>> charlie: welcome to the program. we begin with admiral mike mullen who was a primary adviser to president obama. >> you go in the office and closing the door and giving the president very frank advice, telling the president where he's wrong is very tough. and every president needs somebody to do that. >> charlie: we conclude with cbs sportscaster and his mission to do something about alzheimer's. >> hoping ultimately to cure but at this stage if we can slow progression and doing trials joe can talk to you about. the amazing thing about the hope

is if you can get the disease early, block and tackle it, knock it down, you do it at an early stage we call mild cognitive impairment. if you can prevent it from progressing from mild cognitive impairment to full-blown alzheimer's you can lead an almost normal life at that stage with more hope than we've had. >> charlie: with mike mullen and the effort to do something about alzheimer's when we continue. funding for "charlie rose" is provided by the following:

>> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: admiral mike mullen is here and retired in 2011 after serving four years as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. it made him the top military adviser to president bush and obama during the wars in afghanistan and teaches and has been a frequent guest on the program and i'm pleased to have him back at this table. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. it's good to be back. >> charlie: so what are you doing since retirement? >> a mix of things. on the volunteer side deb and i spend time with vets and their families and it's a tough space. we give that voice and try to focus on the charities in

support and particular in iraq and afghanistan. you mentioned the teaching which is what i enjoy more than anything else. i'm on a couple boards, general motors and sprint which has been growth for me to learn about how those businesses work. most particularly i've stayed out of the fray in washington consciously. although i think i'm as concerned as what's going on there as anybody else. i don't mean just now but i hav concern about the paralysis, the polarization there and the inability for washington to answer the mail for the american people. >> charlie: does it need a white knight or something else? >> i worry there are huge challenges that represent being addressed except maybe rhetorically and that we're in a bit of a decline.

one of the facts that has alarmed me is wages haven't increased since the '70s. so people are hurting and we haven't figured out how to create opportunities for them. you can talk about the economies. you can talk about the loss of jobs. it's all part of it. i don't think we've invested well enough in their futures when life changes, if you will in the rapidly changing times. i worry that we're sort of in a very slow decline and i don't know -- >> charlie: worried we're in a slow decline? >> yeah, as a country. there's a lot of things that need to be addressed. in that regard will we let that continue or will there be some catastrophic event that pulls us out. out of whom someone i couldn't name now because the leader that the american people say, okay, we're going to follow you.

>> charlie: that person you can't imagine who it might be -- >> no >> charlie: -- no one can. >> i don't see the cod -- cadre in washington. >> charlie: there's all kinds of conflict that existed before. president trump isn't the first to feel the press hasn't been fair to him but he's alleged a witch hunt and there's other institutions under attack. >> the press is under attack itself. before the last election the changes ongoing there as well. i have no -- i think we need to continue to change and institutions need to figure out how can evolve to answer the mail for the american people. but i've also come to believe

it's tough to do this out of washington. there's few things washington does well. obviously they provide resources but in the long term i believe it's the local community and local community leaders, mayors who make the difference because they have to make decisions which requires options. i listend to an interview a couple months ago from a senior at northeastern liberal college on mpr and asked what are you going to do next which is a natural question. she's from southwest pennsylvania and said i've been up here in this liberal college and liberal echo chamber and said i have to go home. and southwest pennsylvania is all red. she said i have to go home and find out why my family feels this way.

