>> rose: welcome to the program, we begin tonight with cbs evening news coverage of the tragic shootings yesterday at a church in texas. >> good evening, i'm jeff glor in sutherland springs, texas. behind me is the scene of another mass shooting. it didn't happen in a big city like orlando or las vegas. the target this time were worshipers in their small town church. this is the scene just after the attack. investigators say the suspect wanted to kill everyone in the church. 26 were killed, ranging in age from 18 months to 77 years. 20 others were wounded. ten remain in critical condition. police believe the gunmen 26 year old devin kelley took his own life after being chased by armed bystanders. he had received a bad conduct discharge from the air force for domestic assault. and cbs news has learned a mistake by the service may have

allowed him to buy his weapons. >> rose: and we continue with the arrest that took place in saudi a yaib-- a rain why over the weekend. we talk to robin wright. >> this is a real life "game of thrones." it is argueically the most dramatic moment in the modern history of saudi arabia. the young crown prince and his ailing father have basically engaged in a, what amounts to a kind of coup destat against their own royal family. >> we continue with taika waititi director of the new film thor ragnaroök. >> when i was going to make thee film, my friend said are you like a six year old, and from what i can gather on this film you asked a bunch of six year olds what they wanted in a movie and i gave them 180 million. >> we continue with anthony bourdain about their documentary jeremiah tower, the last magnificent. >> i have been cooking food heavily ripped off or influenced

by him but it was his book, california dish, his memoir that left me angry, you know, in a book there say clear case made for his true importance to what we call the american food revolution. and the fact that he appeared to have been wittingly written out of history made me press my justice button, made me angry and really was the impetus for this film. >> the tragedy in texas, arrest in saudi arabia, taika waititi, robin wright and anthony bourdain when we continue. >> funding for charlie rose is provided by the following. bank of america, life better connected.

>> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. we begin tonight with the cbs evening news coverage of the shooting in a texas church that took place yesterday. killing more than 20. >> somebody ran in, they started shooting everybody. >> cell phone video shows the victims and the chaos that spilled on to the front lawn of the first baptist church after the suspect, 26 year old devin kelley went on his horrific spree. >> yellow tarp covered one of the 26 who died. >> it's unbelievable. >> reporter: david casillas took the video. >> it was horrifying, some of the equipment with blood on them, gloves with blood on them, a deceased person right there right in front. >> around 11:20 sunday morning kelley dressed in black tack kal

gear was spotted at a gas station across from the church. he drove over, bot out and began firing with a rugerar type rifle shooting two outside the church. kelley then went inside and continued to fire shooting dozens. as he left, a neighbor steven williford confrontedded and shotd kelley who dropped his weapon and fled in an suv. a car chase ensued that ended when the suspect ran off the road and crashed. he was found dead inside his car, possibly from a self-infliblghted gunshot wound. >> i'm no hero. >> steven williford heard the shots from his home, ran out without shoes on and began shooting at kelley. >> and every time i heard a shot, i knew that that probably represented a life. i was scared to death. >> reporter: freeman martin is with the texas department of public safety. >> we foa during that pursuit, the suspect used his cell phone to notify his father that he had been shot, and didn't think he was going to make it.

>> reporter: today fbish agents scoured church property for evidence, three fire arms were recovered including two handguns and the rifle used at the scene. investigators believe the incident stemmed from a domestic dispute. kelley was estranged from his current wife danielle shields. the suspect's mother-in-law, a member of the church received threatening texts from him but was not present at the time of the shooting. >> we've had a long night with our children and grand babies we have left. >> pastor frank pomroy and his wife sherry who weren't at church lost their youngest daughter. 14 year old anna bell. >> the few of us that are left behind lost tragically yesterday. as senseless as this tragedy was, our sweet bell would not have been able to deal with losing so much family yesterday. >> rose: we turn now to saudi arabia, over the weekend the saudi crown prince ordered at

rest of dozen of of saudi arabia most influential figures, the arrests without formal charges and portrayed as part of a new anticorruption campaign. the purge is the latest move from the crown prince, in his drive to consolidate power and modernize the king 2k078. on saturday president trump spoke with king salman and praised his son's recently reforms but did not directly address the arrest. joining from washington is wob robin wright of "the new yorker" and joint fellow of the new york-- her most recent piece is you will cad the saudi royal purge with trump's consent. welcome, robin. thank you for coming. >> great to be with you, charlie. >> rose: put all of this in context. what in the world is going on over there and pick it up, i assume, not only the grand sweep of history and a young 30 year old son advancing to be deputy crown prince and then throwing out the crown prince and now making these arrests under the

