>> rose: welcome to the program. we beginning this evening with a report on cybersecurity we talk to sam palmisano the former ceo of ibm and the national security advisor to president obama. >> he has in each of his presentations the last four years to the congression on the major threats facing the united states ranked cybersecurity number one and it's just not the case the country has treated it as the number one threat. we have far more resources and emphasis and share and attention to counterterrorism which is it appropriate and a homeland security but in terms of a whole range of dimensions underfocussed on the cybersecurity and there were a number of things we could do to

enhance cybersecurity and how the commission came about. >> rose: and a now fill by mark wahlberg and we were joined about the conversation about the "patriots day" film. >> if every day you turn on the news or open the paper there's another attack somewhere and we wanted to promote the message love will always win and wanted to come together and unite and how my town reacted in the face of terror it made me proud. >> rose: and conclude with andy cohen. >> i think it's so egotistical to say my life is so interesting but i've now written three books about my life and have gotten

over that thing and to give people a window on it but i write with a lot of humor and self-deprecation. look, i call the book superficial. i'm trying to get ahead of it. >> rose: sam palmisano, tom don ilon and andy cohen. >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: cybersecurity has become one of the greatest challenges facing this country.

last february president obama created a commission to address the growing threat. earlier this month the commission on enhancing national cybersecurity announced the findings in a comprehensive report calling for urgent action to enhance american cyber capabilities and president obama ordered a review of the russian election hacking and joining me is former ibm chair sam palmisano and national security advisor tom donilon. i'm pleased to have you both here. first briefly and then we'll turn to contemporary issues and come back to the report per se how this came about. >> well, the president looked at what the challenges were and things that had been addressed in the first seven years of his term and determined there were a number of challenges and essentially what this was was a

preparation of a transition memo for the next president. >> rose: jim clapper the director of national intelligence -- >> has in the last presentations to the congression on the major threats to the united states ranked cybersecurity number one. it's not the case the country has treated it as the number one threat. we have far more resources and emphasis in mine share and attention to counterterrorism which is appropriate and homeland security than we were in terms of a range of dimensions really underfocussed on the cybersecurity challenge and there were a number of things to do to enhance it and that's how the commission came about. >> rose: what did do you? >> i was the private sector counterpart and looked at areas to focus on. primarily in broad terms the issues around the security of

the internet itself identity management and other things and the area where it's no longer your phone or computer it's cameras and sensors and traffic monitors and health devices. all those things now are potentially devices for a hack or some issue could occur. so in addition to that we were asked to look at government itself and the processes and how government responds to cyber versus counterterrorism and look at international standards and consumer -- >> rose: you had hearings? >> we started in new york with financial services and did a tech community at cal berkeley out on the west coast. we did the consumer in minneapolis and did a couple in washington. we had six. >> rose: are most people vulnerable? >> i think most people that are uninformed are vulnerable if you're aware of the technology that you can do things to protect yourself. i think it's very important

everyone understand that there's no 100% solution in today's environment for a cyber threat so there's great risk. now, there are great benefits to the technology whether as the economic expansion, commercial terms, enjoyment, personal life issues what you do as an individual but everybody should be sensitive to the fact there's no 100% technical assurance it will not happen either to the company or individual. >> rose: tom, you dealt with putin and the chinese. you know something about their record with respect to hacking. talk to me how you see the crisis we now face in terms of the president ordering an investigation into whether the russians hacked and finding out what was done and why and secondly cluck schumer, john mccain calling for a

congressional investigation and have you congress saying they want to investigate coming up when they go back in january 3 and the new congress as well. what do you think is going on? >> well, first of all the investigation is fully appropriate at this point last spring and summer you had some private sector organizations saying the russian entities, russian-directed entities that had long history of association with the russian intelligence services were responsible for some of the hacking into the democratic national committee and we had an extraordinary thing happen in october. jim clapper who represents 17 intelligence agencies in the government announced publicly in fact the russian federation directed from the government itself was connect to hack in the election and the cyber commander said at the wall

