>> welcome to "charlie rose: the week." charlie is away. i'm allison stuart. just ahead, dramatic details in the russia investigation indictments. congress goes after the social media companies, fake news, and russian propaganda aimed at the 2016 election. and director tyco waitiki, brings "thor" to theaters nationwide. >> i'm the goddess of death. >> what were you the god of again. >> we'll have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following:

>> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> i want a restaurant just like that. >> we begin with a look at the news of the week. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. >> a deadly terror attack strikes new york city. >> at the annual halloween parade, new yorkers came out in force. >> i refuse to live in fear, absolutely not. >> in colorado, a deadly shooting at a walmart 10 miles north of denver. >> republicans are vowing to keep this morning's deadline to release their tax reform plan.

>> the c.i.a. released a collection of videos and other materials recovered during a raid to capture osama bin laden. kevin spacey apologized following allegations he made sexual advances on a 14-year-old boy. >> big tech taking a stand on capitol hill and russia's meddling in the election. >> rose: new revelation in addition the russia investigation. >> we've been saying from day one there's been no evidence of trump-russia collusion, and nothing in the indictment today changes that at all. >> president trump is striking out at the former campaign adviser who pled guilty about his efforts to contact russian interests. >> paul manafort has been indicted. now there's talk that manafort really didn't get it. when the f.b.i. showed up at his door he handed out candy and was like, "who are you supposed to be?" ♪ i want candy >> kids had a chance to trick or treat at the white house ♪ i'm a big boy now >> they call it "fun size." but look at this: when you're my size, this isn't fun.

>> this series too good to end in six. that could do it. the houston astros are world champions! >> we begin tonight with politics. the special counsel's investigation of russia's role in the last u.s. presidential election inched closer tots former trump campaign. money laundering and conspiracy indictments were handed down for former trump campaign chairman paul manafort and richard gates. both plet not guilty. but the bigger news may be a former campaign adviser, george papadopoulos, pled guilty to lying to the foish about his efforts to establish a relationship with the russians. with me is nick confessore. he's a political investigative reporter for the "new york times." welcome, nick.

>> good to be here. >> let's do the timeline for people. manafort joins the campaign to help wrangle delegates at one point. that's in march. in june he takes over as campaign chairman. by august he's out. >> correct. >> all this has to do with the campaign but his indictment has to do with his work in the ukraine. why is that relevant? >> what's important here is years and year before he joined the trump campaign, paul manafort was working abroad at the intersection of business and politics. he would export american-style campaign consulting to places like the ukraine, and then do business with oligarchs in the ukraine and in russia. he had these business ties, and where it connects as he was coming on to the trump campaign, he was still in contact with some of those oligarchs and some of his russian contacts. and it appears he owed a lot of debt or had financial relationships outstanding with some of these people in eastern europe and in russia. and that is the crux of why there might be more here for the

counsel. but the reason he's in trouble right now is because as he was working for the ukraine, he was lying about working for the ukraine. under u.s. law, if you're work for a foreign power, you have to register in washington and provide detailed disclosures. he did not do that. he claimed he was working for some center in london, and it turns out, in fact, he was running the whole lobbying campaign for ukrainian political party. >> this indictment was crby detailed. we found out about bank accounts. we found out he spent $850,000 on clothing in four years. that kind of detail, who is is that giving pause to in the administration right now? >> that's a great question. look. i think if you are on the inside in the white house right now, this is a terrifying time. bob mueller has access to tax returns bank accounts from cyrus that paul manafort had access to. if as we know the trump family

has business connections in russia which was trying to do deals with them, with selling apartments to wealthy russians and if people like michael cohen were doing a lot of business with people with money in eastern you're of europe, it's easy to understand mueller will have access to all of that money flow. he probably will be able to see it and track and it. and if there's anything that suggests a running financial relationship between trump and his world and some of these interests, it's going to show up. >> how wide a berth does miller have? >> technically, it's not that wide. but he is allowed to investigate crimes he discovers in the course of investigation. soy he was not appointed to inquire whether paul manafort was working for the ukraine and hadn't registered. but he did find that out about # and now there is a prosecution and a file set for next year.

