>> rose: welcome to the program, we begin this evening with the terrible tragedy in las vegas and we begin with the cbs evening news coverage. >> good evening. we're on the 38th floor of the mandalay bay resort and casino overlooking the scene of the sunday night massacre. this is the view, stephen paddock had when he opened fire on more than 20,000 people at a country music concert. when it was over, 58 were dead, and more than 500 injured. from here you can see the festival grounds still littered with the debris and belongings of victims and those who fled the scene in panic. you can also look right into the sniper's nest where throughout the day, federal investigators could be seen taking measurements in the window from which the gunman opened firement

room 135 on the 32nd floor. the president flew by this building today as he came here to comfort victims and meet with first responders. and fbi agents interviewed paddock's girlfriend today as they search for a motive for the attack. john blackstone begins our coverage. >> this afternoon marilou danley was questioned at the fbi los angeles field office, she returned voluntarily last night after visiting her native philippines taken from the gate in los angeles in a wheelchair and met by federal agents. authorities say she is key in helping to piece together what motivated paddock. in an interview with australian tv danley's sisters whose identities were withheld said paddock himself had sent her out of the country before he carried out his massacre. >> because only marilou can maybe help. >> veggers are also going through paddock's two homes and crime scene evidence from the

hotel suite. they recovered a total of 47 fire arms overall. 24 of them from his hotel room, some seen here in these pictures, jill snyder told norah o'donnell that paddock had been stock piling weapons for years. >> how many fire arms purchased in the last year. >> he purchased 33 fire arms, majority of them rifles. >> that didn't set off a red flag anywhere in the aft. >> we want get notified of the purchases of the rifles, only if there was a multiple sale which would be two or more handguns in an individual purchase. >> get back. >> police bodycam footage from the moment during the attack show the firepower the officers faced. and how they tried to help civilians. >> get out of here there are gunshots coming from over there. >> the gunfire continued for more than nine minutes, swat police stormed paddock's suite on the mandalay bay's 32nd floor. >> breach, breach, breach. >> about an hour after the shooting. and found paddock dead of an

apparent gunshot wound. paddock was a regular at the gun shop near his home in mess keel-- mess queet-- mesquite, nevada w including a bolt action rifle three days before the shooting says the general manager. >> i was having a moment in myself thinking that i may have very well be the last person to shake hands with that man. >> marilou danly's attorney said late this afternoon she had no idea he was planning the rampage. the thousands of dollars he wired to her in the philippines, she said, was meant for her to buy a home there, danley thought paddock was planning on breaking up with her, anthony? >> john blackstone, thanks, justice and homeland security correspondent jeff pegues continues to work his law enforcement sources and has more now on the investigation. >> fbi agents could be seen today sifting through the hotel suite stephen paddock used to rain down bullets on the concert

crowd. >> go that way. get out of here there are gunshots coming from over there. >> law enforcement is still searching for a motive. fbi deputy director andrew mckaib spoke to cnbc. >> we don't have any immediately accessible thumb prints that would indicate the shooter's ideology or motivation or really what compelled him to get there. >> in the last 36 hours fbi labs began processing electronic devices like cell phones and computers recovered during searches of his property. >> i think it's the quieter and harder work that we have to do now in terms of identifying people who may have known him, who may have seen him, who crossed paths with him in the days and weeks leading up to the event and that is where we are focused right now. >> investigators are also focusing on paddock's mental health and whether something happened in october of 2016 that pushed him to stock pile most of the 47 guns and rifles in his arsenal. also of interest, whether paddock was considering targeting another large concert

that took place in las vegas a week before the country music festival. >> they're shooting right at us, everybody stay down. >> manny gomez is a former fbi agent. >> this person was looking for the best target opportunity, and it didn't matter what crowd was going to fire into. he was looking for the largest impact for this attack. >> reporter: investigators say paddock spent a lot of his time gambling in the days before the attack. and more than a dozen currency transaction reports filed with the u.s. treasury department back that up. anthony. >> jeff pegues, thanks, jeff. we are back now at street level. as you can see across from the festival grounds where the shoot og curred and police are just about to open up this street finally three days after the shooting. nearly 50 people are still in critical condition tonight. the president met today with some of the injured and the doctors and nurses who saved their lives, here's chief white

