captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. >> mora: and i'm antonio mora. >> woodruff: on the newshour tonight: >> we only want to admit those into our country who will support our country. >> woodruff: closing the door. president trump's latest executive actions ban refugees from syria and halt immigrants nations. >> mora: then, a warm welcome for british prime minister theresa may, the first white house visit from a foreign leader. >> the invitation is an indication of the strength and importance of this special relationship that exists between our two countries. >> woodruff: and, it's friday. mark shields and david brooks are here to analyze the first week of donald trump's presidency. >> mora: all that and more, on tonight's pbs newshour.

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pronouncements ranging from refugees to russia. he spoke out today at both the white house and the defense department. lisa desjardins begins our coverage. >> it's big stuff. >> reporter: with the first week of his presidency over, mr. trump acted on one of his most polarizing promises. the pentagon was the backdrop, as he signed an executive action on curbing the admission of refugees. >> i'm establishing new vetting measures to keep radical islamic terrorists out of the united states of america. we don't want them here. we only want to admit those into our country who will support our country and love, deeply, our people. >> reporter: candidate trump repeatedly called for "extreme vetting" of those from countries with ties to terrorism. he first introduced the idea as a ban on all muslims. >> donald j. trump is calling

for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states, until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on! >> reporter: last year, former president barack obama welcomed nearly 85,000 refugees, including more than 12,000 syrians, and he increased the limit for this year to 110,000. the president also signed documents today calling for a dramatic expansion of the armed services. and, he attended a ceremonial swearing-in for defense secretary james mattis. earlier, after meeting with british prime minister theresa may, the president said mattis, who believes torture does not work, will have the last word on using waterboarding or other severe interrogation methods. >> i'm going to rely on him. i happen to feel that it does work. i've been open about it for a long period of time. but i am going with our leaders. >> reporter: on relations with russia, prime minister may said she firmly believes in continued

sanctions against moscow, for its actions in ukraine. but the president demurred. >> as far as the sanctions, it's very early to be talking about that. but we look to have a great relationship with all countries. but if we can have a great relationship with russia and with china and with all countries, i'm all for that. >> reporter: mr. trump will speak with russian president putin by phone tomorrow. today, he held an hour-long phone call with mexican president enrique pena nieto, who had canceled a visit to washington over the president's executive order to build a border wall. president trump said today's it was a very good call, but he also renewed his complaint that mexico is taking advantage of the u.s. on trade. >> the united states cannot continue to lose vast amounts of business, vast amounts of companies and millions and millions of people losing their jobs. that won't happen with me.

>> reporter: the mexican government issued its own statement, saying the two leaders have agreed not to talk publicly about the border wall dispute-- for now. >> woodruff: and lisa joins usn. so, lisa, you reported that the president left it open whether he is going to lift the sanctions that now exist against russia, economic and other sanctions, but we saw today republican congressional leaders quickly weighed in. >> that's right. not so open on the other end of pennsylvania avenue. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell told politico tonight that he does not want to lift these sanctions. in fact, he went even further and said if there's any regime in the world that does not deserve sanction relief, it's russia. in addition, house speaker paul ryan said he thought these sanctions were overdue. it seems to me, judy, as much as the president may be leaving an open door to sanction relief for russia, the congressmen and leaders there see an opportunity to try and close that door

tonight. >> woodruff: so, lisa, now on a domestic issue question, healthcare reform, there was an audiotape of some of the republican congressional retreat in philadelphia this week, and it leaked. some interesting material on there. what do we learn from that? >> this is just unprecedented. these are private meetings where members sort of let loose, if you will, and say things they do not say in public and here "the washington post" and others have received an anonymous tape from this and confirmed it from several others in the room. in that tape it shows many members of the house and republican conference are nervous about what's ahead and how exactly they thread several needles, such as how they make sure premiums don't go up and no one loses healthcare coverage and make sure they don't have

political backflow from this. for others who don't want to use their names they say it's becoming there's no silver bull it forethe house republicans and this will be messy with tough votes ahead for republicans. >> woodruff: fascinating. quickly, this has been a very busy week. you've already get a sons of what's coming up next week. >> ged retie. next week, off the confirmation fights ongoing and a supreme court nominee we expect plus the beginnings of committee debate over how to repeal obamacare, so buckle up. >> woodruff: we are buckling up. lisa desjardins at the white house, thank you. >> mora: in the day's other news, the national park service confirms president trump ordered it to put out more photos of his inauguration crowd. that came in a phone call to the agency's acting head, on saturday. "the washington post" reports the president was angry over images that showed his crowd was dwarfed by president obama's in 2009. a white house spokesman said today, "president trump is someone who takes action and