banner of corruption, a consolidate of power and he already had a lot of power. make some sense out of this for us. >> this is a real life game of thrones, it is arguably the most dramatic moment in the 340d earn history of saudi arabia. the young crown prince and his ailing father have basically engaged in a, what amounts to a kind of coup destat against their own royal family it was a sweeping a rest over the weekend that is reportedly continued through monday and no one is quite sure when it may end. so far they've netted more than a dozen senior princes, three heads of networks, one of the richest men in the world, the leader of the most effective branch of the military, current and former cabinet ministers. this is astonishing in its sweep. and very sudden. but it does follow as you

pointed out a number of steps beginning with the summer when the crown prince and his father orchestrated the removal of the crown prince. and the young prince, the current king's third son who is only 32 now stepped in as the crown prince. he now holds the lovers of every single branch that is important in the kingdom, political, economic, military, and within the royal court. and now he heads this new anticorruption commission that has allowed him to arrest these extraordinary array of his own family. the most powerful people among the most powerful people in the kingdom. and seize their assets. "the new york times" reported that he had issued a ban on travel for other members of the royal family. and it's very uncertain where this is now headed. clearly he wants to consolidate power. clearly this is in the run-up to some kind of succession, whether

itnis with a king abdicating or becoming a region and the crown prince stepping in or paving a way to secure his claim to the throne in a ver volatile environment that has repercussions for the middle east, for the world's financial markets and for the united states and western allies depend et on oil. >> rose: no one has seen the saudi's fight like this publicly before. they have ruled by consensus. >> yes. absolutely. and since the founder of saudi arabia died in 1953, the sons all ruled by consensus. they would pick one brother and it went through the dozens of the founder's sons, were now at a point where not only have they purged other members of the royal family, they have also affectively created a new royal family from within the sprawling house of saud which has new thousands of members.

and they're excluding, you know, hundreds of other princes who are senior, among those purged was one who was a contender who is four decades older than crown prince mohammed bin salman. and this is a way of making sure that he gets the throne. >> rose: what do you think the americans, president trump, his son in law knew about this? >> well, very interesting that of course the relationship between saudi arabia and the united states has been transformed under president bush. there was a lot of tension during the obama administration. >> rose: under president bush or president trump. >> under president trump, yes. and there was a lot of tension during the obama administration. trump made his first trip abroad as the president to the kingdom. they have communicated regularly, his son in law jared kushner has made three trips, the last one unannounced at the end of october, in the run-up to this massive purge.

the pretext was to talk about the middle east peace process. but the jared kushner has a very close relations with the crown prince. they're both in their 30s. they reportedly talk well into the night sometimes until 4 a.m. about regional issues. and there is a real closeness. and there is a sense that the trump administration has implicitly, if not explicitly approved what's happening. president trump called the king on saturday from air force one on his way to asia. and praised him for the kind of statements the king and the crown prince have made, pledging modernization of the capital, of the kingdom. and taking a firm stand against terrorism. and so there is a sense that the father and son duo now in power feel that they have the support or the flexibility to go ahead and take some really tough stuff against their own family to secure their power. >> i hear two things.

number one there is a lot of people are in favor of the kind of reforms that the crown prince enacted his plan for economic change and his plan for changing certain cultural aspects of saudi arabia including women driving as a symbol of that. many support that but they object to him move sog fast, so young, so inexperienced. and there is some pushback to him for that reason. is that true? >> oh, i think so, absolutely. and his vision 2030 which is an attempt to modernize the kingdom and transform parts of the kingdom into areas where they have high-tech hubs, for example, where there will be a lot of robots, where they will do a lot of medical research, that this is a very ambitious plan. it calls for the investment of hundreds of billions of dollars. and there's a sense that this kind of modernization is really critical for the saudi kingdom to move forward, that it has

