>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm dharly rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead the first 100 days of donald trump's perez daebs. the report cards on the president's foreign policy, and the film "the circle." it is about high-tech in the near future. >> knowing is good, but knowing everything is better. is there anything you want to tell us? >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider

of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> is it luck at all or something else? >> it comes from his dad. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> sort of a collection of ideas. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: this was the week the trump administration announced plans for a massive tax reform. congress scrambled to avoid another government showdown, and it was announced james earl jones jr. will receive a special tony award this year for lifetime achievement. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. >> jonathan demme, the oscar-winning director of "silence of the lambs" and "philadelphia," has died at age 73. >> through books and occasionally through films, i have had light bulb go on in my head. >> pockets of violence in france following a vote in the country's presidential election. >> the president won't sign a bill if it doesn't include funding for the wall jowe need

that wall. >> pope francis delivered a message of humility during a surprised ted talk. >> would you say after what you reviewed today that general flynn is in a heap of trouble? >> yes. >> the president wants to tack a 20% tariff on canadian lumber. >> the sprt going to seize this opportunity by leading the most significant tax reform legislation since 1986. >> the cofounder of google unvague his prototype for a flying car. >> president trump has summoned all 100 members of the united states senate to the white house today for a briefing on north korea. ♪ ♪ we're not gonna take it ♪ >> north korea threatened to sink a u.s. aircraft carrier. >> they show what an irrational, international player they really are. >> people see me on tv and are like, man, are you on cbs? you look good." "time" magazine honored the top 100 people.

>> what's been going on while i'm gone. ♪ oh, baby give me one more chance ♪ >> president obama made his first public appearance as a former president. >> everything i done when i was in high school, i probably wouldn't have been president of the united states. ♪ but now since i see you >> rose: president trump marks his 100th day in office on saturday. he has issued dozens of executive orders, launched a successful missile strike on syria, had his choice for supreme court justice confirmed, and sworn in. he has not had a major legislative victory. no one doubts that he has been very busy. the question is what makes donald trump tick? few reporters know him better than maggie haberman of the "new york times," and cnn. >> i think two things are true. i think-- i have known him for a long time, covered him at politico, covered him at the "new york post." longevity matters with him and the familiar matters with him.

but i also don't, anyone should make any mistake that if i department have the prepositional phrase of the "new york times" attached to my name, i'm not sure that i would be speaking to him as frequently. he's fascinated by "the new york times," and it's a marvelous paper. soy understand about. >> rose: what is that about? he has said in front of audiences, "the love the 'new york time'" and then "the tailing "new york times." >> he came to our offices on the 40th street a week or two after he was elected, and we were the first major interview he did. he came to us and we didn't go to him. that was a subject of some debate because that meeting was scrapped and put back on. as is usual with trump there was negotiation. he grew up in new york and the outer boroughs.

he still has never felt he has gotten the respect he believes he deserves, and he has always seen himself as this kid from queens clawing his way up the ladder, and so for him, the "times" looms very large. >> rose: in addition to, that because somebody is always questioning whether he's worth or he's worth that? >> and how he made it and "did he come to this on his own? how much of this was given to him by his father, fred trump, versus how much he managed to create as a business unto himself and as a brand unto himself." and this question of legitimacy just exists throughout his career. >> rose: when does the when, when, when thing come from? >> it comes from his dad. he has two mentors and i sort of see them sitting on either shoulder. one is fred trump, his father, who taught him essentially, "never give up. always win." and then roy cohn, the math-era fixer -- >> joe mccarthy's lawyer. >> exactly. who taught him essentially,

"always be on office and all press is good press." to be clear, i don't actually believe donald trump believes all press is good press ago i have heard him say it a lot. but i think he believes press is important. >> rose: winning is what matters to him. >> selling something is a win whether you win or not. it's very difficult as a president to be clear, you're not going to have an agreement on a shared set of facts with this president sometimes. and we saw this a lot during the campaign. he will present numbers that are just not true about either crowd size or about the effects of his policies or about, you know, when something took place. and when you challenge him on it, he will say, "well, that's what i read somewhere," or "someone sent me that. sm it's never sort of his own domain and he doesn't own it-- he doesn't take proprietary feel for it. a win is in his mind what he

decides it is. and that is his challenge right now, how coi tell people, how do i tell the public that a 100-day presidency, first period of my presidency, where his poll numbers, personal approval rating have been around 40%, pretty much, give or take a few poants, where he has historic unpopularity and unfavorability, where he has been stymied by a congress where his party is-- has the majority. how do i sell -- >> in both houses. >> in both houses. "how i do sell that as victory?" >> rose: he first says and you pointed this out, he sells it as this is an articleificial landmark, an artificial standard. and the next thing he does is everything he can to make himself look good by the judgment of that standard. >> he's smart enough to know-- and look, he is a smart man. i mean, this is-- this is something that i think he gets dinged for. i don't think a series of interviews that he gave this past week necessarily served him well. we gave a bunch of 100-day

