>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, the president, the congress and the showdown over health care. president trump and the truth. and jessica chastain chars in the war "time" drama "the zookeeper's wife." >> have you been keeping secrets from me? >> no one knows how hard it is. you can never tell who your enemies are. >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide.

captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and, so, you began how? >> compassion. >> rose: is it luck or at all. a very rigorous process. >> rose: what's the object lesson. >> they're going to come bang and do it again. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: this was the week the f.b.i. confirmed it was investigating a possible collusion between russia and the trump campaign. a terror attack in london killed four and injured more than 40. and the the united states shut out puerto rico 8-0 to win the world baseball classic. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. chuck berry dies at 90. >> the world honoring the life of revolutionary rocker chuck berry. ♪ he played that guitar like a ringing bell, go go ♪ >> terrorism tried to silence our democracy. our resolve will never waiver in the face of terrorism. >> a missile test, north korea failed with the missile

exploding. >> rose: the director of the f.b.i. drops a bombshell. >> there was circumstantial evidence of collusion and direct evidence, i think, of deception. >> pass the bill today for obamacare is here to stay. >> i think at the end of the day this is the only train leaving the station. >> judge gorsuch looks like he's playing dodge ball with the senate judiciary commity. >> he wrote his name so bigly and boldly. >> you just said bigly. arrested for stabbing a 66-year-old black man with a sword. >> patriotic act. tom brady's stolen jersey recovered. >> something good happened to tom brady. >> in toronto two big men went toe to toe. ♪ eye of the tiger >> add mid it! we're going to be okay! ♪ every little thing is going to be all right ♪ >> everything is good, healthcare is looking good.

♪ we are the champions, we are the champions ♪ >> the players got a chance to play for our country, but you know what? this is for the people that serve our country. ♪ because we are the champions. ♪ of the world >> rose: we begin this evening with health care. would they have the votes or not? that was the question in washington all week wrong. president trump insisted house of representative vote at 3:30 this afternoon on the republican bill to repeal and replace obamacare, but at the last minute the president told speaker of the house prine to pull the bill. mike allen joins me from washington where he has been tracking the story. co-founder of news service axios and editor of the axios newsletter. let's begin with what some night say is an assessment, others an autopsy. what happened? >> charlie, we had epic

miscalculations at both ends of pennsylvania avenue from beginning to end. so president trump beginning. we're seeing in the "new york times" that he decided to go ahead with healthcare, to plunge ahead with healthcare rather than taking up the press' easier win of tax reform almost on a lark, a very quick conversation where he didn't really delve into the pluses and minuses. at the other end of the pennsylvania avenue, at the beginning, speaker ryan looking at this more from a matter of policy than politics, charlie, this came down to pure, raw politics. person to person. miscalculation at the end -- and that's the big takeaway from today, charlie, is that now everything else will be harder. the tax reform and eventually infrastructure and whatever they want to do on immigration, just among republicans there is a trust, there is not appetite,

there's not sea legs, there's not confidence that ryan can deliver, and it makes anything that they want to do more complicated and is going to cause them to have to pull in their -- the sights of their ambition. >> rose: does it mean remembers of congress, the republican party and certainly the freedom caucus are not afraid of the president? >> well, it's true and the fact it's been true for a while is part of this. the president wasn't directly engaged with these members and, at the same time, he was getting less popular. he's paying the check for some of the distractions you and i are covering over these weeks and months. not only are they not as afraid of him, they weren't as aligned with them. here's the twist in what happened. there is an argument that for the politics of 2018, for the politics of 2020, republicans

actually may be better off. >> rose: what is truth in politics specifically as i applies to president trump? is truth dead? that's the cover story of this week's "time magazine." david leonhardt joins us from washington. i just want to read as we begin this conversation because it's an important question about truth. david leonhardt ends his column by saying "our president is a liar and we need to find out how serious his latest lies are." nancy gibbs' writer began his piece about her, him, the president by saying "a president who pedals falsehood and dabbles

