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i'm thuy vu. coming up, thousands of people convicted of marijuan related offenses in san francisco are o eering a decision by the district attorney criminal and we'll talk with a california tivist who attended president trump's state of the union address. he represents undocumented black immigrants. and we'll hear from lieutenant governor gavin newsom why voters should back him as california' next governor. earlier today, house republicans released aemo that alleges the justice department and fbi abused their surveillance powers. several democrats on the committee, including congressman adam schiff, are accusing
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congressman devin nunes of manipulating the contents of the classified memo. president trump allowed the release despite f objectionsm the justice department and fbi. this morning, he accused the two agencies of politicizing the investigative process. joining me now with more on this latest twist is congressman eric slawwell from the east way. what is yourreaction to the release of this memo? >> it's disturbing that the republicans in the house would to protect the president. they're asserting facts not supported by the evidence to protect the president in this russian investigation. they're doing it over the objectionof the fbi and in a first world democracy where never before have we seen de political l use police to attack our leaders. >> so from where you sit on the house intelligence committee, what will you at this point? >> the best way we can clean up
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the distortions that their memo has made is for the democratic memo to be released omonday. so we'll force a vote on monday when we retn and have a committee hearing. if our memo were released, you would see ten pages of details that lay t out true timeline here, that put into focus that th investigation occurred long before the steele dossier lande. it point out that fbi deputy director andy mccabe, that his characterization in the gop memo is just flatly wrong and mischaracterized. and that the fisa application is mischaracterized. i think the a will walk away seeing new, unseen evidence from our memo. but also the fbi's credibili will bolstered. >> you already tried to get that memo released lt week. the republican leaders on the committee said no. what do you think willathange this time? >> now they have the public to answer to, and the public
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sentiment right now i believe is outrage. outrage that they would trample all over the rule of law, and that they're going to wanto see, as i said, the evidence that corrects the record. >> president trump was asked today, what is his reaction to his, would he try to fire deputy attorney general rod rosenstein? and he said, you figure that one out. what do you think that means? >> president trump has shown a willingness clear out of his way anyone who has been a part of this investigation. you thin individuals who no longer at do fbi from sally yateso james yocomey, and now, of cour, andy mccabe retiringthis week or being forced out, he has an enemy's list, and o he, by one, is removing them from this investigation. we must do all we can in congress to protect bob mueer. there's legislation from republicans and democrats to do that. and if this not an alarm for
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us to do that when we get back, i don't know what is.u >> do think he would fire rosenstein? it looks like he's set theiumstances to fire rosenstein. people may ask why does it matter i he fires deputy attorney general rosenstein? because he set the parameters of mueller'sn.investigat he approved the --he's technically the person who would have to fire bob >> so let's just say hypothetically, rosenstein is fired, what would you do? ou also sit on the house judiciary committee, which would take up orimpeachment these proceedings if it were to hitpen? >> i andthe supp of others, would move to the house judiciary committy to take up impeachment proceedings. i believe that would be clear obstructioustice and the house must act. >> is that an effort you would lead? >> i would work with my colleagues and the leaders of the judiciary committee and our ranking member. having -- t i'm only democrat that serves on the intelligence
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committee and the judiciary i had a real look into the evidence that exists here. and i believed this wo a clear case of obstruction. but i believe our house laders have already said that's a red ne he can't cross. thepublican this is a case where there was abuse of surveillance power by the fbi and the justice t department, t carter page's constitutional rights were violated in thisase. is it possible that proper procedus and vetting procedures were not followed in this case? >>ha i haven't seen the fbi is w and we should look at all of theiti investis to make sure civil liberties are being protected. sure civil liberties are being protected. but what it los hike he the president is trying to go after the fbi to taint their investigation so that the public sentiment or approval of the fbi is reduced. so if moreme indis come against the president or his team, the public reaction could not be as condemning as it probablyou likelyd be.