gets things done." >> woodruff: the new american ambassador to the united nations, nikki haley, is starting her tenure with a warning. this was nikki haley's first day on the job at the u.n., and she pledged support for u.s. allies. but the former south carolina governor also made it known, "for those that don't have our back-- we're taking names." >> mora: 72 years ago today, soviet troops liberated the nazi death camp at auschwitz, poland. today, elderly survivors gathered there to mark the event on "international holocaust remembrance day." along with the polish prime minister, they laid candles at a monument for more than six million jews murdered by the nazis, including more than one million at auschwitz. >> ( translated ): i don't feel like a guest of honor here. i always feel either a former prisoner, or a prisoner. because when i walk down this corridor, the one we just entered through, i still walk

naked, just like then. because this is in my memory, and not only mine-- i speak with friends-- we are all branded for life with these horrible experiences. >> mora: at the united nations today, secretary general antonio guterres warned that anti-semitism and anti-muslim hatred are on the rise. he said, "irrationality and intolerance are back." >> woodruff: the u.s. economy's growth in 2016 was the weakest in five years. the commerce department reports the rate of expansion was just 1.6% from the year before. president trump has set a goal of doubling the growth rate to 4% a year through tax cuts, public works spending and deregulation. >> mora: and, wall street finished this friday with a lackluster showing, thanks in part to the disappointing data on growth. the dow jones industrial average lost seven points to close at 20,093. the nasdaq rose five points, and the s&p 500 slipped two. for the week, the dow and the s&p rose 1% or more. the nasdaq was up nearly 2%. >> woodruff: still to come on

the newshour: more on the president's order to limit the number of refugees coming to the u.s.; the first visit of britain's prime minister to the white house; tens of thousands march against abortion with the vice president's support, and much more. >> mora: president trump's executive order to limit refugees, immigrants and visitors to the united states aims to reduce the possibility of terrorist attacks here at home. but, will it be effective? we get two views. daniel benjamin was ambassador- at-large and coordinator for counter-terrorism at the u.s. state department during the obama administration. he's now at dartmouth college. and reuel marc gerecht is a former c.i.a. case officer. he's now a senior fellow with the foundation for the defense of democracies. it is very good to have you both with us. dan, i want to start with you. we believe the order calls for the suspension of entry to the

u.s., people from seven mostly muslim countries. do you think that will fulfill the order's intent of protecting americans from terrorism? >> no, i don't think it will do anything to make us safer. since 9/11, there hasn't been a single case of terrorists coming in from outside the country to carry out an attack, so it's really hard to believe this executive order is going to improve on the very, very good job that our immigration system does right now. that system has been improved dramatically since 9/11. applicants for visas or to immigrate here are streamed many times against many databases with all kinds of information that might tell us something about them, and i don't think that this is going to in any way help and if anything will send the wrong signal and might undermine our security by

further disturbing muslim communities here at home about their feeling -- and increase their feeling of isolation and embattlement. >> mora: to dan's point, most terrorism in the united states has been homegrown but 9/11 was carried out by people from foreign countries. do you think going after these seven countries makes sense? >> well, we have to wait to see the details, but i'm skeptical. i think they need to know what the bush and the obama administrations have done wrong, and as dan said, i think the process has gotten pretty rigorous. now, if they can find some area of improvement, go ahead and show us, but -- >> well, they are calling for tighter visa screening around the world and saying that countries who don't help will end up being penalized and won't

get visas. that will great a tremendous -- >> yeah, but where this scares counterterrorism officers most will be european muslims coming to the naissments they may end the visa waiver program for all europeans, but i guarantee you, i once upon a time did a lot of visa around other interviews, and i am skeptical how this mechanically works, that somehow the officers are going to penetrate into this situation more than they have already done, that they're going to be somehow more rigorous than they have already been. >> on the other hand the female attacker in san bernardino had come in and very quickly, after her name was known, it was pretty obvious that she had extremist ties. so can tighter immigration screening help? >> so, look, there is always room for innovation in human designed systems, and one area

that's of great concern but that will be extremely expensive to do a better job on is social media. so you are correct that she is, in some ways, the one outlier in this period, but, you know, we should improve where we can as long as it's cost effective, but we should also keep in mind, though, that more than a third of this terrorist-related crimes that are being carried out by muslims in this country are being carried out by converts and that, really, the largest amount of radicalization is going on within our borders. so i think we need to spend a lot more money on, you know, increasing our connectivity with those communities so that we can give them the tools to identify people who are radicalizing and give them offramps, keep them from going to distance and taking to violence. >> but it has been somewhat different in europe, where a lot