been a, not only ultra conservative but depend ent on basically its oil revenues and this is an attempt to di verse fie. the problem of course is that economic reform is not matched by political form and giving women the right to drive doesn't really take you to a place that opens up society. and there are also a lot of questions about whether women are going to be able to drive without getting permission from the male guardian, whether there will be limits on the hours, on whether they can drive only to work and to shop and not to, as some people say, joy ride just to get out in their cars and drive. and so there are some token steps that have been taken or will be taking next year. but they're not meaningful, this is a country where you have somewhere around, the ma jortd of the population is well under 30. and about a third of them are unemployed. and these issues don't address some of these fundamental

concerns that have lead to a lot of discontent and have lead people whether to join al qaeda, isis or become disillusioned with the royal family. and this is a problem for the regime. they have taken some steps. they have ambitious plans but will they be matched by things that will allow them to really feel like the country's 340d earnizing. it is one of the most conservative countries on earth. it is given us the ideology wahabi islam that produced al-qaeda and so there are a lot of questions about whether it really can adapt, especially under the leadership of somebody who soanl 32. >> does it have to do with corruption or power or maintenance of power? >> well, as a saudi editor said to me yesterday, the kingdom has been corrupted for 40 or 50 years it's been endemic. the question is are these the people who are the most corrupt or just the people who might be the most threat or be seen as

more vionary than the king and his young son. you know, corruption is an issue and yes t must be dealt with. corruption is, you know as well as anyone, endemic across the middle east. and it's particularly bad in an oil rich state like saudi arabia. and it is clearly not the only reason or may not be the main reason. people inside the kingdom resent the wealth that is concentrated among the elites. but i'm not sure this is the way to handle it. and what we don't know, are some judicial steps of being people formally charged, they have access to lawyers. as far as we know from pictures released today, a lot have been corralled into the rits carlton where there is a strong security contingent. and you know, haven't been allowed to say anything. >> why did prince al wall ed a businessman included in this. >> one of the most interesting things is al wall lead al tallal

on of the rimpestmen in the world, mixed in business dealing with bill gate and rupert pur dock, he was among the investors who took the plaza in new york off donald trump's hands and bought a yacht from trump. he investments in citybank and lyft, in twitter, really a forward thinker and has been very imaginative. he gave $20 million to georgetown university to create the center for christian-muslim understanding. and that he was roped in in all of this is really an incredible signal signal to anyone with any resource whats think they can buy their way out or that money is a cushion in saudi arabia, is in for a real shock. >> rose: will they be put on trial or what will happen. >> we have no idea. but the one last story about-- al wall ed is that he got into a twitter war with donald trump in 2015. he sent out a tweet saying that trump was not only a disgrace to

the republican party but to the entire united states. and he should step down. and eight hours later trump tweeted back and called him dopey and said that he only excelled because of his father's money. and of course donald trump did pretty well off his own father's money. so there has been a lot of tension between the two ever since. >> rose: i talked to someone today who you know and without being cute, without said to me look, this is either one of two things. a young man who is very, very confident in his own abilities, very kf department that he can take risky moves and prevail. or b, he's very, very, very nervous and he's acting first in order to save his own skin. >> it may be a bit of both. that this is a young man who has incredible confidence that he has a way to chart a wol different saudi arabia. after all, he's changing the way that the country is ruled and he's changing who rules it. but he's also incredibly vulnerable.

and one of the things that is interesting is he may be picking up some of these people to ensure that when his father is either incapacitated or dies, that there isn't a challenge to his own power, that he actually does get the throne. he's made a lot of mistakes in a very short period. he became defense minister at the age of 29, he was behind saudi arabia's war on yemen which is becoming like its vietnam. he has engaged in a feud with qatar which is a little peninsula where you just were, off the saudi coast. and it's not gone well, d o.j. o, the royal family there has managed to survive this isolation by its big neighbor. and so the saudis think they should have a more important role in the region just as this particular branch of the family thinks it should have a more important role inside the kingdom. and things aren't going well. >> rose: what is the role if any of the crown prince of the united arab emirates?