street journal ceo country you have a country that had interfered or tried to interfere in the election to get specific effects. the russians of course deny all of this and say we don't engage in cyber attacks. that's not true. in my own judgment is that this is -- again, i've not seen the intelligence the subject of the debate but the broad matter there's no doubt i think the russians had been involved in trying to interfere with the elections here and it's part of a broader strategic approach by the russians. this is information warfare. espionage happens and the information was acquired and made public for certain purpose. now, i can't judge the intent with specificity but clearly some intent was intended with respect to the elections and it's part of a broader kind of

confrontation we're having with putin's russia. >> rose: so there's no doubt that clapper is responsible they report to him and he reports to the president, correct? >> correct. >> rose: there's no doubt in their mind there was hacking by the russians. >> right. >> rose: what you have today is difference whether the intent was to help donald trump's election. reports in the press say the fbi has not reached that conclusion but the cia has. >> i have no way to judge it at this point but the clear point is that's why there needs to be an investigation. it's an extraordinary thing. a foreign power in my judgment a power that's gone hostile to the united states since putin came into office in 2012 has attempted to interfere with the election in the united states. and we should find out exactly what happened, what the intentions were and what the

effects were. >> rose: john bolton, for example, who may be trump appointed, the former u.n. ambassador saying when the question came up about hillary clinton's server had been hacked saying we don't know but the russians if they did it are smart enough now to not leave evidence. how are they so sure. did they leave evidence on one side but not the other side? >> i don't know the details but i do know this is a process that takes into account all manner of information that have you access to and you put it together in an analytical judgment. it's not inconceivable the director of national intelligence would say with high confidence the russian

federation attempted to interfere if they didn't have a good case. again, this is why the country needs to know the answer to the question. >> rose: it's regardless of the motive the question is important if they can hack into the government. >> we're not debating the outcome of the election. we had an election and we're going forward but it's important for the country to know what the vulnerabilities were here from a technical perspective and it's important from a strategic perspective to know whether or not the russian federation at puttin' puttin's direction off the direction of his people were directed. >> rose: you want to alert america to the dangers of not being prepared for cybersecurity the question is how do you do that?

>> there's multiple effects and we need to meet with the president-elect's team and take him through the recommendation. there are steps in here any administration can do immediately and others will take time but there's things that can be done immediately in terms of establishing an initiative around at the public and private sector on identity management to make it harder to attack you and government can be the best practice and the internet of things so if you have a thermostat in your house or fitbit the security is designed and you basically and how to remove the vul neshtnerabilitie

people who are sloppy with pass words and then there's the government itself and there's roles for government and i'll talk about what they can do with the technology and tom can address the roles of the government and first consolidate the network and much like the military's already consolidate and make it secure so that it's very difficult now to get access into the government system through the network itself. long term they need to fix their systems but in the short term they can make it harder to get in the systems. there's recommendation what the news administration should do. >> rose: and the conflict between silicon valley and the white house back then the justice department was to back-door entry all kinds of things with the security for devices. >> if you think about it

pragmatically and there's issues around law enforcement the only way to solve it is if the technical community, a lot of silicon valley, and the government come together. the big research universities but that's the only way to solve the problem. >> rose: why's it not been done? why don't they come together. because everybody realizes there's a problem with balancing security. >> the silicon valley and the mind set if you go back to tom watson senior who founded ibm they just want to be left alone. now we have a technology version today and social media companies their preference is leave us alone. that's their preference. so when things occur they don't want to be burdened by of the

requested from the government that information they may have in their systems so they have a bias to leave me alone. the other bias is there's been situations to defend them for a second whereas the information they shared for whatever sets of reasons is used in a way that hurts their company's brand. we can share the information with the appropriate government agency and talk about information sharing but doing it in a way so brands are protect and doesn't impact their customer and revenue bases. the point we're making it starts with collaboration, charlie. the key for the incidents when they occur is put the network providers as well as the network companies to share information in a way to do it in a secure way and a way that protect the companies from litigation, trial lawyers, etcetera and allows the government and appropriate authorities what they need to do their jobs. >> rose: large companies are hit they'll time in terms of people

trying to attack them. >> but they're better at it. >> rose: at the defensive measures? >> yes. exactly. financial services as much focus as they have on them -- technology companies ideally are extremely good but then you put the banks up there with them. they're very very good. our vulnerability is the midsized company and they need to create a standard for cybersecurity and adopt the same standards the large guys use. >> it's very uneven in the united states and we try to identify the coming trends. sam referencing the internet of things and the physical world and cyber world have converged.