of the european terrorism has been homegrown, you have tunisians, algerians, moroccans, is it maybe we're a few steps removed from that and we need to take action now to avoid what's -- >> that's a good question. the europeans are under a good situation -- a different situation where they had giant refugee waves where there was no security procedures set up, essentially nothing, they just came over, so, in that type of situation, of course, a group like the islamic state or al quaida could implant people into those waves and use them. now, the american system is much more laborious, much more time consuming. there's a reason why there hasn't been a sleeper sell in any of the refugee programs in the united states because you're not guaranteed. why would you deploy a young holy warrior into a system that could take years and probably he might not even get status? >> right, and this order, we believe, also calls for the

suspension of all refugees from syria indefinitely and for a suspension of refugees from any country for the next four months. given what reuel just said, dan, do you agree? is there any point to that? >> no, actually i find this deeply disturbing. it's holocaust remembrance day. what's going on is the worst humanitarian crisis since world war ii and we are punishing those who are suffering most in this condition. we vet refugees from syria for a period of 18 to 24 months before they're allowed to come to the united states, and, you know, if you will permit me, i think we know more about them by the time they get here than we know about the president's finances. and, you know, it's really a remarkable fact that we are punishing these people. we should be taking in more of them. there hasn't been a single case

of terrorist activity on the part of a syrian refugees. >> and, of course, one of the criticisms of all this is this smacks of anti-muslim bigotry and there is a provision in what we believe will be the order that says, once the refugee suspension is lifted, that priority will be given to people who are members of religious minorities in countries, who are persecuted in those countries. at protecting christians. >> i suspect that's the intent. i mean, i don't have a problem with the united states giving, you know, an open door to people being persecuted abroad, and if that happens to be christians, fine, let the christians come in. i really don't have the problem with that. you know, i do think they need to think this through a bit more, and i think they also need to pay particular attention to what they'd do with the europeans because the real truth is we don't talk about it. when it comes to

counterterrorism, the europeans are not free loaders, all right? the british and the french, in particular, are the vanguard of america's protection. it is their security services which are now overwhelmed by the refugee issues that have done the lions share of protecting u.s. shores. so whatever we do, we should coordinate that pretty closely with the europeans and we should try not to do things that are going to make the europeans really upset. >> we'll see how this plays out. reuel marc gerecht and daniel benjamin, good to have both your insights. thanks. >> hi, dan. >> woodruff: in stark contrast to the ban on refugees, the white house opened its doors today to the united states' most trusted ally. as margaret warner reports, in the face of uncharted waters, there was an appreciation of a

shared history. >> it is a great honor to have winston churchill back. >> reporter: president trump had a warm oval office welcome for prime minister may, as the two posed beside a bust of britain's greatest wartime leader. and both are now trying to steer their countries in new directions amid great uncertainty. may is charting britain's withdrawal from the european union after the public voted for brexit, which triggered her predecessor david cameron's resignation. may didn't support leaving the e.u. either, but she's now pledged to see it through, insisting it will be a clean break. >> brexit means brexit, and we're going to make a success of it! >> reporter: last april in london, then-president obama warned that a vote to leave the e.u. would jeopardize a future u.s.-u.k. trade agreement. >> because our focus is in negotiating with a big bloc, the european union, to get a trade

agreement done. and the u.k. is going to be in the back of the queue. >> reporter: mr. trump, however, was a vocal brexit supporter. >> people want to take their country back. >> reporter: nigel farage, the man who led the brexit movement, campaigned with mr. trump, and visited him in new york just days after his election. atop may's agenda now is to get president trump to commit to negotiate a bilateral trade deal as soon as britain leaves the e.u. yet president trump vows to "put america first," and has already issued some protectionist orders, like insisting new oil pipelines be built with american steel. britain's ambassador to the u.s., sir kim darroch, said what may needs now is a pledge to negotiate a deal, not the details. >> as we leave the e.u., we intend to go global-- to have a global series of trading relationships. i think it's reassuring to the british public to know that the door over here is open to doing a deal quickly.