interviews where he said some things that candidly made my jaw drop that i'll get to later. but i think he is aware that it is an important marker that gets used, and he's also very numbers affixed. he's very sort of visual learn is the term you hear used about kids. i don't know that he's a visual learner, but he does really like numbers and graphics and charts. >> rose: i'll have more of the maggie haberman interview on the nightly edition of charlie rose. all week long this week, we've been gathering reaction and analysis of president trump's first 100 days in office and asking the question, "how is he faring both at home and abroad?" here are some of those conversations from people with interesting opinions. >> i think you have to use the old richard nixon yellow pad, the good and the bad, charlie. it's been the best of time, the worst of time. neal gorsuch is a 30-year win, maybe a 40-year win. they had a huge free exercise case next week before the court. there will be many more 5-4

decisions in which justice gorsuch is on the side of the oriblginallists. i think it's impossible to overstate how big that win is. it's the first time a supreme court justice wasonfirmed in the first 100 days. on the other hand, the loss of the obamacare repeal is devastating to the idea that the republicans could accomplish something if they had all three branches of government. they haven't, and that's a major drawback. there are also 20 circuit court judges that are vacant, for which only one nominee has been put forward. that's a down side. on the up side, there are 13 congressional statutes-- not executive orders -- statutes which have long-lasting deep implications for the roll back of the federal administrative state. it's a 50-50, good time/bad time situation from my perspective. >> hugh, i think, is grading on a little bit of a curve here. i'll give him props for that. this is a president right now

who according to a pair polls that came out, the abc/"washington post" poll and another poll by nbc a couple of days ago was in the 40%-42% approval rating. that is the lowest by far of any president in the modern era. it means he has far less political capital with which to act. he was handed a humiliating defeat on the health care stuff. more than that, i think there was a fundamental misapprehension by the president and his team on how the presidency worked. i think what we're seeing is him learning on the job and over the past couple of weeks, if you are a republican and surt of the president, there have been a hand full of encouraging signs that he's sort of learning the presidency, finally, after three months. >> rose: one of the things that was said about president obama is that there was great reservation about his will after the red line stuff, especially among the arab countries-- saudi

arabia, the arab emirates, the others. where does donald trump stand on that? >> i think he's leading the world into a different era. president sisi coming to the white house, or king abdullah, benjamin netanyahu, the sunni aligned with president trump to oppose the syria, iran, hezbollah access is real and significant. i think we can put to bed talk that vat mere putin and donald trump are going to be best buddies. that is clearly not happening. and i think theresa may going to the electorate on june 8 is going to again strengthen the idea that the world longs from leadership from the west. not le pen. she is off of the chart. she is not trumpest. i don't think that's part of the global realignment going on, i think she is an outlier. but donald trump has had a lot to do with it, as had jim mattis, as had nikki haley at the u.n., and i'm very satisfied with the way he's begun his

foreign policy, much more than i am with his domestic agenda in the house. >> i think the biggest achievement na sense, is he has learned what he didn't know, that he has learned the world is more complicated than the policies he campaigned on. that's true partly domestically, but it's much more true when it comes to the international stage. the fact that he says he sat down with president xi and the north korea situation is much more complicated than he realized and he was prepared to admit there was a learning curve. and that haas influenced hutch of what he has done and said on the foreign policy stage. he came in with a very clear, nationalist, populist "america first" ideal. and he has shifted on that. he shifted to one of more engagement, more realization that he has to engage with america's allies to get results for america. and i would-- so rather than one specific thing that he's done, i would say that's the most important thing is the learning curve he has gone through and he

has realized he's gone through. >> so the most specific things he's done-- no disagreement with that from a structural perspective-- but he got rid of the trans-pacific partnership right at the beginning. massive potential trade deal. campaigned, said he was going to get rid of it, got rid of it. bombed syria. >> rose: he didn't have to get rid of it because it had never been achieved. >> no, but again, america's allies in north america, south america, and across asia, 40% of the world's g.d.p. was committed to it and comes in and says it's dead and kills it. different from saying china was a currency manipulator. the deal with syria on chemical weapons, abrogated-- 2013, the syrian government uses chemical weapons, he engages in strikes. and his most important meeting of his presidency so far with xi

jinping was treated with a level of respect, with dignity, and they bought themselves some time. furthermore by pressure the chinese on north korea, both directly and indirectly, they have gotten the chinese already prepared to respond with greater pressure against the north koreans. there are a lot of place where's trump has made big mistakes in foreign policies in the way he's handled some meetings and phone calls and not going what was going on -- >> this was the early trump or even extending into the last week or two as he reaches the 100 days? in other words, after he had gone through the changes, is he still making serious mistakes in terms of phone calls? >> i think he's still embarrassing himself occasionally, and he's still, obviously, making statements that don't comport with reality. but, but-- >> obviously. >> obviously. but if you-- look, when he came in place-- and you've spoken with us in the run-up to the presidency-- the expectation was domestic policy going to be really hard to move the needle much, but foreign policy, could