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one other point, thuy, by the republicans rerring overto the white house this classified memo, before it became public, they essentially gave the white house piecesof evidence in the russia investigation that the white house and the presideyt ot have otherwise seen. that's important, because they're essentially allowing them now to tailor their testimony, the president or the white house counsel, aroundnc evi that they know -- now >> well, there's so much more to discuss on this. but i can't let y go without asking you about the budget. ne eal is february 8, ne thursday. democrats agreed to reopen the government after the shutdown last month with reassurance from republicans there would be good-faith negotiations on immigration. has that happened? h been de? >> negotiations are under way. i think it's reckless for us to continue to comp two to three weeks at a time. it's not fair to the american ople. we should be able to solve our
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immigration challenges, the challenges aroundso a funding you know, health care centers in our community, and our but we shouldn't do this two to three weeks at a time. that's not fair to the american people. i've seen student councils in elementary schools budget out further than tha >> whatould you need to see happen on daca, on immigration, a long-term upport budget bill? >> we can address the dreamer issue by givinghe certainty to nearly 700,000 dreamers who already signed up unacr if there are other issues around border security or reforming ou immigratprocess, we should look at those. right now the president is proposing that reform and fix daca and the tradeoff is that e legal immigration that's existed, like family reunification our country for over 50 years. >> that's a rnon-starte for you? >> it's non-starter for me. >> would you back another
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government shutdown if you can't reac a compromise? >> i'm not going to propose a shutdown, i'm going to propose we solve the issueswe were se to take care of. >> congressman, always great to have y on the program. >> my pleasure. today, president trump delivered first state of the union address. attending that was a young, undocumented immigration activist. joseph is the communications director for domented immigrants, a group that add kalows for undocumented black immigrants. >> thank you for having me, thuy. >> what was that like totattend thee of the union speech? > it was a very bitterswe experience. this was the largest delegation of undocument oed at the state the union. but we had to listen to the vitriol being spread
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>> well, te a little bit what your personal story is, because i know the mission is to get the stories of immigrants such as yourself. you came here at the age of 7. how did you get here? >> because my parentse wanted access to opportunities i otherwise wldn't hav if i had remained in central america. it was one of those experiences as the eldest child they knew i would be the closest one to access institutionsof higher learning, and they wanted me to get opportunities that they di. so as a result of that, they sent me to live with my maternal grandmother in the united states. >> you're part of the advocacy group that serves undocumented black immigrants. how big t isat population and how are you getting your message out? >> we have 619,000 undocumented black ople represented i the united states. as a result of that, we seek
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send our message by making sure that our voices are amplifieamp locally, dstatewide, nationally. so we go about it by doing op-eds,ws interv videos that showcase the diversity for the immigrant communi t. somethingt we often don't talk about enough. so when you have commenad that are by the president and his administration about blank hole countries and he's referring to haiti and countries on the african 'scontinent, tha what it look for a lot of people to understand that immigration is a black issue. >> what has life been like for you a an undocumented immigrant living under the trump administration? >> chaotic would be an understatement. in that each day we definitely do not know what's going to happen. a few weeks ago, we had the trump adnistration, as well as leaders from both parties, give a press conference or a have meeting in the midst of a press circus, and they spoke about the importance of being ableo pas a clean dream act. moments later, we heard rhetoric
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theyo wanted to so at the risk of family reunification programs, andalmost the elimination of diversity visas. so we don't know what to expect. we hear rhetoric that says clean dream act, but we hear attempts to use the 800,000 daca recipients against the remainder of the immigrant population. >> the latest proposal, he made it clear that he is willing to offer a 12-year path to citizenship for daca recipients, but bare that with billions of dollars for a wall along the mexican border and ghter restrictions on legal immigration. what do you think of that? at, that y part of you could support in place of a clean ei it is a very problematic proposal that's made, because for him to offer 1.8 million people, there's 11.5 million undocumented people in the united tates ofamerica. so to try to use 1.8 million or
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800,000 daca recipients against the remainder of the population is creating an us versus th mentality, which you're trying to label the hundocumented yo im coming here at no fault of their own, but a their parts and setting up families to be separated from one anothe becoming susceptible to deportation and elimination arom beie to provide for their families and create a sustainable lifestyle. while the pathway to citizenship is a great aspect, we're going longer dressing these term implications, which the remainder of the undocumented population is going to be less defense of themselves and that's something i can't g behin >> there are a number of people, especially conservative ns republiby offering a path citiz amnesty and feel that's wrong. they feel it's wrong to put dreamers ahead of the line. what do you have to say to snem >> first and oremost, there i
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no line for immigrants like myself. it would as a line, have been something we would have gotten in the process of. as for somebody that has been here 15 years, daca is a merit based program. i have to submit $495 every two years trenew, i have to pay taxes. i'm asking the government permission in order to work in thisountry and pay taxes. that to me does not read as a sandout. it'mething that we worked very hard for. and not to mention people have contributed to the social, p economic, aitical fabric of this nation. but it's anything but a handt. >> we'll have to leave it there. thank you for joining us. >> thank you so thuy. it's been one month since recreational marijuana became lel for adults in california. now san francisco residents, we'll see this week their slate wiped clean.