>> some of the social media ads bought and paid for by russia during the last election were on dispay on capitol hill this week and they were shocking. representativees of tech giants facebook, twitter, and google, all testified before house and senate committees about russia's attempt to influence the 2016 campaign and what should be done to prevent it from happening again. alexandra suich bass joins me now from san francisco, where she covers the tech industry for "the economist." alexandra, what were the main questions the senators wanted answered during this testimony? >> the senators are really interested in the extent of the russian campaign. and they're trying to get their heads around it. initially the tech giants were really evasive and underplayed the threats russians had manipulated americans in the lead-up to the 2016 election.

they found there were fake accounts bought and ads directed at americans that were seen before which might have influenced their vote and they were pressing the tech giants for details and how widespread the information went. and what the tech giants were going to do to make sure nothing like this happens again, particularly in the 2018 election. >> do the tech giants offer details. >> the tech giants showed us some of the ads and bank accounts for the first times. there were fascinating ones, for example, hillary clinton dressed up as the and said if you want jesus to win, like this ad. if you liked it or were engaged

with the ad. huge percentage of americans were exposed to this content on facebook and instagram. we were able to hear the except of the russian messaging and be some of the specific messages which i think were surprising in their directness. >> it's sort of interesting in washington, the hearing, the tech giants and the senators seem to be talking past one another because the tech information kept saying, "but we're a platform." it's sort of the "i don't recall" of the tech industry. explain why they want to stay with that "we're just a platform" saying. >> right. it's kind of similar to the n.r.a. that says, "guns don't kill people. other people kill people. they basically don't want to have any responsibility for what's-- for how their tools are being used, the internet giants in this case. they are very wary, and something that the senators didn't get at is to ask for a

complete audit of all ads. facebook and twitter and google offer really sophisticated tracking tools when it comes to marketers anmarketers and advero companies like coca-cola or unilever, for example. but in this case they're deflecting their ability and downplaying their ability to really do a full audit. >> let's look at the optics of what we saw. we did not see familiar faces sitting behind that table. in fact, one editor at the "columbia journalism review" tweeted, "tech c.e.o.s will show up for tech magazine covers, davos, burning man, "game of throne" viewing paertses, just not senate hearings. we did not see zuckerberg or jack dorse. what was that about? >> well, it was actually even more pointed. so not only did they not show up, but mark zuckerberg was at facebook's headquarters in silicon valley on an earnings call announcing profits and

revenue and seeing facebook share price surge. so it was a day of dissident reality, if you will. i think if you're looking at the tech giants' interest, which is to not submit your c.e.o. to very hostile questions and give journalists the ability to talk about mark zuckerberg's or jack dorsey's humbling in front of the senators, they made the right choice in sending their general counsels there. but i continue disappointed the senators. and i wouldn't say that it's out of the question that there will be another hearing where the bosses, the tech bosses might be forced to show if we get more investigations and disclosures into the extent of the interference. we might have a second act.

>> the 2016 campaign isn't the first time america has been captivated by "fake news." writer curt anderson is the host of the peabody award-winning radio program "studio 360." his latest book is called "fantasy land:how america went haywire, a 500-year history." we began, importantly, as a protestant country-- that is to say, the english people came here and made america what it is known today. they other than were the most fervent, fanatical faction of a fervent fanatical faction of the fervent fanatical faction of puritans. that was the first bit of d.n.a. that went through a lot of twists and turns over the last several hundred years to get to where we are today. >> rose: before we're there, we get to the 60s. >> we do get to the 60, yeah. we do get to the 60s. we also had various new religions that grew up here as nowhere else. we had show business that grew up here as it did nowhere else,

and blurred the various distinctions between real and the fictional. >> rose: you call it "the fantasy industrial complex." >> which was not just p.t. barnum claiming he had mermaids on display and george washington's 161-year-old nanny on display, and all these untrue things that people ate up because they were excitingly untrue. so that was part of it. but religion, too, from the very get-go in america, as nowhere else, of often, at its most successful, a kind of show business. evangelists back in the 1700s, and 1800s, way before we had teleevangelicals, were doing performances, rather than simply reading serm pons and that is the fantasy industrial complex that absorbs everything-- absorbed politics as well as real estate. >> rose: and american exceptionalism played a role. >> american exceptionalism is a real thing. america was the first country

