>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. just ahead the republican tax flan plan moves through the senate. drew faust, talks about the meaning of a university. and two families struggle with issue of race and class in rural mississippi in the new film "mud bound." >> what's the worst thing you ever did? >> you betray your own blood. >> you can't even see your own life is miserable. >> sadness, oppression fear. >> rose: we'll have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the

following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? the list of the stories. >> rose: is it luck at all or is it something else? >> he was a master of logistics. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> the discipline of how do you run a business. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. this was the week the republican tax plan cleared the house of representatives. president trump returned from asia. and the first branch of the louvre museum outside paris opened in the united arab emirates. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days: >> a woman who made a name for herself by writing about big-name celebrity has died. the trailblation new york gossip columnist liz smith. >> rose: roy moore's campaign remains defiant after new allegations. >> two more women described.

>> do you believe these allegations to be true? >> i believe the women, yes. >> senator al franken faces sexual harassment allegations. >> a manhunt is under way in tampa as police investigate whether a suspected serial killer has struck again. >> republicans are one step closer to passing a tax reform bill. >> rose: a deadly shooting spree in northern california. >> the gunman randomly targeted people at seven places, including an elementary school. >> as president trump wraps up his tour through asia, a bombshell allegations that his son corresponded with wikileaks. >> in italy, tears, disbelief. >> italy won't be playing at next year's world cup, the first time since 1958. >> meantime, sweden's players were so excited they got tv people involved. >> today you have stated, "i don't recall" at least 20 times.

is that fair to say? >> i have no idea. >> president trump taking a quick water break. >> they don't have water. that's okay ♪ we need water >> these press conferences, they're usually pretty dry to begin with, but this one seemed especially dry. >> they don't have it. they don't have it. that's okay. ( laughter ) ( applause ) ♪ come on give me your water >> rose: president trump returned from asia this week and declared his trip a success. and he moved closer to claiming a legislative victory as the republican tax plan cleared the full house and senate innocencial committee. jonathan carr joins me from abc neez news. he just returned from china. and i want to begin there. the president went to china.

he made the case for both america first, better trade, and help on north korea. in your judgment, how well did he do? >> well, it was-- it was the one hand he got warm reception, as he'll be the first to tell you, every place he went. he clearly has a rapport or appears to have a rapport with the leaders of japan, china, south korea, in particular. he didn't come away with any major accomplishments, though, charlie. and i thought it was the-- the fascinating speech to me was the speech that he gave before apec in vietnam, where he made the case for american nationalism and for nationalism around the world. it was this-- it was before this multilateral institution that is designed to, you know, to basically be a forum for collective action on the economy. and said, "look, wait we do this now is this should be essentially every countryout for itself," which was a very discorded message, especially because he was followed immediately by president xi of

china, who made a case effectively for chiess global leadership. quite a stark, different message, and one that looked, to a degree, like america stepping off the world stage, china stepping forward. >> rose: let's move back to washington. we call the segment sort of "white house watch." where do we stand on tax reform? we have taken note of the fact that the tax reform bill, the republican bill, passed the republican congress, house. we took note of the fact that it's up for a very, very tight vote in the senate. and then they'll see where they are. what's the likelihood of passage in the u.s. senate? >> i put it at slightly over 50%. the margin is incredibly close. and there are a number of senators that have-- that are opposed to provisions within this bill. but very few have come out-- really only ron johnson has come out and said in the current form he would not vote for it.

