>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is charlie rose the week. new developments in russia's role in america's election. and mark wahlberg stars in the story of the boston marathon bombing in "patriots day." >> what i saw today, good versus evil. love versus hate. the one weapon you had to fight back with. is love. >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following:

>> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? >> free and liberateed. >> rose: is it luck at all or is it something else? >> i felt like i was learning every day. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> lead the community. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: this was the week the rebel stronghold of eastern aleppo fell to syrian government forces. tensions with russia grew over the attempted hack of the u.s. presidential election. and army football beat navy for the first time in 14 years. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven day days. ♪ don't waste another minute on your crying ♪ >> alan thiche, one of america's favorite tv dads has died. >> in real life, it's tougher to parent without eight writers.

>> we lost a dear friend with the passing of greg sager. >> a somber time in turkey after two deadly bombs ripped through istanbul. >> fighters have retaken poorm. >> a chinese war help has seized a u.s. navy underwater drone. >> the c.i.a. has concluded that russia intervened in the election to help you win the presidency. >> i think it's ridiculous. >> facts are stubborn things. they did hack into this campaign. >> rex tillerson is nominated as the next secretary of state. >> in this case he's much more than a business executive. he's a world-class player. >> dylann roof was found guilty of murder. >> yahoo! was the object of a massive security breach. >> in raising rates they are giving a vote of confidence to this american economy. >> the 2017 golden globe

nominations are in "laz laz lan" >> significant totals, over a half foot of snow over much of new england. >> it's going to feel brutally cold ♪ let it snow, it snow and snow >> "rogue one" scored a solid 85% on the movie review site, rotten tomatoes. >> i'm just happy they put the word "one" in the new title. that way we know there will be sequels and i can't wait for the sixth installment "rogue one 2 episode 3." >> rose: president obama gave his final press conference of the year friday afternoon, and he made plenty of news. the president weighed in on the deteriorating situation in the besieged syrian city of aleppo. >> right now, we have russians and assad claiming that basically, all the innocent civilians who were trapped in

aleppo are out when international organizations, humanitarian organizations, who know better and who are on the ground have said unequivocally that there are still tens of thousands who are trapped and prepared to leave under pretty much any conditions. and so right now, our biggest priority is to continue to put pressure wherever we can to try to get them out. >> rose: and president obama had this to say about the claim that the russian government mounted a cyber attack that influenced the presidential election: >> we have said and i will confirm that this happened at the highest levels of the russian government. litical point over the issue. >> 37% of republican voters approve of putin. over a third of republican voters approve of vladimir putin, the former head of the

k.g.b. ronald reagan would roll over in his grave. >> rose: joining me now is john dickerson, he is, awns, the political director for cbs news and moderator of "face the nation." he is also a political columnist for "slate" magazine. john, the president has given his last press conference of 2016. he is off to do what we all need, to recharge our batteries. what's your takeaway from what the president said and how he sees this incredible year. >> well, there was a-- i mean, so much going on here. three big things. one, of course, the first is this question of putin's role in the election. he didn't-- martha raddatz pressed him three times, was putin involved? he didn't say yes but essentially said yes, which is nothing happens at that level in russia without pint's consent. he was so careful throughout this press conference, really staying out of the way of anything complicated, whether

the hacking cost hillary clinton the election. whether he would advise the electors who are about to vote to get a briefing. whether he would lift a lid on any of the evidence he's got-- so careful. but there was a moment where he basically said-- he scolded republicans for on the one hand criticizing him for not being tough enough on vladimir putin, and then throwing in with the candidate who has been very supportive and saying nice things about vad mur putin. his point is we have become so political everything is about winning the election. >> rose: at the end i thought he made his most essential piece as he was trying to summarize what he had been trying to say during the press conference. he said putin will be successful, and those who wish us no good will only be successful if we forget values that made us who we are. >> that's exactly right. and when he said that, it was right up against when he had basically said republicans had forgotten their values by