created from scratch, authored like a novel or a play is authored by these people all along, for better or for worse, who believed themselves to be heros in this great. and this big land where individualism in its most extreme form ever was part-- was what we were and what we pursued. and all of that worked great, in my view, and as i write, for all of the extent ricks and the extremes. it worked because, censusly, the gron-ups were in charge, because we had a set of establishments -- political establishments, a bunch of religious establishments, media establishments-- that kept, you know, kept a lid on the craziness. >> rose: and after the war, world war ii, we were the dominant everything in the world. >> exactly. >> rose: the most powerful economy. the most penetrating culture. >> right.

and then we got to the 60s, not-- in part because of this great prosperity, it allowed everybody to, like, wow, let's carry this to the max. let's take our liberty and everybody's entitled to their own version of reality, to the max. iron maiden for more than 40 years bruce dickinson has been its lead singer. he is out with a memoir of sorts "what's this button do?" >> i don't do things i'm not passionate about. obviously, passion sometimes varies. you think, i really don't want to get out of bed this morning," but that's just being a normal human being. what does this book do? my father always told me, have a go at everything when you're a

kid. you never know what is going to stick. and then the other thing they got from him was finish what you start. so when i've started on things that i feel really passionate about-- like flying little airplanes-- i never had any idea. it wasn't an end game, that i was going to be the captain of a 747. if you had asked me, i would have gone, "no, that's never going to happen." and the same thing when i started singing. i had no end game that i was going to be in, you know, one of the biggest rock 'n' roll bands in the world 859. that's like, what, are you kidding me? that's not credible. but just one thing happens after another, anduddenly, you end up on life's biggest roller coaster. >> rose: what's your definition of "heavy metal in? >> i haven't got one. i've given up. there's no point in even trying to define it. >> rose: yeah. >> metal came out of something that was called "heavy rock." heavy rock was simply an

offshoot of blues rock, you know, led zeppelin and deep purple and things like that and free and all those bands. they weren't heavy metal, but they kind of came into heavy metal orbit. and then the whole world of music became polarized. it became very nearby. but w-- niesh.we managed to thre that system. people called us heavy moatal and we say we are. >> rose: how have you been able to survive and prevail? >> we do what we say. we do it with integrity. we do a lot of touring and we-- i hope-- do really good shows. and we engage as much as possible with our audience. audience. ♪ ♪ >> and it's a global band.

so our niche has grown. i like to say our fans are like plywood-- we grow a new laminate of them every generation and they stick to each other. people underestimate what the band means to people. people come up to me and say, "this band changed my life." or "this band changed my life," or things like that, and really deep, extraordinary experiences people have had listening to the band. and it's difficult to explain that to people to people who think they only have those kinds of experiences listening to u-2. we do have that effect on people, and it's amazing. >> chef jeremiah towers pierce considered him to be pioneer of modern american cuisine. but after winning claims, he

largely withdrew from the scene. another celebrity chef thinks towers' legacy has been overlooked. anthony bourdain's new documentary is, "jeremiah tower the last magnificent." >> it was initially i felt, jeremiah, this great chef and innovator and ayerst, who changed the entire industry, the way we eat in america now, that he hadn't been adequately credited for his accomplishments, just made me angry. >> rose: is that because he did not get all the credit he deserved for chapanese? >> yes, that was true. but he wasn't around. suddenly he wasn't around anymore-- history is written by the victors. it was easy for lazy journalists to have access to the people who were still around, and it was not so easy to -- >> he's on the beach in mexico. >> yeah. >.so he was knowingly written o. >> rose: knowingly written out. >> yes, people knew better. >> then mexico. >> then i came to new york and did a couple of cookbooks and

some pbs shows. and then 9/11, i decided to i probably should live-- you know, there had already been the earthquake and then terrorists and so i thought i better, you know, go someplace where there are no hurricanes or earthquakes or terrorists. so i went to mexico, to the beach. >> rose: and stayed for? >> oh, a long time. on and off, on and off. you know, part of it was i thought to myself, you know, at one point "time" magazine said i had more publicity than meryl streep-- i mean air, complete exaggeration. but when you look at it like that, i thought what's the next act? i didn't want to stick around. i wasn't-- i didn't want to be a lone, i wanted to be left alone. >> rose: you wanted to be left alone. you had enough of that for a moment. >> for the moment, yeah. i would say 350 people a day for 25, 30 years. and my mouth was stuck in a frozen smile. >> rose: but in your own way, in your own words, what did you do? what did you create, beyond the

