backwards on the use of waterboarding and

other-- what the bush bugz delicately called enhanced interrogation techniques and president obama called torture techniques. and that could well set up a really fascinating confrontation between a new head of the c.i.a., and a staff that has moved through considerable reforms over the past eight years. >> rose: senator jeff sessions is not necessarily within the area that you cover. he's been your senator, known to be the first senator to endorse donald trump and been close as an adviser during the campaign, had strong feelings about immigration. what about his selection as the next attorney general? david? >> well, he's got, i think in the course of the confirmation hearings, you're going to hear a lot about the civil rights investigations that took place. and when he was up for a federal judgeship, i guess more than 20 years ago, and that was a pret

pretty-- pretty brutal period, and i think those same questions are going to be raised because he's going to take over the civil rights division of the justice department. so you're going to see in that nomination fight a real battle between two completely different visions of what the justice department is supposed to stand for. >> rose: bernie sanders, the senator from vermont, who opposed secretary clinton for the democratic nomination, received more than 13 million votes in the primaries and won 22 state. this week, he was named to run outreach for the senate democrats as the party rebuilds after the defeat of secretary clinton. >> i thought on issue after issue she was far, far superior to mr. trump. i campaigned as hard as i could for her. >> rose: you wouldn't have done that if you didn't think she was, essentially, close to where you were you in your-- >> i would-- you know, we can

argue nuance here. certainly on every issue, very importantly, understands that big money and citizens united destroying our political system. she was in favor of overturning "citizens united--" so am i-- ask enrmsly important issues. she certainly understands the seriousness of global warming, unlike mr. trump. on many, many issues she was strong. >> rose: was she with you in terms of with the? >> well, you have to ask her. >> rose: when you say that, that means no. >> no, it doesn't. it means you never will know, you know, and certainly one of the interesting moments right now is, you know, mr. trump, amazingly enough, during the last week of the campaign, he said, "i am going to be a strong defender of the working class." now often do you hear that term used? you don't hear most democrats coming on here and saying, "we're going to defend the working--" am i right on that. >> rose: you're right. you think what, he recognized at

some point in the waning moments of the campaign that that was a call that he had to make and try to reach out so that people identified him? >> he used language that many democrats don't. now, i know it's easy for mr. trump and some-- not all of his friends-- to beat up on muslims and mexicans. that's easy to beat up on somebody who makes eight buckans hour, has no power, or a little girl wearing a kerchief who is a muslim. very easy to beat up on the powerless. do you have the guts to take on wall street and the drug companies who are ripping off off? take on corporate america where major corporations don't pay a nickel in taxes in a given year? that's your challenge. >> rose: let's ask ourselves-- you were were surprised he won? >> i that you it was about two to one that hillary would win. >> rose: two to one. >> i wasn't shocked. surprised. >> rose: why did he win? >> i'll tell yu he won. because what the media doesn't understand, what the establishment doesn't understand

is there are tens of millions of people who are not racists, who are not sexist. they're hurting. >> rose: but the question is why did they vote for donald trump rather than hillary clinton? >> because he spoke with passion to those issues. he used the world "i will defend the working class. i am anti-establishment. i'm going to take them on." >> rose: "i'm against washington. i'm against lobbyists." >> "i'm against everything!" i happen to think he's a very good entertainer. i never believed him for a moment. now i hope very much he proves me wrong. this is a strange guy. he is nobody's fool. that we can recognition. will he, in fact, look, at america, understand that some of the horrific things he said during the campaign and things that he has done in his life, like leading the birther movement to delegitimize our first african american president, was a horrible thing to do? will he recognize that you can't disrupt the lives of millions of people and say, "we're going to throw people out of this country who have been here for years working?"