and we are trying to get security at the front end in these devices and simple things for consumers which is to tell consumers in fact here are standards and this device has met standards through an abling an fda sort of thing. when we were growing up if you had an appliance with an ul signal on it an independent organization you had confidence it was a safe device. we don't have that in the soft world or internet of things world and try to anticipate trends. you ask why it hasn't been done the incentive of the company is to get its product to market as quickly as possible. so what we are trying to do is put together structure and

incentives and when the internet first came on it wasn't about security so we're trying to get big trends right from the start. >> there was a big focus on energy and a star for devices think of it as a cyber star. we'll have a cyber star so you as a consumer or software consumer will have a star you know it competes at some level of a standard of security and that would help educate the people associated with that. the incentives are interesting. we debated this at length on the commission because we thought there should be market-driven approaches rather than regulated because stuff moves too fast and what is the balance of the right level of incentives. we all agree including the private sector and the folks representing the government all agree we need to design it from security day one. that's the most important thing.

educate the user and design it day one. don't have it be an after thought as to products -- >> to be cleaned up later by the i.t. >> i did an interview and he said to me at the time what is in fact nsa doing and things about what were being accessible in phone calls and all that stuff he said to me at the time there's so many stuff about individuals out there and so many people have access to it it's remarkable what you can find out. >> this is why we say you were aaware of aware of that you would take precautions like you do with your credit card. of course you protect your credit cards. it should be the same thing. you can say well it's hard to use. it's not. you swipe it and you click it with the chip. it can be simplified but the consumer we have a whole section

of consumer awareness to educate the consumer to address these kinds of vulnerabilities. >> number of things we talked about is trying to make the devices so that it is easier for the consumers to act in an appropriate secure way. we're trying to do deeper work to make devices easier to work and more natural for the security to use in a secure way. >> rose: do we have significant collaboration with the tech community? >> yes, sure we do. >> i guess there were incidents along the way but at the end of the day i believe there's a good working relationship between the tech community and the government and in my old world you take dod or homeland or

national security there's been an excellent relationship and continues to be. >> there's more to be done. >> one thing we called for is deeper and faster sharing and provide more incentive for companies concerned about certain vulnerabilities to give them more incentive to share with the government and some of the things now is the password. our evidence shows if you look at the last six year most the major breaches were related to a flaw in identity. so there are offerings out there that can protect you. authentication and we called for a process to get to that. >> rose: people saying do it now. >> that's right. we call to develop the best authentication technologies you can and start with the government. the government has mass consumer

citizens facing portal irs, health care, v.a., we should set an example saying if you deal with those portals, those interfaces you need stronger authentication. we should make every federal contracted employee using it start moving that through. it's is an incredibly solution and if you're not doing it your making yourself vulnerable. >> rose: so when you travel to moscow or beijing do you use your cell phone or computer? >> no. they would give me a new one when i return. clearly they were replaced. i also knew i was trained never leave the computer in your room someone can take your hard

files. i lived in asia almost 35 years ago. i was trained back then not to do these things. some of us were trained decades ago not to do these things. >> rose: when you were ceo of ibm they'd wipe your computer and phone and whatever else. >> and have a new software load, system cleaned up and secure. what they would do is and you can do it here but when you click on your phone they'd put software on your phone to monitor what's going on and once you come back to the united states and you're behind your fire wall they're in the system at that point. that's how they used to do it. >> rose: isn't that what happened at sony? >> exactly but it's much more sophisticated today. what tom referred to is much more sophisticated. it's hard to find out who it was for some of the incidents because they'll hijack somebody's server or i think they hijacked a server in japan

or something and though it probably came from north korea but they hack a server and come in that way so if you track the server trends or the trails it's hard to find exactly origination of it. they've gotten -- the nation states have gotten very complicated. >> if you undertook the steps we outline in the report and you actually can significantly enhance your cybersecurity. >> rose: ok. what happens now? you hope to have a meeting with the trump -- >> we want to meet with the president-elect's team go over the report and hope to hear from him -- >> in fact we were encouraged to get an audience of the appropriate people. >> rose: thank you. >> have a good holiday. >> rose: thank you for the work you've done and the commission members. >> it's a great team. >> rose: stay with us. the boston marathon bombing

claimed the live of three people and injured more than 150. the ensuing manhunt for tamerlan tsarnaev and dzhokhar tsarnaev took days and the new movie is an homage to the city. here's a look at the trailer. >> why are you laughing? i look like a clown. >> it's the color. come here. give me a kiss. i love you. >> hey, how many times you run this thing? >> boston 18, 43 overall.