cuisine, was much more. >> yes, it was the lifestyle you can have at a restaurant. i saw once when i walked into about a restaurant in paris there were two models, and they were eating, when i walked by, they were eating crabs out of the claws with their red, enamel long fingernails sucking on their fingernails and the crab and i thought, "i want a restaurant just like that. >> in 2016, director taika waititi spent around $2.5 million to make the film "hunt for the wilder people." went on to become the highest grossing film in the history of new zealand. his new film had a slightly bigger budget, roughly $180 million. it is marvel picture's "thor:

ragnarok." >> this thing has got-- it's fun and, you know, audiences everywhere are just smiling when they leave the cinema, which is something i don't think i see that often any more, people coming out of the cinema smiling. >> rose: you give them an escape. >> an escape, an escape, and personally i feel like we need a bit of escapism at the moment, and i'm happy to provide it. >> rose: what's the genius, do you think, of all these marvel comic characters? is it just that? these are people who are so larger than life and they take you to another world, and, therefore, you escape from whatever it is that might be troubling you? >> yeah, but, also, i think that they're very relatable. you know -- >> they have to have human characteristics. >> they have to, they have to. thor is-- essentially, he's a rich kid from outer space who just wants to be loved. >> rose: don't we all? >> we're all rich kids who wanted to be loved. and the hulk has bipolar disorder, can't control. i love the-- you be, the theme of hope.

you know, it's an age-old idea of wrestling with two beings-- there is really-- if we look at every character, they probably dress ridiculously but, you know, there is something relatable. >> rose: what do you call these films, other than "blockbusters?" >> toy commercials. >> rose: yeah, toy commercials. >> no, really-- what i love is actually it's a great and are is it really fun. we've basically, like, you know, we've taken all the crayons and, you know, let out every color imaginable in this film. >> rose: and with $180 million, you can pretty much say, "if we need this, we do this." >> yeah, and i think even when you say that, sometimes it's not enough. >> rose: not enough? >> no. i don't think you ever have enough money on any of these films, whether it's $3million, $200. >> rose: if you had not $180 but $380 million, it would have been a better film. >> maybe not. maybe too much money spoils it. >> rose: that would be the alternative idea. >> the thing is when you ask

most directors it, doesn't really matter the budget. the thing that you are always struggling for and that you always want is more time. there's never enough time to shoot these films. >> rose: where is the great joy for you? >> shooting. >> rose: is it shooting? more shooting than anything. >> i don't enjoy editing. >> rose: is that right? >> you're stuck in a dark room with one person, much like this, and engine you and i in one dark room for a year and no one else. >> rose: but you have all the power. you sit there and you choose. you sit there and you choose-- cut here. change this. do this. >> yeah, put this song in. >> rose: put this song in. >> i really love being on set because i love interacting with a group. i like having a family feel on my sets, and i like-- i like the-- i love the creating, like, a village. and being the master of that village. >> rose: there gu. power. >> it's complex. it's not enough just to control one person in a dark room.

i like to control many people. ( laughter ) many environments, charlie. >> here's what's new for your weekend: the fantasy action adventure "thor: ragnarok" is out in theaters. >> hulk like raging fire. like smoldering fire. >> the iphone "x" is available in stores this weekend. and sam smith has a new album up "the thrill of it all." and here's a look at the week ahead. sunday is the running of the new york city marathon. monday is the 55th annual country music aawards in nashville. tuesday is the day voters go to polls to elect governors in new

jersey. wednesday is the first day of the world food championships in orange beach, alabama. thursday is the 50th anniversary of "rolling stone" magazine. friday is opening night in new york for radio city's christmas spectacular, starring the rockettes. saturday is veterans day. >> that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. on behalf of all of us here, thanks for watching. i'm allison stuart. charlie will be back here next time.

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