house correspondent major garrett. >> president trump landed in the shadow of the mandalay day pot el and drove near the scene of the massacre, in the center of a grieving city he came to console. >> it makes you very proud to be an american when you see the job that they have done. >> reporter: at university medical center the hospital that received 100 victims, the president thanked doctors and nurses. the president also toured the las vegas police command center and hailed the bravery of officers and civilians who faced the terror head on. >> in the depths of horror, we will always find hope, in the men and women who risk their lives for ours. >> on behalf of the nation, the president offered a promise. >> we know that your sor row feels endless. we stand together to help you carry your pain. you're not alone. we will never leave your side. >> reporter: and he reflected on how america endures.

>> in the darkest moments, what shines most brightly is the goodness that thrives in the hearts of our people. >> reporter: and of the shooter, the president said his wires were screwed up. >> he is a sick, demented man. >> reporter: the president left as he arrived, with the crime scene never far away. and we continue with major garrett of cbs news and cath tee kay of the-- katty kay of the bbc. >> why so many and why the preparations for three days, cameras inside and outside the room to warm him if somebody was approaching the room. this was clearly as the fbi will said a incredibly well thought out plan. but it is this question of motive that make this different from other mass shootings, that major covered, that i have covered, that you covered. and without that sense of mot tiff is very hard to piece together who this guy was and why he did it. >> rose: we conclude this evening with harrison ford, his new film is called blade runner 2049. >> don't lie.

it's rude. you're a cop. >> i'm not here to take you in. >> oh yeah. >> all we need to know is that-- that we're serving our customers. that we're telling stories that are important. that excite people's passion for commonality. you know, what i am looking for is an emotional investment that i can-- that the audience can see. and feel. feel their way through. >> rose: major garrett, katty kay and harrison ford when we continue. funding for charlie rose is provided by the following: bank of america, life better connected.

>> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. joining me now from las vegas is major garrett, cbs news chief white house correspondent. here in new york, katty kay, the anchor of bbc world news america. i'm pleased to have both of them. major, tell us about what we learned new today about this horrific tragedy. >> well, i can tell you, charlie, here in las vegas, this is a community still in a state of shock and deep trauma. the president's remarks were well crafted. they had all of the consoling words would you expect from a president in a moment of

national tragedy but can i tell you having talked to both police officers and residents of las vegas since have i been here for the better part of a day, this community can't even absorb those moments and those messages of consolation, so deep is the sense of shock and trauma, after sunld night's leading into mnday morning event. i met a couple who just walked by our workspace here. they were carrying a picture of a friend of theirs, a mother of three boys, shot and killed. they were so traumatized they couldn't even describe their sense of feeling about all of this. they just wanted to sort of come by and meet media members and say we're grieving, our whole city is grieving and we just want you to know. that sense is all around us here. charlie, i lived in las vegas from 1986 to 1988. i know a little bit about this community, i still have dear friends here. this is a town built on hospitaly, and entertainment and there is some sense in america that this isn't really a real place. that gamblers and high rollers

come here and entertainers come in and out of here and tourists come in and out of here but nobody actually lives here. 650,000 people live in las vegas, 6.4 million in greater-- this is a real community. this has come together in locked arms because it is traumatized as never before. the president's visit was a deeply appreciated but this city is going to go through many, many stages of grief and reconciliation before this tragedy has run anywhere near its course. >> rose: have we learned anything from the killer, the gunmen, the girlfriend or the companion that's come back from the philippines? have we learned what she is telling people who have talked to her? >> no, those interviews have just begun. the fbi headquarters in los angeles. there is a sense that she was unaware and not necessarily a participant. that's the general sensement but the fbi is going to probe all of

those questions about her knowledge, for knowledge. any sense she might have had about either the inkling that this shooter had to carry out this crime. or any knowledge that she might have to shed light on a motive. motive still remains the greatest mystery here, charlie. and also the conduct of the kation ino itself. this man was known as a frequent gambler. some have described him as a high roller. he brought in lots of luggage. serially, bit by bit. is that normal procedure? should those things have been screut niezed nor carefully, were they not because he was a well-known, frequenter of the mandalay bay. was it because he was a high roller and got some kind of special treatment. all of these kinds of questions have yet to either be asked for fully answered. and they're part of the comprehensive investigation. not just by the fbi but by las vegas police and those who are trying to get closer to the bottom of some of these

