>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, president trump's travels, investigations in washington, and jordan peal directs his first feature, the horror film "get out." he calls it a social thriller. >> we have to go. >> is everything okay? >> rose, the keys. just get the keys. i don't know where they are. >> rose! >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide.

captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? >> aware of the audience. >> rose: is it luck at all or is it something else? >> it was promoting an idea. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> you know, just take ownership of it. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: this was the week a suicide bomber killed 22 concert-goers in manchester, england, many of them young. president trump neerd the end of his first foreign trip. and the rapper drake took artist of the year at the annual billboard music awards. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. >> roger moore, the man who played james bond, the third actor to play james bond in the m.g.m. series, he was battling cancer, roger moore deadline at 89 years old. >> a deadly terrorist attack in the u.k. >> so many young beautiful people murdered by evil losers. >> michael flynn invoking his

fifth amendment rights. >> i will make clear to president trump intelligence shared between our law enforcement agencies must remain secure. >> trumpcare will be a cancer on the american health care system. >> a congressional candidate accused of body slamming a reporter. >> it was a good meeting but it got awkward with the pope asked trump if he wanted to confess and trump was like, "i don't know anything about russia." >> passing michael jordan. ♪ push it real good >> president trump appears to just push aside montenegro's prime minister there. what was that. >> move it, montenegro. >> is he a president or a bridesmaid positioning to catch the bouquet. >> a feisty sea lion going a little too far to show a crowd in canada what he's made of. >> this is place where we stand strong together with a smile on our face, mancunians forever

♪ we're not gonna take it >> there is the final whistle, a victory for manchester united. >> this is not just for manchester united, this is for manchester it's fans, the people of the city ♪ we're not gonna take it >> rose: president trump is wrapping up his first overseas trip. he's in sicily at the g-7 summit. it is the phenyl stop of a foreign swing that has taken him to saudi arabia, israel, the vatican, a nato meeting, and the g-7 summit. joining me is richard haass. he is the president of the council on foreign relations. his new book is called, "a world in disarray: american foreign policy and the crisis of the old order." welcome, and thank you. >> good to be back. >> rose: happy memorial day as well. >> thank you, sir. >> rose: how would you assess this president's first foreign trip? >> i think he-- the first half, okay. he could have done more, i think, to talk to the saudis and others more directly about the

flaws in their own societies that in many ways have generated so much of the terrorism we've seen. but all things being equal, the first half of the trip went okay, in no small part because the israelis and the saudis both were thrilled he wasn't barack obama. >> rose: yes, and that they view themselves as having a common enemy, which is iran. >> exactly, exactly right. so the first half of the trip north bad. the second half of the trip could not be more different. and there much more difficult going. instead of welcoming him in the way the israelis and the saudis did, the europeans were not inclined to welcome him, they prefer barack obama almost the mirror image of the middle east. his whole manner of confronting them. he went to saudi arabia and the famous line, ," i'm not here to lecture you." he seemed to show up in europe and he was there to lecture them and that did not go down too

rose: he lectured payments of the united nations, and he made a very good point that president obama and other presidents have made-- those countries should contribute mur. i guess the question should be is it how he said or how he said it? >> if you add up the potattle on what they spend on defense. they don't have the same global responsibilities of the united states, so it need not be exactly the same. they do many other things. many of them give higher percentages of their g.d.p. to foreign aid and development aid of different sorts. but your basic point is right-- even if you want to get them to do more, it's not clear to me this is the way to do it. diplomacy is meant to persuade other people, to get them to do what you want them to do. this hardly seems likely to do that. plus, he showed up there, charlie, against the backdrop of calling nato obsolete, all these concerns. so he had some low-hanging fruit, if he chose to pick it, to reassure and he basically chose not to picket low-hanging fruit. >> rose: i thought idea that he didn't strongly support article 5, especially when you

consider all of those nations in the spirit of article 5 came here at 9/11. >> absolutely. and article 5, an attack on one is an attack on all, it sends the message that we're all on equal footing. there's no distinction. but america first sends a very different signal. it sounds like we're going to put ourselves before we're going to put others. so he needed to use this trip to reassure and basically say, "we see your security intrinsically tie to our own, every bet as important as our own." and again, he missed the opportunity to do it. ironically enough standing under the twisted piece of metal from 9/11, which was the only time in its history that nato has actually put article 5 into play. so, again, it seemed to me he just missed a fairly easy opportunity to send the right signal. >> rose: how about the g-7? >> this is-- it's ironic. g-7 was created, as you know, decades ago in order to forge all sorts of cooperation, not just across the atlantic, but

