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>> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> what's the sleern >> i always wanted to understand. >> what's the significance of the moment? >> this was the week a mass shooter wounded five at a congressional baseball practice. including steve scalise, the house majority whip. the attorney general testified before the senate intelligence committee's russian investigation. and raphael nadal made history for the french open title. here are the sights's sounds of the past seven days. >> a deadly fire in gulf of london high-rise >> this is an unprecedented incident. i've never, ever seen anything >> to suggest that i was aware

of any collusion is a detestable lie >> to answer legitimate questions will lead to a more aggressive investigation >> special prosecutor is investigating the president for possible obstruction of justice >> an american college student seriously ill is home after freed from a north korean prison >> scalise has been shot. practicing baseball in alexandria virginia. >> former nba star dennis rod man is making another trip to north korea >> the winner of the awards show here. >> blasting you've givens agenda. >> congratulate you >> i met the president all of us here want to thank you for having a big beautiful behind. >> brain freeze knows what this

is it going through, then. ♪ . ♪ . >> it was not business as usual in washington this week. a mass shooter opened fire during batting practice of the republican congressional baseball team. five were hurt including the whip of the republican majority steve scalise. the "washington post" reported special counsel robert mueller is investigating president trump for possible obstruction of justice. and a spokesman for vice president pence hired outside

counsel. he's the chief correspondent for the "washington post" >> what is likely to be a pattern inside the white house that members of the senior staff who have been around president trump to see his disgust various aspects of the russian investigation, and his feelings toward it, could well end up being interviewed by the special counsel and they're going to need their own outside counsel, the president, as we know has outside counsel at this point. and the fact that the vice president has decided he needs it, i think will be taken by a signal as a signal to everybody inside the white house who might have some knowledge, culpability, whatever you want to call it they're to going to need it as well >> it should not be presumed they have anything to hide. it should be presumed that in today's world, you need someone who understands that world to guide you. >> i think that's right. i think part of it is also a way to compartmentlize. they do have day jobs and beyond what this investigation is doing. but i think there's another aspect to this, which is it is a

reminder that once you go down the road of having a special counsel, and the degree to which now this seems to be an expanding investigation, it will slow down the machinery inside the white house. i mean, everybody there will have in a sense of dual responsibility, they obviously have a responsibility to the country and to the president to help in the governing process. but they will also feel an obligation to themselves to take whatever precautions they may need. or simply to be as open as they feel they should be to cooperate in the investigation. as you say, it should not be a suggestion that they have something to hide, but it's wise to have your own counsel when you're in situation like this. is it politically untenable to hire a special counsel at this stage >> charlie, i don't know the answer to that question. you know, we know from reporting of last week, that president was eager to do so and was apparently talked out of it. but i think you have to say on

the basis of what he has tweeted, he still has in his mind some way to try to end this investigation or get rid of bob mueller. you know, it would be, it would be a volcanic political event if he were to do it and obviously one with great and grave legal implications but i don't know, i don't know that i could say that he's out of the question. you have a man now, a special counsel who has subpoena power and the power of the fbi and investigating all working with him. >> yes, i mean, you now have -- we have a full fledged investigation that thousand includes the conduct of the president of the united states. in a sense, we, you know, we need to step back and recognize the gravity of that situation. again, without, without determining what the conclusion is going to be. this puts the president in a terribly, terribly difficult position and all of those around

him. you know, these are serious lawyers who are working for bob mueller and they're going to do everything they can two run a very serious and thorough investigation. that's going to take time. it's going to make people uncomfortable. and it could well land some people with criminal indictment. we just don't know. there are a lot of threads to think there's the question of what russia did in the election. but there's also obviously the question of whether or not there was collusion or cooperation with trump associates. what other things were being done? there's now, there's indication that that the investigation is not simply looking at the role of the president's conduct but also the financial dealings of some of the people in the white house or who were part of the campaign. all of those -- i mean, any one of those is a significant investigation, and you got all of that operating at the same time.