>> that's impressive, boss. [cheering] [♪]

>> rose: i'm pleased to have peter burg, mark wahlberg and former police commissioner ed davis. were reluck -- reluctant as a bostonian to make the film too early. >> we realized it wasn't soon enough every day you turn on the news or open up the newspaper there's another attack somewhere. we felt we wanted to promote the message that love will always win and we need to come together and unite and looking at how my own city, my own town responded in the face of terror was amazing. it made me so proud to be a bostonian and i wanted to share that story with people.

>> rose: cbs, 60 minutes you were solve how involved. >> we were producers on the film which for me as a writer was an extraordinary resource because when i wanted to meet people like the police commissioner, this gentlemen, ed davis and his counterparts in the fbi and others in the community 60 minute was effective at opening those doors and letting me get i think a candid relationship going with the commissioner early on which was very helpful in putting the movie together. >> rose: john goodman plays you? >> he's an exceptional actor and he's a good man. >> rose: take me back to the time. what was -- you've never seen anything like this. you had no idea it would be possible for this to happen in boston. >> we prepare for possible terrorism but never think it's going to happen to you so when i

got there and saw they were ieds built to kill and maim people and had people dead at the scene i realized the enormity of the event and had a tremendous sense of urgency to track them down and get them off the street. >> rose: the response was you also have the fbi on site and there's a degree of conflict there. >> there can be. we worked together closely on a bunch of different cases but it's a complex undertaking and there's always a difference of opinion and they came to the for in the investigation. >> rose: in terms of responding to a terrorist attack what's the plan? >> you need to i have plan and be prepared and know where your resources are and have relationships with the fbi and other responders, the people that will be your partners if it all go wrong. you need to know them beforehand. cant introduce yourself the day

the thing happens. >> rose: mark, your character is a composite. >> focuses in on one officer at the finish line put in charge after the explosion and one on pursuit with billy evans and there in watertown when the other brother was captured. >> rose: who helped? you who did you reach out to? this say city you love. >> i reached out to everybody. the first person i spoke to was my parents' priest. >> rose: what did he say? >> he knew my intentions in telling the story. i took pete to my neighborhood and to meet the ceo of the boys club and met with many different people and the officers and victims, their families, survivors. we had to communicate to everybody what our intentions were and they were extremely supportive because we intended

to show people what boston strong really means. >> rose: you had acknowledged also there were people who holding you responsible for portraying in the movie -- >> yeah. they were happy that finally they knew who was in charge or who they could speak to and hold accountable so then they began reaching out to me and tell me what they were comfortable with and not and pete had the utmost respect and wanted to do whatever asked of us. >> rose: what was the challenge for you? >> i think when i had the privilege of meeting so many and i'm a new yorker but bostonians are friendly but also guarded and when we were trying to get information from commissioner davis and counterparts and certain victims and survivors

they were people not inclined to tell us their story right away but once they did open up and started telling us their stories and we met people like patrick and jessica downs a young beautiful couple in the beginning of their marriage and were blown up and lost their legs we met them and saw their spirit and the inspiration they passed on to everyone. i think the biggest challenge was for us just making sure we did them proud and did the commissioner proud. mark and i took that very seriously. we saw what they'd gone through. our jobs paled in comparison to what they'd gone through. we wanted to make sure as though we'd respected them and gotten it right. >> you said this was the most intense filmmaking experience of your life. >> we've done three non-fiction films, about the oil rig and

