>> glor: welcome to the program. the program is "charlie rose: the week." charlie's away. i'm jeff glor. just ahead, what's next for health care? looking ahead to the french election and a new play that celebrates the historic peace accords, "oslo." >> discussions between people, held somewhere isolated totally where you and the p.l.o. can meet alone and talk. now, this model i can oversee. this place, i can arrange. >> glor: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by

rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? >> buried myself in the work. >> rose: is it luck at all or is it something else? >> strength of character. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> there would be consequences. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. gl. >> glor: this was the week of house of representatives voted to repeal and replace obamacare. congressional hearings are you swriewmed on russian interference in the 2016 election. and the musical natasha, and the great comet of 1812 led the tony nominations this year with 12. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. >> welcome to the beginning of the end of obamacare. >> if your baby is going to die, and it doesn't have to, it shouldn't matter how much money you make. >> you said in an interview with reuters that you thought it would be easier. why? >> it's a tough job, but i've had a lot of tof jobs.

>> suburban dallas, texas, police officer fired after he shot and killed a black 15-year-old boy saturday night. >> i think the president is frustrated that he negotiated in good faith with the democrats and they went out to spiect football and make him look bad. >> the upton amendment is like administering could you have syrup to someone who has stage four cancer. >> national's security aadviser is refusing to testify. >> james comey defended his decision to tell congress of the investigation into hillary clinton's in emails. >> one night after he was verbally attacked with racial slurs, adam jones got a standing ovation with his first at-bat at fenway. >> there has been promise after promise that is unfulfilled or broken. >> they don't have the presidency. they don't have the house. they don't have the senate. and schumer is going around making a fool of himself. >> hillary clinton says there is plenty of blame to go around concerning her stunning defeat. >> the reason why i believe we

lost were the intervening events in the last 10 days. >> and i was on the way to winning that race until usain bolt ran faster than me. >> sean spicer didn't answer any questions today. >> sean! sean! >> where did sean go? >> sean! sean! sean! ♪ leave me alone just stop dog me around ♪ >> glor: with every democrat voting no, house republicans cheered as they voted thursday to repeal and replace the affordable care act act, obamacare, by a four-vote margin. the bill now faces an uncertain future in the senate. joining me now is nick confessore of the "new york times" to talk about this. nick, welcome. >> good to be here. >> glor: let's talk about the timeline a little bit. the president said he is so confident the senate will paz something. the senate said it will deal with what it deals with and

almost descrarkd to a certain extent, what happened yesterday. what sort of juice do we believe the white house has right now to get the senate moving quickly. >> the juice is the same in all cases. there is a political imperative to get this done in the senate, to try to get some version of it done, to pass it, to put the stamp and say we did this, we repealed obamacare and replaced it with something better. but there is also the reality of legislative calendar and timetable. members going home for session will be a disruption. that's why you saw senator mcconnell today appoint members to work on their proposal, their counter-proposal, because, of course, this house bill is not going to get very far as is in the senate. >> glor: there's going to be a wide, wide gap between what house republicans passed yesterday, and what the senate brings back. >> correct. look, the house republican bill was essentially designed for the conservatives in the caucus with enough extra things in it to get a few of the moderates on board to support it. so there was more money for

these high-risk pools for some states. you know, a few billion dollars, not the $100 million or more some analysts think is required. it is basically a bill for the conservatives in the house. the senate is going toment a different kind of bill that protects the moderate members and there are at least one or two republicans in senate that are not going to go near anything like this in the house bill. >> glor: if 58-42 is the split, you're not dealing with a real big margin of error. >> no, it's a small margin of error. we know rand paul, who is coming from the right, is against it on procedural grounds. he doesn't like how the bill was put together. but the harder question is on substantive grounds on questions of coverage and access to care. do want moderate members in the senate on the republican side seek or-- seek bigger changes that then can't get reconciled back with the house version again? >> glor: the c.b.o. numbers going to play into this.

