>> rose: welcome to the program, i am charlie rose, the program is charlie rose the week. just ahead, donald trump is sworn in as america's 45th president, vice president pence offers preview of the enough administration. and denzel washington reprices his role as troy maxim and directs the film version of august wilson's movie. >> you never liked me. what law is there to say i have to like you? a man a is supposed to take care of his family. you live in my house, you eat my food and you are my son. now i let you go through life worrying about whether someone would like you or not you best be making sure you are doing right by you. >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen, funding for charlie rose was provided by the

>> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> donald trump took the oath of office to become the 45th president of the united states. president obama gave his last news conference on wednesday. and in football, the green bay packers kicked a last second field goal to defeat the dallas cowboys and advance to the nfc championship game. here are the sights and sound of the past seven days. the last man on the moon died at 82. >> former astronaut jane cernin has died.

>> in the early hours of new year's day has been arrested. >> a devastating avalanche buries an italian hotel. >> a series of earthquakes in italy triggered the earthquake. >> malaysia flight mh 370 has now been called off. >> george w. bush is hospitalized. chief of staff says he is doing fine, very well, the doctors have a couple of theories about his ailment. >> the widow of the orlando nightclub shoot search expected to make her first court appearance. >> obstruction of just and other charges. >> a rough confirmation hearing for cabinet nominees. >> it is tough questioning for the nominee. >> did you enjoy meeting me? i hope you are as much fun on that diet as you were on the -- >> ♪ ♪ it is the last dance. >> rose: president obama holds

a final press conference. >> hello, everybody. >> we will confront, but we will get the job done. every four years we gather on these steps to carry tout orderly and peaceful transfer of power. >> donald trump said after he is sworn into office on bring the he is going to take the weekend off. >> trump is not going to start until monday. >> he apparently thinks the presidents gets saturday and sundays off. >> instead of hail to the chief it is going to be everybody is working for the weekend. ♪ everybody's working for the weekend. >> rose: donald trump is sworn in as 45th president of the united states today, while some had predicted the president trump might use it as a call to unity instead heavy gave a populist speech that often echoed his campaign speeches. >> today we are not merely

transferring power from one administration to another, or from one party to another, but wwe are transferring power from washington dc and giving it back to you, the people. their victories have not been your victories. their triumphs have not been your triumphs, and while they celebrated in our nation's capitol, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land. >> rose: joining me now in in washington, mark liberty witch of "the new york times" magazine. atlanta, at hunt of bloomberg view and also joining us, white house correspondent for bloomberg, i am pleased to have each of them here for this program on this historic day in america. margaret, the speech. >> president trump's speech was entirely a u.s. focused speech. you say certainly that it was focused on his the horizon beyond that just not beyond the

0 shores of the united states except to suggest foreign interests whether our allies or ennis are all out to get us economically. it is striking. >> i agree, but also it was quite different, charlie, that the speech that ronald reagan gave in 1981, it lacked the optimism that reagan had while delivering some of the, same conservative messages and different than the speech president bush gave in 2001 when he showed such grace and civility towards al gore who he had actually tied with, as opposed to lose the popular vote. so it was a very confrontational speech as you said he talked about america carnage, there are a lot of problems in america, i am not quite sure there is a carnage in the land but it was a dark speech in many ways and i think it is one that certainly appealed to his base. i don't have any question of that, his base, i think is about 39 percent of the american people, i think governing the 39 percent is going to be a challenge. i was struck by how little

effort he made to reach out to the voters who didn't support him in this election. this is a president who lost the popular vote by 3 million votes. i remember talking to republicans on the night of the election and i remember a lot of them were excited that in his remarks, his victory speech he did make the point of reaching out to the rest of the country. you didn't hear that in his speech today, and i guess i am puzzleds to why. i think everyone here is kind of in agreement. .. this was a speech for his base. it sounds add lot of the same populist themes that he used on the campaign trail, but it was not a speech seen for the whole country. >> he has listened to his bail base very clearly. i think, they are terrified of accused of being a sellout to the people who elected him and one thing donald trump has shown, strangely through the transition he does like to impress the person who is in front of him. he will now be surrounded by the establishment that he is vowing to blow up. it will be interesting and even the body language today with some of the leaders of the house

