♪ >> tonight on kqed "newsroom," a mayor's controversial warning about immigration raids is now under review by the u.s.njustice depat. also, self-drivingvehicles get a big boost from california officials, but will there be speed bumps ahead. and tall cold glass of milk made with yellow tea. a new bok contends it is still very much a man's world in silicon valley and suggests how to change that. hello and welcome to "newsroom". i'm thuy vu. we begin with immigration. this week i.c.e. arrested undocumented immigrants in raids in calirnia. protesters rallied outside the i.c.e. field office in san

francisco. on saturday, oakland mayor warned the public abouti an mminent i.c.e. operation in the bay area, saying she did it to but a top i.c.e. official disagreed, criticizing the mayor for her, que, reckless decision that helped suspects flee and put i.c.e. agen at risk. joining me to talk about this is kqed justice and immigration reporter judy small. and executive director of the immigras rights group. welcome to you both. let's begin bylisten to go a clip of what he said. >> typically we find that a high percentage of them already have so kind of criminal conviction removed from the united states before, or they have an outstanding final order e be removed from united states. there is a misnomer out there

that we are just coecting up all of these people that have , ver had any kind of on encounter with ich is really not the case. >> sothat's the agent talking about what kinds of people they're targeting. and based on what you know, is .c.e. focusing on people who pose antual public safety risk, or that's not really the case? >> well, they do focus on that group. that's what they emphasize. when they report on these kind of operations. but they are also picking up people who have no criminal background but who have come in contact with i.c.e. or the immigrationsystem. they have been ordered deported. or they may have returned to the united states once or twice or multiple times. and that's another big group they're targeting which is dferent than how it was under the latter years of the obama administration. >> so, for example, the chronicle h a story about a family who has been here through the years.

he has an old dui conviction. of family is now at risk being broken apart. are those the stories that you're seeing playing out as ywell? >> . on over and over again. we're hearing a lot about it. we've covered some ourselves. is very heartbreaking. >> how are these affecting the undocumented communities that you work with? >> as you can imagine, many families and children are in fear, livingin a world of terror when their world has been turned up side-down. we knowamilies are not taking children to school or hospital visits because they're afraid i.c.e. might be there. and they have been informed that i.c.e. has been picking up individuals at courts.av so they been avoiding their court appointments. even just a small traffic ticket. it's causing a lot of havoc. >> what would you say to those who say these a people who broke immigration laws and therefore should not be in this

country and what i.c.e. is doing is justified? >> yeah. i think what we'reeeing is a war on immigrants and families being separated that have built their homes here and their chiropractor are citizens. they are contributing to our economy. know, are people that, you wouldn't pose a threat on our country. and i know many families are being separated. like she mentioned, folks who have had a dui maybe 20 years ago. they did their time. that shouldn't be a reason whyul someone sbe a threat because they have a dui. we know folks walkg on the street and i.c.e. stops them and picks them up. we should be aing why are our families being taken apart and what is thatbeessage going to saying to our community and the u.s. in the long term? theic ramions to that, to those family values, what we are causing to our children. >> the center of these raids hs been a controversial decision by open mayor libby shaft who putu

n early warning that this operation would happen. at the justice department, the request of the white house, said it will review the actions that mayor shaft took. julie, how much legal trouble could she be in and what kind of legal trouble could she be in? >> there is an understanding of confidentity between e.agencies. i. is required to notify all kinds of police departments,ri ss, anybody who is in that domain. they have to notify them before they do these arrests. for her to come out and say this is happening, took it a step further and it did give people an opportunity, maybe some of those people who were dangerous, to flee. >> and that is in fact, what i.c.e. is saying, there are about 800 people still on t loose, and they partially blame that on what the mayor did. is tat fair, do you think? >> i think there may be 800 people in the community, butdo bt they were trying to round them all up in this operation.