unresolved questions. >> rose: do we know from where you sit any more about this man? we know for example, that his preemtion was deep and well considered. as major mentioned, he brought the guns in over a series of suitcases, to bring them in. we know that he planned this carefully. we know that he probably expected to die. we have been heard that some people suspect that he sent the girlfriend back to the philippines because he didn't want her to be here. what else have we learned. >> i mean isn't this one of the strangest things about this particular awful incident is that now we are three days after it, and we don't have a sense of a motive. we've all covered, you have covered them, too many of these terrible events. and usually by now we do have a clearer picture of somebody who was troubled, for one reason or another or had a motive for one reason or another. that motive may never be something you or i could understand, but you can kind of start to piece together the elements of it. there are things about paddock.

there have been reports that he had a father who was abusive. that his father had been arrested for bank robberies at some point. that he had been a big gambler, that he sent all of this money to the philippines, that he sent his companion away. would any of those, if somebody said them to you about somebody you met in passing would you then say yes, this would lead to me thinking this person would commit a mass shooting. i don't think we have had one thing yet that say that is the red flag people should have noticed or could have noticed. there just isn't yet. >> rose: the terrible, everything about this is terrible. how, what is he thinking when he is just shooting down people that he doesn't know. he's taking lives, innocent lives of people with no real grieveance against them at all. we've soon instances in which somebody thought they had been unfairly discriminated against for some reason or another and take it out on their boss. here, these were people this man apparently didn't know. they were at a concert that had nothing to do with him. >> and they are at some distance

from him. so he's not actually seeing them eye-to-eye, how can you have the anger when you are sniping at somebody from some distance like that. >> rose: and why so many. >> why so many and why these preparations that went on for three days, the cameras inside and outside the room to warn him if somebody was approaching the room. this was clearly as the fbi had said an incredibly well thought out plan. but it's this question of motives that makes this different from other mass shootings that may just cover, that i have covered, that you covered. and without that sense of motive it is very hard to piece together who this guy was and why he did it. >> rose: but major, once are you in las vegas, we hear these remarkable stories 6 first responders. we have remarkable stories of people who were prepared to risk their lives to save their friends, their relatives, their wife or husband. heroic stories of people who put themselves in the line of fire trying to protect someone, some loved one. >> charlie, i will tell you, as

unimaginable as these numbers are, 58 innocent murdered, the gunman himself the 59 fatality, more than 500 swrurred, those numbers are almost incomprehensive able. and as bad as those numbers are, it is so clear when you talk to the police here, when you talk to those who are around that situation sunday night, that it could have been so much worse. if that is even imaginable. i will tell you, for me it is not imaginable. i can't imagine worse than 58 dead and more than 500 injured but that was a general bin possibility. i talked to a las vegas police department sergeant who was getting ready to go to bed sunday night when he got a call that this was going on. he called his other six compat yots in the crimestoppers division of the las vegas police department said come down to the police station immediately. they all did. they got their weapons. they got their bulletproof vests and they got to the scene as rapidly as they could. all of them knowing that this was a live fire sniper situation, and they rushed from home to the scene as rapidly as

they could and as protected as they could. by the time they got here the shooting had stopped so they immediately began to secure the area and then began to transport of those who had been wounded. civilians did the same thing. everyone rushed to the scene. everyone rushed to the face of this horror. in this community. to try to make it stop first and then deal with those many, many victims. and it's that that stands in such stark and arresting contrast to whatever the motive was. and you talk to profilers and the pbi and local police departments, there is a sort of false comfort that comes with this idea of well, here was the mossive for mass murder. let's be honest, there is no legitimate motive for mass murder. whatever the underlying cause is, there is no true motive. there is something that explains it, you can say well those things, you can piece together, they became a sort of perverted rational but they know that what happened here was worse than anything we've ever seen in our