and you talk to both republican leadership, people in the republican leadership in the senate and at the white house, and they believe that ultimately they can address ron johnson's concerns, that he will support this. but it looks to me like they can pull this off. but, charlie, the margin is incredibly tight. >> rose: where do we stand on the russian probe right now, not only the mueller investigation but also the senate investigation and the house investigation? >> well, first, on the mueller side of things, the-- mueller is now beginning to get into the inner sanctum, the very inner circle of the president. he is-- hope hicks, one of the-- really the person that's been with the president the longest, one of the very first on his campaign, she is expected to go in to be interviewed by mueller shortly after thanksgiving. jared kushner's spokesman is expected to go in about the same time. it's only a matter of time until

he goes from those interviews to the inevitable interviews with jared kushner himself, with don jr., and the white house expects, still expects that the president himself will be called as well. so, clearly, the mueller investigation has gone from looking at some relatively marginal figures on the campaign, man fort-- somebody who left the campaign in august-- to people who are right now at the very inner circle at the white house. >> rose: drew faust became president of harvard university in 2007. she is retiring in 2018. she is a historian by training. she had a huge impact on diversity and became a champion of the humanities. y we talked about the role of the university in a conversation this week. >> what's great about a

university is that it's rather chaotic in its encouragement of curiosity and exploration and aspiration and human betterment. and people all believe in that, though they may go off in different directions to find out how best to accomplish it. and it's that-- i said it was chaotic, but in some sense it's also very ordered in that it's a kind of symphony of people working together towards common ends through very different -- >> with a certain structure. >> yeah. >> rose: with a certain structure and a certain-- certain sense of-- it's up to us to make sure that in a four-year experience at this place you have certain essential experiences, for your mind, for your soul, for your sense of being a human being. >> uh-huh. >> rose: i mean, this is a rare sort of-- your first time away from home, and you're in a

new place with new challenges. and the richness of the challenges, the exposure to such a variety of experiences, challenges, intelligence and learning is-- is, i think, a beautiful thing. >> so you're focusing in what you just said on the college which is, of course, at the heart of the university. but i think it's important to remember it's not the only part of the university. >> rose: it's a research facility. >> but when i think about the college in this day and age, we are making a choice to offer a residential experience in an era when people could get so much information online. so what is it about bringing people face to face that is the added value, that is the special part of a residential university experience? >> rose: what is it? >> and i think that's very much at the heart of what you were saying, which is they are learning-- students are learning in classrooms and laboratories and libraries, but they people e

different in every possible way, so that they have the maximum chance of educating one another and of introducing one another to experiences and points of view and backgrounds that one may never have encountered before. and that, to me, is the magic of the residential experience. >> rose: if the leader of china, xi jinping, if the leader of china said, "i want to create a great university like harvard," how long would it take him to do that? >> well, there are many aspects to that, but i'd say one is that he would be challenged because he would not, i believe, like the kind of diversity of opinion

-- >> that's reflected at a university like harvard. >> ...and difference that is essential to a great university. >> rose: so they're inhibited to having a great university if there is an impediment to free expression, which we certainly know there is. >> they certainly have excellent universities that teach wonderful science, wonderful subject matter. they have brilliant scholars, and we have many exchanges and partnerships with places like peking university, but i think that element of freedom of expression is one that has to be at the heart of real learning, because you've got to be able to challenge. >> rose: for the entire conversation, see the nightly edition of "charlie rose" later tonight. >> rose: ron chernow is an

award-winning biographer. his subjects among the shapers of american history, both political-- george washington-- and businessmen, like john rockefeller and j.p. morgan. of his biography, "alexander hamilton was the base for the broadway hit "hamilton." now he turns his attention to ulysses s. grant. >> the other people i have written about i felt were built for success, and even as i was researching hir childhood, you knew they were going to soar into the wild blue yornd. this is a completely different story, this tremendous pathos in this story. it's a man who was repeatedly defeated by circumstance, and there was nothing ordained about his success. >> rose: lacked ambition. >> yes, in fact, when he graduated from west point, his highest ambition was to be an assistant math professor at the academy-- not, mind you, a full

professor but an assistant math professor. >> rose: how did he ascend the beginnings? how did he get on the road to greatness? >> finally 1860, 38 years old, he goes to his father and asks if he can work as a clerk in his father's leather goods store in illinois, and he goes to work junior to his two younger brothers, so thi so and the wars out. therhe had fought with distinctn in the mexican war. two months later he's a colonel, 10 months later, he's a major general, and by the end of the war, he is the general and chief of the union army with 1 million soldiers under his command. >> rose: how did he do it? >> it's amazing. i think the most interesting comments on his success from sherman is grant had a simple