what she was saying to me is we have to start listening. not just flame-throwing or yelling out of each other but we chambers and listen to the real concerns -- >> charlie: some of that is eligibility. >> i'm sure that's true but it's that piece which we have not been doing for a long time. >> charlie: you know bob muller? >> i do. >> charlie: what do you think of him? >> he's a terrific guy. he's tough, fair, disciplined, focussed and do what has to be done. >> charlie: no political pressure can be put on him. >> i don't think he'll be impeded either. i get he works for attorney

general. you couldn't pick a better guy. >> charlie: this is not a special commission. it's an independent council. >> i have a lot of faith in bob and i think he'll be able to get to the bottom of it. whatever that is and he'll answer that question and other get generated once the investigation starts. >> charlie: did you know james comey? >> i didn't. i just knew of him and thought highly of him. certainly his reputation was superb. the first time i focussed on him was in the bush administration taking on the issue of torture and famously went over to the attorney general ashcroft's hospital bed to intervene. but that's james comey. that's been his reputation throughout. >> charlie: the white house was interesting to get him to sign something and he said no. >> he camped out to make sure it wouldn't happen. >> charlie: that's the question we have today whether anybody

can say no to the president and this is a clear question, nobody knows who can say no to the president. >> and rightfully so it's to the most power. -- in the world and you close the door and give the president frank advice and telling the president where he's wrong very tough. every president needs somebody to do that. >> charlie: it's tough because what? >> it's always tough it tell the boss, whoever the boss is he or she is wrong. it's that much more difficulty because of the graphity -- gravity of the issue and it's the president of the united states. >> charlie: has social media changed us all? >> it's changing us and moving more quickly.

we can argue whether it's good or bad. >> charlie: let me talk about places around the world. the state of our union, how -- you just said we have a terrible problem, we may be on decline because of our institutions aren't recognizing a basic problem. people in the middle class are falling behind. the people who pay their taxes and fight the wars aren't participating in the american dream. >> they don't see it. >> haven't been overseas to look at countries with a bulging young generation who make decisions whether they become productive or not when they don't choose a productive path you don't have hope.

it's here with the inequality piece and leaders have to create not just rhetoric but hope. that's a worry. one of the things i've talked about for years is what's the number one threat to the country. i've said for years our debt. that issue which is $20 trillion and doubled in the last several years, how are we going pay our bills? how are we going to invest whether it's in education or infrastructure in a way that makes us a better country and provides the future we think needs to be fixed and our education system which we need to invest in. you can talk about charter schools in the world and many are good but you can't scale that. if we don't get at that we very much will be -- we have a mediocre future. and those things are happening

quickly. those are a couple of the things out there. the totality hasn't been happening. >> charlie: this was the criticism in the administration they couldn't find between the speaker of the house they both had their own political >> to me it became about them and the power and seemed almost personal in many cases oppose to what we need to do for the american people. the place to function has to compromise. there's been precious little of that. >> charlie: why is that? >> it's hard for me to know. this didn't happen overnight. we've been evolving this way a couple decades. the part is they don't know each other.

they don't live there anymore. their families don't know each other. they're kept apart from their own leadership. that personal relationship isn't there. we talked about the criticality of relationships and if you're in your own echo neighbor -- >> charlie: and you only watch the media feeds your thoughts. >> that's the big part as well. >> charlie: the president's off to saudi arabia. what's he hope to compromise? >> establish a relationship with the king and the leadership. the deputy crown prince as well as the crown prince. within those two lies the future of saudi arabia. while they still have a lot of oil the previous king start to look to a future that didn't depend on that.

>> charlie: other economic resources. >> right. can we help in that regard and still in respect to the country and not the leadership part of the saudis that sponsor terrorism. >> charlie: do those countries have the same confidence in us they did? >> i think they'll be delighted with the president visiting this time. >> charlie: his first person visit. >> my friends in that part of the world said where's the united states gone? we drew back over the course of the last several years. >> charlie: aren't you criticizing your former boss? >> i'm saying what we did and that's a fact. there's an opportunity for the

president to engage. there's a concern -- >> charlie: most the sunni countries. >> as well as israel. >> i'm struck he's going to the three religious centers of the world. and hopefully will be able to meet the concerns of the future. >> they're clearly getting along much better than they ever have before. it used to be the first question was what are you doing about the wars. >> charlie: and this president's had the palestinians to the white house. >> he has. >> charlie: and they've opened

up or as the some evidence of verbal change. >> one of the interesting things with the palestinian organization what led them as a terrorist organization has become a political organization and how good are they at that. >> we talked in the morning show about china and north korea. there does seem to be a dialog going with china whatever the nature is. >> agreed. the president made china a big target during the campaign but since then spent a weekend at mar-a-lago with the chinese president and talked about trade and said i'll be less demanding if you help us with north korea. >> i met with a group of senior chinese think tankers after the president's visit. they were happy with it.