globally, bringing the japanese in to deal with global challenges. one of the biggest global challenges is trade. this administration has walked back from that. another global challenge is climate change, big question as to where mr. trump and his colleague will come out on that. other than nuclear prif alation and terrorism, which are old-fashioned, sorts of guns-and-bullets national security questions, it's not clear whether there's going to be a meeting of the mind, not just in sicily, but more broadly. >> rose: richard haass, more of this interview can be seen on tonight's charlie rose. >> rose: president trump returns to washington saturday night. that gives him a week to prepare for the return of congress and the coming battles over health care, tax reform, and the budget. and looming over all of that, the investigations into russia and the 2016 elections.

joining me now is mike allen. he is the cofounder of axeias, and editor of the axuous a.m. newsletter. let me begin with jared kushner, nobody closer to the president, he and his wife, ivanka trump. he is said to be at the center of the investigation, without any question or anybody suggesting-- or knowing he has in any way done something. his lawyers have said he will come forward and explain everything about the meetings he's had with russians. but this is a critical point for someone so close to the president to be so central to an investigation. >> perfectly put, charlie. and just to set the scene here. over the months we've called jared kushner the supreme court, because he's the last word. you talk to people both inside the west wing, c.e.o.s that come in there, and we say, "if you want to sell an idea to the president, if you want to quns the president of something, who do you talk to?" and universally, they say jared

kushner, who is very gifted at moving the president in a particular way. so now, to have the f.b.i. interested in him as part of this russia investigation, now, charlie, as you suggested accurately in your top, he's not a subject. he's not a target. like, whatever words you often hear in conjunction with an investigation, it's much more nuanced and removed than that. during the transition, he had meetings with russians that they are interested in finding out about. and so it's natural that he would be talked to. but, charlie, you outlined that calendar that they have ahead, and this investigation is really a pall. any time the f.b.i. is interested in something, charlie-- you know this, you've covered these over the years-- to do interviews, prep for the interviews, federal investigations don't tend to stop where they start. so it's just-- it just makes it harder for this white house,

which already was struggling to keep its head above water. >> rose: but there's also this-- he did not include in his security clearance information the fact that he had met with the russians. >> that's right, charlie. and fascinatingly enough, a key lawyer for ivanka trump and jared kushner is jamie garelick, who your viewers know from the clinton years, now in private practice. and she put out a statement saying if contact by investigators, jared kushner will be cooperative. so the reason that that wording is so key is that if suggests to you he has not yet heard from them, that there has not been any document from them or requests for documents. so that's all a movie that's still to play out. >> rose: there's also the question of steve bannon, who had lost some, it is said, influence in the white house to in fact ivanka trump and her husband, jared kushner.

it is said now he's back because there is beginning to be in the white house a kind of war room mentality "and how do we know and how do we resist what we republican going to be these extended investigations?" >> no, charlie, that's right. and this is really a sea change for this white house, and so a very important moment for your viewers to tune in and soak in, and that is this is the week that the white house realized and internalized the fact that for as long as donald trump is going to be president, they are going to be besieged. so they're creating a clinton-style war room. so scandal machinery, charlie, which your viewers will remember, is back. and this white house is trying to learn lessons from both the reagan white house after the iran-contra revelations, and the clinton white house which had plenty of opportunity and experience with scandals. and one of the big lessons, charlie, is to try to wall off what's going on, that if you put

one person or one office in charge of the response, the strategy, the idea is that you can keep every aide in the west wing from being sucked into it, that other people will be allowed to do their day job, will be allowed to serve the president in other ways, will be allowed to pursue the agenda. but, charlie, will the president be able to compartmentalize? and there's been no sign that donald trump can do that. so this is going to be the challenge and the thing to watch that, yes, they can build a war room struck the tower try to preserve the mind share, the wand width of other parts of the west wing, but will the president go along with that. >> rose: when the president comes back he will come back to the russian probe which has an independent counsel, robert mueller, who is already there and collecting information. we also have investigationing, "a," from the justice department. "b," from the house intelligence

committee. "c," from the senate intelligence committee. and james comey will testify. some say there are questions as to-- he'll clearly want to talk about the diary. he will work with rober robert r to figure out what he is prepared to testify about. this is going to make a washington that's-- that's going to be focused a lot on investigations. >> well, no doubt. and, charlie, this is going to be unbelievable drawm pap i think there was a tweet the other day that someone from "house of cards" said washington had stolen all their ideas for the next season. >> rose: neal degrass tyson is the director of the hayden planetarium at new york's museum of natural history. he also hosts the popular radio and tv show called "star talk." in both roles, he has sought to make science and the stars access ebl for the rest of us.