"patriots day" and they're all intense but there's something about this story. these weren't navy seals or oil rig guys but regular folks. families out on one of the first spring days in boston enjoying themselves and suddenly there's blood and death and body parts in the streets and nobody was ready for it. that was very touching and to think about commissioner davis wake up going about his day and suddenly to be the guy that that happened on his watch and the president calls him whatever you need we have your back but you have so -- to solve this, go get him. >> the attorney general and vice president it was an incredible unique experience. >> rose: saying we're behind you, do what have you do to. >> pledging all resources to the investigation. if we needed helicopters they

did and the military was on scene with 1500 troops in hours. >> rose: some people felt it was too hard to relive this? >> we wanted to show the families of the victims, law enforcement and lone survivors before anybody else saw it and you can't expect them to say wow, i like the movie they're reliving the worse dave their lives but to know we got it right and honor them and their loved ones that was very much appreciated. >> rose: how do you depict the tsarnaev brothers? >> it's hard to do research on those two brothers. we did quite a bit. it's hard to research them and not become fascinated. it's a very unique and bizarre situation. these were not like saudis that

snuck in and blew up the towers. these were assimilated guys. one with us at u mass dartmouth and a ladies man and marijuana and the other was a boxer who wanted to represent the u.s. olympic team we'd see at starbucks. >> rose: how did they become ral radicalized? >> through the internet seeing extremist propaganda online and it's a refuge for people that are alienated if someone want to prove themselves they can go in this direction but any sympathy is nullified by playing a bomb behind two children and blew them up. >> rose: he knew what he was doing. >> no question. >> rose: he'd take the lives of

children. >> and he did. >> rose: is he talking? >> i spoke to a jailer and asked what's with this guy and he said he's a terrorist. >> rose: that's what he is and he knows it and acknowledges it. >> it's the only way to explain what he's done and how he acts in prison. >> rose: so you wanted to show the courage of boston strong. from the police to victims and those who lost limbs. is it three? and some were near death. >> 42 were critical and dozens of amputations. >> rose: you wanted to show what? >> courage. courage. hope. recovery what real strength is

and what real heroes are. growing up in boston we always had iconic sports heroes and always put them up on a pedestal, ted williams, micky ward but to see women, men, from all walks of life running towards the problem redefined the term hero to me and gave me such a huge sense of proud to be from boston. boston whenever i left and was outside boston early on it was about racial divide and all that stuff and seeing people come together from all walks of life, races, religions, coming to help filled me with pride and i wanted to see that and something where people said make sure you get it right and show people who we are and what boston strong means. >> rose: and how have they dealt with it those who lost a limb or child? >> well, to see patrick and jessica come together and radiate so much love and light and hope and positivity is remarkable to me.

when we saw patrick finish the race he ran the marathon this year on the running blade and to see him run into jessic and holding each other i felt like, wow. i find so much inspiration from them >> rose: so what do we need to do to minimize this kind of thing? obviously good intelligence is one aspect of it. >> we need to shut down the websites and the fbi has done an incredible job of doing so and we need to stay on top of this but we need to connect with people in the communities. we need to know the muslim community where some of this is sbub is bubbling up and we need to form relationships with them. doak of

dzhokhar tsarnaev was thrown out of the mosque so we need to know everybody in the community. >> rose: this is a scene where they released the pictures of the subjects. >> we need you to release those pictures. >> if we release the photos now we have zero control. >> we may force home to react. >> right now boston's working against us. in this city everybody want to talk. we hear lots of people talk but they're talking about the wrong photo. release the photos and sit back and listen. let boston work for us. >> i understand boston but i can't snap my fingers. the decision go up to the

attorney general. >> i'll call right now. this is my [bleep] city. release the goddamn pictures. >> rose: if you were to make the film again what would you do different? anything? >> wow, that's an interesting question. i'm very happy with the film. >> rose: it's the film you intend to make? >> there's so many people that played a critical role in this from the time the bombs went off to the time they captured the younger brother in the boat. i would have liked to have gone deeper. there's a young chinese american who was carjacked by the two brothers who arguably was more responsible for not only capturing the brothers but they were on their way to manhattan and were coming here to come to times square and he had such courage and poise and in tel

intelligence for the hour and a half while they gassed up and took his money atm's and coming here to new york to kill him and planned the escape and what he did took such courage and he was as much as the part of the capture and an example of people who did so much. >> rose: when you talk to people they always say i did what i had to do. i was trained to do, what my duty was. all of that. the two of you, is it about the che chemistry and why do you work together so often? >> i love him like a brother and a great filmmaker and created a great environment and extremely collaborative and pushes you and brings the best out of me and i hope i do the same for him --