>> charlie: they said the president listened to xi jingping and the history of the region. >> you don't know where this is going to go but clearly and there is a reality for a new president. there's a leavening of that to some degree and i think the two biggest economies in the world will have to figure out how to get along and constructively support each other in the future. china has a daunting future plan that i would argue doesn't include the united states. >> charlie: what's that plan? >> i think it's economic. >> charlie: a five-year plan. >> i think it's longer than that but they're growing their parliament to a much more significant capability in the

future. >> charlie: for a forward projecting of power. >> the kind of global reach they've watched us over the last 67 years and a kind of investment and dominance. they're investing in one road to come from china literally from istanbul to europe. they have a plan. what's our strategy with respect to that? how do we address that? >> charlie: that's what they say about the united states in terms of criticism, what's the strategy. what's the strategy, what's the strategy. >> i think it's a legitimate question, charlie. >> charlie: where's our long-term thinking? >> and we don't do it very well. people say we haven't had one in a long time that's not a good excuse. >> charlie: and with have some people in the economic sphere doing better than anybody in the

world. >> you mean american people? some of them are. >> charlie: i mean in terms of competing. >> charlie: the president are not being spread out the way they shut and what happens is in a particular product area and all of a sudden it turns out companies are matching that and they have a consumption model over there of 3 or 4 billion people there able to create a consumer demand. >> right. so we're critical for their markets right now as their largest consumer. what happens when that's no longer as big as it is? when they are the consumers and we're in a significant minority? i think we have a period of time here where we need to develop

wring out or relationship and our strategy and what are our interests and what would we protect and go to war for. i think i mentioned the book on the city trap. it's do china and u.s. have to get in fight. he studied 12 different examples and out -- sorry, 16, out of the 16, 12 went to war. we can't afford to have that happen. >> charlie: what's interesting is i went two years ago and would have gone back if not for the surgery to the forum and there was henry kissinger, that was the very subject would it be inevitable between what we have seen between a rising power. would they be able to find some kind of terms of an agreement

that does include military. >> it's a real healthy question to ask and answer correctly. we need to make sure that doesn't happen. i mentioned i'm on the board of general motors and we had a meeting in shanghai and i hadn't been there in years and it's eye-watering i went into a gm auto plant built in two years and it was spotless and fully automated. we got a bunch of briefs on it but i walked out -- they're generating high-quality vehicles, four types of vehicles on the production line and i walked out of there thinking, they're coming. >> charlie: a lot of people i know worry about north korea and you as a military person have thought about it and looked at the options we have. other people i know believe

they're closer than the consensus might be. >> i'm hugely concerned about that. i don't have any information to indicate that it will in the next year or two. if you look at the number of people killed in his regime it's vastly more than his father did and the missile tests it's vastly more and his development is vastly more than his dad. everything is at a higher pace. he's a really bad guy. he's lethal and has a legacy to uphold and almost more than any leader in the world he would be inclined to pull that nuclear trigger without giving it much thought. >> charlie: even knowing he would not survive? >> i really do. if he thought in particular he were in jeopardy i think he would. >> charlie: that raises the interesting question to me, does

he genuinely believe we may attack him. does he live that as a reasonable fear in his own assessment? >> that's what they've been saying for decades as you know. i don't have any indication he wouldn't believe that and has to prepare for that. this is his only path. his is his ticket to the dance. he's got to be very focussed on that. obviously he is. i think if we get to a point where he can put a nuclear weapon on top of an icbm and hit the united states that's a point too far. we can't let him get there. it's china, it's japan, it's russia and the leadership of the world that has to put enough pressure on this guy, one way or another whatever the path is to make sure that didn't happen. >> charlie: i don't understand what the pressure is going to do that hasn't already done. >> that's why it's such a