♪ . ♪ . >> the ministry defense announced friday a russian air strike may have killed the leader of isis, abu bakr-al-baghdadi. it is far from the first time the leader of the islamic state has been reported killed or wounded. and the report remains unconfirmed. how likely is it that baghdadi is dead and if so what would isis look like without him? michael wise is. >> the big qualifier we don't know whether this is accurate. but it was draft interesting because they said he's dead. what do you make of all of this >> i think it's skeptical. principally because he would not be in raqqa. and they would not be having this high level meeting when it

is crumbling and all of are a ka is now end circled by the democratic forces backed by the united states. it is true that russia casually bombs there but it's not really the main stay of their endeavors, as we've seen from the two plus years of their interventions, this has been more about prompting up assad against other rebel groups including those back in the united states. the areas i've heard baghdadi travels in including bag, northwest i rack, the key area, on the syrian. i want to talk about what isis away look like or the islamic would look like without abu bakr-al-baghdadi in charge. he's 46 years old. where would it go next and how

cablely would it be able to continue on with what it has been doing now? >> if anything, we've learned in last almost 15 years about this organization, it has evolved, it has met more, it's incredibly resilient. he would be, in effect. depends on what you're talking to. either the fourth or the third man in charge. i would be very surprised if they haven't got somebody next in line or a series of candidates those next in line. i'm less interested in who heads the organization than i am at the sort of rank and file that are now filling it out and it's the trend that i've noticed in last seen months, two years, i call it the europeanation of isis. you got a lot of people from russia speaking territories, republics coming in and because they've served in the military of their native country and they're pretty bad ass if you

ask american soldiers who have seen them in action, they're the ones we have to be more worried about. isis is changing from the prominently arab terror organization to more russian speaker, french, english >> you can see more later on the nightly edition of charlie rose. >> this is surveillance in public spaces is the subject of had an sell and gretel. drones follow guests and project images as they tour the space. it's the latest collaboration >> we have this huge empty space

and that was the start. we said that's our potential. it's very extraordinary space in such a city, and we at the beginning, we have this spontaneous idea to this is a place for everybody. a park, a park that you should get lost, where you should be losing yourself. and this was the beginning and then when we were further thinking about people moving in there freely, and that cameras would follow and we would trace the paths and that's how step-by-step, different elements came together. filled up literally the space. made it a mental space. a surveillance space. a psychological space. where did hansel and gretel come from >> much later. somehow these trace that is you

project, you know, is remindful of the fairytale we all know. and of course, it has some things scary and menacing and dark forest and darkness, and getting lost. what do you want people who go through this to come away with? with? what should they. >> to get a total new experience when they walk into the huge dark condition. and even a person in the city, especially, in the west cities, same. being hundred times recorded. surveillance. life. so but to actually going through it images prints out. print out. at total. awakening >> all art is formed by personal experiences. is your perspective on this

inform by your own experiences >> yes. also, associated with my experience, because i was with civilians past ten years or so. and a few thousand civilians. and you know, also where you know, everything. how did that change you? >> makes you feel you have such a special connection to existence, you know, the power is watching, and get more out from you. ♪ . ♪ . new film starring selma

hyatt and john lithgow. they meet at a dinner party. and quickly following a debate over a range of today's hot button topics >> it's the story of a dinner. a dinner for six very wealthy people and there's a seventh guest and that's salma. who is a mexican immigrant, immigrated to the state. and in the course of this film, selma's character and mine kind of become antagonist while the others kind of look on. >> do you think it's funny? i believe it's sick. it goes from being very rye and comic to becoming complex, it goes from becoming a comedy

of manners to a film of much larger things >> and takes place over the course of a dinner >> one costume for each of us. brilliantly written. the two of them work together often. they presented it to salma as nothing but an idea, she said yes and here we are. why did you say yes >> i said what do i play and then he said nothing else. nothing. he would not tell me. and he hadn't written anything. it was just a an idea he gave me the script. what prompted the idea was a the dentist that killed sees sill the lie beyond. we were outraged and he thought

what would i do if i go to one of the safari one day and realize i'm sitting down with this guy? would i act normally like nothing happened? what would i do? >> he doesn't think of himself as the villain? why should we >> i think that a lot of respect both sides. the arguments are equally, equally eloquent and smart on both sides. written well >> written well, so well performed. and there's something terribly dramatic and intelligent and warm and smart about this guy. >> the interesting thing is the real connection does, as contentious. a real connection between the two of them. what's the connection >> we're engaging. either of us is afraid of