>> i don't know the answer to that question. clarily the united arab emirates and saudi arabia have moved hand-in-hand when it comes to whether it's common policy or yemen, common policy against isis. they are of like minds in terms of trying to modernize. how much the ua knew about this is unclear. >> you wrote in "the new yorker.com" it is the equivalent of waking up to find warren buffett and the heads of abc, cbs and nbc have been arrested a former u.s. official told me it has all the parynses of a coup detay. saudarabia is rapidly becoming another country, the kingdom has never been this unstable. so this is not over by a long shot. >> not over. this is really the beginning. and the question is, can the young crown prince sustain the momentum of that began this summer with ousting his predecessor than in september,

arresting prominent clerics and intllectuals and now this massive sweep within the royal family. and. >> just take note of one thing that you mentioned at the very beginning. one of the powerful military forces in saudi arabia is the national guard. the fat guard has been lead by the abdullah family who was the previous king without died what, a year or two ago. and for years has been their own power base. and all of a sudden they replace the head of the national guard with one of their own appointees. >> in some ways he was the most powerful man removed. the national guard in saudi arabia is the most effective military branch, best trained t has always, had the primary role of protecting the royal family. and by taking over, by ousting him and putting in his own man the crown prince has basically taken over all the branches now of theecurity forces, so it will be very hard for anyone to challenge-- challenge him. and this was in some ways the

most shocking. it's eliminated a man who was-- abdullah who was widely seens as the potential future king himself robin wright, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. taika waititi is here, his 2016 film hunt for the willedder people became guess this the highest grossing film in new zealand history despite a budget of did $2.56789 the his new film thor ragnaroök is the third in the series and 17 in the marvel cinematic university. in the new film nors god 250e78s up with the hulk to save his planet from the evil sister. rolling stone writes thor ragnaroök may be the most fun yu will ever have at a marvel movie. for that reason, here is the trailer. >> so much has happened since i last saw you.

i lost my hammer, like yesterday, so that's still pretty fresh. and then i went on a journey of self-discovery. where i met you. >> where are we? >> you have no idea. >> the goddest of death has invaded. >> oh, i've missed this. >> and you and i had a fight recently. >> did i win? no, i won, easily. >> doesn't sound right. >> well, it's true. go on. you're dead. you will be reborn in my image. i thought you would be glad to see me. >> you need to stop her here and

now, prevent ragnaroök, the end of everything. >> they're putting together a team. like the old days. surprise, this will be such fun. hello. >> hi. >> he's a fighter. here we go i'm not a crane or a monster. i'm the god eggs of death. -- goddess of death. >> what were you the 2k3w0d of again?

we're the same you and i. >> we are the same, hulk like fire,-- like water. >> oh, like raging fire, tho like small little fire. i'm pleased to have taika waititi at this table. >> thanks for having me. >> rose: who is the audience for this? >> me. >> rose: of course it does have to be you, doesn't it, it has to be you, first. >> me, my friends, my mom. i mean, you know-- . >> rose: boys, girlsk young. >> i'm were moating the film here, really i feel it is for everyone. when i was going to make the film a friend of mine said you know, you're like a six year old and from what i can gather with this film it's like you asked a bunch of six year olds what they want in a movie and have given them $180 million to make it. this thing has got

something-- it's fun and audiences everywhere are just smiling. and when they leave the cinema which is something i don't think i really see that often any more. coming out of the cinema smiling. >> rose: you give them an escape. >> an escape. >> personally i feel like we need a bit of escapism. and i'm happy to provide it. >> rose: well, good for you. the, what is the genius you think of all these marvel comic characters, is it just that, these are people who are so larger-than-life and they take you to another world, and therefore you escape from whatever it is that might be troubling you? >> yeah, but also i think that they are very relatable. >> rose: they have to have human characteristics. >> they have to, they have to they have to. thor s i mean essentially he's a rich kid from outer space, who just wants to be loved. rrs don't we all. >> just wanted to be looked. >> and hulk is kind of like this bipolar disorder that he can't

control. i love that the theme of hulk, you know, is just an age-old idea of wrestling these two things with the new. we look at every character, they probably dress ridiculously but there is something relatable. >> rose: have you wanted to make one of these films. >> no, it was never my dream. also was never my dream to be a filmmaker. that was something i fell into. >> rose: what was your dream. >> my backgrounds is painting and photography, visual arts, graphic, really. so i kind of fell into this after macking some short films. and they did very well. and i was encouraged more than anything. >> rose: what happened to the art? >> well, i actually realized i got-- now can i provide that side of myself, exotion anyway, in a frame. >> rose: you live in new zealand. >> i live between new zealand and los angeles.