difficult problem. >> charlie: what could we do militarily if we wanted to putting aside of the consequences of what they may do in term of south korea and their large army. what could we do if we wanted to? >> we did a study last year and we sort of walked our way from negotiations to get a point where if all of that fails we could preemptively start attacking his sites. we has deep targets but we can start showing him literally how serious we are in that regard. would that make had him respond? it's hard to know and why it's a difficult problem and need to solve it from a negotiation standpoint.

and i think president trump moved president xi in common. i've seen more movement visibly in terms of how china's responded. whether in fact they do something in execution is key. >> charlie: terrorism. they're clearly making progress in mosul and raqqah in terms of land and reducing the size much their caliphate but we've also seen an uptick in terrorist attacks. >> i think that's a problem even as you get the land back. this is the franchising and inspiration that comes from whether it's al-qaeda or isis and isis in particular. it's not going to go away. i think it can be contained and

we need to continue our focus. i don't think it's existential to the country and fundamentally changes our way of life. at the same time it's a priority i think we have to pay attention to. in particularly as the focus and i'm not a big fan of president putin but one thing i've talked to the russians about for years is they're really concerned about terrorism. they have a focus on that. i think we can have a meaningful long term discussion so syria doesn't become the terrorism headquarters of the world. >> charlie: thank you for coming. >> good to see you. >> charlie: back in a moment. stay with us. >> charlie: the alzheimer's center was founded in 2007 and treats those who suffer from the disease. the goal is to improve the quality of life for every

patient and eventually prevent alzheimer's. jim nantz is a five-time national sportscaster of the year and lost his father to alzheimer's in 2008 and made it a life's mission to advance research and care giving to those who suffer from the disease. joining me are two physicians leading the way to treat alzheimer's, dr. stanley appel and dr. joseph masdeu and they're also professors of neurology at cornell. i'm proud to have them at this table especially my good friend jim nantz. this is a mission for you. >> it is. >> charlie: tell me how you became committed, determined. >> thank you for having us on and on this journey. we've shared a lot about this through the years.

my dad had a long dreadful battle, 13 years against alzheimer's. i wrote a book called "always by my side" and i realized there was an audience. they reacted immediately in some ways i think galvanized the alzheimer's community. the feedback now ten years down the road still follows me where i go. the book it's not one we're trying to sell now but people are unfortunately the care giving side can relate to it. i can walk out of a tower or broadcast booth and people are asking me to sign the book and tell a story about a loved one. i realized i was put on the planet to do something more than have the best seat in the house for the final four or the master's. it became something that overtook me.

>> charlie: since the book's response gave you an incentive and motivation to go further. >> it did. it taught me i could communicate with people and the book inspired people. very relatable to people that unfortunately have been in the abyss of trying to care for an alzheimer's victim. i wanted to find a way to use my voice to create positive change. i have my father's voice. i was never professionally trained. i carry his name. my friends and family know me as jimmy. my dad was jim. when i started in cbs i wanted to sound more mature than a 26-year-old kid a few years out of college so i stayed with my professional jim nantz name and dad's name and i realized i have my dad's voice.

i have my dad's name. i want my dad to be heard. i want through my platform i want my dad to be an agent to change and ultimately cure alzheimer's. i've said it a lot recently. i feel if i don't see by the time i take my last breath positive change in the world of alzheimer's then i didn't make the most of my platform. i know my dad would be telling me right now, son, do something with the chance you have. speak to the nation virtually every week of your life and do something to make the world a better place and that's what drives me. >> charlie: you have written in the book and in conversation about when you discovered your dad had alzheimer's. and how the doctor told you and your mother.