>> reporter: julian borger, "the guardian's" world affairs editor, said negotiating an exit from the e.u. won't be easy. >> it is going to be economically and politically very costly to do. and so trump's arrival is really a political lifeline for her. she can say that "we are now global britain. we look beyond europe. we have-- there's a whole world out there that's willing to buy our stuff and stand with us." and u.s. is exhibit a, our closest ally, "special relationship." these sort of ideas and phrases really resonate in the u.k. >> reporter: former deputy assistant secretary of state heather conley, said mr. trump has a lot at stake in this visit as well. >> president trump needs a successful meeting with his first foreign leader. this is important. he needs to assume and be very presidential. he needs a command of the brief. he needs to make sure that he

represents the united states in a very clear fashion with details and with substance. >> reporter: ever since world war ii, both countries have hailed their "special relationship." in the 1980s, prime minister margaret thatcher and president ronald reagan stood firm against the soviet union. in the 2000s, prime minister tony blair joined president george w. bush's iraq invasion-- at great political cost to blair. today, the prime minister wanted to persuade mr. trump to maintain that security partnership-- standing firm against russian adventurism in ukraine, and maintaining u.s. support for nato, on which he's sent mixed signals. days before taking office, mr. trump told the "times of london" and the german newspaper "bild" that nato was: "..obsolete because it wasn't taking care of terror..." he complained that other members "aren't paying their fair share. very unfair to the united states."

then he added: "with that being said, nato is very important to me." there are other differences too. may, who criticized candidate trump's proposals to ban muslim immigrants and his crude comments about women, is under pressure at home to make those differences clear here. she told a bbc interviewer last weekend: >> some of the comments that donald trump has made in relation to women are unacceptable. whenever there is something that i find unacceptable, i won't be afraid to say that to donald trump. >> reporter: another friction point, mr. trump's suggestion that the u.s. should reinstate torture and other harsh interrogation techniques. she responded wednesday in parliament. >> we have a very clear position on torture. we do not sanction torture. we do not get involved with that, and that will continue to be our position. >> reporter: today, their differences on torture and maintaining sanctions on russia were front and center when they met reporters. on other matters, the president did affirm the two nations' close partnership: >> we have one of the great bonds. we pledge our lasting support to

this most special relationship. >> reporter: but he didn't say a word about a bilateral trade agreement, nor about nato. that left it up to the prime minister to assert that they'd had a meeting of the minds on both: on trade: >> we are discussing how we can establish a trade negotiation agreement, take forward immediate high-level talks, lay the groundwork for u.k.-u.s. trade agreement, and identify >> reporter: and on nato, after saying london would urge other members to hike their defense spending, she added: >> we've reaffirmed our unshakeable commitment to this alliance. mr. president, i think you said, confirmed that you're 100% behind nato. >> reporter: he didn't respond on nato. and on prospects for a trade deal, he said only: >> my position on trade has been solid for many, many years, since i was a very young person talking about how we were getting ripped off by the rest of the world. but we will be talking to your folks about brexit. >> reporter: may will have to

walk a fine line forging a close relationship with mr. trump. thousands of protesters massed in london saturday in opposition to him. again, julian borger: >> he's seen as volatile, unpredictable, and some of his remarks seen as racist. he seems as a dangerous player on the international stage, and also suspected because of his complete refusal to say anything negative about vladimir putin or moscow, who are both viewed deeply unfavorably in the u.k. >> reporter: so there's much work ahead for this "special relationship" to blossom anew. for the pbs newshour, i'm margaret warner. >> mora: stay with us.

coming up on the newshour: mark shields and david brooks analyze the week's news; and an asian american comedian shares his experience with everyday racism. but first, less than a week after saturday's massive women's march on washington, demonstrators again gathered in the nation's capitol today. their message was to call for an end to legal abortion. jeffrey brown has the story. ( crowd cheers ) >> brown: this was the 44th march for life, but it held special significance for tens of thousands of anti-abortion activists, with the coming of a republican president and congress. many arrived in groups from churches and schools, after long bus rides. president trump began their day with a tweet, saying: "to all of you marching, you have my full support." and at a rally before the march, a sitting vice president addressed the annual gathering for the first time.

>> because of all of you and the many thousands who stand with us in marches like this all across the nation, life is winning again in america. >> brown: it's a cold and windy morning here on the national mall. but people are out in numbers. they talked to us about the optimism and new energy around this issue that has galvanized them for so long. they talked to us of being on the very cusp of change. donna katzung of washington, missouri has made the trip to washington d.c. for the last eight years. >> this year, with president trump and vice president pence, you know, there's a feeling, that maybe we're going to get somewhere. that somebody is hearing us, that our voice is out there and being heard. >> brown: the president has already signaled he's listening. on monday, he signed an executive order reinstating the so-called "mexico city policy," which bars federal funds to international aid organizations that offer abortions or abortion advocacy.