supporting donald trump for the purchase an election, but forgetting who vladimir putin was because of trump's doaks him. and also supporting somebody who did things that are against our values. democrats, of course, want a cry from the heart from him about the hacking and about what it's done to the election. they didn't get that. they never do, because he's too temperate. but he did-- he did go further, much further-- you know, at some point he said, "oh, come on!" y you know he went as far as barack obama goes, i guess, would be a way to put it. >> rose: he clearly knows that history will-- as he said, "i failed" with respect to syria. he understands how tough history's judgment, when you look at aleppo, and when you look at-- when you look at what's happened there. he says he knows that he failed to do what he had hoped to do. and he also knows -- and he wants us to know, i think-- that he tried hard and he finally found no way that he thought would mach a difference. that was his judgment of what

his options were, other than the infusion of a significant number of american troops while we are engaged already in other places. >> that's right. he said, "i couldn't do it on the cheap." >> rose: it is a stun, allegation, that vladimir putin and the russian government used hackers to help donald trump win the presidency. the claim has been rid could by both president putin and president-elect trump this week. how convincing is the evidence that the russians wanted to influence the american election? mike morell is a former acting director and former deputy director of the c.i.a. >> we know with certainty that the u.s. intelligence community, the entire community, all of the agencies said black in october, back in october that the russians were interfering in our

election. what's new here in the last few days is not an official statement by the government but's series of leaks, and it looks from those leaks as if the central intelligence agency, the group of people they used to run, not only believe that the russians were interfering in the election, but they were doing so with the intent to undermine secretary clinton and to help donald trump. it doesn't sound to me as if the rest of the intelligence community is this yet with that judgment. but it's not unusual, charlie, for the c.i.a. to lead the rest of the community and for the rest of the community to eventually catch up. >> rose: why do you say that? >> it's just what has been tradition. it just is what is typical. c.i.a. is quicker to make judgments than other agencies. it tends to lead the community in the judgments that it makes. so it's just-- it just tends to what happened over time. one of the things, charlie, that really caught my attention in the-- in the leak that happened

last friday, the piece that ran in the "washington post," was it said that not only does the c.i.a. believe that it was the intent of the russians to help trump, but that the c.i.a. believed this with high confidence. that is the highest confidence level there is, high confidence. it usually indicates that there is not just one source of information but many source of information. it means that it is not a circumstantial case but a direct case. so it sounds to me like the c.i.a.'s got some pretty compelling information here that has led it to this judgment. >> rose: and why do you think the president-elect is rejecting this? >> i-- i think largely. i have two theorys. theory number one is believing it, right, believing this raises questions about the legitimacy

of his election. and, obviously, that's the last thing he wants to do. so his natural instinct is just to to reject the prem glis reet. >> i think he also believes, charlie, that-- and this is based on some things that he has said and based on some things that kellyanne conway has said. but i think he believes that the central intelligence agency may be politica political. and, you know, from-- from-- from his-- it's have interesting, charlie, to look at this from his perspective. he has his first intelligence briefing, and within 24-48 hours of that intelligence briefing, there are leaks about what happened at the briefing. and those leaks about what happened at the briefing are not positive about him. so i think he ceend of puts all that together and he sees c.i.a. as a political organization with a political agenda, and that could not be further from the

truth, charlie. it is directly the opposite. the central intelligence agency, as you know, is apolitical, it's nonpartisan, it's very ethos. it's-- it's the strongest tenant in the place is call them like you see them, no matter its impact on politics, no matter its impact on policy. >> rose: his book received the national book award for nonfiction. his latest cover for for "the atlantic" is called, "my president was black." >> i feel like that's the culmination of really just eight years of writing about the president. i had written about him from afar, probably for the first

four years or so. and was invited to a few off-the-record briefings to, you know, be in conversation with him there. and i think, at least for the past three years or so, you know, we always had in our mind it would be great if "the atlantic--" and especially given "the atlantic's" heritage-- starting out as a journal of abolition. >> rose: just start from the beginning because you and i have talked about this. you think he has been a great president. >> i do. i do, i do. and that does not mean that i am without criticism. it does not mean that, you know, everything he did was great. but i think one of the things i've had to dee-- you know, it's funny because over the past eight years, i feel in some ways i've been radicalized and in other ways i've become more conservative. i had to, when i wrote this piece-- this is hard for me even to say now-- i had to judge him against other presidents. in other words, i couldn't judge

him solely against what i-- you know, against an ideal of what should happen in the country. but i had to take consideration of what presidents have done throughout history. >> rose: so did he rise when you did that? >> he did. it's hard to say that. >> rose: talk about how you think he's unique as well. because he sees white people different than you do. >> yeah, i think so. >> rose: he does. >> i mean, i think he sees white people different than most black people. >> rose: and that's your point. >> that's my point, yes, yes, yes. i think the wounds of racism for the president are individual, by which i mean, he has incidents that he can talk about. but when you're born into an african american community in the the mainland, like evidence, like his wife was, like most african-americans are, and you're part of a deeply, deeply segregated group, the wound is not just individual. it's collective.