and senate, the obamas, it was pretty warm if i could read body language, so what, we will see how that continues to evolve. >> rose: swoorn in friday as the nation's 48th vice president, the 58-year-old former governor and congressman will play a pivotal role for president trump. we talked tuesday about what to expect from the new administration. >> we have been working not only in the transition assembling our government but working with leaders in the house, senate, rank and file and put together plans to repeal and replace obamacare, and at the same time to roll back excessive regulations to start discussions of tax reform, all focused on keeping our promises and getting the economy rolling again and can't quite get started. >> rose: you have been asked before, the tweet, are they

necessary, b, distracting and does he have to tilt at every windmill that criticizing him? >> i think one of the -- one of the really refreshing things about the president-elect is that he speaks his mind. and the american people hear him loud and clear. and types he does that from a podium and types he does that in an interview. >> rose: but the message on the economy and foreign policy. >> i don't believe it really does, charlie. >> rose: you are okay with that a? >> yes. i will tell you in the ways that president teddy roosevelt reinvented the presidency into a bully pulpit and i this think you are going to see a president dot donald trump who will use that bully pulpit in new and 21st century ways to communicate our agenda to american people, to marshal the kind of support to bring real change to washington, d.c. and restore our economy and our place in the world. >> rose: other than drawer and childcare, where are the areas that you think, maybe tax reform you can find common ground with

deposition to push an agenda forward? >> i think there are broad bipartisan support for tax reform reform, the fact we have a tax system today that traps the profits of american companies overseas has always enjoyed broad bipartisan reform as the president elect called for and let me tell you, we are going to repeal and replace obamacare at the same time, we understand the democrats are not enthusiastic about repeal, but frankly i had meetings even this week with leading democrats on capitol hill talking about our desire for their input on what that replacement program will be. >> rose: the re, what, when is that replacement program being presented to the congress. >> it is being assembled right now with congress and policy leaders within our incoming administration. i would expect in the early weeks of our administration the american people will -- >> rose: next week. >> see that plan and perhaps -- >> rose: have the repeal presented -- >> it may not be that quick but

it will be quick. you will see a tremendous amount of activity, particularly both signing executive orders repealing executive orders, the rolling back ex-is 6 receive regulations and the president elect said they will be announcing his choice for the supreme court of the united states before the end of the month. >> rose: congressman paul ryan was reelected speaker of the house this month wit with the support but all one house republican, he will be a critical player in pushing through the agenda. hoo search part of our conversation from thursday. >> we think regulations are a big deal. this is really one of the biggest dark clouds over our economy. >> rose: not just frank dodd but regulations -- >> all regulations. i can spend an hour 0 on the labor department, we can spend another hour on the epa. so all of the energy things. this is one thing that i think the obama administration went

far past where they should have gone, and this is where i biff the president the worst marks of all, regulations, he hyperregulated this economy. it is stifling jobs, raising the cost of business, raising the cost of products, so without going too far down that road, inflations, regular regulations, you want to get to the affordable care act. we will bring forward all of these things at the same time. they can't be in the same bill, that's a procedural challenge we have. but we intend on bringing all of our bills together that show what we would repeal and replace it by and we believe we can advance in this budget bill, not just the repeal of obamacare but a lot of the replace. >> rose: but they wouldn't know what you want to replace it with and where the money is coming from. >> no, no. it comes from obamacare, because obamacare is built on the house's sand, house of sand that is quickly collapsing, we want to direct it what is smarter replacement policy. >> rose: what do those things

look like, a couple of things? >> one, we think health savings accounts can help people with deductible spending. we think the the smartest way to help preexisting conditions is through risk pools. that means it is about eight percent of the under 65 population are people in that category you have cancer, heart disease, let's just pay for their care and by doing it that way, the rest of the pools of americans don't have to cover those losses, and we dramatically stabilize the insurance rates and premiums for everybody else. so by having taxpayers, i think, step up and focus on the risk pools, subsection of the care with catastrophic illnesses, those losses don't have to be covered by everybody else and we stabilize their plans. we also think that a refundable tax credit is a smarter way to get people the ability to go buyin insurance they would like, that they can afford, that sat better than the subsidies and referral tax credit means you get assistance regardless of your income tax liability to buy care, and we want more insurance