be really volatile. and actually, there has been learning as you suggested. there haven't been any crises thus far, but the substantive issues he's handled he's actually handled in a way, whether you like or not, you can say has been competent. and, also, you have some staff-- flynn's gone. k.t. mcfarland is gone. bannon is off the committee at the national security council. all those moves make people a little more comfortable. >> rose: clearly he listened to mattis and tillerson. >> clearly he also listens to bannon. the other thing i would recognize new england to t.p.p., we do now have trade moves against canada. >> rose: question about china. do we know exactly what was achieved in that conversation in palm beach, other than two world leaders of two most powerful and important nations in the world getting to know each other, which is a crucial thing to do,

i think. go ahead. >> one of the things-- two things that i've heard from that meeting. one is the chinese came and made offers in terms of investment in the united states that the white house turned down. that they said, "no the problem between us is too big. year not going to take a few billion dollars as a way of solving this and making us look, you know, indebtedded to you." the other thing is the pressure on north korea. the white house went in and clearly said you have to put more pressure on north korea. and if you don't, we will take retaliatory action against the chinese entities. whether they can do that under w.t.o. rules is probably more questionable, but they seem to have got something from the chinese in terms of actions against north korea, which is the biggest foreign policy challenge that the president faces. >> he won the election. big surprise, we have the house, we have the senate. but butt now we're finding out we're not sure he's ideologically reliable so there's fear growing in the

caucus. there's a lot of worry he will trianglealate himself in left field or right field or who knows what? and when you have a president who is kind of a chaos machine, it can be a negotiating advantage for the president, but also scares your allies a lot because they don't know what to count on. so if he starts having wins, he'll hold friends. if he trianglealates against the "r"s and the "d"s because he can't get anything done, then he's not going to have very many friends. if we lose the special election coming up in georgia, the runoff in a republican district where it's really a coin toss then the real power will take over in the congress-- the fear of my own re-election. the golden rule-- to thine own political career be true. and the calculus will change which is this guy was supposed to be the big winner who got elected is now an anchor around our necks and what are we going to do about that? >> rose: nothing succeeds like winning, i assume. in politics, that's the golden wriewl. >> that's why, if you look at

these 100 days, i think there are a lot of things trump folks ought to be worried about. matthew and i alluded earlier, he has bad numbers. the president has a toolbox, if you're popular you can pressure congress. he doesn't have that. he's backed into one part of the republican party that loves him, but even that is not enough in a majority-- you can see it in health care now between the freedom caucus on the right and the mod raits in the center trying to find a middle ground to change obamacare which is a very tough public policy problem. he's running out of tools, and that's a problem. >> rose: mat, as you know, everybody who supports him says, "you said that all along. he won the republican primaries, he got the nomination and defeated hillary clinton." >> well, that's totally true, but neez an entirely different scenario, charlie, and i said this since he took office. he suck teded pubbing up against somebody or something more unpopular, less acceptable than him. right now highs pushing up

against himself. he stands on his own as president of the united states. he's flailed around trying to find an enemy to push up against-- the press, democrats -- whatever it is. but he is president of the united states without an election campaign for another three years, and so he succeeded. yes, he succeeded in the primaries against a group of weak candidates that didn't ever take him seriously. he pushed against them. he succeeded against hillary clinton, a person almost as unpopular as he was. can he succeed as a leader standing on his own and now he's on a world stage that he can't sort of compete against and get a rebound off somebody else and has to do it on his own and that's where he's found difficulty. >> rose: is he the element of change? >> i absolutely think he's the element of change. i think we're going to look back at donald trump-- he's a great accelerator of disruption in the country, and in the world. which in one regard is a very good thing. we need change. we need to adapt and reform our institutions. we need many different things that have been coming for a long time. he is a great part of that

change which i think he can serve in that purpose. bit butt right now the interesting thing for him and the republicans is what he has unified is opposition to him. the only thing he's fundamentally unified in the country right now is reresistance to him at many different levels -- conservatives, progressives, moderates, independents. he is an element of change. he has to the yet become the transformative leader he could become. he's very disruptive. he's not transformative. >> rose: mike what, does he have to do to become transformative? >> i think he has to understand the difference between a campaign, which is a promise auction, and the reality of governing, where you have to use these tools of amplification like the white house. i mean, we have an essentially dysfunctional staff in the white house. the administration is well under-staffed. the only exemption to that i would say is some of the national security team are quite excellent. but a president needs to know how to play the big piano, to use all the assets of office and instead he's kind of hunkered down in the bunker.