>> absolutely. > but with these particular story we care and it's about the people we're honoring and we hold everybody up to that standard involved in the process. >> rose: it's a remarkable story and opened in new york december 21 in l.a. and boston and nationwide january 13. "patriots day." we'll be right back. stay with us. andy cohen here the former head of development at bravo and current host of "watch what happens: live" and his new book is a follow up to 2014 the andy cohen diaries a deep look at a shal shallow year. i'm pleased to have him back at the table. welcome. >> hi, charlie. >> rose: first of all, were you

at all surprised at all to the reaction of the first book? >> no, i thought it'd be great and really sell. >> rose: because it's an interesting going on about people's curiosity and you promote the hell out of it. >> and i think it's a well-written book and funny. i loved warhol's diaries when it came out and that what inspired me. >> rose: what did you like about the diaries? >> he took me places at a time in my life would have never have been invited to. 11 years of globetrotting and dishy and opened my eyes up to a world i wanted to live in. i think with my diaries it's a world of celebrity and behind the scenes of a late-night talk show and producing "the housewives" and having a dog and having great parents.

it's a well-rounded situation. >> rose: but have you moved into this place where you had the same kind of thing that andy had in terms of going from one new york event to another event with an insight into what's happening? >> kind of. i think it's also kind of a deconstruction of celebrity culture today from the vantage point of becoming a celebrity and dealing with celebrities and partying with them. it's all that. i was like wait a minute. i'm now getting invited to this stuff myself. let me start writing. >> rose: so when do you write? >> i write every night. i either jot down some notes or write a full just get it all out. then i fill in the banks on airplanes which i'm on a lot. go back to the last week or week or two and flush things out. >> and how much do you write?

>> how much do i write? >> rose: is it one event? >> i could write three items or write nothing. it just depends what happened to me that day. >> rose: and you don't edit much? >> i did edit because it was almost two years and it was and i pulled out and took out days altogether that just weren't interesting if things start to feel monotonous. i did it for the reader so it would be entertaining. >> rose: but there's no sense that i've gone too far? >> there were moment where's certainly personally the vulnerabilities i reveal in the book i didn't in the past one -- >> rose: about yourself? >> about myself and about some situations with other people i maybe wouldn't have put in the last one but i not you know, what i was in such a groove from writing i wanted to keep going and i felt like i had to deliver

in a different way. if you're writing a follow-up you want it better and bigger and more interesting. >> you describe it as deep and shallow. >> deep and shallow, much like me. i am high and low. i think that's what worked when i was programming bravo. we could have "top shelf" and "project runway" our emmy winning shows and mix them in with "housewives" and i have a radio channel on sirius and programmed with music and pop culture to dan rather talking about politics. >> rose: when you look at yourself now would you never want it give up the programming aspect of your life? you program bravo and -- >> i was a producer at cbs news as you know for ten years and then i just produced television for my entire career, 26 years.

i could never give up that. i'm a very active executive producer of my late-night show. >> rose: is it satisfying or simply gives you an opportunity to -- >> it's both. it's what -- i wouldn't dial back. i could never say now you do it. i couldn't do it. >> rose: what's the perfect program for you? >> well, my show is the perfect show for me because it's just -- it allows me to do everything that i love and it's just a silly fun half hour just product of my own imagination that has come to life for seven and a half years. >> rose: you weren't doing that or were to do something in addition what would it be? for me i'd like to do "good morning america." >> the hours are freaky for me. you're a night all, charlie and you're up there -- i saw you

yesterday morning. so i love the idea of that because you can talk about everything and learn about everything. i'm interested in a lot. but for my current -- i don't know. i'd kind of like to do a game show. >> rose: have you tried to create one? >> i'm working on it. i'll get one. yeah. watch. >> rose: which one do you like? >> there are machinations in the book. there's a moment where i'll host a new version of "match game." it's just fun to me. >> rose: did you believe your life is so interesting other people would be curious about my life or about my observations about others? >> look, i think it's so egotistical to say my life is so interesting people would be interested but i've written three books so i'm over that thing and yeah, to give people a