faith in success that "i can liken so much in the faith a christian has in his savior." he said grant could always sense that supreme moment in a battle, where if the thing were pushed, the union army would win. he made the fascinating statement that robert e. lee would attack the porridge and grant would attack the kitchen. what he meant by that, was grant began to systematically cut off the five railroads and canal that were feeding lee's army. grant was not only a master of strategy but a master of logistics which was very important in the civil war. >> rose: michael rappin'o is the president and c.e.o. of live nation entertainment. it has produced sold-out concert

tours for everyone from bruce springsteen to beyonce. >> for whatever reason, the idea they love live and that passion i found early was, what, 80% of the game, as we know. there are many people waking up today trying to figure out what they want to do. so wanting to do what i wanted to do was great. i think the idea that i can manifest the outcome is probably the talent. and i sat there, 20 years old, in the university with one of my mentors that now i work with, and i said to him at 20, "at 40 years old i want to run the largest live entertainment company in the world." >> rose: but it was more than a business. it was a business you love. it was about something you love. >> i find it rare in the music business, most music executives are on the record side and talk about their love for the record. i just love those two horizontal. i think those two hours of magic when you're back stage and watching the production of the

u-2, the jay zs. as a kick from thunder bay i took the 16-hour drive to toronto to see my first big show, robert plant. >> rose: and live music today is king. >> yeah, today we're celebrating, live nation, we went public 12 years ago. nobody cared about this 12 years ago. for 30 years the business was about the record and snapster and streaming and cds and cob summittion around the record business and the news media. and the promoter was-- you be, , you toured to sell records. and then nap tercame along and the digital download came along and all of a sudden you started to tour to make money. >> rose: and it is now the principal revenue source for most artists. >> exactly. and young artists. when you are starting out now, probably 90% of the money you're going to make in a year comes from the road. >> rose: what does live nation do for the artist. >> it's simple. we want to sell every ticket for

you and we want to make the pot as big as we can. 90% of artists don't sell out. for every u-2 and beyonce were it's a really easy "on sale" day for us, the real job is to get the extra 1,000 tickets sold at jones beach, using our platform, how do we price it better. how do we price the back end of the house so it does sell out on a wednesday in indianapolis. >> rose: one of my favorite assignments is as a correspondent for "60 minutes." in its five decades on television, the weekly news magazine has only had two executive producers, the founder and legendary donahueit, and jeff fager, his successor. fager has put all that history down in a book. it's called "50 years of '60

minutes'." >> i think most important part of it was actual he a list of the stories because i think you could give it to any loyal viewer and they would recognize stories as you look at a list. now, there are 5,000 of them. i had amazing help from tanya simon, who is just a fabulous producer, daughter of bob same orange knows the broadcast well, and worked with me closely on a chronology. and then it really was about memories and the thoughts they really hoped this could be a book for journalism students. so all of the different things that we do. all of the practices and values that we adhere to for all these years, i tried to get that in there, so it's a bit of a blueprint, if i think, part of our success. >> rose: you have talked about this before, but talk about the birth of "60 minutes." i mean, how it came about. because it was not born out of high anticipation. >> no. >> rose: it was not born out of instant success. >> no, no. it was hard to get it off the

ground. don hewit came up with the idea and it took several years to sell it. >> rose: the idea was? >> a "life" magazine for television. a magazine that covered a combination of what he called high murrow and low murrow. an interview with a president in the same broadcast as interview with a movie star. >> rose: the same way edward r. murrow would do with a mile mooilg rant worker and an actor. that's what everybody at "60 minutes" does? >> everybody is a generalist. >> rose: you think about mike doing it, but mori did it. >> everybody is a generalist. you have to have the ability to do just about every kind of story-- though, everybody does it in a slightly different way with different strengths that they bring to the table. and it was bosh and it was given these values, and the practices that storytaling, how we're going to tell our stories, we're