competition. we want more choices. that is why we want things like interstate shopping, athlete insurance compete across black lines we have a lizard selling us insurance. why can't we have a vie grant, better marketplace like that for health insurance? >> rose: russia, this is what you have said. >> in a town hall meeting last week. russia is a global menace led by a man who is menacing. >> yes. >> rose: we have to step up our game with respect to confronting russia. >> absolutely. >> rose: that doesn't sound like the president elect to me, that sounds like the speaker of the house. >> well, i mean, i am him and he is him and he is the executive branch and i am the legislative. >> rose: and you are the speaker of the house and having conversations with him. >> i think -- >> rose: wouldn't 0 you want to say -- a long-term strategy is -- >> i believe he believes in carrot stick diplomacy. >> transactional, negotiating first offer but not my final position? >> i think that -- i think it serves him extremely well.

i think it has worked very well and made a difference before he even got in office on this, so i think that is nontraditional. i will go and out on a limb here, i think there will be an unconventional presidency. >> rose: that's a big limb. >> rose: susan white stepped down this week after three and a half years of president obama's national security advisor. before that, she served as the ambassador to the united nations, in her exit interview with me she talked about some of the challenges facing the new administration. >> i think we need to be very concerned about the potential, deliberate or inadvertent for russia to miscalculate and provoke a conflict in the european theatre. i say that because russia's actions have been increasingly aggressive and it is unclear what putin's intentions are,

particularly after crimea, illegal occupation of ukraine and in fact, also the atrocities he has been party to in syria. so i worry about russia. >> rose: and what has been troubling for you and the president and for the country, syria. you have said, you are not in favor of the united states intervening in a civil war between bashar al-assad and the rebel forces. >> intervening militarily a. >> rose: intervening militarily. what you did, what if you did intervene momentarily and it looks like their intervention made a significant difference, russia intervened. does that hurt our standing in the world? >> charlie, what i think would hurt our standing far more than russia deciding to commit itself militarily -- >> rose: going in, the results are on their side. >> they are taking the losses and bearing the costs of what we

think is a misguided policy to back as sad. what are our interests, whether in the united states interests to get involved in another hot war on the ground in the middle east? we don't think so. >> rose: the question is, were your assumptions right? because of the ramifications. look at europe and what happened with migration. look at the political future of the president's best friends, and merkel, she is faces reelection and it is not sure. look what happened to the rise of populism, all a product, in part, in part -- >> the populism had many other dimensions to it. we discussed some of them, including -- >> so let me say this. that there is no doubt that what has evolved in syria as a result of the civil conflict particularly the refugee outflow and marley the outflow that has gone to europe has been

destabilizing, there is no question about that. but the united states getting involved in the war on the ground or even the war in the air wouldn't have da lessened the fact of the refugees. >> rose: there is a larger issue, and i know that the administration is conscious of it, there is a perception in some parts of the world that the united states is retrenching. >> charlie, i think the fundamentals remain the same. the united states is still the single largest military force on the planet. it is still the largest economy and it is still the one country that has a global network of alliances that are profoundly important to our security. when there are problems around the world, whether it is the russian invasion of the ukraine or ebola epidemic or the war to fight isil, the world looks to the united states to lead, they are not looking to russia or china to lead, they are looking to the united states.

>> rose: michael lewis, the author and screen writer has a new book, it is currently number 5 on "the new york times"'s best seller list and it is called the undoing project, it tells the story of two psychologists, and how they acclaimed for their pioneering work on the human mind ended their relationship. >> if you look all all of these discoveries they made about the human mind and how it works, can you go and attribute that to one or the other or do you have to say in every case it is something that they came through, that they came to together? >> so that is the question. that is the question that unraveled the relationship. everybody asked that question. who did it? that sounds more like amos. that, amos, because amos was so breathtakingly intelligent on the service, people saw the work

and they said well we can see how amos may have done this more than danny may have done this. and so long as they were in israel people didn't pay much attention to who did what, but the answer is you can't, the answer is, their work they did separately from each other was nothing like the work -- the work they did together had its own voice and neither one of them would have been able to do it alone and they both acknowledge that to themselves and to each other and to the world. the world didn't want to hear it so amos got given for joint work the macarthur genius award without danny. he was given -- he was admitted to the national academy of sciences without danny, i mean one of the things he was given, the fastest, i was told by the stanford administration, the fastest tenured appointment in the history of stanford history, found out he was available and maybe on the market in the morning and that afternoon they gave amos a job offer, and danny, they didn't think to give