if you look at the legislative agenda, it's all been tactical. there has been no strategy. how he gets wins in the reality of politics, he's going to have to up his game tremendously or he'll be sitting in the white house angrily tweeting all day long, and that's a dead end for any president. >> rose: james ponsult, is the writer and director of "the circle," starring emma watson. she soon discovers the dark sides of the corporation, and the seemingly benevolent cofounder. he is played by tom hanks. >> it's an adaptation of dave egar's novel. it's the journey of a young woman stuck in a dead-end job, a millennial sort of adrift who gets her dream job working at a hypothetical tech company in the very near future that would have consumed all of its competitors. and it's a story about-- it's sort of transforming her if a

dream job to something of a religion to a glass prison of celebrity when she becomes essential let's public face of the company. >> rose: so she goes from step to step to step, from great love to-- or enthusiasm to something less tan that. >> yeah. in many ways she's sort of a surrogate for us, for the audience, and our own relationship to technology, although she's sort of under a magnifying exwhrass because she's working at a tech company. >> rose: what was dave egars trying to tell us? >> dave,ic was writing a satire. it's a very darkly funny book but i think he was asking a lot of questions about the world we've created, you know, that sort of-- that recognizes all of the wonderful things that technology -- >> this notion that we can do everything, solve every problem. >> sure, and who doesn't like the idea of sending us to the moon, exploring the bottom of the ocean, curing cancer, we like all these things, but why do these exact same companies also have to monitor us, gather

our data, and in some cases monetize it. why is that part of the transaction? >> rose: why do they have to be in their judgment all-knowing. >> it lets them market to us, make us better consumers. that's one thing. >> rose: when you tried to make this adaptation for film, such a novel that was so big and such a success, what are the challenges and what are the resks? >> i think the challenge, a novel air, great novel like "the circle" is a big, unwieldy, ambitious collection of ideas, challenging ideas of characters and plotsdz. i think to literally adapt this book into a film would have made a 10-hour-- would have made a 10-hour miniseries. so i think for me it was really focusing on the central journey of the protagonist, of her wants, needs, hopes, dreams, fears, and focusing in on those things in a way that focused more on the character than on the company. >> now here's a look at your

weekend. the new orleans jazz festival and heritage festival opens at the fairgrounds race course in new orleans. ♪ get on down the stagecoach country music festival runs all weekend in indio, california. ♪ with the words that i say ♪ honey, give me one good reason to stay ♪ >> and the band girillaz, releases its first album in seven years "humans." ♪ humans inside me all my life." and here's what's new for the week ahead: sunday is the daytime emmy awards presentation in pass dena, california. monday is the annual costume institute gala at new york's metropolitan museum of art. tuesday is the next round of house intelligence committee

hearings on russia and the u.s. election. wednesday is world press freedom day. thursday is the first day of golf's wells fargo championship in wilmington, north carolina. friday is the day cinco de mayo is celebrate celebrated in mexi. saturday is the 143rd running of the kentucky derby in louisville, kentucky. >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. before we leave you, we want to note the death wednesday of the prolific oscar-winning director jonathan demme. he was 73. his breakthrough film was "silence of the lambs." it won both best picture and best director in 1991. he directed more than 40 films in all, ranging from features to biographies to music documentaries. over the years, he was a frequent guest on this program. here is jonathan demme at the

table. >> sometimes people ask me, "what's the common link in your movies" or what have you? the only common link in the movies for me is i have loved the source material and i loved the source material because it's been, in my view, beautifully written. and, you know, when you make a movie, you have to live with these things for two years if you're the director. it's a long process, and it's got to continue to feed you and got to continue to interest you in order to be able to really kind of deliver something worthy of all that effort. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: captioning sponsored by rose communications

steves: the dramatic rock of cashel is one of ireland's most evocative sites. this was the seat of ancient irish kings for seven centuries. st. patrick baptized king aengus here in about 450 a.d. in around 1100, an irish king gave cashel

to the church, and it grew to become the ecclesiastical capital of all ireland. 800 years ago, this monastic community was just a chapel and a round tower standing high on this bluff. it looked out then, as it does today, over the plain of tipperary, called the golden vale because its rich soil makes it ireland's best farmland. on this historic rock, you stroll among these ruins in the footsteps of st. patrick, and wandering through my favorite celtic cross graveyard, i feel the soul of ireland.

by a passion for better understanding our world. thoughtful travel can engage our minds, challenge our assumptions, broaden our perspectives, and completely surprise us, just like public television. and by... -bread for the world, an advocacy organization working to end hunger and poverty at home and abroad. -hi. i'm rick steves, back with more of the best of europe. this time, we're celebrating the traditions in umbria and tuscany. it's the heart of italy. thanks for joining us.