country. and lots of people, uniforms, nonyiemples, experienced, nonexperienced, civilian alike, rushed to the scene and made it slightly better. >> i guess charlie the only reason that we think about this issue of motive and of trying to get into the idea of mossive is could that be part of what helps us prevent future attacks, right. you are right, somebody that does this, the simple answer is they're crazy. that you and i wouldn't do t other people we know with grieveances wouldn't do t other people with gambling habits don't do this either. you have to be crazy to shoot this many people you don't know. but are there things that we could look for in society to think this is a red flag about that person. and we should be concerned about that person. you can see that red flag in other mass shootings. you can't really see it in this event. it makes the idea of preventing this, let alone the security issue, he is up in a building, in a hotel. we don't want to live in a world where you monitor every suitcase that goes into the hotel that is not a freedom we're prepared to give up. so you try and think how do we

prevent this in the future. that is the issue of were there red flags we can spot in future incidents, that is where it comes in. >> not only the motive, what drove this person to do it, but how long ago did it begin to develop in his own mind. let me turn a little bit to politics. the president was there yesterday. he was in puerto rico with some criticism there. has he responded to that criticism? >> not really. and the president's action seeming to be a little cavalier while he was tossing paper towels to people in dire need of not just paper towels, food, water, medicine, working, electricity, wockable roads, some basic fundamentals of life in puerto rico, not anywhere near being returned. the president grading himself very favorfully as he tends to do in almost all matters. but specifically after hurricane harvey and irma, grading himself and the federal emergency management officials highly for the puerto rico response.

those on the ground are very sceptical and in some cases critical. whatter choice do they have but to accept what the president brought and hope there is more en route. puerto rico will be a test, a long-running test not just for this president in terms of rebuilding that commonwealth, but also find the mechanism to pay for the rebuilding of that commonwealth, and the president made a rather significant blunder yesterday. charlie, separate from his demeanor, suggesting in an interview that the united states might wipe out the billions, the tens of billions of dollars of debt racked up by puerto rico. that required the director of office and budget nik mulvaney to rush out and say no, there will be no bailout for puerto rico. that influenced financial markets t made people very curious about what the president meant. and if puerto rico was going to get bailed out, creating a whole policy set of confusion when the last thing that island needs is confusion. what it needs is compassion and a workable federal management system to help that place

rebuild. on that score the president legitimately took some criticism. and it probably isn't over. >> rose: major, thank you for joining us, i know you have to do the evening news but thank you so much, pleasure to have you on this broadcast, thank you. >> of course, charlie. >> rose: major garrett in las vegas. there is also this issue of gun control. we have seen tragedy lead to calls for more gun control. clearly that will happen here. because this is the most, the worst mass killing ever. will we have the same response? or is there some reason to believe that this may be different. >> very little. i covered newtown, i was up there for four days after the 20 children, six year 08ds were killed in that school and there was a huge outpouring of grief in the country around that, dismay in the country. because it was children. that didn't lead to changes in gun control. here is the disconnect. as we know all of the polls show us the majority of americans do drk dsh majority of nra members after newtown supported expanded background checks. but president said it again, we're not going to talk about

that now. raise the issue of gun control, this is something incredibly hard for people watching this event from around the world to fathom, even if you raise the issue of gun control after a mass shooting like this, are you seen as polit sizing the situation. rather than being seen as trying to think how can we actually as a society deal with this and prevent this from happening again it is immediately, and the president talked about this today. the president's response to vegas has been pretext book presidential response, praised the first responders, he has been empathetic, he called for unity. today he said look we're not going to talk about that now. what else is the time. one thing in america it is not the time after a mass shooting, it not the thyme between the mass shooting. this is a very difficult issue for the country to address and becoming more so, not less so. if gun control didn't happen after newtown it will not happen after vegas. >> rose: thank you for coming here. >> thank you. >> rose: katty kay from the bbc. we continue now after this break. stay with us.

if. >> rose: harrison ford is here, his films have grossed, get this, $8.6 billion globally. despite massive success many still view him as a re-- reluctant star and celeb result, gq writes about him, since the dawn of hollywood, no movie star has seemed to need stardom or movies less than harrison ford. so we invite to you take a look back at some of his work. >> get him on his horse. he's going to be mean when he wakes up, buck. >> y'all elected me captain. didn't much want the job. >> i'm sorry if i scared you. >> got to do more than that to scare me. >> looking all over for you. >> i can't keep track of all you folks running around here backyards. >> you're supposed to be the best thing in the valley but that can't be your car t must be your mama's car. >> 10,000, all in advance.