it's in everyone you see around you. it's in your very heritage, you know what i mean? at the end of this piece i talk about my dad's own history and his interactions, if we want to call them that, with the f.b.i. those things you-- you carry those things with you, you know what i mean? and barack obama didn't really have that. he was shielded from most of that. >> rose: i had an interesting conversation last night, not even thinking about you and the piece-- with a very intelligent and enormousliful man. and i said, eight years of president obama is coming to an end, and how do you assess it? and he talked most about the dignity of the man. >> i think the obamas were aware there would be a double standard and that's part of what happened. they were rising to a certain level, i think. you know, i think that was part of it. i think part of it is who they are, but i think they also understood as the first black, you know, family to be in the white house, they had to adhere-- it's the same thing with rack jackie robinson, right? he could not just be a great

baseball player. he had to comporpt himself a certain way and that was important. >> rose: viet thanh nguyen won the 2016 pulitzer prize for fiction. >> i grew up in the united states as a refugee from vietnam. i was born in vietnam, but i came here when i was four. and i grew up well aware of how americans thought about their vietnam war. and what that meant for me as a vietnamese person was to know that the american side of this totally excluded the vietnamese experience. >> rose: yes. >> and i grew up with vietnamese people who were always talking about the war, thinking, feeling about it. >> rose: and they all felt their sense of what they felt,

what it meant to them, how it impacted them, how it changed their life, was not in the american experience. >> absolutely not. the vietnamese refugees here in the united states had fled from vietnam. they had been defeated. they definitely knew their stories were going to be erased in vietnam and came to the united states and saw americans were not interested in all in what the south vietnamese had at's the type of environment i grew up in. >> rose: there are many answers to this question, but in essence, what was it about their lives? was it simply that the totality of their lives was not there or was it one part of their lives? >> i think it really was the to talgt. they lost a war and lost a country and many lost family administration property, identity, prestige-- all of that was wrapped up in what it meant to be a refugee in the expwriewts witness their children being americanized and growing up in a way that was radically different from what they imagined their lives to be. all that became centralized around the fact that the

particular story of the vietnam war was being told differently than how they had experienced it. >> rose: but this is also your story, too. >> well, partially. it's not auto biographical. >> rose, of course, not, but it is your story. >> it is my story, because it is a part of my history. when i say "my history" i mean both the vietnamese experiences but also the american experiences because i grew up with both. and i wanted the novel to be an membering this history.werew the >> rose: why this title? >> well, the narrator of the novel, the protagonist is a man who sees every issue from both sides as we learn from the first line of the book. he's a communist spy in the south vietnamese army, educated in the united states. so he's able to sympathize with everybody. and, of course, as a communist, he's also potentially labeled as a stiezer. so that word has two meanings for the narrator. and so the theme of sympathy, of what it means to be able to not only sympathize with the people we love and we care for, but to

sympathize with our enemies, that's what he struggles with throughout his entire story. >> rose: "patriots day" is a new film from writer-director peter berg. it depicts the 2013 bombing of the boston marathon and the manhunt that followed. mark wahlberg leads the cast in the role of a boston police sergeant, and much of the storyline is drawn from the experiences of former police commissioner ed davis. >> the question was is it too soon? and then we realized that it's really not soon enough if you, you know, every day you turn on the news or you open up a newspaper there's another attack somewhere. and, you know, so we felt we wanted to promote that message which, you know, love will always win. and, you know, we need to come together and unite. and i also looking at how my city, my home town, reacted and responded in the face of terror.