window in it but i write with humor and self-deprecation. i write the book "superficial." i'm trying to get ahead of it. >> rose: let's talk about other i invention us might have. would you like to write a novel? >> dan rather said he had been work on it and found every character talked like him. in my fantasy maybe but it seems difficult. i love nonfiction. i have a new imprint with holt -- >> rose: imagine any surprise. >> i don't know i'd be good at a fiction writer. >> rose: so you're a publisher and looking for nonfiction books? >> yes. >> rose: and have you some insight in terms of who people know that can tell a story. do you go out and ask them to write the book or people come to you -- >> someone wrote a piece in the

new york times the other day that i responded to and i called him and said have you ever thought about this and we got together. >> rose: you're a one-man conglomerate. >> it depends on how you define conglomerate. >> rose: what did a documentary? >> i would love it 100%. >> rose: who would you like to be a documentary about? >> no one has done the definitive documentary -- you're going to laugh because it's so whatever but on diana ross. i'd like to do one on diana ross -- >> rose: she use to live in my building. >> i know and i found out what building that was yesterday and i thought it was stupid to say i knew that and was afraid to ask you about that.

i think if we talk about today there'd be no beyonce if there was no diana ross. she was a ground break and i think she was a bit of a thug when she was in the supremes. there's more to that story than i think has been told. >> rose: you also do public speaking. >> anderson keeper and i are on tour together. it's called ac2 deep talk and shower pales. i'm going with the deep and shallow thing and you can guess who the deep part and who the shallow part is and we're for real great buddies and have a great time together and we said let's try it. so we booked a date in boston and a few more and a year and a half later the schedule is full up for 2017. >> rose: how many would you do in 2017? >> i think we have 20 on the

books. >> rose: do you walk out -- >> we walk out and tell stories about our lives and play well off each other. it's about being on the front lines of celebrity and world events basically. he's funnier than i think people realize. >> rose: is it you interviewing him or him interview you. >> the first part is me interviewing him and be the he interviews me and bring in video clips and bring in the audience for questions and i drink stage and i get him to drink a little bit. >> rose: what do you drink? >> tequila. tequila and fresca. it's great. >> rose: what does he drink? >> i pour him the same. it's only the last ten dates on the tour i got him to start drinking a little bit. he's a lightweight.

>> rose: he's also doing a lot. >> he does a lot. we have friends who say the both of us you work too hard, certainly my parents say that to me, you don't get enough sleep -- and some people have judgment at me like, ugh your doing more and i sense judgment with them and i say you have to understand i'm living my dream. this is all stuff that i want to be doing and if six of the things were doing away and i was only doing one i'd still be happy. >> rose: but you're also saying it's so much fun. >> like you. >> rose: what could you be doing other than this that would be more fun? >> name it. i agree. i'm from the seacrestian model of more. >> rose: is any part of you lonely? >> there's moments in the book where i come home from the show and i'm alone and like wow.

this actually isn't great. i don't feel great. >> rose: i can call you and say how's it going? >> text me. >> rose: texting say better way. do you do phone calls? >> i do. >> rose: are you conscious of e-mails. >> a little bit. >> rose: would you and anderson ever be attracted to each other? >> we were set up on a blind date twenty something years ago that's how we met through a mutual friend. we didn't know each other in theory and i of course was excited because he's gloria vanderbilt's son and heard he was smart and great and went to yale. he was just starting out his career and was on channel 1 and he said i jesgesticulated wildl-

>> rose: that didn't work for him. >> and i guess i brought up his mom way too soon in the con voe but we wound up great friends. >> rose: can you something what you would do if you hadn't done the television thing. >> part of me think i'd be a teacher. a lot of the work with the housewives is being a shrink. >> rose: andy cohen. great to have you here. continued success. >> thank you, i appreciate it. >> rose: thank you for joining us. see you next time. for more about the program and early episodes visit us online at pbs.org and charlierose.com. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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