in conspiracy confronts the challenge of reality." how difficult is this for journalists? >> journalists have been debating for a long time about when you say someone is lying, the challenge is it's much easier for us to check facts. we always do that, and know this statement is true, this statement is not true, this statement is partially true. when you talk about whether someone is lying, there is an added layer of intent, what do they believe, are they mistaken or intentionally misat a timing a falsehood, what's where this president pose add particularly challenge to people covering him. a great many things he says are demonstrably false, but how many things would he says would qualify as lies, he knows what he's saying are false, and how many are actually things that are untrue but he believes are true? as you said in your letter before this piece, it is vital that we be able to believe our

president, it is also viet that we know what he believes and why. the president has made both a severe challenge. david leonhardt, when you wrote the column that you wrote and you raised a question about the president as a liar, tell me how you approached that and tell me what it is that you wanted your readers to understand. >> to be honest, i approached it uneasily. it's not something i wrote lightly. i agree with nancy, the word "lie" is not a synonym for the word "untruth. it conveys intent just as she said. so i don't believe that george w. bush was lying when he said there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq, and i don't believe barack obama was lying when he said if you like your health insurance plan you can keep it. i think they were both careless and i think they were both proven false. i think here what we have is a case where the current president speaks so many untruths just

again and again, about the murder rate, his own electoral margin, the crowds during inauguration day, j.f.k.'s assassination, 9/11, president obama's birth, president obama's wiretapping, and i could go on with 20 more. he speaks so many untruths that i think we have to conclude that he doesn't feel bounded by truth. so while it is hard, probably impossible, to know on any individual case whether he knows the truth and is lying or whether he believes something that is false and is stating it. i think we can comfortably say he isn't concerned with truth. he is happy to lie, and that's what i find so alarming about this situation. >> rose: it is not only "time magazine" and a columnist for the "new york times" that weighted into this, also the "wall street journal" said two months into his presidency gallup has mr. trump's approval ratings 30%. if he doesn't show more respect pore the truth, most americans

may conclude he is a fake president. push comes to shove here when there is a national crisis and the president needs for his allies, his citizens and his government to believe him. >> you know, if you look back to other critical moments in american history, think about the cuban missile crisis, when president kennedy has to go on television and state to the country that this tremendous threat was now facing the country and people thought that we might be looking at the possibility of a nuclear exchange. the stakes of presidential credibility in a case like that could not possibly be higher. similarly, you know, when he went to our allies and told them about what our intelligence was finding, it was critical our allies believed him and he had not in any way docketed or exaggerated the evidence.

>> rose: the long-awaited house intelligence committee's first public hearing on russian interference in the presidential election finally happened this week. monday f.b.i. director james comey confirmed there is an ongoing investigation into possible collusion between president trump's campaign and russian officials. director comey also testified there is no evidence so far to support the president's claims that former president obama had wiretapped him and trump tower. representative adam schiff of california is the house committee's ranking democrat. republican peter king of new york also serves on the committee. >> i think the american people got a good sense of why this is such an important matter and really se derves thorough investigation. the breadth of the russian attack on our democracy, the fact that the f.b.i. has an ongoing investigation to determine whether there was coordination between the trump campaign and the russians as well as the directors, both of their willingness to establish

that there is no evidence to support the president's claim that he was wiretapped by his predecessor. >> rose: why is this so serious? >> well, because the intelligence community said this is not a one off. the russians will do this again. we can expect them to interfere in our elections again. in order to inoculate ourselves and inform the american public when the russians meddle again it's exactl important to know ey what they did. europe is facing the same kind of russian meddling and we want to do everything we can to protect our european allies as well. >> rose: congressman king, what did you take away? >> somewhat the same takeaway as adam even though a different emphasis. i think it's absolutely essential we fully investigate the extent of russian involvement in the campaign, it's disgraceful as adam and director comey said, they will come back and do it again, whether donald trump, hillary clinton, no matter who the candidate is, they will try to

get involved in the election and we have to be more alert to it earlier on. i would say as far as the investigation conducted by director comby, we heard about this some time ago and were officially told a few weeks ago and i was told at a briefing a month ago also at a hearing we knew that the investigation is ongoing. i'm glad it's out there. gives us a little more freedom to talk and also -- usually once something is announced publicly, it's more inclined to move along at a faster pace. the investigate will go wherever it goes. whatever it is, i will accept it. as far as we know, no evidence of any collusion between them. >> rose: what do you mean about collusion with respect to the campaign. >> whether anyone from the trump campaign were involved with the russian intelligence or government to fix the election or cooperate in any way. so far i see no evidence but we'll see.