los angeles is a city in america. >> rose: yes. >> where people like myself hang out. >> new zealand is a country of australia, trecherrous comment that was. >> rose: so you know, when you began to direct films, did you have a real sense that all this other stuff really had contributed, you had a visual acuity, a sense of color. >> yeah, yeah. i do feel that. i had, it's been a long time growing up in theater and writing plays, directing plays for myself and with my friends. and so i think like all of the films, been in different various bands and played music and performed. and i feel like all of those various things were all kind of training me, really for this thing which is a combination of all the things i love. >> rose: do you have certain

kinds of film that you want to get to, now that you are on this success track, that you now he the freedom to do pretty much anything you want to do. pretty much. >> yeah, pretty much. i like to go and do some of my smaller films, they are pretty good. >> rose: meaning what. >> my scripts rps right, you never made but you would like. >> a couple other ones have i written that i quite enjoy my film, they're all right. and i would like to km back and do more of these hollywood things, things like this. it's pretty fun. >> it is a fun experience. >> it's fun to make them. >> rose: what do you call these films other than blockbusters. >> look, what i love it is actually a great story and it's really fun. it is an adventure, this

bomb-- bombastic, basically, you know, take all the crayons, every color imaginable in this film. >> rose: and with 180 million dollars you can pretty much say if you need this, we do this. >> yeah, i think even when you say that sometimes it's not enough. >> glor: -- . >> rose: not enough. >> i don't think you ever have enough money on any of these films, whether it's 3 million or 200. everyone could always want more. >> rose: so if you had had not 180 but 300 million dollars, this would have been two eggs better film? >> i don't know, maybe not, maybe too much money spoils it. >> rose: well, yeah, that would be the alternative idea. >> you ask most directors, it doesn't really matter the budget. the thing that you are always struggling for and want is more time. there is never enough time to shoot these films. we shot for 85 days, most of my

films were shot in 25 days, this was 85 days. and still struggling, i need more time. >> rose: where ithe tbreat joy four, is it shooting? >> more shooting than editing. >> i don't enjoy editing. >> rose: is that right. >> you are stuck in a dark room with one person. like this. imagine you and i, in that one room for a year. >> rose: i know. >> and no unelse. >> rose: but you have all the power. you sit there and you choose, cut here, change this. >> yeah. >> rose: put the film in. >> rose: put this song in. >> i love being airnlgd-- rrs i want that take, no the ta take. >> that's pretty much it, did he constructing directing. >> rose: right. >> i really love being on set because i love interacting with a group. i like having a family feel on my sets. and i like the-- i love the creating like a village. and being the masesser of that village. >> rose: there you go.

>> it's not enough just to control one in a dark room. i like to control many people, many environments,. >> rose: that's what you should make, your die biography. what's the state of the new zealand film industry today? >> well, i think, i think it's doing quite well. >> rose: yeah. >> it is a thriving industry, for our population. we make about, i don't know, maybe eight films a year on average. i would say two of those is pretty good is. >> the same ratio as the rest of the world, like 20% of these things are right and the rest is crap. >> rose: is that right? >> wouldn't you say, you look at hollywood and the movies they make, you don't troll for the

love stuff, but for the good stuff. >> rose: is it all about scripts too. >> well, it is. >> rose: you got a good script, you can fix the rest of the stuff. >> yes. >> rose: you can find the actors. >> everyone is drawn to a good script. i remember going, being in hollywood and finding these scripts add and reading them and saying this is a terrific script, i would love to take this film, can we take a meeting on it. yeah, sure, you're number 25 on the list. >> to take a meeting. >> you know, so artists and actors and directors know when there say good script and they all want to do it. >> rose. >> yeah, you don't stumble across an amazing-- . >> and when you take a meeting, you go in and try to convince them whoever owns the property or the studio who is going to finance it, that i have the best idea and can i bring together the highest convergeence of talent and creativity. >> well, this film there wasn't really a story when i went in to

pitch. i wasn't really pitching on an idea so much, i was pitching on tone and the kind of tone. >> rose: give me a pitch. >> there was no pitch. i could be eled together some images from different films and put them to music, that was such a show like it could be like this, but there is no story. i think the pitch prog ses really is just, you know, awe see whether or not you can working to for two years. >> rose: that is what it is. >> this is a pitch and i think this pitch is going really well because i feel like i like you and we could be mates. >> rose: we could do that. >> we could maybe make something. >> >> rose: look at the actors you have here, chris hems disz worth, there you go, tom hiddleston for gods stakes. >> you got them all here. let's look at this, the scene between those two right here meeting the sister played by kate blanchett, pie god, you couldn't miss with this, you

can't make a bad movie. you couldn't screw this up. >> well. >> rose: here it is, roll tape. >> you must be hella. i'm thor sunday of erden reasons really, you don't loo like him. >> perhaps we can come to an arrangement. >> you sound like him. neil. >> beg your pardon? neil before your queen-- kneel, before your queen. >> i don't think so. this is not possible. >> darling, you have no idea what's possible. all right.