>> 10,000? we can almost buy our ownership for that. >> but who's going to fly it, kid. >> you bet i could, i'm not such a bad pilot myself, we don't have to sit here and listen. >> we can pay you $2,000 now plus 15 when we reach alderan. >> 17, how? okay, you guys got yourself a ship. >> your mission is to proceed up the river in a navy patrol boat. pick up colonel chris', follow it, learn what you can along the way. when you find the colonel infiltrate his team by-- whatever means available. and terminate the colonel's command.

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>> he say you blade runner. >> look around you, how did america get this way? land of promise, land of opportunity. give us the riched refuse of your teaming shores. have a coke. watch tv. have a nice day. >> go on welfare. tbet free money. turn to crime. crime pays in this country. >> why do they put up with it? why do they keep coming? >> look around you, charlie. this place is a toilet. >> i didn't know they let bad girls into these things. >> do i look like i come from around here. >> no, no, no, i'm sure you are a real ace, whatever it is that you do do. >> damn straight. >> but how you look. >> i have a head for business and a bod for sin.

is there anything wrong with that? >> no, no. >> cook county hospital. you just hang on, okay? you're going to be okay. you will be just fine. hold that elevator, watch out. thank you. how are you doing, kiddo? >> where is your mom? >> i don't know. >> is she home? >> your brother? are they downstairs? >> i don't know. >> don't you worry. we'll get ahold of her for you. what are you, a football player, baseball player. >> football. >> come on, son. >> who authorized this? i have no recollection, senator.

>> i did not sign up for this. get off my plane. >> are you angry with me? >> what? maybe you resent how busy i've been. >> no. >> you know what i've got at stake with this paper. you know how important this is to me. >> yes. >> i can't help but feel that show you're trying to sabotage me, you're trying to hurt me. >> something is happening to me. and it's not to get even and it's not some warped bid for attention. something is happening in our house. >> you think god likes baseball, herb. >> what the hell is that

supposed to me. >> it means some day you're going to meet god and when he inquires as why you didn't take the field against robinson in philadelphia and you answer that it's because he was a negrot may not be a sufficient reply. >> rose: in the past decade ford has repliesed some of his most iconic characters, think about indiana joans, hans solo and now rick deck ard, blade runner 2049 is the highly accepted sequel to ridley scott's 1982 film blade runner. and here is the trailer for that film. >> i thought you might be able to help me with the case. >> any idea where i could find it? >> you police plan on taking me in? >> i would much prefer that to the alternative.

>> every civilization was built off the back of slaves. >>-- the future but can i only thank so many. >> i had the luck and the lock and he has the key. >> i think i found it. >> that's not possible. if this gets out, we have bought ourselves a war you're a cop. >> what do you want? i want to ask you some questions. what happened? >> i covered my tracks. scrambled the records. >> we were being hunted. by who?

>> they know you're here. you do not know what pain is yet. a you will learn. >> bring him to me. >> this breaks the world. we have to go. >> i'm coming with you. >> where is he? >> the future of the species is finally-- . >> rose: i am very pleased to have harrison ford back at this table, same table, sir. >> yeah. great to be back, thank you very

much. >> rose: good to see you. you are aging well. >> thank you. >> rose: feel good. >> i feel great, thank you very much. i've got work to do and i'm happy about that. >> rose: do you choose these roles because people just simply want to see these characters back. >> no, i choose them because there is a good script and that's my job. and i have got some engaging work, interesting people to work with. and it keeps the juices flowing. >> rose: do you like acting? >> yeah. i like being-- . >> rose: the craft of it. >> i like the-- it is not-- whatever-- yeah, it's a craft, it's a craft skill. and it is practiced in collaboration. and a large part of the job is problem solving. so you never know what you are going to get when you go to work. and you got to work it out. and it's-- there's pressure of time and circumstances.