he's also said he'll soon announce his supreme court nominee to replace the late justice antonin scalia-- one with similar views on abortion. many here see that as a move toward overturning roe v. wade-- the court's 1973 decision that legalized abortion. >> we would be happy with anything. anything, we're moving in the right direction. but i mean a complete repeal would be our ultimate goal. i've been hoping for that for... that was nothing against president trump, but that's one of the main reasons i voted for him. >> brown: the "march for life" followed on the heels of last saturday's "women's march on washington," protesting the new president. city officials said it drew more than half a million people here, many more around the globe. some women today, like abbey bongiorno of green bay, wisconsin, said they'd felt excluded. >> the pro-lifers weren't really invited to that. as a woman, it was really interesting that i wasn't really allowed to march with fellow women because i believe it's

wrong to have abortions in the united states. >> brown: but they did march today. officials offered no immediate estimate of the crowd. abortion rights supporters were also out, in far smaller numbers, in a counter protest. a recent poll by the pew research center found 57% of the public supports legal abortion in all or most cases, as high as it's been in two decades. and now we look at today's march and more, with marjorie dannenfelser, president of the "susan b. anthony list," a national anti-abortion group. we can withum to you. to what extent do you see the election as having changed the politics of abortion? what is poll now? >> it's revolution as the politics of abortion. we have control of the house and senate and strong commitments from the administration to make real changes for the first time in decades. so we're very well positiont to enact some change. >change. >> brown: the march is an

annual event, long in the planning, but did you see it as a response to last weak's women's march? >> i see it as a contrast. it happens every single years and has for 44 years which shows the staying power and conviction of this group of people. there are a lieutenant of differences between the two. there is a clear mandate for this one. the last week's march was a hodgepodge of issues. you could be marching for something you didn't necessarily agree with because you weren't sure last week. i think that happened to a lot of women in the march. >> brown: polls continue to show broad support for abortion rights. as your movement gains more in the political arena, why does it continue to lag in the larger culture? >> it doesn't lag in the larger culture, especially the agenda we have set forward that trump is behind that congress is poised to pass, a 20-week ban, no abortions after 20 weeks, that's wildly popular. there is no limit currently. theralso a redirect of planned

parenthood funding to organizations that address the whole health of women and don't provide abortions. these are very common ground issues, and no taxpayer funding of abortion at all. these are 60%, 70% issues and that is what's on the agenda of this president, and the voice of that one marcher that you interviewed, it will be tremendous progress. any change in the pro-life direction will mean that there is progress, and it will come far closer to the will of the people, whereas right now they've got nothing. >> brown: the kinds of things you're talking about are in state legislatures, but back to the question about the larger culture, you don't see too much of a shift. >> there is an enormous shift. when you ask the question, do you like pro-choice or pro-life, you generally get about an even split, but generally people are comfortable with pro-choice. when you break down what they mean, they are definitely for late-term bans. this is definitely a federal bill that has been voted on by house and senate last session

and will be voted on again. all the issues i mention are federal priorities, and they have the tremendous backing of the american people, especially women. >> brown: this goes to my next question, though, because a lot of the success in recent years has been at the state level. does the focus now shift to more federal types actions of the kind you're talking about? >> it's both and. the state level will continue because we're stronger on the state level which speaks for the pro-life movement, and because we have the strength on the federal level, we can stand for the nation for a reasonable abortion policy. going from one, there are no restrictions whatsoever, to reasonable restrictions that match up to public policy. and again especially women's views on this. >> brown: next week, as we know, donald trump has said he'll nominate a new supreme court justice. do you stay end of roe v. wade in this and what will finally bring it? when might it occur? >> i doubt very much there will be a day that someone proclaims

will an end to roe v. wade. it was poorly decided in conjunction can doe vs. bolton. liberal jurissists say this was a splaift action instead of judicial. when a 20-week ban is enacted, that will contradict some of roe v. wade. i would be all for overturning it in a day. i think we'll see modest proposals enacted into the lou lau and slowly the will of the people will be enacted into the law as well. >> brown: many people are still parsing the election and the outcome. i have to ask you, even personally, i saw a letter from january 2016 in which a number of anti-abortion leaders wrote a letter saying anybody but donald trump, and there was a quote in there that said, as women, we are disgust bid mr. trump's treatment of individuals, women in particular. >> yeah. i was the author of that letter. >> brown: that's why i'm