what's the timing in terms of when we think we might get those, and what the senate then does with nose? >> this is really interesting. the c.b.o. is on some timetable and will move as fast as they can. the house certainly voted for this bill not uponning what it costs or what its full impact is going to be. a lot of house members haven't read it. by the time the senate gets to work on this it is likely we will have a c.b.o. score on the house version but, of course, the senate version will be totally different and that will have to be scored. >> glor: and the number before, on the previous version of the bill that never was brought to a vote was 24 million people losing coverage. and how is that affected under this bill, then? >> this is what's so crazy. we don't know the answer to that question, and they still passed the bill. there are a lot of reasons to think the number could be higher. we're not totally sure. it could be higher than the previous version. it's a big question mark, which is what makes it so much more

politically risky to have passed this in the first place. >> glor: turning to foreign news, voters in france go to the polls sunday in the final round of presidential elections. the choice is between far-right politician marine le pen, and a centrist candidate, emmanuel macron. fair look ahead to the votes i'm join from paris by sophie pedder, the bureau chief for "the economist." and here in new york it's vos, the correspondent for r.t.l. welcome to both of you. sophie, let me start with you. in paris, what is the mood of the city on the eve before the vote? >> i was with machron last night for his very last rally. he held it outdoors in the beautiful thing. and i have to say they are pretty confident now. if you look at the polling numbers in the last-- today, which slaft day that polls are

allowed to be published before france goes into kind of a blackout period ahead of voting on sunday, they give macron a 20-point lead. and i think the team is quietly confident. obviously, people feel a little bit nervous saying that publicly, but i think there's a confidence that they are now heading for a victory for macron. >> glor: we talk about the city, and she said she was in southwest france. the dividing line here between candidates and voters and support has been significant-- rural versus urban. >> it's a little bit like big cities, macron. rural, le pen. people with fear, it's all about anger. the anger people out there, so to speak, le pen. the people in cities feel more comfortable with him and will vote for him. >> glor: le pen needs a very low turnout to have any chance is the suspicion. >> yes, that's the suspicion. and i think that's right. sp fshe has a low turnout, she will have a better chance.

but she is swimming against the pool, so to speak. and she wasn't helped in the past two weeks with a few mistakes. i thought she was overly harsh in the debate last wednesday, the only debate in the intervening period between the two of them. there was the change of the guard at the head of her party. and, of course, somebody came forward frd to take over the baton of hers at the head of the party, and, of course, he was linked to anti-semitic comments and denying the holocaust in the past. and that hasn't helped, even though her message of, you know, "i'm there for the people who feel fear of europe, of the other, of the banks, of the system, of the man-- so to speak-- who is holding you down" resonates way certain part of france. >> glor: sophie, to you, how much recognition do you believe there is in france of what happened both here and i should say in the u.k. with brexit, although i think that was predicted to be closer. in the u.s. presidential election, as you know, hillary

clinton was expected to win convincingly. she wasn't expected to win by quite as much i think as macron is, but there was a surprise here. are people saying there, there might be a surprise? >> of course. people are veraware of what happened last year, both if the brexit vote and the u.s. elections. and, therefore, they have been watching the polls way lot of caution, and superstition almost about the results, and that includes right down to the macron team themselves. it's the nature of the gap. if we had polls that were much narrower, i would think people would feel they couldn't possibly call the results ahead of time. but, you know, if you look at second-round voting since 1981 in france, polls have only been off by about two points per average, less than two points. and we're now looking at a 20-point gap. some polls have suggest it's

even bigger, over 20%. it would take an upset of kind of historic proportions, way beyond what's happened in the u.s. election and certainly way beyond what happened in the brexit vote for marine le pen to win. >> glor: it has been a complicated week for f.b.i. director james comey. first, hillary clinton publicly blamed her loz to donald trump largely on comey's decision to inform congress of the discovery of additional emails shortly before the election. and on thursday, the director of the federal bureau of investigation was back on capitol hill, this time in front of the senate subcommittee, where he defended the f.b.i.'s investigations of clinton, the trump campaign, and russian interference in the election. charlie talked to karen dim urgian of the "washington post." >> what comey said was if he could do it again, he would do it the same way as he had, that he had no choice but to tell

anything congressand if he department do that, he would have been concealing something from them and that would have been disastrous for him and the f.b.i.'s reputation. >> rose: was he defensive? >> he was most defensive we have ever seen. someone once told me, whenever you're explaining you're losing. and he was doing a lot of explaining today. >> rose: what would youald to the idea that he thought to have conceal could hav would have ben catastrophic for the f.b.i.? >> well are not everybody on the panel bought it. he phrased it basically he had two choices, and cob sealing would have been the worst option, or saying something would have been the less bad option. and most of the democrats on the panel really did think there was a door number three, take some time, and look at those emails, and don't talk about this if there's nothing there so shortly before an election. >> rose: dianne feinstein suggested secretary clinton was treated very differently than donald trump. mike, did that have a resonance there? >> yeah, the issue on trump is