and so it is exciting. >> rose: what kind of problems do you solve as an actor? >> how to get the camera motivated from one side of the room to the other. how to move, you know, how to match the capacity of the dolly grip to push a heavy piece of equipment, you know, i'm working with the dolly grip as much as with the director. all kinds of practical problems. but also the problems of storytelling. how much, it's like being, cooking a meal. does it need a little pinch of that, is there too much of that. should we adjust the recipe before we shove it in front of people. or are we just going to-- . >> rose: what if it is a character you already know, like for example. >> well, hopefully you don't him in these new circumstances. and the poirchtd the script is to put him in new circumstances, advance the audiences understanding of the character. bring him into another place. you can't do the same thing over and over again. you have got to have something

new. >> rose: you have loved acting and never had a huge passion or desire to direct. >> because i love acting, not directing. >> rose: right, right. >> yeah. >> rose: i know people that love both. and do you too. >> and more power to them. >> rose: like clint. >> yes, yes, but they are clint and they are warren batey. i'm just-- harrison ford. i got-- . >> rose: 8.9 billion harrison ford. >> well, let's talk about somebody else. no, it's not my fault. it is not the money i have made. it's the money the films that i have been lucky enough to be part of have made. >> rose: but people consider you an integral part of the success. >> i'm happy to be part the success. but it if it hadn't been me, it could easily have been samuel jackson or somebody else. >> rose: we'll never know. >> it doesn't-- we don't need to know. all we need to know is

that-- that we're serving our customers. that we're telling stories that are important, that excite people's passion for commonnallity, you know, what i am looking for is an emotional investment that i can-- that the audience can see and feel, feel their way through. i love, what i love about-- let's see, about going to the movies is you go in a dark room with a bunch of strangers. and the lights go down. and you see something, you all see the same thing. >> rose: sea see and hear. >> and hear and feel. and show it enforces your common humanity. and a lot of what blade runner is about is what does it mean to be human.

what does it mean to be more human than human. what does it mean to be human if you don't know where you came from. how can you figure out where you are going. >> rose: so how do you see rick? >> rick deckert is-- . >> rose: human. >> oh, charlie, don't go there, man. >> rose: no? >> no, will you have-- will you have ridley banging down the door. >> rose: he doesn't want that? >> what he doesn't-- it doesn't-- i think that the genius of the question of whether deckert is a rep i will kant or a human is one of the delicious aftertastes of the first film and it may be present in the rest of the second. >> rose: if you insist that he

is not-- or you insist that you are not going to disclose either because it's up to everybody whe audience might require somebody on screen that they could depend on to be human so they-- so that they would have an emotional representative in the story. and ridley said yeah, but, with if they're wrong. isn't that interesting. i said yeah, that is interesting. >> rose: but you had to approach it in terms of your own mind in et going inside of rick that in fact he was human so that the audience would have somebody to hold on to human. >> but the truth is it didn't matter whether i thought i was

human and wasn't or whether i thought i was human and was. >> rose: because. >> well, just because. >> rose: just because. >> just because i was chattle. if i was a replecant that means that i didn't have ownership of my memories or my fate. or my utility 6789. >> rose: do you have any time for people who say why are we bringing back indiana jones and rick deckert and hans solo when there are so many new stories to tell, new characters to create is it simply because it's business, you know, and these are established characters and established hits and they were well written once and they can be well written again. >> yes, and no. >> rose: what is the no. >> the no is that some of the-- i mean it's like saying

maybe has the bible, the koran outlived their usefulness. >> rose: no. >> no, but it's a story. it's another, it's another great story. z so and we require tribally we require stories that have a ring of truth which may have gone out of fashion in life. >> rose: you mean the side of truth in 2017. >> or outside of science 6789 we can deny it. i mean how are we going to get back from that? but we have to. >> rose: you have to believe in science because you're a pilot. >> well, i have to believe in gps. i have to leave-- i do believe in science. >> rose: it is sensible in physics. >> exactly, exactly. and it's-- it's not self-apparent but think of where we would be without the

the-- without lift on the wings of airplanes. we would be back, it's globalized, it's changed the world, globalized is maybe a word that has gone out of fashion or trying to rest it from the dictionary. >> rose: or make it as a source of all our problems. >> yeah, that is a deniable of economics. we're going to deny science why done we just-- . >> rose: we live in a global world and. >> where have you got to go. >> rose: you buy a product that didn't fes lecome from the united states t may have come from south korea or it may have come from. >> but we can do something that they're not doing right now, if we get to work to try and solve the problems of advancing the utility of alternative energy f