fla is a pretty good scene, wasn't it. >> that is a pretty good scene, she's good. >> oh boy is she good, she sat here many times. >> i can feel her. >> rose: you can feel her presence in the chair. but you do know what movie you are going to make next? >> yeah, i mean, one of the things i'm doing is a stop motion. you know doing that, i've got one of my script shows i would like to do in europe, that has come back and maybe make one of these studio fims. >> rose: maybe do something on broadway. >> yeah, i would do something on broadway. off, off, off. >> rose: congratulations, come back any time, great to you have, pleasure. >> thank you. >> rose: back in a moment, stay us. injury my towers, peers consider him one of history most

influence chefs. in the 1970s he pioneered modern cuisine at the chez penice and went on to make his own restaurant and po pelled into the public eye as the first celebrity chief. hearsay look at the trailer. >> jeremiah to youer was pure inspiration. >> he changed the world. >> he was the father of american cuisine, one of the major names in this country. >> he was just sexy. >> they were like wow. >> jeremiah was modern american restaurant could be. >> jeremiah tower, sunday nights noafer 12th at 9:00 on cnn. >> rose: joining me are the executive producer of the film anthony bowr tain and jeremiah tower himself.

glad to you have at the table. >> thanks. >> rose: why did you want to make this. >> i had been aware of jeremiah of course by reputation. i had been cooking foods that was either a direct rip offer by his or heavily influenced by him for years without even knowing it. but it was his book, california dish, his memoir that left me angry, you know, in the book there is a clear case made for his true importance to what we call the american food revolution. and the fact that he appeared to have been wittingly written out of history made me-- pressed my justice button, made me angry and really was the impetus of this fim. as prot ject progressed, i started to take a bigger view of it, it is also a great character story. it was initially i felt that jeremiah, this great chef and innovator and artist who changed the entire industry the way we eat in merck now, that he hadn't

been add quawtdly reddit-- credited for his accomplishments. just made me angry. >> rose: is that because he didn't get all the credit he deserved for slaiping these. >> yes, that is true. but he wasn't around, suddenly he wasn't around any more, history is written by the victors, it was easy for lazy journalists to have access to the people who were still around and it was not so easy to to have access. so he was knowingly written off. >> rose: knowingly. >> yeah. people knew better. they were there. >> rose: so what happened? so chez penice then starsz, then mexico. >> then i came to, no and did a couple of cook books, pbs shows. and then 9/11 i decided i probably should live-- there had been the earthquake and then terrorists, so i thought i had better go some place where there are no hurricanes or earthquake

or terrorists, so i went to mexico to the beach. >> rose: and stayed for. >> oh, a long time, on and off, on and off but part of it was i thought to myself, you know, at one point time magazine said i had had more publicity than meryl streep, a complete exaggeration but when you look at it like that i thought what is the next act. you know, i didn't want to stick around, you know, it wasn't, you know, i want to be alone. i want to be left alone as greta gasho said, left alone. >> rose: you wanted to be left alone, you had had enough of that for a moment. >> for a moment, i say hello to 350 people a day for 20er yoos. my mouth was stuck in a frozen smile. >> rose: in your own words what did you do? what did you create? beyond the cuisine was much more. >> yes, it was the lifestyle that you can have at a restaurant. i mean i saw once when i walked into a restaurant in paris there were two thin beautiful women

with an enormous shell fish platter, four stories high. and they were eating when i walked by, they were eating grab out of the claws with their red enameled long finger nails sucking on their finger nails and crab and i thought i want a restaurant just like that and when i left the restaurant they were still there, still digging too all of that. and i thought that's sexy and beautiful and powerful and you know, so i couldn't wait to open a restaurant just like that. >> that mix of the divine and disgraceful all in one steak was also a new thing, of open kitchen. a restaurant where one walked in wanting to see the chef before that the last person you wanted to see much less hear opinion from was the chef, at stars people insisted on it. >> rose: it was also an attitude about life too, want it? >> absolutely. that's why my hero, licioubebe,