>> rose: congressman schiff, have you seen evidence of that? >> the way i would describe it, charlie, is there is circumstantial evidence of coordination. there is direct evidence, in my opinion, of deception on marvel of many of the people around theth and, of course, where people are being dishonest about conversations they have with the russian ambassador or whether they even met with the russian. it does provoke questions about why, if this is a policy you're proud of, a policy you're willing to let the country know about and stand behind, why be deceptive about it? so we have a long way to go in the investigation and we ought to let the fact dictate where they take us. >> rose: wednesday the chairman of that house intelligence committee delvin nunes said he'd seen reports members of president trump's transition had been monitored incidentally and shared what he found with the white house before opinion forming his own committee. we turn to michael morell,

former acting director and deputy director of the c.i.a. >> the president is under fire for claiming hat the obama administration surveilled him. >> rose: the f.b.i. director said he'd seen no evidence of that and every other national security official. >> right, so the president is hanging out there it mr. displie right. >> and i think chairman nunes was trying to help him out. he took it to the white house and media and i think he acted inappropriately. i think what he should have done and what practice says he should have done is, number one, he should have gone back to the relevant agency, whether it be the f.b.i. or whether it be the c.i.a. or n.s.a., to go back to the relevant agency and say, i was given these, how do i think about these? are there any more like these? help me understand these. that should have been step one with. step two should have been to take the answer and share it

with the entire committee before taking any action of briefing the president, let alone the media. >> rose: you said in the beginning this has nothing to do with whether president obama's administration bugged trump tower. >> this collection, based on the chairman's own words, was not targeted at any u.s. person. it was targeted at a foreign national, and there was u.s. person information incidentally collected. that's why that incidentally collected is so important. >> rose: the impact of this in terms of how people characterized it raised questions about the independence of the house intelligence committee and john mccain said, for example, that the committee of congress no longer has credibility and needs a select commity. >> i think the chairman has done himself damage. the chairman is supposed to be running an objective, non-partisan investigation into the trump campaign's ties to

russia, specifically whether or not they cooperated, conspired with the russian campaign to interfere p in our election. that's what he's supposed to be doing. when he does something like this that looks so political, he undermines the credibility of what he's doing, right, and that's why people like john mccain are reacting to this the way they are. so i think the best we can hope for would be a joint inquiry of congress where it's a congressional inquiry but it's joint with a select committee. >> rose: jessica chastain, a two-time academy award-nominee. her new film is "the zookeeper's wife." it tells a story of

antonina zabinska and her husband and they used the process at the zoo to save over 300 lives in the process. >> he used violence, aggression and fight and antonina uses her compassion as a weapon against hate. >> rose: and saves hundreds of lives. >> hundreds and hundreds. she sacrifices her safety, the safety of her children. not only does she save lives but she bolstered hope and created a space of love with music and art to bring happiness into those people's lives. >> rose: she loved animals. she loved every living creature. she lived alongside animals. they would go along in and out side her home and her children had animal brothers and sisters. the film explores what it means to be a cage. the warsaw ghetto is a cage. also what does it mean to possess and own another living

creature. anto nina knew that was not something that makes a society healthy in doing that. >> rose: it's almost like she can better to animals than humans. >> absolutely. she was born in st. petersburg and grew up in russia. her parents were killed one time coming home from dinner. they were asked to show her hands and when they didn't have calluses they were shot because that's how they determined the difference between intelligencia and a neighbor. from that moment on her life was dark and she fled violence. she found her sanctuary in warsaw as a young woman. she was a refugee and she created a space of love and she was able to heal herself with animals. and she knew that power. so when she was able to smuggle in jews and hide them there and create this safe place, the sanctuary for them, she knew as the animals had healed her, that