>> that man sitting at this table is dr. appel. i first met stan in 1985 in my first year at cbs reporting on bob waters who suffered from als. he was the head of neurology at duke medical. he made an impression with me. now my father all these years later suffers a stroke -- >> charlie: a mini stroke. >> one of those t.i.a.s and i took him to doctors here and wasn't happy with the feedback and i thought if i can get him to stan appel. he's known around the world i wonder if he'll take my call and have a chance to put my dad in front of dr. appel. all those years he remembered me and he diagnosed my father on the spot. my dad was already passed the early onset stage.

we had a serious issue. >> charlie: he told you the challenges you would face. >> it was devastating. i could hear my mother in an adjoining room -- she was being counselled at that time by someone from houston medical hospital and my mother was being informed of the diagnose and i can hear her wailing that the family faced a different world for who knew how many years and he faced a 13 year struggle. it just digresses. >> charlie: and the less recognition of things around him. >> exactly. holding on to faint recognition. anything you can get. i would open my shows with hello friends. in the snarky world that can be out there in social media people have all kinds of impression of

what that means and truly -- i wrote it in the book, it was a coded message to my father while he still could hold on to a memory. he had nothing but friends in his life and was visiting before i left to broadcast an event i said dad, saturday i'm coming on the air and i'm going to say your name and say hello friends. i want you to know i'm talking to you when i say that so i did it. that night a friend of mine, eli spill. who i wrote these and he said i heard you say hello friends and where'd you come up with that and he said you ought to say that from now on. and i look in the camera and i say hello friends and i think of my father and i'm relaxed and composed. it's a good feeling. >> charlie: before we talk about what jim is doing, tell us where we are in terms of the effort.

to deal with alzheimer's and cure and slow down the impact it has on you? >> there's a huge, huge effort being made. we're one of the centers and thanks to jim a very good one. it's a dreadful disease and we see that every day in the people we take care of. you can name any major medical institution in this country and abroad and there's researchers there working on alzheimer's. we are trying to understand how it develops and how it works and come up with better treatment. >> charlie: are we seeing more and more? >> we have 5 million in the country and if we don't do

something quickly we'll jump to 20 million in another 20 or 30 years. >> charlie: what are we discovering? where's the research taking us? >> i just want to give a big, big picture view of this because from my perspective being in this field or the field of neurology a good number of years, this is the most exciting time -- this is the time when we have more hope than we've ever had before. >> charlie: hope to do what? >> hope ultimately to cure and slow progression. doing trials joe can talk to you about. the amazing thing about the hope is if you can get it disease early, block and tackle it,

knock it down, you do it at an early stage we call mild cognitive impermanenairment and it from becoming full-blown alzheimer's you can lead an almost normal life at the mci stage and that's where we are with more hope than we've had for decades. >> charlie: mild cognitive impairment. do we have the tools to do that now? >> to cure it? >> charlie: no, if we catch it at cognitive impairment do we have the tools whether farm --

pharmacological or what have you. >> what we have been able to determine and see what's going on in the brain through imaging tools is 10 to 15 years before anybody has problems we see mild cognitive impairment when they forget meetings and a little more serious than forgetting their keys. before that, when a person is completely fine there's already a buildup we can see with brain imaging called positive image tomography and the idea is to use medications and see whether this can prevent the development of the disease where we can push

it back 10, 20, 30 years. it's been done. we're looking at medication to reduce amyloid and we're hopeful because for the first time we are attacking the problem knowing what the problem is. i think this is the critical difference -- >> charlie: snow know what >> charlie: know what? >> the protein amyloid builds up. >> and there's another protein that can be blocked we feel could be effective and we feel it's promising the combinations of these will be the proper way to slow and prevent --