arguing our case, everybody else is but we're not. we're both very powerful characters. and it's quite gripping to see a movie from these two completely different and almost opposite worlds engage. you don't see that in movies, in plays or real life. sam elliot has a movie out this week called the hero. he plays an aging star of hollywood westerns coming to terms with lost opportunities. his own career has been very different >> i'm riding the peak right now, it's all peaks and valleys, i've had a wonderful career, almost 49 years now, and to still be at it doing something i loved as a kid and aspired to

do, you know, i'm a lucky man. your father said when you told him he wanted to be an actor >> no, he had that line about you got a snowball's chance in hell to make a living in that town. i think he'd be pickled now, he died as a young man. i was 18 when my dad died. you went to hollywood >> i did, in spite of his advice. how have you survived? >> i think i made a very conscious decision that i want two things in my life. one was an acting career. and the other one was a family. i wanted to be married. i wanted to have a child. and it's not an easy game. you know, it's work. it takes work to do that.t

the second season is streaming on netflix. the show evolved because we had a long break between the time we pitched the show and did it. because in that period, we got another season of parks and rec which is a show that alan and i worked on before, we got a half order, like 13 episodes kind of unexpected. and so we had that to kind of

marinate on what the show is. we wrote through some version that is were little bit more standard versions and kind of pushed ourselves to come up with stuff that was little bit. is it easier because you've gone from your own life experiences to write it >> it is but at a certain point, i've hit now, kind of tapped. you know, i'm still, you can, a single guy living in new york. and there's only so much i can write about that. but this season we did some things that were interesting where you know, there's an episode we did called thanksgiving where it was a lot about one of the other actors, she played one of my friends denise and it was about her experience deal with sexuality and coming out to her mother and it was fun to mind somebody else besides myself and we did another where i'm not in the episode about three random new yorkers, one is a taxi driver,

another is a deck woman whose deaf woman who's a cashier and a third is a doorman and we spent a lot of time interviewing people in these professions and deaf people and learning about experiences and it was fun challenge to kind of try to do what we do with these other people. . that drives your second season >> that's kind of the main, you know, the second half of the second season, when it gets to my character, it's kind of about him exploring the relationship and in the beginning, he's kind of digging around and trying to find that connection, and you know, we do an episode about him being on a dating ap and you see him kind of going through the dating and i believe it's just about this guy, you know, trying to do, me and alan and many other people are doing -- trying to find a connection with someone. then he finds it and it's with this woman that is engaged and, you know, he doesn't know what to do. people fascinated by and driven by the idea of can i make

-- can i find a connection? wherever it is. people are looking to belong. perhaps some way of feeling that they're not alone >> yeah, and i think alan and i were talking about this recently. as you get, you know, even in our 30's we just feel like, ok, like, how many more times am i going to feel that strong connection with someone? and even with all the dating aps and stuff, just feel like, how many times am i going to feel that magic? an and, all my friends, i've met all my friend and friends of friends. where am i going to find this thing? that idea is powerful to us to make it like, ok, he finds this connection, but it's with someone that's really unavailable. what do you do? you finally find this and you're excited about it's unavailable. here's what's new for the weekend. new york city celebrates pride week.

on saturday night the moody blews open the 9th season of the hollywood bowl. ♪ . and lord release as new album mellow drama. here ap look at the week ahead. sunday is the opening of the boston symphony season at massachusetts. monday president trump meets with pan mainian president at the white house. georgialy sixth congressional district. wednesday is the summer solstice and the longest day of the year. thursday is the day of the 2017 national basketball association

draft at new york's barkley center. friday is the annual world you g goliest dog contest. saturday is the start of san francisco pride weekend. that is charlie rose the week, before we go, we want to note the passing of helmet cole elected in 1982, the longest serving chancellor of west germany. he was 87 years old. i'm jeff lor. see you next time. visit online at pbs.org. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group a

>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin with jeff glor's conversation about i.s.i.s. and reports russian airstrikes may have killed the leader of i.s.i.s. abu bakr al-baghdadi. he talked to investigative reporter and author michael weiss. >> i take this accidentcally principally because he would not be in raqqa at this time and senior leadership would not have this high level meeting when the so-called caliphate is crumbling and raqqa is crumbling. >> rose: and we conclude with oliver stone, his documentary called "the putin interviews" premiered on showtime monday night. >> what does a direct