>> we've got multiple explosions. we need help down here! >> it was amazing. it made me so proud to be a bostonian, and i wanted to sthair that story with people. >> rose: take me back to the prime. what was your-- you never had seen exg like this. you had no idea it would be possible for something like this to happen in boston. >> right, well we prepare for possible terrorist events but you never think it's going to happen to you. i got there and saw these were i.e.d.s, that they had been built to kill and maim people and we had people dead at the scene, i realized the enormity of the event and had a really tremendous sense of urgency to track these guys down and get them off the street. >> rose: another but in the beginning the response is-- i mean, you also have the f.b.i. on site. >> right, yup and there's a degree of conflict there. >> there can be, yes. we worked together very closely on a bush of different cases but this is a complex undertaking and there are always differences

of opinion, and those came to the fore in our investigation. >> rose: and what's your recommendation to any police commissionener america in terms of to respond to a terreft attack? >> it's all in the preparation. you need to have a plan. you need to be prepared. you need ton where your resources are, and you need to have relationships with the f.b.i. and with the the other responders, the people who are going to be your partners if it all goes wrong. so you need to know them beforehand. you can't introducing yourself to them the day it happens. >> rose: if you were to make the film again what would do you differently? m very happy with the film. >> rose: you made the film you intended to make. >> there were so many people who played a critical role in this, in these 150-odd hours from the time the bombs went off to the time they captured the younger brother in the boat, that we couldn't tell-- i would like to have gone deeper. i mean, there's a young chinese american named danny ming, who was carjacked by the two brothers who, arguably, was more

responsible than any one single person for not only capturing ththe brothers, but they were on their way to manhattan. they were coming here to blow up times square. and this young man had such courage and poise and intelligence for the hour and a half he was in the car while they gassed up and took all his money and a.t.m., went after the next and were getting ready to leave and he knew they were going to kill him and come to manhattan and he planned the right moment for an escape and to do what he did took such incredible courage. and i think the commissioner would probably agree, he was very much a part of the capture. and, you know, that's just one example of so many people who did so much. if we had another hour in the .ovie, we could have filled it >> rose: a new exhibit titled "the rolling stones exbitionism "is running at new york's

industrial studio through march 12. it gives fans a close-up look at instruments, stage costumes, posters, album art, and more. even the apartment mig jagger and keith risms shared when they were just 19. the curator is eileen gallagher, ross hager and aaron clar produced our report. ♪ ♪ ( cheers ) >> when new york city and indust ria on west 12th street in the village, the rolling stones exhibition. when we put together the exhibition, we were very cognizant of the fact that this is not the end of the band by any means. they're still performing. they're still creating art. as a matter of fact, they're just coming out with a new album. this is a band that has been so much a part of our popular

culture and our lives that it's really's a cell braegz. the stones have always been very conscious and cognizant of what it means to have visual iconography associated with the band. >> album covers were really a big thing. i mean, they were going back in time, they were really big in the 50s, too. they were an identification. you weren't every day look at another image on your phone. this was a kind of disassociative image with your band or yourself as a singer. >> we recreated this apartment. accurate in detail, that it's--

it's almost an eerie feeling to look at it. ♪ ♪ >> this is the part of the style exhibition called "spectacle" where the band worked with well-known designers to kind of create looks for stage. >> so many good outfits. i'd love to try them all on and swish around that room in them ♪ i can't get no satisfaction >> >> presumably the people who come here are, as you say, fans, and i want them to walk away with the same sort of-- i guess the same feeling that i do, wow, what a trip. >> it's knot a lot of memories, really. >> "oh, i remember that day. that's the day somebody fell over." it just brings back a memory. ♪ ♪ >> the exhibition really is not

only about the impact of the stones music of the times but really their impact on popular culture. and we really hope that visitors kind of come away from the exhibition and see just how much the stones have impacted popular culture over 54 years. ( cheers and applause ) >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. from all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we'll see you again next time. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: captioning sponsored by rose communications

>> rose: welcome to the program. tonight, president obama's final press conference this afternoon before leaving for vacation in hawaii. >> once we had clarity and certainty around what, in fact, had happened, we publicly announced that, in fact, russia had hacked into the d.n.c. >> rose: also this evening tom friedman of the "new york times" about the president and what he said. >> my overall reaction is one of profound sadness and depression because i am going to, speaking just for myself as one citizen, so miss this man's decency, his integrity, the way he is reflective about issues. i don't always agree with him, but he has been, i think in so many ways, he, his family and