they would also be helpful in healing the people. >> rose: what are you looking for? when you read the diaries and are looking for insight into a character? >> anything the character says about themselves is so helpful. even more than the diaries, i was so lucky, i went to the warsaw zoo before we started shooting. the basement is still there where they hid everyone. i met with theresa, antonina's daughter and i got to talk to her about her mother. she said she never saw her mother wear a pair of pants. she was very feminine. i said, okay, if your mother was an animal, what would she be? she said a cat. her father had nicknamed her mother punia, which means little cat. all these things were so helpful in creating especially pore the character the femininity of antonina. she's very shy. oftentimes, in war when the men leave and the women are left to get jobs or to be the heads of

the household, she in a way comes into herself and, at the end of the film, attend of the story, they come together as equals and the love is even stronger. >> rose: the south by southwest festival ended this week. that celebration of music, technology and the arts traction forms austin, texas, every year. and fueling much to have the creativity is a certain mexican mineral water. m.m. pack is a good writer, historian and texan. she and a few other locals help us introduce what some call austin's most cherished beverage. >> when you open a bottle of telfochico, you can hear it. ♪ >> it's a great sparkling water

out of mexico. >> it's austin, texas. our most popular drink. we literally sell ten times more of this drink than the next popular drink. >> it's the celebration drink. the name means little mole because it comes from a spring underneath a volcano known as the hill of the little mole. >> i think it's definitely water of austin, texas. >> i meet people all the time who have not heard of it and are pretty interested after they taste it. certainly in texas, it's available everywhere. >> it keeps us going every single day. we ask our customers if they're interested in beverage and if they want one of the waters. we get a curious look and we say it's a mineral water that's really popular in town and they

have to try it and always returns somebody into a fan. ♪ tiny bubbles sphoot. >> you will never see a tv ad or a radio spot, but it's word of mouth, word of taste. >> the only place i've had it is texas. you have it in texas, bring it back to your friends, your friends want it. >> it's the only thing in my refrigerator. when i came to austin i went straight to the store and bought the yellow box of the water. >> it's amazing water can create so many different avenues of bringing so many people together. >> i would suggest if you have not add one, it's time you try it. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> rose: now, here's a look at your weekend. the ncaa basketball tournament runs all weekend.

>> can you top that?! oh, wow! >> rose: the national cherry blossom festival opens in washington, d.c. and in theaters, rebecca ferguson, ryan reynolds and jake jinl hall star in the science thriller night. >> what is the product of any life form? >> rose: and here's what's new for the week ahead. sunday's the opening day of the formula one racing season, and the australian grand prix. monday is the day of the penn literary awards ceremony in new york. tuesday open of the ten pen south songwriters festival in tennessee. wednesday, aides to governor chris christie sentenced in the bridge gate scandal. thursday world bipolar day and

birthday of vincent van gogh. friday the trial of actress shaline woodley begins in north dakota, arrested for protest and riot during the protest of the dakota access pipeline. saturday, start of final four play in college basketball's march madness. >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. before we leave we wanted to note the death of jimmy breslin, he was 88. for five decades ehe chronicled the streets of new york yet never bothered to get a driver's license. his writing was gritty and declarative. his subjects vair yesterday. he wrote about every one and everything. from the man who dug president kennedy's grave to the man who now sits in the white house. here is jimmy breslin at the table. >> i did good with the memory. i always heard i have a billion-dollar memory because i can remember things mostly

because you were told about them in is saloons. i don't know where people get these stories because you can't get it out of a computer. the files that come to you, the printouts, they have no smell, no feel, they don't tell you anything, they give you a lot of facts and figures. that's no good. the tell me what the weather is, tell me what the guy was wearing, tell me this. >> rose: for more about this program and earlier episodes, visit us online at pbs.org and charlierose.com. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

explore new worlds and new idideas through programs like this made available for everyone through contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. st. francis, was laid to rest in this beautiful church on a hillside in assisi. he was a humble friar, short in stature, a lover of animals, and also a singer and composer, who founded an order that carries his name. tonight, one of his followers, a franciscan friar with a love of music and known to a growing worldwide audience, presents a concert of sacred music, offering peace and hope in a turbulent world. please welcome friar alessandro, the voice from assisi. ♪