>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. this is special edition of "charlie rose: the week." i talk to david gran jd advance and senator al franken. >> i wrote this book to answer oquestion i get asked more than anything else, which is is being a united states senator as much fun as working on saturday night live, the answer is no, why would it be? but it's the best job i ever had because i get to improve people's lives. two weeks into being in the senate, johnny isaacson of georgia, i called him up i had this bill to match vets from

iraq and afghanistan to match vets with ptsd with service dogs, and that's when i feel i'm a good senator. >> rose: we'll have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> and so you beginning how? is it luck or something? >> you don't forget that. >> what's the object lesson here? >> the laws of physics. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. we begin this week with a look at the news of the week. here are the sights and sounds

of the past search days. >> the world mourning a legend of laughter and a tireless humanitarian, jerry lewis. >> you'll never walk alone ♪ ♪ >> military drills are underway between the u.s. and south korea. >> the man suspect ed of driving his van into a crowd of people in bars lone killing 13 people is now dead. >> a search and rescue mission is underway for ten missing sailors. >> anger erupts, at the first charlottesville city council meeting. >> we are not killing men, we are killing terrorists. >> the only answer is step away take our people out. >> the president will hold a rally in phoenix. >> they show up in the helmets and the black masks. >> no one understands you ♪ >> after president trump's

speech, police using tear gas and pepper spray break up the crowd of protesters. ♪ total eclipse of the heart. >> wow would you look at that a total eclipse of the sun. >> no one enjoyed it more than fox news's jeff smith. >> a total eclipse of the bag. >> run out of money. >> the secret services has also spent $64,000 to inspect elevators at trump tower and $63,000 to protect the golf carts on trump's property. >> he's got a a gun, hold on mr. mayor! we're coming! >> rose: democratic nart al frank owner is rediscovering his sense of humor.

his sharp focus on presidential officials have given sharp glimpse of his comity roots. nonfiction best sell are list for ten weeks, it is called al frank everyone, giant of the senate. >> they're not acting like people have nothing to hide. and so when you ask me do i have any evidence, i think there's all kinds of circumstantial evidence, we will follow the special prosecutor, he'll determine if there is evidence of cooperation, or conclusion. but it's hard to believe that jared kushner goes -- has this meeting with kislyak and forgets he's there. >> rose: and he doesn't report it? >> and doesn't report it when he is filing security clearance.

you don't forget that. and it's sort of hard to believe he's talking about setting up a communications within the russian' where it's, what did te president know and when did his son-in-law tell him? >> rose: what do you think they have to hide? >> well, we -- we know all our intelligence community said that the russians interfered with this election. and we know that the kremlin has done this before. in eastern europe. and there is something called the kremlin play book, a document which talks about how they do it. and part of the way they do it is they corrupt people. and we see -- >> rose: then they own them. >> and then they own them.

and we see manafort. and flynn taking money from the russians. we see trump's son saying in 2008 that a disproportionate amount of our money is coming from russia. i mean if the trump businesses are in large part financed by -- you know, it is lard to borrow money in the united states after you've gone bankrupt many times. (laughing) and so if your son is saying there's a lot of russian money coming into our business, he's presumably saying because there's a lot of russian money coming into their business. so that's -- and part of the kremlin play book is corrupting people, is getting their claws into them by investing in them. and corrupting them. and so we will -- this will unfold. ♪ ♪

>> rose: first time author and yale law graduate j.z. vance is a son of the white rust group, a family and culture in crisis, this was released in the middle of the 2016 election year and immediately found an audience with the populace appeal of president trump. >> it is not me, to the being democratic elite, it's the sense that people don't care like you. >> rose: exactly right, they don't care. >> exactly. that feeling unfortunately, as you think about the political dialogue that we're already starting to have, you know, both on the left and the right there's a movement to sort of gloat over the afact that the elites were right about donald trump, i'm a never trump guy, i never liked him. but i've noticed this willingness from people who think a lot like do i, that look, we told you so.

to all these white work class voters, we told you so. we told you trump was going to be aterrible candidate. we told you you would be an idiot to vote for him. if you take that as gloating over trump's defeat then you're playing over what gaifer rise to trump in the first place that the eleads are smarter than you and think you're a bunch of idiots. >> rose: what affect did this have on you, other than making it feel where you came from what impact and understanding of your own community might make? >> yeah well, it's for first time exposed me to the wild world of internet trolls who criticize everything. >> rose: really they follow fol you everywhere. >> absolutely. it's very interesting. the internet is a den of vipers as i like to say. i think biggest impact it's had on my life obviously is that it's sort of -- it's sort of forced me to confront the fact that i sort of exist uneasily in

the world of the elites and i exist uneasily in the world of the nonelites back home. i'll exist most easily in the middle town ohio. but as somebody who doesn't like trump myself i understand where trump's voters come from but i also don't like trump himself but that makes me believe i'm not totally part of either world, totally. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> rose: the recent departlied steve bannon was widely credited with crafting president trump's message and helping to guide him to political victory. joshua green'sing book called devil's bargain. >> trump and bano ban on ban o .