that would be a hugeat opn. i don't think that would have been possible. but i think it feedsntotheir narrative to say, oh, there's still 800 people out there and it's libby shaft's fault. >> and did the mayor do the righthing in the community you? i mean, how are people viewing this? >> i think the communi appreciates that notification. especially organizers that are holdie response networks, local and across northern california, to really allow the community to provide support is. many of these families have been torn apart. they require accompaniment, gal assistance. it adds another dimension of advocacy that is needed time to really bring to light that the families are being separated. really small matters are now being heightened as someone is o ific criminal, we don't want to pose the narrative that they

are promoteng. >> bit you said set off some panic in the beginning. did that make sense to do that? >> wl, i thihere is some panic. but it is important to follow up with tons of information an creating a safety net for the community so they know where to go for resources and who is available to help. and i think she follows that up in r pressonference the next day. that's been really helpful because people were able to connect with legal services, local orgizations that a helping families, and the rapid response is so people can call and g support as needed. >> mayor shaft's resistance does seem to mark an escalati in local resistance to president trump's immigration policies, going beyond sanctuary city protections. she took it proactive and took it a step further. how is this being viewed bay area wide, julie, as you talk to people about the raids, the

undocumented immigratitu ion? >> i think a lot of people feel torn about it. because like for families to benefit from having that information, that warning in advance, the people -- d you't really to bear the brunt of this enforcerant oon. but also people feel a little uncomfortable with the fact that she d law enforcement to maybe some additional risks. wh i spoke to eric bonner, the agency said they did, in fact, experience people confronting them in the streets. people were more resistant to being arrested.ey and tad people chastising the agents directly. >> and do you think that that was a direct result, though, of what mayor libby shaft did or it would happen naturally without her sounding the alarm? >> i think it wouldappen naturally but maybe it was heightened. maybe people felt heightened by that. >> thank you both. >> thank you for having me. you may have seen them in

the streets of san francisco, funnyooking cars with laser sensors and hard drives. they are self-driving prototypes. they are looking less and le like the stuff of science fiction. for the first time california dmv is allowing them to be tested without a human in the driver's seat to take control of the wheel. are the cars and the publicad for the driverless cars ahead? we talk to bernard soriano. he joins me via skype. hello to you. >> hi. thanks for having me. >> l,we the new rule allowing autonomous ca without humans inside takes effect april 2nd. why didhey decide to this? >> this is a natural progression of what we already have is in pl ce. we have had autonomous vehicle testing regulationseffective ever since september 2014. and to date, we have 50 companies that arepproved f testing their autonomous vehicles on california's public roadways. but that testg needs to have a

safety driver on board. so this is natural progression. it's the neck step. and now thesere regulations in place to allow manufacturers to conduct testing if they'rewready hout a human on board. and this is all around trying to improve safety. because the statistics are that we as a country a lot of people lose their lives due to traffic crashes. and the vast majority of those are because of the human choice. now, withus autono vehicles, you take the human out of the loop and the hope is that the number of crashes will be reduced. >> but if there's no safety driver behind the wheel, how can the company take control of these cars if there's an accident or an emergency? >> well, i think you're referring to ther concept of a ote operator. so for manufacturers that have a vehicle that's completely driverless and the vehicle encounters a situation thaleit

can't hamanufacturers will have the ability to sense what's around the vehicle and remote operator would have a very rudimentary a capability to maneuver that vehicle, say, to the side of the road. >> but these autonomous vehicles have had problems too. for one instance, an ube zoome through a red light on a busy san francisco stet. ow worried are you about the safety of these cars? are they ready? >> well, you know, safety has always been top priority for us. and that's our mandate, is to ensure the safe operation of these vehicles on our roadways. and so we've taken a lot of steps and deliberately developed these gulations to ensure the safe operation of these vehicles. e've always been concerned with safety. and we're -- we feel really good about how theseon regula have been crafted.

and we feel like it's something that is needed to ensure the technology.t of this >> and what about liability? what if you're in an accident and yet there'sr noer in the other car for you to get insurance information from? right. so the regulations speak to the -- all of those practical issues that need to be d. addres just like they're addressed now with drivers. and so manufacturers will have to come up with a law enforcement interaction plan. basically they need to be able to work with law enfcement where these vehicles are anticipated to be tested andde lop a plan on how, for edample, information is going to be excha with law enforcement should there be an issue. and all of thoset issues tw ondersement and first re need to be cognizant of. >> but if this tres effect 2nd, there is not much of a plan to come up with a plan like that. are you confidentanthat that

will be in place? >> well, what needs to happen is that manufacturers are going to apply to us for a permit to be able to test theirhiautonomous es without a driver. and so they need to meet certain things that are outlined in those regulations. to submithey need that application to us, and then we need to work with the manufacturer and ensur that all of those items are met before we issue out a permit. so it's not on april 2nd that manufacturers are going to be able to test. they still need to receive a permit from us in order toir conduct t test. >> mr. soriano, you have been following the development of all of this. when do you think these odd-looking prototypes will goh from they are now to mass produced vehicles on our road? 5 years? 10years? 20 years? >> well, that's a tough qurstion. manufas all have their own timeline when they will be rolling out these vehicles. but from where we sit, you know,