that basically in july, right after the f.b.i. closes the email investigation, comey opens up another investigation into the trump associates and their links to the russians. so want question from democrats is that why did comey not disclose that investigation before want election? he ultimately did disclose it in march, but they said well, voters went to the booth thinking that hillary clinton was under investigation, when donald trump's information were actually under investigation. >> rose: what did we discover about leaks that people believe may have come from the f.b.i.? >> well, there was some discussion about that. he was asked specifically about statements giuliani made during the campaign, that he had some advance notice from former members of the f.b.i., at least, that there was going to be this-- about the clinton investigation. and he was grilled about that, specifically by patrick leahy, and he said he didn't know specifically but they were looking into it, and if they found any leaks that were made from the f.b.i., either to journalists, or individuals like

giuliani, that there would be consequences for that. so he didn't specify specifically-- he didn't substantiate any allegations to a specific person we heard about. but he did pretty much corroborate that they are looking into those leaks that, you know, were bragged about to a certain extent by trump rose: timely the issueni. raised by lindsey graeme. what can we expect from russia in future elections? and what can we expect from russia in other countries where there are elections coming up? >> what comey said is that russia-- he actually-- he wouldn't disclose anything about the russia investigation, but what he did say was russia was still trying to influence american politics. he didn't explain what he meant by that, and it was sort of curious. does that mean that russia, you know, is trying to influence the trump administration in some way? are they trying to influence the media? is there still a hacking campaign that's going on? we know the hacking campaign that the d.n.c. was caught up in

had been going on for two years. but comb desai russia was one of the biggest-- was the biggest threat to the united states because they had the willingness and the capability to try and come back, and that-- what he said in response to graeme was that if the united states didn't do anything that the russians would be back by the next election. >> glor: david mcculla is out with a new book "the american spirit: who we are and what we stand for." it's a collection of presidential historian speeches and has strong opinions about the current occupant of the white house. >> rose: before we talk about this book, you have been outspoken about president trump. >> i have along with a great many other historians and that was last summer. >> rose: i think you and ken burns formed a group. >> yes, we did.

and they-- we were all saying pretty much the same thing, and it was concern for the country. i think that what disturbed all of us who did that, made that effort, the historians and biographers, is that a sense of history, an understanding of history is essential in leadership, leadership of all kinds. and that our most effective, most conscientious presidents-- not always the most talented or eloquent-- have been students of history. >> rose: including those who had not been university presidents -- >> harry truman. >> rose: harry truman being the one you know well. >> yes, who never went to

college but who never stopped reading history. he said some wonderful things about it. he said, "the only new thing in the world is the history you esn't know much of anything in the way of history, and who has said so. >> rose: he says, ," i don't read biographies." >> he dismisses biographies, dismisses books, dismissing reading, dismisses history. on the mantelpiece of the state dining room in the white house, there is a quotation that was first carved into the mantel piece by franklin roosevelt from a letter john adams wrote to his wife, abigail, the first night he spent the night in the white house. he was the first president to spend the night there. and then when kennedy was president, he had it cawrved into the marble part of the mantelpiece, rather than the wood, which had been prior to that. what adams wrote to abigail was, "may none but honest and wise men ever rule under this roof."

>> glor: james fader is an actor known for his disark darkand destructive characters. he stars as the concierge of crime on "the black list." the series is now in its fourth season. >> nowadays, to a great degree-- and it's probably the reason for the explosion on television in terms of programming-- is that writers and directors and actors have migrated, to a great degree, to television to be able to pay for the plays and the films that they might like to do. >> rose: in other words, you have your own standards. >> i just-- i bury myself in the work. when i-- it's why, when i did films-- that's all i did-- i didn't do many of them. i didn't-- i did as few of them as i possibly could because i really-- i just buried myself in it when i was doing it, and

then-- so when i stopped i was relieved and glad to have stopped. i do the same on a television show. and it's-- but a television show is a very different animal than a film. a television show swallows you whole and choose you up and refuses to spit you out. so you're in it for quite some time. >> rose: if you look at the offers that you get to do different things what, percentage of them, in a sense, are the kind of character you did in "boston legal" and you do today, the notion of the unsavory but somehow compelling character? >> i think it's also a matter of searching things out or things that, you know, i don't think i would be comfortable at all in just a straight dramatic role or a straight comedic role or just-- i like a dichotomy in a character. i like irreverence. i look for dichotomy in