it was to push for a hard won nationalism, from orthodox movement conservatism. babannon's prings for how to do that is to tear down the global free trade system, to close the borders, to deport those who are here illegally and to create legal immigration as a way to privilege american citizens and reassert a cultural identity. >> rose: when does donald trump come into the picture? >> trump comes into banon's picture in 2010. that's when they met through a long time anticlinton activist

named david bosse who is very central to a lot of the bill clinton's scandals and investigations in the 1990s. babannonknew bosse are from the conservative fringe. >> rose: and what connection did they have? >> they immediately clicked because bannonlike trump is a deal-guy, he's also somebody who's worked in entertainment and cares about it and speaks the lingo. bannon is a guy full of political ideas. >> when manafort was out and angle to understand who was coming in, we were surprised by steve bannon. most were surprised he put him where he did, at the top of the campaign. but you were saying he was always there. >> he was always there in the background. he had always been an informal advisor. and there were several key

moments in the campaign before steve bannon came board when bannon played a pivot ol role on trump's behalf. the earliest one was i think whenever trump announced his candidacy, he came down the elevator in trump tower and he called the mexicans rapist? and jeb bush criticized hymn. the ordinary thing to do in a situation like that would be to apologize, to revise your remarks, to make some show of abasement and feel -- >> rose: doubled down -- >> not only did he double down, steve bannon organized trump's trip to the laredo border, he knew a bunch of border guards there. bannon organized for trump to come to laredo and say the same thing to mexico's face. not only was he saying that but doubling town, that's the sort

of mindset that bannon brought to trump's universe. >> rose: hour powerful is he in trump's universe? >> not as powerful as he was. he's a propagandist at heart. galvanizing a certain kind of dispossessed voter, who hasn't felt like they've had a place in american politics maybe over the last ten, 20 years. that's a real talent. and i think that helped get donald trump elected. but you need an entirely different set of skills when you wind up in the white house. and the problem that steve bannon had and the problem that donald trump had is both of them only have one speed. this kind of need to dominate their opponents, come in throwing hay makers and be as aggressive as you can. bannon told me a couple of weeks

before the transition, they were going to have a shock and awz strategy, to blow up the obama administration, to put a stamp on the white house the way you pit a stamp on the trump building, and the world doesn't work that way. federal courts knocking down travel ban and pretty quickly the trump administration kind of came off the rails. and there were a lot of people in the white house who were very unhappy and blamed steve bannon for that i think with some justification. ♪ ♪ >> rose: in the 1870s the osage tribe was driven off its land in and driven to oklahoma, sitting on the largest oil

deposit in the united states. they became the richest tribe in the united states. also targets for murder. the story is called killers of the flower moon, the osage murders and the birth of the fbi. >> i heard about the story from an historian, and i made a trip out to osage territory in northeast oklahoma when i first heard about it and i went to the osage museum. and on the wall was a large panoramic photographic taken in 1944. showed members of the tribe along with white settlers but a portion of the photograph was missing. i asked the museum director what had happened to the missing portion of the photograph. she said it contained a figure so frightening she decided to remove it. she said pointed to that panel and said the devil was standing right there. the book grew out of trying the understand who that figure was and the history he embodied and it led me to what i came to

realize was one of the most sinister crimes in history. >> rose: which was? >> the systematic targeting of the osage one by one for their oil money. >> rose: to take over becoming the largest per capita individuals in the world? there yeah, in 1870 annal osage chief stood up when they were being driven off their land and he said we should move to indian territory, which would become oklahoma, he said we should move there the land is rocky infertile, the white man considers it unfacialable and my people will be happy there. they purchased it, it was about the size of delaware. lo and behold, this territory was sitting on some of the largest deposits of oil. by the 20th century, the osage had become the wealthys in the world. >> rose: how many were there? >> about 2,000 on the osage roll. in 1920 those 2,000 osage

received more than $400 million. they lived in terra cotta mansions, they had servants who were white. large american stereotypes, each osage owned 11 of these cars. >> rose: and what happened? >> they became targeted. >> rose: who targeted them? >> the only way to get the money was through inheritance. it involved people marrying into families, white settlers marrying into families, pretending to love these people, sometimes even having children with them while systematically plotting to kill them. by 1923 there were officially more than two dozen osage murders. the official death toll, the official death toll is actually much higher. it was then the osage tribal council issued a resolution,

pleading for the united states to step in, the case was taken up by an obscure branch of the united states government, later to be named federal bureau ever investigation or the fbi. >> rose: what happened to the money? >> sadly millions and millions much dollars were swindled during these crimes, this criminal conspiracy. a lot of the oil was depleted. some of the osage receive oil money today but it's not millions that they once did. >> rose: neil de grass tyson is the director of the new york museum of natural history, hosts a popular radio and tv show star talk. making stars acceptable for rest of us.