his latest book is called, "astrophysics for people in a hurry." >> we've got planets, moons, asteroids, comets, stars, galaxies, entire universe past, present, and future. and the interesting thing is that the laws of physics-- it's not a given. it's not written in the sky that it had to be this way. but the laws of physics we established in the laboratory, turns out they apply across the universe and across time. and i celebrate that in a chapter there called "on earth as it is in the heavens." so when you apply the laws of physics discovered on earth to the universe, you are an astrophysicist. >> rose: and universe, the def negz of "universe?" >> strong theoretical consideration is that there might be such a thing as a multi-verse. which is this entity out of which the universe was born-- if you asked what was around before the universe, you would say

there is this living multi-verse. spawning possibly infinite other universes with slightly different laws of physics. so let me, for the purposees of today, say the universe is everything that we can receive to our detectors from here to our horizon, our cosmic horizon. >> rose: and what do we mean by "the big bang?" >> the space, time, everything and we call it a big bang. and it was name that prejorratively by a critic of this idea 70, 80 years ago. but it stuck and, you know, you just take ownership of it, and especially since all the data shows that the universe began in this infintes male small spot. >> rose: how important is it when you look at the support of science, how important is it to have, you know, a full understanding of what science does for us and why it's so essential to support it? >> charlie, that's a great question. you know, i will not require

that a leader know or be fluent in science. i can't require that. what i would want is that the liter leader knows when they don't know something, and then brings in an expert to advise on it. and then knows how to trust the advice of an dispert. those are the best leaders. the best leaders are the ones d know how to choose advisersnr in that capacity. so in this, the 21st century, innovations in science and technology are the engines of tomorrow's economy. and science and technology are what will be providing our health, our wealth, and our security going forward. so as the science community marched on washington, it makes us look like we're kind of, like, a special interest group. all right, you want to call us that, fine. what is our special interest? it's your health and your wealth and your security. and it's the superb interest that applies to us all.

>> rose: stephen star is the owner of more than thert restaurants. their styles differ wyattly-- asian, latino, steak, seafood, italian, and even comfort food. earlier this month he took home the prestigious james beard award for outstanding restaurateur. >> i sold my concert business in 1993. did not know what to do -- >> . >> rose: this was in philadelphia. >> that was in philadelphia, yes. didn't really know anything else, other than that. i knew how to maybe produce, you know, events. and i just wondered what i could do. and i said, you know, there's an-- there's a void here in philadelphia. it's not very exciting. i'm kind of bored, and i want to open something that i would enjoy. so i started researching, and came up with the first restaurant idea. >> rose: and what was that? >> back then, the martini craze had not started in america. as a matter of fact, when you were young people really didn't

know what a martini was. everybody was drinking wine or beer or dark liquors. there was a craze developing in california. i went there to see it. and in new york there was a place on 1st avenue called global 33. and i said this martini thing looks pretty cool air, lot of young people making believe they were their grandparents and i opened a martini bar with food. and the next thing i know the movie "swingers" came out, and, boom. there was a giant, giant demand for it. >> rose: this was what, 1995? >> that was in 1995 i opened the continental, yes. >> rose: and did you find your experience in concert planning was helpful? >> yes. i think the years presenting eventize mean, i did madonna's first tour. i saw so much from, you know, the production standpoint, that i knew that selling concert tickets would help me sell people to come in to the restaurant. so it was-- i was promoting. i was promoting an idea.

in this case, back in '95, i was promoting martinis. and it work. there were lines literally around the block. >> rose: how has it changed since 1995? >> well, in 1995, it was sort of-- especially in philadelphia-- it was sort of the wild west. there wasn't much there. so any novel idea, any exciting, youthful idea just took off. what happened is then in the years to follow, the food network became a thing. so food -- >> television made an impact. >> television, giant impact. foodies, chefs, overnight chefs were celebritys. so chefs became the rock star. >> rose: they became celebrities. >> yeah, i mean, instead of booking u-2 i was book big-name chefs instead. so the food network made them stars which was both a blessing and a curse for us, for restaurateurs. and that's how it changed. >> rose: why a blessing and why a curse? >> a blessing because everyone now became a foodie. people who had no knowledge of