the man who invented cafe society. and i'm not sure what cafe society is but i read about it a lot. but he was the last man to have, as jim villa says in the documenteddary, he was expelled from harvard and yale for showing up drunk to the first class in the morning in top hat and tails, my favorite thing from him was when he said everything is all right sort of all right on the world when you have been out on the town and can have hot bird and a cold bottle. >> you say we won't see the likes of this guy again, because somethinhas changed? >> well, the jeremiah changed it. you know, to be the first celebrity chef, you know, you can't be the first celebrity chef again. it is been done the restaurant business in many ways has become

almost every restaurant you walk into, is in many ways a refleksz to one extent or another of work pioneered by jeremiah. menus. the menus were incredibly influential attributing the ingredients proudly to american sources by name, american lines, american products. this was again new. so to have that kind of tech tonic effect on a culture, i mean how many jimi hendrickss or chuck berries can you have. >> that touches my heart. >> anybody's heart. >> but were you born to class and travel. >> right, right. >> you understood a good life. >> jaimsz said i was vaccinated with a passport. i think i was too. >> with my parents traveling they took me along. >> rose: so you got to know

all the great places. >> starting at 4 or 5 years old with sydney. >> rose: what about alice waters. >> i went to the an verse dinner, we sat in the middle with a little table which he carefully staged but what fun. lydia, the director asked her to come a couple of times in the film. and they set up the time to fill testimony and she changed her mind at the last minute. >> rose: do you know why? >> no, i don't. >> i believe it is an he moationzal issue. i think she feels very strongly both about jeremiah and-- i'm not going to speak for her but i know it was an emotional kfertionz trying to get her to appear in the film which we wanted very badly to happen it is not an anti-alice waters film. >> and neither one suggested it. >> but she got lots of the credit that you say he partially deserved. >> true. >> rose: but the idea of going, to coming back to new

york, you surprised people. >> oh god. >> rose: is that an overstatement. >> it was incredibly inconvenient. we finished the 23eu8 am. >> that is what i thought you finished the film. >> and we opened "the new york times" and there is jeremiah doing this outrage us high profile thing that changes the entire tra ject overy of the it. >> lydia. >> your partier sans. >> says what do we do, we have to shoot for another year. >> i my initial comment was no you won't t will be over in a month. she thought she would have to shoot for another-- that this could possibly work. and i knew right away. >> rose: why did you know right away. >> i have had friends who worked at tavern, i'm well famiar with the place. i am a cynical guy who has been in the business or was 230r a long time. this was-- even if everything had gone right, jeremiah from

what i knew about him is all about fabulousness. and glamor. and you know, whatever you say about tavern on the green, it's never going to be that. it's, you know, you go, you know, if you want to bring your grand moart out for the birthday so unnone much your friends will see you. >> you are a smart guy, how come you didn't see this. >> i have a fatal attraction for the slim chance. and this was almost-- . >> rose: grate quote, fatal attraction for the slim chance. >> yeah. it was an adventure, a dong rouse add ren veur. and i'm very often stupid enough to step up and take a swing at it. >> so you now goround the world making speeches and talking about life and class and what furns you on. >> right. >> do you still, if somebody came around and said do i have an idea, do i have a place, do i have the perfect situation. are you l ears?

>> yes. especially if it's on their mouth because i'm sorry to bring it up again, but it was so funny a year ago because people kept asking me-- finally i ran out of answers. we have mario vitale, somebody called him immediately and said yes, of course. completely fictitious is the word i'm looking for, completely. >> rose: but you would do that, go to the malvy coast and open a restaurant uniquely wores and say i was born to do this one last great place. >> well, i think everybody should look for a last act. and i'm 75 in a few days. so i probably have only one left, well, of course by definition it's the last act but you know there was a little bar on the beach in phuket and i was sitting there last year and i said, a little bar this big,

good sound system, great music and some booze, that was it, in the hand sand, i said don't have you an umbrella and some guy comes out of the jungle. he put done a banana tree and sticks it in the stand next to me and i thought there is your umbrella. i said i've got to have a restaurant like this, so a beach bar i might do. >> you might do it. >> it's perfectly brilliant, simply done and good music and a banana tree, sure. >> what is the attraction between the two of you. >> i done know there was initially admiration but as i got to know jeremiah's story, you know, we're talking about, the story is so many important celebrity chefs, the story has been neglected or a us booed child. and however jeremiah chooses to scrips his childhood moving from ocean liner to the plaza he was