>> charlie: so the protein that affects the beginning stages of alzheimer's. what else don't we know? what don't we know? we don't know how -- >> we don't know whether this treatments we are applying are going to work. when the second protein builds up is when the person begins to have problem and forget appointments and it's when the person has mild cognitive impairment leading to early alzheimer's. that's why reducing amyloid is so critical and we're there. we're doing it and we'll be able to tell you in a few years whether the approach works or

not. a few years meaning as few as three years. >> charlie: what are you doing in the alzheimer's center? >> i talk about virtually every week of my life. back to what you asked before earlier, what could i do? i wanted to team up with stan. i wanted to go down to houston which has this fabulous texas medical center at houston methodist hospital, world-acclaimed and wanted to bring a first-class alzheimer's research institute as well as clinical care to the city. put the project in the hand of the babe ruth of neurology and stan appel and put an all-star team together. i'm careful about talking science. i'm trying to -- as someone who's lived through it as a member of the club that lost a

parent to alzheimer's i'm out selling hope and not false hope. i believe in these guys and i pick them up and say where are we? >> charlie: are you funding it or raise money for it? creating awareness? >> both. in the last week alone i've had four alzheimer's -- the last week and a half fund-raising events. my we've and i support it as well. we've done everything from massive fund-raising events to make presentations in front of people looking to send grant money down to houston from the department of defense to various other sources. again, we're careful not to approach their world. they're the best and i'm trying to drive it as best i can for people to know we're in the fight together. >> charlie: there's former

president bush. >> he's had several bouts of pneumonia and highs ready to get back this summer. >> i'm a believer if really prominent people women start talking about the loved ones and their disease that amount of awareness is more important than anything else. >> charlie: why is awareness so important? >> because it gives people hope. we'reiúcd a great believer thate can translate into meaningful not solution of the disease but at least being able to grapple with some of the problems that develop and it can quiet down disease. the amazing thing is i'm a big

fan of the immune system. we're studying that in alzheimer's. the more positive you are and the more you feel there's hope the more you can get there the more the immune system can help you deal with the problem that's developed -- >> charlie: how much did ronald reagan and his forthright announcement do? >> tremendous amount. nancy regan -- i'm concerned is a heroine for getting awareness and to the point we can get young people supported to enter the field to help solve the problem. >> i think it was a game changer, charlie. let's face it. there was a stigma people. people wouldn't say their loved ones had alzheimer's or died from alzheimer's --

>> charlie: or knew what it meant. >> and were almost embarrassed about it to lay claim to it and be forthright about it. i saw what the reagans did and what maria shriver did. i wanted to join that team. i wanted to be a crusader out there too. i hope when people see the on television covering a sporting event think, hey, that's the guy on our team. he's doing everything he can with a lot of passion and energy making a number of speeches and talks and presentations during the course of the year to steer the proper money and research and funding into the hands of the great experts. >> charlie: give us a time line. where do you think we can be five years from now, ten years from now, fifteen years from now realizing all kinds of things can intervene to be a road block or expedite? >> postponing the beginning of

the disease i think is something we'll see in the next five years. we're working on what's going on in the brain. not just systems and people can look similar -- >> charlie: the cellular component of it? >> exactly. the cellular component being able it know what's going on in the brain. i was telling you about the protein tau. we've been able to see tau only the last three years or since it's been the lead identifying this protein with this compound that we have through images. and frankly as the person gets worse it gets worse proportionally to the build up of the brain. we can measure it and tell if a person is getting better or worse after we give them the

medication. we have something objective we're doing testing to know a person is getting better or worse. >> charlie: delaying the impact within five years? >> right. delaying the progression of the disease. >> i was going to say, it's not delaying the impact it's laying it the progression which is huge. the other thing that's important and joe is always talking about this we're now in an era of personalized medicine. what's amazing is we can look at neuroimages. we can see the images there and he points out that in one of the early studies against the beta amyloid and the study didn't have that so the study wasn't effective. we can now do that with the

imaging and this is one off the most talented guys in the world to help us with neuroimage. we call it a bio marker. it's a marker of the earliest stages of disease even before there's cognitive function you can point to. >> charlie: we've been doing a series on the brain over the last four, five years with dr. eric kandel who established the zuckerman institute to look at the increased focus on the brain. the response we get from these issues with having people hike this come around this table to talk about depression, to talk about lou gherig's disease and parkinson's that's brain related is amazing and understanding how much is inherited and how much is a factor of how you live your life and that kind of thing. >> no question.