danny a job offer. so the world sought to kind of, and they said, he said for some reason the world is hostile to collaboration, and maybe it is like hostile to marriage but people need to assign individual credit. but the couple was under constant assault from the outside, especially the academic work to kind of say who did what and that was a horrible mistake because what, when they were together, they actually said in an interview, that never got published in the early eighties, he said, you know, together, separately we are okay, together we are genius. and the idea that you have to pick it apart is such a shame. let them just stay together, the magic there. >> rose: why did they break up? >> i think that what drove them apart was danny's perception that as their situations, their status became unequal, amos's feelings for him change, he

started of believing the press a little bit. >> rose: that's what danny thought. >> right. and he felt maybe a little condescended to or amos became -- danny became just another person that could be, and could be slightly contemptuous about it. i don't know if that is true. i think danny felt that way, and he -- it was incredibly wounding because they were in love, i mean, and he pushed him away. >> rose:. >> amos couldn't -- >> he fled. so he ceased to collaborate with him. >> rose:. >> six years ago, denzel washington won a tony award for the role of troy max son in the play fences. now he is playing troy maxim again in the film version of the drama, one he also produced and directed. i spoke with him alongside wilson's widow. >> it started with the play.

scott brought the screen play to me seven years ago. i read it and i realized i hadn't read the play. so i read the play, and it says troy, 53 and i was 55 when i read it, i thought, oh, i am thinking, i thought i was too young for the part going back to seeing it in the eighties, i saw it through corey's eyes, so i called up scott and i said i wanted to do the play and that rose: i want to do the play. >play. >> i want to do the play, i want to do the play first. i don't think i said i want to do the play first because i wasn't going to commit, but i had to go through that expression to find out if i could do the part. >> rose: did it speak to you from the very beginning when you read it? oh, yeah, yeah. >> rose: what was it? >> that's a good question, because it is not one thing. it is not like i saw that and i went, oh, it is like, oh sort of like my father, oh, yeah that's how we used to do it, it was our culture, it was, you know, things we were talking about. >> you don't want to be like me. i want to make it as far away from my life as i can get.

>> and the time that he took to let people tell stories was so natural and real, it just made me think of holidays around my house or times when uncles or somebody was always the one that kept going and kept see him drink it and now it is down there. >> rose: where did august put fences among all of the things he did? >> i think that after he wrote maureen, maureen's black bottle with which was his first ashes lot of critics were saying yes she a fantastic writer, and he has written a beautiful play, but can he rise to the level of a tennessee williams and arthur miller and can he write the classic american play?

and i think that he rolled up his sleeves and it is not that he set out to write, you know, with those two giants, you know, sitting on his shoulder, but he did say, i want to write a treatise on the -- on american life. the people that surrounded him while he was growing up, the men that surrounded him, you know, he wanted to add value to their lives. he wanted to say, you know, what is it about it that makes them so noble, so, you know -- people who are worth remembering? and he wrote this play to answer those questions, and if you look at the body of his work, this is the only may that has one central figure, and the central figure is larger than life sized man, and the others are much more, sure there are some central figures but the

attention is spread a little more as an ensemble. nea♪ >> rose: mere is a look at the week ahead. sunday is the first day of the spring, paris fashion week. monday is the first day of the federal tax filing season. tuesday the day the oscar nominations are announced. wednesday is the celebrating david bowie good will concert in los angeles. thursday is the day harvard's pudding club awards, it's woman of the year. friday is the day of the court hearing in melania trump's defamation lawsuit. saturday is women's finds files of the australian tennis open. and here is what is new for your weekend. >> the women's march on washington starts at 10:00 a.m. saturday morning at independence avenue and third street in

washington. >> rick ashers becomes north american tour with dates in las vegas, nevada and tempe, arizona. >> and the m. night shy ma lynn movie split opens in theaters nationwide. >> the beast is real. >> that's charlie rose, the week for this week, on behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. i am charlie rose. we will see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by:

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