asking you. >> that's why i'm saying good question. yes, i was the author of that letter. he was our last choice because to have the reasons that were stated in that letter. he was our last choice, until he was our first choice. why was he our first choice? he was because we are comparing to people with fatal character flaws, in our opinion, at that point. we thought that we weren't sure before that who we could trust, but there was no question that when we compared hicialght, her treatment of the women that went through her husband's life, and trump and how -- and the concerns we had about the outrageous things he said, we were voting on policy in the end, and policy must rule the day, when you have a choice like that, and for us, he was far greater committed pro-life and is turning out to be the far better choice because he is following through on the commitments and become the person we hoped that he would be. >> brown: excuse me. i just wanted to ask you one more question, briefly, if you could. >> sure. >> brown: thinking about the causes and factors behind the

election, how much do you think abortion was a factor in the end in donald trump's victory? >> it was the biggest factor in any election, in any election, abortion was a major factor. he believes that, we know that. we saw the numbers of voters we browghtd to the polls in battleground staith. it was the number one googled items the day before the election, it was on people's minds, we brought those to the battleground states for a win and he knows that and so does mike pence. >> brown: marjorie dannenfelser, thank you very much. >> thanks. >> woodruff: from executive actions to early morning tweets, the first week of the trump administration has been marked by a flurry of twists and turns. to help make sense of it all, we turn to the analysis of shields and brooks. that's syndicated columnist mark shields, and "new york times" columnist david brooks.

welcome to both of you. and i guess you could say, mark, from mexico to russia, from oil pipelines to healthcare, it has not been a quiet first week. how's it gone? >> if you're a trump supporter, terrific. he's done what he said he was going to do, he was -- honored his campaign commitments on the wall, on keeping the borders secure, safe, limited, and stopping immigration as much as possible, and building the pipeline and going ahead. i mean, so, in that sense, he didn't lose any support among his supporters. among his critics, i think, whose doubts were in large part not simply ideological, but about the temperament of donald trump, it's reinforced those doubts, his performance, especially the smallness of his preoccupation about the size of the crowd, which he keeps

returning to in a rather bizarre fangs. >> woodruff: how do you see this first week, david? >> we were here a week ago together and it feels like a century. i wonder can he keep up this pace of news and busyness and conflict without exhausting everybody? i will say among business people, the political class and the republicans on the hill, just a great sense of being unnerved, unnerved at the instability. partly h he's done what he said, as mark said. he's undermined the post-world international order pretty quickly. tearing down t.p.p. is a bill that congress says would have produced billions of dollars of earnings every year for americans. picking a fight with their second biggest export market, very unnerving. i don't see the -- but the oleksandr turchynover things i would say is the general sense of chaos and incompetence on how you do it. okay, you want to pick a fight with mexico. do you do it by tweet, have a

proposal for americans paying for the wall, sort of withdraw it then not, maximize design to polarize opinion against mexico in the united states. how much of this is real? he signs papers steve bannon and others wrote for him but who will implement it? we saw it with the syrian been, is the government just going to let him sign papers and then go along their merry way? >> woodruff: mark, coming back to something you both referred to, should everyone who voted for him and watched him for months really expected what we've seen this week? it's the full donald trump coming forward, isn't it? >> no yes. i mean, you know, we've talked about the disenchantment, the age nation of american voters because -- how long have republicans promised a balance budget? how long have republicans pretend they did care deeply about budget deficits? or democrats on their issues

about the poor, about really doing something about those in poverty and income inequality, and then they get elected and, no, you can't do it. whatever else, i mean, he has certainly been against the grain on that. but i don't think the temperamental -- the divide on this week, judy, i think is those who look at donald trump and see somebody who goes to the c.i.a. and -- >> last saturday. and lashes out at the press and complains about the coverage of the size, the wall heroes, sends out his press secretary for his debut looking like a hostage tape complaining about press coverage and insisting it's the biggest crowd ever, nobody has ever measured crowds except barack obama because it was an historic turnout. but the biggest crowd before that was lyndon johnson. nobody knows that. donald trump all of a sudden is preoccupied by it.