going to tell them in narrow ways, all of the things that i write about in the book that don taught us. he would fix our copy and help us write and lines and he had an amazing eye for a story. but it didn't start to take off until about seven years in. >> rose: it took that long to do what, find a home, build an audience? >> they found a home, at 7:00 on sundays. dan rather joined at that point which was important because now you have an ensemble of reporters, that first broadcast at 7:00 on sunday-- they'd been off the year all fall-- was, i think, the beginning of the modern "60 minutes." >> rose: "muttbound" is the new films from writer-director d. reeves following the family of two combat veterans who work

on the same farmland in mississippi. it starts streaming tonight on netflix. >> i see "mudbound" as the symbiootic relationship between the jackson family and mcicalen family. you have two husbands both tethered by sense of disinheritance. happen feels like his ancestors are in the ground ground, his blood, sweat and bones are in the ground but they can never take title to. they are linked not only by motherhood but economic disem powerment. then you have the two sons tied together by the trauma. these guys have p.t.s.d. before there is a name for it. they are more brothers by the end of the film as henry and james area blood brothers. this could have been a film just about two brothers. it could have been a film just about this marriage.

it could have been a film just about this family trying to make this way, or a film just about these two soldiers returning. "mudd bound" is all those things and never lets us settle on one particular point of view. >> rose: tell me about your character, mary. >> my character is forens jackson, powerful, and reserved. she is confident in her own skin. she is a woman who absolutely loves her family, like most women in the world, and she would do anything for them. i love you, too, baby. and she's a woman who understands another woman because she's a woman. this is yet relationship between her and laura becomes very powerful because she understands a woman. and she's just like-- like, she's just a woman who loves her family and would do anything for them. >> rose: and your character? >> so i play laura. >> rose: right. >> and she's the mother in the other household. and she starts the story as a sort of awkward misfit who has never really found out who she

is. she describes herself as a 31-year-old virgin and is sort of destined for spinsterhood until she meets henry. she goes into marriage and motherhood and feels this is sort of a journey she should be on and then meets henry's brother, jamie, and then moves to this land and meets this other family and everything changes, slightly spins out of control. >> rose: finish out our characters. >> i play jamie mcicalum in this, jason clarke's younger brother, henry. starts off sort of with the world at his fintertips and is quite inspired by all aspects of life, literature, and theater, and wants to essentially become the next errol flynn in a way, and the war breaks out, and he goes off and becomes a bomber pilot. and everybody on the plane is killed but him, and he returns home with survivor' survivor's d

p.t.s.d., and is essentially a ghost at that point and resorts to kind of escapism, and his escapism is a little more through the bottle. so you get to see that wonderful downward spiral through him and everyone else. >> here's what's new for your weekend. the big-screen adaptation of "justice league" is released in theaters nationwide. tim mcgraw and faith hill release their first album together "the rest of our life." ♪ oh, i need you the national dog show runs all weekend at the greater philadelphia expo center. >> the best in show the greyhound, and even the giant schnauzer is over there to congratulate him. >> and here's a look at the week

ahead: sunday is the 40th anniversary of egyptian president anwr sadat's visit to israel. monday is the 70th wedding anniversary of britain's queen elizabeth ii and prince philip. tuesday is the day the film independent spirit awards nominees announced. wednesday is the night of balloons are inflated for the macy's thanksgiving day parade in new york city. thursday thanksgiving. ed from is the day the davis cup tennis final begins in france. saturday is the first anniversary of the death of fidel castro. >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. before we leave you, we want to note the death of the famed gossip columnist liz smith. she was 94. for more than 40 years, she covered new york's rich and

glamorous. unlike many of her counterparts she did it by writing in a chit-chatty style. she also became friends with many of the bold-faced names who appeared in her complms here is liz smith at the table. >> you know, gossip is just stories, no matter how we dress it up, it's the story who did, said, did what to whom, where the bodies are buried, where they might be buried, all that kind of stuff. and i think that that's just endemic to human nature. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: captioning sponsored by rose communications ca

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