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thousands of concrick shvi expunged going back to 1975. welcome. >> thank you >> what are y hoping to accomplish by automatically erasing about3,000 misdemeanor marijuana convictions? >> there are three hings. number one, we know that most of the counities wereheavily impacted by the war on drugs and the war on maijuana, where people of color, the african-american community, poor people, and those people generally with the -- would be hard pressed to hireey an attor processhrough the legal to petition to have their convictions expunged or have a felony conviction reduced to a misdemeanor. we also know the impact of a criminal record and it often f government assistance, loans. on a felony ccase, you't even
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vote. so we want to ensure that we right that wrong. we al want to encourage other prosecutors the state to do the same thing. so we'reg creat blue print for this to occur in a way that it's painless to the individual. and th finally, we want to send a national message, we're in a ti where we have the national administration, the attorney general, you know, talking about marijuana being almost an existential threat to our communities. we still havea mariju a scheduled it's on equal par with heroin, and that obscene. if you talked to high school kids 30 years ago, they would laugh at this obscenity that has put marijuana at that level. when the law is not credible, it becomes hypocrisy. >> some look aewhat you've d and say it was a crime back then. so if you committed a crimeback then, it should stay on the
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cord, regardles of changes to the law. >> that sort of ignores the fairness of what it is right. it shouldn't have been a crime back then, and sendly, how arbitrary would it be that if you were arrested for a marijuana offense, december 31st of 2017, you were a criminal, but you engaged in the same conduct january 1 of2018, you're no longer a criminal. >> you talked about this when tulked about racial discrepancies and the way marijua laws have worked out with the enforcement. n 2011, african-americans made up6% of san francisco's population. they accounted for half o the city's marijuana related offenses. so with this new policy, what do you think will be the impact on discrepancy? what kinds of reform will it accomplish in the long run? >> i think it's the beginning of
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reducing the ha of decades old policy that's decimated poor people,in especially african-american communities. there are many studies that tell you that drug use in this country is distributed equally among the raci groups. some will say that sometimes the white communities, marijuana use is greater than in the african-american community. but when you see who the people that were arrested, and convicted, that went to jail and prison, it always seems to be people of color.ri and the n-american community has suffered the most in this process. >> i wanted to ask you about immigration. alderal immigration authorities wouldow agents to go to courthouses and make arrests. they say they will only target convicted criminals, gang members, and not take in family or friends or witnesses, for example, for deportation. what do you think of the
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directive? >> it's very wrongheaded, driven by phobic beliefs inhe new administration. i think the reality is, courts ought to be a pce where witnesses and victims can come in without being fearful they may be arrested because they're here without documents ore somehey know may be arrested b withouting here not being legal. >> but they would argue theu court is a safe place to make these arrests because of the metal detectors. >> here's the problem. we've seen t drop in number of violent incidents in the chinese and latino communities. we now have victims of domestic violent refuse to come to court because they are afraid that they may be subject to deportation. so it doesn't matter what the federal government says, their credibility with the immigrant
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community is nonexistent. i have my own doubts, and the problem is that this puts people t of >> and another immigration related issue, i.c.e. has just served 77 bay area businesses notices of inspection, demanding employment verification. atat do you think of t move, and is this the sign of a tougher crackdown to come? >> it was very interested the bay areactets se for this. it seems to be somewhat vindictive, given that th bay area has seemed to be in line with politics that does not seem to be what the president wants.e law enforcement engages in vindictive prosecution, nothing good comes out of it. >> ishere anything your office can do to counter this if a crackdown hppens? >> clearly the federal government has jurisdiction. ther's nothing that we ca do.