one thing that happened this week, i think if i were in the white house i would be deeply concerned about, and that was the dallas stars national league hockey team plays in the american aerials center in dallas -- american airlines center in dallas, they had a capacity crowd right after spicer and the c.i.a. they put attend fns, 1.5 million on the gu jumbotron, and the whole place erupted in laughter. when you become a bunch line 30 hours later after inauguration to dallas hockey fans, that's a problem. >> woodruff: it's only the first week, let's see what happen? >> people are in panic mode. he's picking fights. this is an example. there are two theories of he tells things that are false. is it because he's an

authoritarian figure twisting words in an orwellian manner to exercise control and control people's minds or is he a 5-year-old who has an ego and everybody has to produce photos to make the monarch feel good. >> which do you vote on. the 5-year-old kid. king george the iii. i think he needs the ego fed all the time. after the c.i.a., he gave an abc interview where he talked about the standing ovation that the c.i.a., the longest ever since peyton manning. first of all, the employees couldn't sit down because he didn't tell them. of course it's a standing ovation. they can't sit down. but then the way he went on and on, that was a home run, and, i mean, it's weird. >> which leads, mark, back to, i think again, what both of you

were talking about, and that's this question of facts or what do they call them, alternate facts. are we going to continue to debate this kind of thing for the duration of the first year or the rest of his presidency? >> yes, we are, judy. i'll tell you why, because steve bannon, the president's senior counselor, chief strategist said something this week that's absolutely true, h he said there is no opposition party. the democrats lost 958 slaifts seats during barack obama's eight years. the democrats went into the election of 2016 holding control of seven states with governorship and both sides of the legislature. today, as we sit here, connecticut, rhode island, oregon, california and hawaii are the five states that have democratic governors and democratic legislators. the opposition really is --

marty barron the editor of "the washington post" is the leader of the opposition, david's paper, remainstream media because they're the ones who have to call them account. there are 214 committees -- >> woodruff: steve bannon called the press the opposition party but he meant it, i think. >> whether he meant it or not, he spoke the truth because accountability and fact are going to be maintained, insisted upon, it's only going to come that way. the democrats on the hill are powerless. they couldn't pass salt if they asked for it. i'm sorry. they couldn't pass the sugar. that's how weak they are. >> woodruff: is it that bad is this. >> i think there is another opposition more effective or more important now, which is people who work in government, some the civil servants. if we're going to impose a visa on european countries, they have to process it, and believe me, civil servants have many ways to not do something, and it's easier for them not to do it.

the second is congress and not only democrats and that's important but also republicans in congress. republicans in congress, a, they believe in ronald reagan's republican party, not donald trump or steve bannon's republican party. second, they've made this bargain with the guy, they think, we're going to tolerate him, just as long as he signs our legislation, and if we can get healthcare or tax reform that we like, all that chaos is worth it. but the chaos may turn out to be too high price to pay, and, so, now we get in a big fight with mexico, and some members of congress are very upset that we've needlessly started a trade war which is totally out of control, and some would love to go down to mexico and say, hey, he doesn't speak for us. they won't do it now because they're pausing to see what happens, but six or eight months, a year, they could decide, this is too much for our country, we have to go down, and we would go to mexico or the next 18 fights he picks.

>> woodruff: david makes a point. you talk about how much of what donald trump is saying is going to become reality, his own party is going to have a lot to say about how much becomes reality. >> they are. david is a very cheerful optimist of the subject of republican backbone. this man has taken over the republican party. he's transformed the republican party. donald trump is an independent presidential candidate who ran on the republican label. he really did. he took it over. he transformed it into his image, in his likeness. h he will toss a deferential nod once in a while, but it's trump's agenda. it isn't paul ryan's agenda or mitch mcconnell. they can stop them. as they've already stood up, mcconnell has on sanctions, to russia. thank god for jim mattis. i don't mean to sound like a broken record. secretary of defense, on torture, trump at least deferred

to him while expressing for the first time ever an american president's full-throated support of torture, endorsement of torture. at least dick cheney, the vice president, the euphemism of "enhanced interrogation" for torture which has been out loud laud, which is illegal, immoral, diplomatically disastrous and militarily counterproductive and hurtful. so i'm still waiting. thank god for john mccain, quite frankly. >> woodruff: david, what makes you think republicans are going to v as mark said, the backbone to stand up to him? >> a, because i hear rumblings of it, which i hope lead to backbone. second, if president is prologue, trump picked a fight with mexico, germany is not far behind, he'll pick a fight with them and with china, vietnam has been severely hurt by what he did this week on t.p.p., so a

series of big fights in the international arena. the president makes a lot of decision about use of armed force and for him to make decision on questionable information is going to happen. he's going to have to make those decisions and it will just feel like the whole american project, i believe, is weirdly under threat. it could be he does this in the realm of media and he lives up there and steve bannon runs policy down here, and that would have a berlusconi destabilizing effect on our culture and no practical effect, but i think he is a fundamentally unstablizing force and the people who swore to uphold the constitution will have to take measures at some point. >> woodruff: mark, in the minute left the polls support he still has the support of people who voted for him, 80% of the republicans say he's doing a great job. >> judy, this is the honeymoon. the troubles he's inflicted this