we can fix our bridges, clean up our parks, put some money into our schools and our communities. >> rose: all the things that helped us build our future, education. >> yes, sir. >> rose: innovative solutions to problems like where do we get powerful. >> yeah. >> rose: that kind of thing. it's interesting too that flying has been such a passion of yours. >> i flew when i was in college about three times, 11 bucks an hour for an airplane and instructor and i ran out of money. i couldn't afford it. i had always been curious about it and i got to be 52 years old and i hadn't-- i felt i was still learning my base craft and practices it and enjoying it. but i wanted to learn something else. and i didn't know whether-- i wasn't totally sure that i would

or could. >> rose: it was a challenge you wanted to find out whether you could do it? >> yeah. >> rose: you knew you could do it but whether you could do it --. >> whether i could do it well, to keep it as a passion. >> rose: when you go down for whatever reason and you have gone down. >> i when down once. >> rose: once, once is enough sometimes. >> once can be enough, yeah. >> rose: can scare the bejeebers out of you. >> i didn't crash, the airplane did. >> rose: wasn't pilot error. >> no sir, the engine quit at 600 feet in the air. >> rose: did that scare the bejessus out of you. >> funny enough it didn't. because i had been thinking about it all the time,. >> rose: about what you would do if the engine stopped. >> that is the job, that is part of the job. and aviation mentors were whispering in my ear. and i knew that there was not time to-- i just had to-- there

is a guy named did tr doesn't matter the guy but i wanted to give credit where credit is due, bob hoover was a great world war ii test pilot and ace. he flew the speed trials on breaking the sounds barrier. >> rose: right, along with chuck what is his yaim. >> yeager, chuck what's his name, yeager. >> rose: exactly. >> he always said fly the airplane as far into the crash as possible. >> rose: fly it as far into the crash. >> yeah, yeah. >> rose: don't stop. >> yeah, are you still the pilot. and happily i found a place where doctors were congregating, a golf course. >> rose: they knew were you coming down? >> they looked up and there was an airplane approaching in an unusual way. >> rose: without an engine

that worked. >> yeah, without an engine and they pulled me out on the ground. thank god there were some doctors right there. >> rose: anything exhilarating as churchill once said about being shot at and this is one of the great exhilarations s it exil rating to northbound a plane that could crash and you kept it for. >> no, it was a horrible experience for everybody except me. were you calm? >> no, i was in a medically induced coma for a period of time in order to revive you. >> no, well, to give me the chance to-- . >> rose: survive. >> okay, survive. but i think what that meant to my wife and my children-- . >> rose: it's more serious than i imagined it was. i kind of thought you land the the plane and got out and everything was cool. >> you could say that. >> rose: what is the passion

about for you? is it freedom? >> it's freedom and responsibility. >> rose: both. >> it is a subtle blend of both. you earn the freedom through through the responsibility of preparing yourself to do that. and and it's one of those-- it's like it's like, a movie you have one shot at it, right. you are there on the day and hopefully we don't go back and do this again. because the schedule and money is not arranged that way but it is sort of like being in a play. and every flight or every performance of the same play you have the opportunity to tweak it just a little bit and make it just a little bit better. make it go a little smoother, refine the operation of the event and that's kind of what is

lying, plus a lot of other things. >> rose: acting has given you it seems to me because of the success of the films, to have the kind of life you like. >> it gave me the opportunity-- . >> rose: to travel to place. >> yeah. >> rose: pursue your passions. >> i could have done that in a vert of different ways or i would have tried to do that. but ba it gave me was the freedom, it gave me the freedom to, the success of those films gave me the opportunity to do a variety of things that didn't have the same potential as those great blockbuster successes. films that i had a passion for. people i wanted to work with who want making that kind of movie. >> rose: what is the best exale-- example of that. >> 42, you played branch rick yea. >> rose: i did. >> jack jee rock inson story.