alone. and left completely alone to, his only friends, waiters, room service waiters and cooks and hotel staff, which i ther rise is perhaps possible sowrt of his attraction, his fetishization of the busm appointments that, and flatware and the things that make that life attractive. so is he is a fascinating character, it is an incredible story, a fascinating character and a wronged artist. these are things that appear very strong for me. >> and a charming and endlessly interesting person to be around. >> you can imagine worse people to bring up, at mot el restaurants, you don't have to answer that, but i admire tony because the intelligence is

massive. his courage is massive, and he can say things extemporaneously, he can just say things like that whow me completely when a blogger came up to us as we were stepping out of a studio months ago. and he said tony, what is the best eating in the world. where should i go. and tony said go to tokyo and drop acid when he got in the car. i thought i have to learn how to do that. now i admire him tremendously. >> it is also integrity. there are things about tony. >> when i saw puerto rico i thought that man is unbelievable. how could he get to puerto rico after the hurricane and do a show, get it edited and on the air. >> i went before the hurricane. >> rose: it's really incred

kbl. you mentioned this before, what jose has done down there, of course it's devastated, still without power. >> he went straight there. he didn't have any support staff, he had no plan. he had no organization in place or ljistical framework. he just went down and figured i will put him on whatever food is there in whatever condition it is and i will turn it into a hot cooked meals and contribute it-- distribute it as wildly as i can. and this grew quickly, to the point if that he served first a million, then two million. he sent more hot meals than fema in this entirely private enterprise. it is an extraordinary thing and it all comes from the heart. >> i want to show a couple of things. let's go to number three, third clip, if we may, take a look at this, this is you talking with others about the return to the profession, here it.

>> here is a guy who has been basically out of the roasks approximate as a working chef for 15 years, never restauranted a restaurant in new york city, just seems incredible to me, like something you would see in a movie but would never happen in real life. >> and yet here is he, finally coming to new york. i think you have to be excited. my hope is it will be a homerun. do i think that will happen? i think-- i think there say chance it will. >> stars like to build underground t was only there i don't know how long but it wasn't very many years and then he kind of disappeared without a trace. there is clearly unfinished business. >> work while you still have the light. i wanted to see if my light was still on. >> rose: work while you still have the light. >> have the light,. >> my light was still on.

>> rose: but you still believe it though, don't you. >> oh yes, but you have to test yourself occasionally. where is the fun in lying in bed unless you are writing the world's greatest novel. >> rose: isn't it a bit within you, of all the things you said about you, why this is interesting to you, isn't there something within you wants to see would you be involved in, you know, one masterful effort for a great, final chapter. >> i don't need that, i honestly don't. i am not hungry for that. but see it's not for you, it's for him well, he's right. >> would i like to see jeremiah do that. >> or not. >> i would like jeremiah to be happy. but i think you know orson wells syndrome, in a lot of ways. when you made citizen kane you don't have to apologize.

>> here would be my argue, it is what he knows, he does, he is. st not in trying to top yourself but it is him, wanting to paint with new colors, wanting to, i like as a mpassionate human being who knows the pain of the restaurant business, the price to be paid for being the best much less the best again is too high for anyone to bear, especially in the restaurant business. i would hope for the beach bar or the place of-- noah a modest study. i think that would be quite the accomplishment and you know, a good life. >> and a good place to be. >> rose: where are you now in terms of adventure for this season? >> i'm about a quarter of the way through shooting another couple of seasons, all merely consecutively. so i am really in between many

profls,-- trasms, i'm in between-- and you are guy at the moment and continuing to produce films, working on a book. >> rose: memoir or something else? >> essays. >> rose: about life, about. >> yeah. >> rose: of all the places you have been, if suddenly you needed to go away for a year, where would you go? >> that is a good one. >> maybe spain, maybe st. sebastian in spain t is a grown up city, fantastic food, centrally located to paris and rome which is nice. that would not be a bad place to live for a year. >> rose: thank you for coming. >> thank you. >> rose: great to see you. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> rose: let me remind audiences that the last magnificent will air on cnn on sunday november 12th at 9 p.m sunday november 12ate 9 p.m.. is that your time slot.

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