will he stop the anti-muslim rhetoric. i want to get back to-- you ask me a question, "why did trump win?" it has nothing to do with my relationship with hillary clinton. trump won because millions of people are hurting and very few folks are talking to their pain. what a shock that would be for the democrats of have a 50-state strategy where they went to wyoming, they went to kansas, and they talked to people, other than going for fund raisers. we need a revolution within the democratic party. we need to transform it. we need to make it a working class party, a grass-roots party. >> rose: the former host of "the daly show "jon stewart for the first time talked about the election with me on "cbs this morning," and here is a part of what he had to say. >> he's not a republican. he's a repudiation of republicans. but they will reap the benefit of his victory in all of their cynicism and all of their-- i will guarantee you, republicans

are going to come to jesus now about the power of government. one of the things that i think struck me odd about this election-- and maybe i just missed it-- was nobody asked the donald trump what makes america great? and that was the part that i-- what are -- >> he wants to make america great again. nobody said to him,"well, what is it that makes america great?" >> correct. >> rose: "what is it you want to do that we're not doing now?" >> what are the the the metrics because it seems like from listening to him the metrics are that it's a competition. and i think what many would say is what makes us great is-- america is an anomaly in the world. nobody-- there are a lot of people-- and i think his candidacy has animated that thought, that a multiethnic democracy, a multicultural democracy is impossible. and that is what america, by its founding and constitutionally

is. every other state -- >> and is becoming more and more. >> correct. >> rose: year by year? >> correct. >> rose: but do you think it's healthy we have this now, of finding out who we are? >> i would rather have this conversation openly and honestly than in dog whistles. you know, somebody was saying, "there might be an anti-semmite that's working in the white house." and i was like, "you have listened to the nixon tapes? forget about advising the president. the president." "like, have you read l.b.j.?" do you know our history? this is-- and we also have to caution ourselves to the complexity of that history. i thought donald trump disof qualified himself at numerous points. but there is now this idea that anyone who vote the for him is-- has to be defined by the worst of his rhetoric. like there are guys that i love, that i respect, that i think have incredible qualities, who are not afraid of mexicans and not afraid of muslims and not afraid of blacks. they're afraid of their insurance premiums.

in the liberal community you hate this idea of creating people as a monolith. don't look at muslims as a monolith. they are individuals. it would be ignorance. but everybody who voted for trump is a monolith. is a racist. that hypocrisy is also real in our country. and so, this is the fight that we wage against ourselveses and each other because america is not natural. natural is tribal. we're fighting against thousands of years of human behavior and history it to create something that no one's ever-- that's what's exceptional about america, and that's what's-- like, this ain't easy. it's an incredible thing. >> rose: you can see the rest of my interview with jon stewart in its entirety next week on the nightly edition of "charlie rose." on your news stand this week is "time" magazine's collection of

what it calls the 100 most influential photos of all time. it is a multimedia project built around the 100 photographs that "time" editors feel shaped the way we think or changed the way we live. with me now is kyra pollack, "time "director of photography. welcome. >> thank you. >> rose: you say the project does not look at the influence of photographers within the history of the medium but rather how history has been influenced by specific photographs. let me just begin with one, the picture of domestic violence. what's the history of that? >> so that picture was made by donna ferrado. and the influence of that picture is that the picture was made of the act of domestic violence. it was actually as it was happening. and we've never seen that before. it was actually behind closed doors. she captured something as evidence, really, that this was happening. >> rose: now, how did she do that? >> she was documenting this-- this family, and she was there for another story, and she was almost embedded with this family

on another story, and she happened to be there when that happened. and from there, she made it her goal in her life, the photographer, to capture domestic convenience for 34 years going forward. >> rose: and next is a pillow fight. the famous pillow fight. >> right. >> rose: how did that happen? >> that is the great photographer harry benson. he was in the hotel of the beatles, and it's the happiest picture on our list by far. and it's a picture that we felt was influential because it was made a few months after kennedy was shot, and it was a moment where the country needed something to look up to. >> rose: the next is the first cell phone picture taken in 1997. >> this is one of my favorite pictures from the list, something they learned from this project, and this picture was made by phillipe kahn when his daughter was born, and he took his flip-top phone, hookdz it up to his computer, wrote a couple of lines of code, and he sent it to 2,000 people and that is the beginning of the cell phone. never seen that picture before. >> rose: so this is also a