astrophysics for people in a hurry. >> the laws of physics we establish in the laboratory, tirns outs they apply across the universe and across time. i celebrate that in a chapter called on earth as it is in the heavens. when you apply the laws of physics, to the universe, you are an astro70s. astrofist cyst. astrophysicist. >> when you asked what was around before the universe you would say this throbbing living multi-verse possibly spawning sg countless maybe infinite other

universes with slightly different resumes. our cosmic horizon. >> rose: what do we mean 50 big bang? >> the beginning of the university, the beginning of space time energy and everything we kale it a big bang. -- call it a big bang and it was named that pejoratively, by a critic 70, 80 years ago, and it stuck and you take ownership of it. especially since all the data shows that the universe began in this infinitesimally small spot. >> rose: how important it when you look at the support of science? how important is it to have a full understanding of what science does for us, and why it's so essential to support it? >> charlie, that's a greatly question. i will not require that a leader know or be fluent in science. i can't require that.

all i would want is that the leader knows when they don't know something and then brings in an expert to advise on it. and then knows how to trust the advice of an expert. those are the best leaders. the best leaders are the ones who don't claim any particular sprees but know how to listen and know how to choose advisors. in this the 21st century, innovations of the science and technology are the engines of society, providing our health our welt ou wealthy our securitg forward. as the scientific community marched on washington, you want to call us a special interest group, fine, it is your health your wealth and your security. the special interest that applies to us all. >> rose: after a long decline

independent bookstores are experiencing unlikely renaissance, despite rising rents and stiff competition from e-books, the number of independent bookstores in america has grown by more than 25% during the past decade. the best selling author emma straub is part of this group. she and her husband have owned. opened a bookstore in new york city. >> my husband is a graphic producer by trade. we had books are magic pens and books are magic mugs with our logo before we ordered a single book. we started from the outside in, i guess. i'm emma straub, author of modern lovers and other people we married and here we are in mi brand-new bookstore, books are magic. i have always gravitated towards bookstores making them a part of

my daily loop. which is why we were so heartbroken when our local bookstore closed. and immediately we knew like, that's it, here we are. from a tactile old fashioned sort of a dinosaur, i like the way books look, being the way they feel. i like to be able to look at my walls and see both the books that i have read, the books that i love, the books that i've bought that i haven't read yet. there are hundreds of books in my house that i haven't read yet. and if they existed in a cloud somewhere, i wouldn't think of them. and this way, i do. ♪ ♪ >> i am impressed and also

bewildered by people who publish their first novels when they're 24, and they have voices that seem sort of fully baked. i was not fully baked in my 20s at all. it took me a long time. it took me a lot of pages to figure out what i actually sounded like. in my authority story collection, there are some stories to me with my eye now, that i see and i think oh yeah, that was, i was starting to get it. things are starting to click. but then really, it was when i wrote the vacationers, that i thought oh, it's okay if i want my books to be funny. it's okay if i want to have these kinds of characters. you know, it's all right, for me to write about things that are sort of closer to my experience. jim had packed osuitcase the night before but now, moments before their scheduled departure, he was wavering. had he packed enough books? he walks back and forth in front of his bookcase in his office, sliding books out on their

spines in and out of of place. >> i have more books in me. who knows what they will be? i hope they will continue to get better, with practice that's how things work, right? >> here's what's new for your weekend. the oregon state fair runs through labor day in salem, oregon. former world champion boxer floyd mayweather fights ufc champion connor mcgregor in las vegas, saturday and the mtv music awards are sunday. here is the look at the week ahead. sunday is the opening of the 31st annual burning man fix in black rock city nevada. the start of the u.s. open championships in flushing meadows new york.

tuesday, the annual guinness world of records are published. venice film festival, the 20th anniversary of princess diana's death. county wide film festival, saturday is the national boat festival in washington, d.c. >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week," for this week. for all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose, we'll see you next time. for this and other episodes visit us at >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by:

>> rose: welcome to the program. it is the end of summer and as we prepared for the next season we bring you some of our favorite conversations here on charlie rose. tonight a conversation with mohammad javad zarif of foreign affairs. >> i believe everybody should come together and actually fighting these extremists idealogies and fighting them does not mean only military, this is much deeper. it should be a comprehensive strategy to deal with extremism and terrorism. extremism and terrorism emanate from lack of heart. in addition to an ideology based on hatred and exclusion.