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i'm not suggesting they shouldn't do the work. i just findry it v odd that this region seems to be taking . >> thank you so much for joining us. >> my thank you as jerry brown serving o is final year as governor, there's a vigorous campaign to replace him. the early leader in terms of fund-raising and poll numbers, is gavin newsom. his campaign has raised nearly ng million, but he's fa criticism from his rivals over issues such as his support for single.payer cover scott shaffer sat down with gavin newsom earlier >> lieutenant governor newsom, thanks for coming in. >> great trebe >> you are running to succeed jerry brown. it wouldard to imagine two people more different than you two in terms of style, age, demeanor. so why are you the guy to replace >> i've known jerry my entire
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life. there's a lot of trh to that. stylistically, step up and step in. not as passive on certain issues. the knock on me is that i was the 12th member of t board of supervisors i was major o san francisco. i tend to want to lead reforms, not wait for them toand on my desk. what is is an issue thatou would be less passive in >> the issue of health care. in this country, 17.9% of gdp, conversation or pension ti conver. can't have a conversatis it relates to issues of smallsi ss growth, unless you're having health care conversation. high speed rail, it is in trouble. it's limping it is being built, but at the oment, it could be a train to nowhere. at what point would you abandon it? because there may not be federal seor privateor money? >> i don't want to speculate.
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the key is e private sector money. also continue to advocateor more federal dollars. we're patching this together and keeping it going. you have 1600 folks working as we speak.th is under construction, and the redesign of the first phase provides preyou fi s this for t. this is not a boondoggle, unless we abandon the vision. because we culdn't find funding. that's my commitment, to find the dollars. >> would you just see connecting the valleys and say that's all we can do? >> i have confidence we'll get mind. that will be a game changer up here. so the northern part o the state is best positioned to be well served, but i really feel a sense of responsibility toa southernfornia that's been left wanting in that respect,
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becausenegetting those t through and above into the san gabrielle mountains remains an open question an open wound for a lot of the eleed officials that have been critical. brown shy to say no to democrats when it comes tospending. will you say no? >> that was a word i used often as mayor of san francisco. >> what would you say no to? >> you have to balancee budget. but at the same time, i want to recognize a fundamental fact that unless we deal wi inco and wealth disparities and social mobility, the state is going to chanceon itself. 8 million people below the poverty line. a% at or near the poverty line. those stubborn facts that nextd ss. >> sexual has rocked sacramento.
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when this sexual harassment began to happen with harvey weinstein and it all unfolded, what questions did you have?t >>s very personal. my wife was the second person to ce out impacted directly by harvey. she had the courage to come forward and also to talk to me about what in ways she hadn't in the past, which was jaw as it relating to sacramento, all oseomen that came forward deserve affirmation, justice, and reforms. >> would you support penalties against legislator who are found guilty of harassment or sexual assault, and should the public be paying money for these settlements? i think the settle have to bing to light. it's unfortunate we've these ch asking questions. >> what questionwould youask? >> we are signing off ons
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ttlements to women c come forward. taxpayer dollars shouldn't be used for the malfeasance and ofnse that is occurring by legislative leaders or members of there has to be personal accountability that respect. >> one of the problems with the opes is the cash. what would you do about that? >> for the last year and a half, we've been promoting the ea of a sta bank, that's not going there are a lot of credit unions th are quiet accepting the cannabis cash, and are hopeful that t federal government stays pat and doesn't necessarily interfere with that. but this is not unique to california. you've got red states and blue states with medical marijuana that have the same open-ended questions. so i think eventually, and i hope in the near term, thiswill
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be addressed, the federal level will remove the status and this. >> you win, you'llfi take o in 2019, 2020 around the corner. can you say you wll not r for president? >> that is not my aspiration. lifornia will be well served by having a governor working full-time on the ate's business. and quite substantively, the one redret i hear more often privately of governor brown, he had hi off the ball and was doing a lot of things, where he had a presidential lens and not lens on california what a contrast to what he's accomplished in the last seven years, versus being focused elsewhere in the previous seven years. we need a governor working full time. >> did i hear you don't want to >> president of the united states? with all due spect, ex-president sounds like a great job. >> only one way to
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captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit : icap.org robeat happens when a president goes to war against the government leads? president trump approves the release of a disputedrepublican memo, alleging the f.b.i. and justice departmentbused their surveillance powe t we discu fallout civil and political tonight on "washington week." president trump: i think it's a disgrace. robert:e ignores warnings from e f.b.i. and signs off the release of a repubcan memo he says shows bias ainst him in the rusan probe. president trump: people shoulsh beamed of themselves. robert: democrats accuse the president of trying to discred robert mueller. >> this is not about the facts. this is about a
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