multimedia project. it's a magazine. it's a book. it's an expectation. >> yup. it's a virtual museum. there are a lot of layers, a lot of contexts, deep dives, and there are 20 short document bears the pictures. >> rose: this is one of the great-- >> amazing. >> most famous war photographs ever taken. >> absolutely. and it was published. >> rose: saigon. >> and it was published on the front page of a newspaper. vietnam was the hardest topic to whittle down because there were so many powerful pictures that came out of that. ♪ ♪ it's never too old to learn to cook ♪ i put a hurtin' on the bottle ♪ >> rose: marco price say rising star in the country music scene. her debut album was recorded in just three days at the famed sun studio in memphis. it was called "midwest farmer's daughter." >> i wanted to write something that was going to be therapeutic

for myself and when i set out to write this album, i had kind of given up trying-- you know, trying to write pop songs or rock 'n' roll songs or whatever i had been doing on the last four alpums. i wasn't worried about if the hook was good enough, you know, or if it was melodically catchy enough. i just wanted the lyrical content to be there, andening i achieved some of that. >> rose: let me talk about these songs. this is "hands of time." >> yeah, that is a six-minute -- >> six minutes. >> a six-minute song. yeah, everyone kept trying -- >> you got carried away, didn't you? >> everyone kept trying to make it my single and i said i don't know if america has six minutes but i-.me to get your pointost >> rose: yes. >> i'm happy that i went ahead and kept it, and "third man" was very adamant with me about having it be the kickoff to the

album because i feel like if people can get through that, then "a" they're going to know who i am, and kind of what i've been through, and then "b" they'll enjoy the rest of the record because it's not as heavy as that song. ♪ bring my mom home some wine turn back the clock on the dproof ♪ >> rose: you were rejected by everybody when you began. >> yes. couldn't get a manager. couldn't get a publicist. couldn't get a label. couldn't barely book any gigs. and kind of the turning point was a writer from "rolling stone" came and saw me in a very tiny dive bar in nashville and that was my first glimmer of hope. and they said, "where's your album? we want to review it." and i said, "i don't have one. i'm trying to make one, trying to scrounge up the money." at that point i started writing all these prosecutors and all these labels and sent them my demos and said,"i'm going to

make a agreement country record. please give me an advance." but i didn't hear any responses. so then we sold the car and did it anyway. >> rose: and here it is. >> and here it is. couldn't be happier. >> rose: but there's a lot of hype about it now. >> yeah. i never expected it would go this far in a million years. >> rose: so are you ready to get back and record the next one? >> i am, yeah. that was recorded quite some time ago and several of the songs were around for-- for years. so i'm-- i've got all sorts of new things to say and now even more to write about. >> rose: here is a look at the week ahead. sunday is the day the american music awards are presented in los angeles. monday is the day the houston texans take on the oakland radars in mexico city. tuesday is the day "prince forever" a compilation album of the artist's greatest hits are released. wednesday is the day platoons are filled for macy's

thanksgiving day parade in new york city. thursday is thanksgiving day. ed from is the 40th anniversary of last waltz, the band's final live performance. saturday is the qualifying round for the abu dhabi grand prix. and here is what's new for your weekend can: the harry potter spin-off "fantastic beast and where to find them "opens in theaters nationwide. the chicago toy and game fair runs all weekend on navy pier. ♪ ♪ and bruno mars has a new album out, "24 karat magic ♪ ♪ what you trying to do. 24 karat magic from the air ♪

>> rose: a personal note this week. i received the founder's award from the international center for journalists. the center's mission is to foster and facilitate quality journalism on a global scale. i want to share with you some of the thought i shared in a challenging time. i'm charlie rose. we'll see you again next time. >> what journalism has to do today is do the job. buwhat we have to do is go out there and roll up our sleeves and do what we are trained to do and prepared to do, to do it without fear. to do it without intimidation. and to do it knowing that in the end, truth shall prevail. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

funding for arthur is provided by: when you encourage your children to learn, wonderful things can happen. abcmouse.com early learning academy-- proud sponsor of pbs kids and arthur. and by contributions to your pbs station from: ♪ every day when you're walking down the street ♪ ♪ everybody that you meet has an original point of view ♪ (laughing) ♪ and i say hey hey! ♪ what a wonderful kind of day ♪ ♪ if we could learn to work and play ♪ ♪ and get along with each other ♪ ♪ you got to listen to your heart, listen to the beat ♪