>> rose: yeah. e of the most important stories in american history. the beginning of the change. >> rose: he was its general manager who gave him a job. >> the general manager of the dodger was brought the first black baseball player into white baseball. what had-- what had to be described as white baseball. because there was black baseball as well. and it was successful. but it changed, it was one of the precursors of the change in the civil rights movement, race relations, in this country. >> rose: back to the film we see rick now after so many years after we have seen him before. >> 45 years. >> rose: he has been in isolation just hiding. >> maybe, maybe not. he's been waiting. i don't think-- all i am willing to talk about is what is in the trailer. i want to preserve as much of the story as possible for the

audience. i want them to experience the film, not hear about it. >> rose: so you can say what the movie makers want you to see in the trailer and that ought to bring knew the theater. >> if it does, goods, or if you have to wait for people to tell you how good it is, that will work too, if they tell you how bad it is, it is not going to work for me. but the movie is really, really something. >> rose: do you go out in los angeles to a theat tore see a film or does celebrity prevent you from doing it or simply. >> nothing prevents me, celebrity doesn't keep me from doing anything. because some, you know, one day you wake up and it's there, and the next day somebody else, it's somebody else's turn. and it doesn't make a rat's ass bit of difference. you can't let it, you know. >> rose: you just live it. >> you still have to do your chores, do what you need, and you can't hide in your house.

>> rose: tandz is not wise to do it, it say boring life. this is a piece here, a long solo flight of harrison ford. >> there is the first mistake. i don't work alone. >> rose: exactly it is a collaborative medium. >> it is a nice reference to hans solo but i haven't done anything alone. >> rose: but do you say in this magazine article to this reporter. >> i have been accused usually by women in my life of being unreflective. you're not reflective, they say. >> and they, and they got a point. and they should know. but it's because i have such an investment in the present. you know, that's my-- that's all i got to say, in my defense. >> rose: you live in the moment.

>> i'm trying to. i'm trying to live in the moment. so i can be prepared for the future is. >> rose: the past done. >> what request i do. i'm sorry. very simply, i'm sorry for my failures of the past. but i'm trying to be present. >> rose: you don't look back and see may failures anyway if you were so inclined, do you? >> there's a long trail of tears, you know. but you know,. >> rose: mainly personal stuff though isn't it, rather than professional stuff? >> i have been in, i've done 40 movies, or so, and not all of them have been to the people who put up the money, successful, you know. it is not-- but that's not the point of it i mean i have

not-- i have lived i've lived the ass off my life. >> rose: that's the way to do it, as you know. >> yeah. >> rose: take a look, a clip from blade runner 2049 in which ryan gosling who plays kay is meeting deckert in the first time. this may have been in the trailer but so be it. here it is. >> what are you doing here? >> i heard the piano. >> don't lie. >> it's rude. are you a cop. >> i'm not here to take you in. >> oh yeah? i just have some questions. >> you like deckert? >> do you have to like him?

>> no, i think you know, that is something that is between deckert and deckert. it's not about me. i mean it is about me. i got to pull something out of it for myself, storytelling wise but what serves the telling of the story. i have never in my life uttered the phrase my character wouldn't do that. because my character is there to help serve the story. i want that alliance between story and character that gives stroang both of us. >> rose: so you wouldn't tell a director my character wouldn't do that. >> no, i would tell them that was a crumby line. i would tell them it would be better another way, maybe-- . >> rose: could we, would we try, but i might fall back on it but i worked with people that haven't required me to do that.

>> rose: did you hate to see hans solo die? >> no, hi been arguing for his demise for a long time. this is what ennobled him. it was the last thing for him to do, was to die, to give, to give the musk a little bottom. you know he's got no mama, he's got no papa. you know, he's not a convert, but there is progress in his belief, in him obtaining a bit of belief in the motivating force behind the other characters. but so i thought his, the last utility would be to sacrifice himself for the goods of the-- of the of the story of the other characters.

even though i will get killed for saying this, even though-- woon you like to see george lucas make another one? >> no, because george lucas doesn't want to make another one. >> rose: i don't care, i would like for george lucas to want to make another one. >> i would. >> i would like george-- . >> rose: at whatever point, he could go back, he could be a prequell or a sequel, i would like to. >> is he happy doing what he is doing which is up to him to describe. he's gone home. >> rose: nothing wrong with going home. >> nothing wrong with that. >> rose: you know, i haven't seen you in a long time. >> that's right. >> rose: it's great to see you, it really. is you see somebody who you remember so greatly and fondly, and then all of a sudden they are at the table again. and it makes my heart sing. thank you. >> nice talk. >> rose: good to see you. harrison ford. thank you for joining us.

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