week were totally unforced errors upon himself. so this really is a time -- americans want the country and the president to do well. we just broke the 20,000 point barrier, and he stepped all over the story. i mean, if you were counseling the president and there when the dow jones breaks 20,000, gee, i had nothing to do with it but i love that the american people express confidence and optimism in our future -- instead, he's doing something with david muir complaining about the coverage and telling everyone to watch fox news. he's as high now with no problems. they haven't even had a crisis yet. >> if mr. rogers is having a weeks this should be his mr. rogers week, and it wasn't exactly mr. rogers. >> i like you. >> woodruff: and i like both of you. mark shields, david brooks, thank you both.

next week, an exclusive conversation. i sit down with vice president mike pence at the white house. that is tuesday, january 31, right here on the pbs newshour. >> mora: finally tonight, a look at the subtle ways our society often equates being white with what's "normal." it comes from peter kim, who was a member of chicago's famed second city comedy troupe. it is the latest edition of "#i.m.h.o.: in my humble opinion." >> when you hear the phrase "white supremacy," what picture comes to mind? maybe it's adolf hitler screaming into a microphone? maybe it's white-hooded figures marching around a burning cross? for me, it's a lot less dramatic and lot more commonplace, so if i may, i'd like to offer an

updated definition of white supremacy: it's the idea that white is the ideal, and we are all consciously and subconsciously working to achieve whiteness. for example: i'm an actor, and once i was telling a fellow actor, who happens to be white, that i keep getting called out for roles casting "all ethnicities," but are clearly written for a white man, like characters named "vincent daniels." and he says to me, "well, peter, you're almost white!" let that sink in for a second. if you haven't flinched yet, you should take a deep look inside yourself. me, an asian-american, being "almost white?" meaning what? that i'm not black? or latino? or any skin complexion that is much darker than white? in saying so, he's assuming that white people are the default race in this country. that i am almost "normal."

and this isn't an ignorant racist from a rural town. this is a liberal creative person living in chicago. you see, this happens to me all the time, even in places i never thought would exist. see, i'm a korean man who's also gay, and when i came out and downloaded the "dating app" grindr-- spoiler alert: nobody is "dating" on grindr-- i was overwhelmed by profiles saying "no fems, no fats, no asians," and i would say to myself, "well that can't be me, i'm not fat! i'm husky!" i've been lucky to travel and perform all around america. and when i get asked "where are you from," and i say new york, most of the time, well-meaning white people get upset and ask "you know what i mean! where are you from-from?" my boyfriend from indiana, whose family's roots are in poland, never has to explain where he's from-from.

so my definition of white supremacy is embedded in the fabric of our everyday lives. it's in our schools, in our movies, and on our televisions. look, we all need car insurance, but you likely never see someone like me sell that to you; it's clear that for the average american, it's more persuasive to be sold insurance by a cheeky foreign gecko than a fabulous gaysian american. >> woodruff: on the newshour online right now: does stigma stop some black americans from identifying with the republican party? we visit the historically black howard university, where a college g.o.p. group was recently re-instated with the help of party leadership. all that and more is on our website, www.pbs.org newshour. tonight on "washington week," a closer look at president trump's diplomatic debut, hosting the british prime minister and trying to mend fences with mexico over a border wall. that's later tonight, on "washington week."

>> mora: on pbs newshour saturday, will changes to nafta help or hurt american businesses? here's a look: >> i.b.c. bank finances real estate where manufacturing warehouses handle goods that travel across the border. >> texas cannot survive without mexico. it's our largest trading a partner. it would put texas in a recession immediately and frankly destroy laredo, texas. we would not exist without trade. >> congressman will hurd's district stretches from can san antonio for more than 800 miles along the u.s.-mexico border. hurd supported trump but is concerned about how the president may roll back nafta. >> uncertainty in the business world is not something that you want, but i think people are also, they recognize the opportunities that we have, and i think people are ready to start having negotiations on what does a future nafta look

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hello and welcome to "kqed newsroom." i'm thuy vu. coming up on our program, the head of california's republican party, jim braulty, on the risks for california as it becomes a resistant strong hold against president donald trump. plus part two with my interview with leeian panetta. he shares his thoughts on the uncertain road ahead for national security and foreign policy. and a report from the border about a group of volunteers who search the desert for lost migrants. but we begin with president trump's first week in office as we look at the first 100 days of his presidency. he's taken swift action on a number of issues, including dramatically changing the country's refugee program. he also signed several