characters. and i look for conflict. and i think i probably looked for that quality in this show that i'm on as somebody-- in raymond reddington. when one is committing to a television series it's a significant commitment. i lie to myself and tell myself that, "oh, if i can't bear it, i can escape somehow." but you can't really. if it's a hit, then you're in trouble. >> rose: it's been on how many years? >> this is the fourth season that's on right now. but i think i was looking for that, looking for somebody who no matter what his life may be and as dire as things might be that he always retain an irreverence or sense of humor, and also a great appreciation for-- which i found so strangely, again, dichotomous in him is the fact that somebody who is dealing in the realm

between life and death, that very narrow, narrow strip between life and death, that someone who lives so much of his life in that tiny little median strip has something an enormous appreciation for life. >> glor: "oslo" is the new play from j.t. rogers, and it's now on broadway. it charts the nine months of secret negotiations in the norwegian capital that led to the historical oslo accords between israel and the palestinian liberation organization. earlier this week, charlie spoke with j.t. rogers, along with the director bartlett sher, actor jennifer ehle, and terje rod-larson, the man who along with his wife coordinated the negotiations. >> one of the reasons why i believe there is a full house every day now is that in-- at this day and time where we have

chaos and anarchy, gangland across the world, i think it portrays a message of hope, that it's possible to do the impossible; namely, to bring adversaries together to create friendship and to actually reach an agreement, which was done in 1993. >> rose: in today's world we can do that? >> i think so, too. but then sometimes it's easier to do the impossible than to do the possible. and i think that's what we did in 1993. >> rose: so just for the record, who's idea was it to make a playing play? >> to make a play. i think it was actually bart's idea. >> gl it was your idea. >> i met terje through my daughter. they were in school together, and i would go to soccer matches and he would tell me insane crazy stories of middle east peace, which was very fun at soccer matches, and introduced him to j.t., and i thought there could be a play.

>> bart was very savvy and, you know, we had a long relationship now work together. and he knew if he said to me, "i think there might be a play here," that my first response would be, "don't tell me what to write about." so he introduced terje and i. he&he came to see my last play, "blood and gifts." and you were very kind about it, and we went out for drinks. and as he talked-- i knew the vaguest outline. there had been a back channel for the oslo accords but i'm embarrassed to say now in hindsight i would have given all the credit to the clinton administration, say 97%. and as terje and i were talking over drinks a stone's throw from the theater, i realized there was a floor underneath the floor, to me, a secret i didn't know. and he, to his credit, really didn't want to talk about what

he had done. he wanted to talk about the extraordinary efforts of the israelis and palestinians to meet. as a storytaler, you say is that really? and when i traveled to interview her she did not want to talk about herself. >> rose: jennifer, what were you trying to capture for mona? >> i think the important thing about the mona who is in the play, she very cautious. she's a diplomat. she's very much an animal of diploam peace and chooses when she speaks very carefully. a population exploding with no place to explode. she chooses when she chooses to speak very carefully. and there are only a few times when she actually does speak up and speak her mind. organization she is there facilitatinfacilitating and bal. >> now, here's a look at your

weekend. the 143rd running of the kentucky derby is set for a 6:30 p.m. post time at lexington, kentucky's churchill downs. >> and they're off in the kentucky derby. >> it's the second and final weekend of new orleans jazz festival at the fairground race track. ♪ get on down >> and the beale street music festival runs through sunday in memphis, tennessee. and here's what's new for the week ahead. sunday is the day the kennedy library awards the j.f.k. profile in courage award to former president barack obama. monday is the day the senate judiciary committee on crime and terrorism holds hearings on russian interference in the 2016 election. tuesday is the day the nominees for the c.m.t. music awards are

announced. wednesday is the day previews start for the venice biennial. thursday is the opening meeting of the g-7 finance ministers in italy. friday is the day u2 begins its "joshua tree" anniversary tour in vancouver, canada. saturday is the day president trump delivers the commencement address at liberty university. >> glor: that is "charlie rose: the week" for this week. thanks for watching. charlie will be back here next week. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: brought to you in part by:

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