one of the concerns with patient we're about helping them with the quality of life not just the length of life, it's quality. it's quality that allows us to be husbands, fathers, sons -- >> charlie: and how much is genetic? do you have any control over this? >> you said it -- it can be changed by the way you live, absolutely. >> can i try a different answer to that question because i think how you live is critical. a single gene we used to think was responsible for a large segment of the alzheimer's population.0e turns out it's under 5%, 10%,

it's not a huge number. however, the vast majority is still as genetic as intelligence is in general, as height, as a variety of things the difference it could be 100 genes with susceptibility as well as resistance. the way i hear it is what caused this. the way i put it is the genes load the gun but the environment pulls the trigger. it has to do with environment interacting with resistance. >> charlie: good ruck -- good luck to you. if you don't mind i want to talk

a little bit of sports with him. you have tony romo. >> he'll be calling football with us. >> charlie: how'd that happen? >> he was hurt and dak prescott came up and did pretty well and the question was would he go somewhere else or retire as a dallas cowboy like one of his heroes, roger staubach and he can break down a play or explain what the cowboys were trying to do not just the cbs side but virtually every network made a run at him and we're thankful he's coming to cbs. >> charlie: how happy were to you see the masters and see sergio win because of the human

drama of it? i've always taken pleasure when the champion has been labelled as a guy who can't get it done and has everyone filling him with doubt, every press conference and every question has a tinge of doubt and the line of questions. you've never won a major -- where are you going to take your career from here. sergio was the horrible label, best player to never have won a major. for him to face those adversities and when he was 19 years old we thought he'd go against tiger and they'd trade major championships. for it to happen a double number of years later, 18 years later to win the masters the way he did was sensational. augusta has a way of presenting

story lines so rich. remember balsteros would have been celebrating and his countryman would have been 60 years old the day he won the masters tournament. it was a sweet win. justin rose exhibited tremendous class and sportsmanship in defeat. >> charlie: they showed that throughout the final round the friendship. >> cheering each other on and long-time ryder cup teammates. >> charlie: they have these people they call runners at the ncaa, you know. they're fleet afoot. they serve at the whim of their masters for the broadcasters and they go get them whatever they want.

>> the final was a buzzer beater. they hit shots and luke may hit a shot to win it at the buzzer and went to two one-point games to one-possession games in the national se -- semifinals and i was disappointed the final game was called to closely with the whistles and stoppage of play it blocked the flow and i thought it would be a block buster game and if you're a north carolina fan but i thought it had potential but it kind of got taken away. >> charlie: of all the sports you've covered sit the final four, is it the masters, is it what? >> i have three children.

i love them all the same. >> charlie: in me sin -- >> charlie: >> charlie: in medicine they call it a copout. >> i've worked with phil sim and he goes in the studio as an analyst and he's excited about that and i'm happy for him and now tony's coming on board it will be a fun time but the nfl to watch a stadium come it life with 75,000 people just pouring in in front of you, i get there five hours before kickoff and i watch it take on the pulse and i'm a fan watching it. there's something really exciting to me about the nfl process and preparation i enjoy maybe as much as if not more than anything. stand alone one event i wouldn't trade the masters for anything. that tournament with its tradition the same golf course all the other majors rotate around. everybody comes around

springtime to augusta, georgia and if you're like me and have the history cataloged in your head you can't help but think about arnold palmer this year. >> charlie: thank you both for coming. >> thank you. >> charlie: thank you for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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