food, maybe no taste, all became experts. so that-- that was good. a curse because everyone became experts, so they were super critical, and you had to really appeal to the culinary demands of the public or what the public thought were culinary demands. so you couldn't just have a chef. he had to be a "name" chef. and it created another stress on the restaurateur that you couldn't just open a great restaurant with a guy or a woman that no one knew. you had to, like, know them. >> rose: comedian jordan pele is making his directorial debut this year. "get out" is what he calls a social thriller. it calls an african american man visiting his white girlfriend's

family for for the first time. the film has already grossed $175 million in theaters. this week it was released on blu-ray and d.v.d. you call this a social thriller. >> yeah, i thought there needed to be a new word for this. it's weird. it's not quite full-on horror, you know, the way a lot-- a lot of people that see it -- >> it looked pretty horror to me. >> the trailer definitely looks-- you know what i hear a lot is-- you know, i'm not a fan of horror movies but this one i like. this one i can deal with. i think there's something about the thriller genre that has a little bit more of, you know, a intellectual connotation. so i do like social thriller. but, you know, in my core, i'm a horror fan. >> rose: how will african americans view this differently than white americans? >> that's a really good question, and one that i thought about a lot creating it. i definitely knew i wanted to make a movie that would serve

the very loyal black horror thriller fan base who comes out, you know, loyalty time and time again. you know, we see horror movies. we identify with that world. but we're not representing there. and not only is our skin not represented in a protagonist role better, our identity isn't presented. >> sink into the floor. sink. >> our awareness of staying out of danger, you know. this goes back to the old-- eddie murphy routine, black people in a horror more make a very different short horror movie. that's where the title "get out" came from. the amityville "get out." "too bad we can't stay, baby." i was making a movie for black people but i didn't want to exclude anybody. >> rose: have you always wanted to be a filmmaker? >> ever since i was about 13,

13, 14, i wanted to be a director. and i just iefs just so transported by my favorite movies. movies like equal eightien" and "aliens," and "edward scissorhands," "terminator." spielberg movies. i was just so passionate, and it hurt. and i think it hurt so bad that it sort of scared me away from that fair qiel. >> rose: into comedy. >> into comedy but it was a good thing. it was what i needed to get my full training. >> rose: and when you thought about being a director, did you think about wanting to direct a horror film? >> yeah, i did. i did. and, you know, i-- i basically love all the fun genres, i would say, like action, sci-fi, horror. buttening the title of, like, a horror or tour would probably be the coolest thing for me. >> rose: how did you work towards this? i mean, you went the comedy

route. >>y went the comedy route. >> rose: which may have been a good preparation for being a director. >> i think so, i think so. >> rose: how so? >> well, comedy is an art form that forces you to study and be aware of the audience. so, you know, especially when you get live-- live comedy training, which, you know, the first little section of my career was live improv and sketch. and you sort of get this idea of what the audience is going to respond to. and you learn to-- you train yourself to bably to sort of pinpoint the-- what the audience is thinking and what they're feeling at any point. so when i made this movie, it was that same sort of attention to the audience. there's no-- there's no way you can sort of disregard what you-- what you're hoping the audience can get out of it. >> here's what's new for your weekend. johnny depp is back in theaters

in "pirates of the caribbean: dead men tell no tales." >> you will pay for what you did to me. >> the dead and company begin a summer tour at the m.g.m. grand arena in las vegas, nevada. ♪ at least i'm enjoying the ride." >> and sunday pbs presents the 28th annual memorial day concert from the west lawn of the capitol in washington, d.c. ♪ we can rest in peace because we are the chosen ones ♪ we made it to arlington >> and here's a look at the week ahead: sunday is the indianapolis 500. monday is memorial day. tuesday is manhatten hench, when the setting sun alines with the street grid of new york city. wednesday is the first day of

the french open tennis tournament. thursday is the final round of the scripps national spelling bee in national harbor, maryland. friday is the 50th anniversary of the release of the beatles' "sergeant pepper's lonely hearts club band." saturday is national trails day. >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. from all of us here, have a happy memorial day. i'm charlie rose. we'll see you again next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin tonight with richard haass, president of the council on foreign relations. he has a new book called "a world in disarray: american foreign policy and the crisis of the old order." >> instead of our welcoming him the way the israelis and saudis did, the europeans were not inclined to welcome him because they almost preferred barack obama, almost a mirror image of the middle east. lots about this president is not what they've come to expect from the united states or presidents. and his whole manner, went to saudi arabia and say i'm not here to lectur >> it's important for your viewers to tune in and soak