we know these vehicles are going to be t o roadways. and our job is toen some sure that i the proces in place and manufacturers with k get their products on the roadway. >> that wasn't quite a full answer, i think i will take that for now. bernard soriano wit the dmv. thank you very much. >> that you know for having me,t y. sticking with high-tech. vying to eate game-changing products and services. but according to a new book, is also a place where gender in equality and the mistreatment of women run rampant. joining me is breaking up the boys club of silicon valley, emily chang. >> thank you for having me.>> ow big a gender gap is there in the tech industry? >> women accoun for25% of jobs across the computing industry.

7% of venture capital investors, these are the people who decide what theyet to be the next facebook. andge women, like companies 2% of venture capital funding. n only are they underrepresented, they are not getting the money they need to start these potentially world-changing busisses. >> it wasn't always this way. you talk about women who played a formative role in the computer industry, grace hopper, lovelace. tell us about them. >> in the 1940s and 1950s, this is what surprised me. women playedital roles. they were programming computers for the military. programmin.computers for na and then in the 60s and 70s as the industry was exploding, they wereor desperate new talent. so a software company hired to psychologists to develop a personality testy to identif good programmers. and what they decideed that goor grammers, quote, don't like people. well, if you look for people who

don't like people, you'll hire far more men than women. that's what the research tells us. there is no rese to support this idea that people who don't like peoplr are bet at this job or men are better a lt this than women. but the stereotype persists to this day. o that's whyanies you think keep on hiring people who fit that stereotype? >> so is that test, for example, was used for decades es compas big as ibm. and that stereotype came toer ate not just the industry but computer labs and parents and families. and then it was repeated in popular culture. a lot of people told me, wow, this stereotype was created by tv and movies. fact, it wasn't. the tech industry created that stereotype. and it has perpetuated this idea that aar veryw group of people are good at this when i fact, man people of all backgrounds make these pnsducts. billof people are using

them, men and women. >> you also cite another example of power and balbi talking about the sex parties that happen in silicon valley. what happens at these gatherings? >> in silicon valley, work and personal lives are very internedmen intertwined. a lot of business happens at the bar, the hotel lobby, sometimes even in the hot tub.t i talk ab an investor who has hot tub parties at his hoane. these sex parties that you mentioned, the bay area has long had a tradition of sexual liberatio so there is a wide spectrum of social behavior that you see.nd in many ways these parties are a lot more about power than they are about sex. it is a power dynamic that is completely lopsided. >> i guess some peoe may argue the women are coming to t h parties e a good time and what is wrong with that? >> i spoke to over three dozen people, and several who have come forward since i wrote the

book, men and women. u know, the men describe a situation where they're challenging social mores and traditional morality, where the women feel like this is wherep erful people are but they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. if they attend the parties, they're disrespected or discredited. but if they don't attend, they're shut out of th important social gatherings. and, you know, some of the women i spoke to actually had -- felt they had to leave silicon valley in order to, you know, just do business on a level playing eld. and they decided to continue their businesses in new york. >> it's a bit ironic as you are saying all of this, people who pride tngmselves on disrup things, that kind of environment is not really disruptive at all. some would argue it is very much quo.status a lot of what has been happening. >> a tale as old as time. and i think part of the problem -- sexism exists everywhere. part of the probl with in

silicon valley, this is an industry that prides itself on changing the worldd being so progressive. and yet if you just look at the numonrs, the representatf women is just so horrifying. yes, there's sexism in hollywood, inn. washing but i would argue that in silicon valley it matters more than everywhere. this is an industry that is changing our liv every ay, controlling what we see, controlling what we horead. >> we live. >> the games that our children are playing. but i am n optimist even after two years of writing this book. people who are chaing the world, who solved all of these hard problems, they can change us toif they can get us to mars, self-driving cars, and give us rides at the push a button, they can hire more women and pay them fairly. >> elon musk has been very exitical of your book. he said, for mple, one of the

sex parties, he was there. but he said n lurid behavior happened when he was there. he thought its was a company party you said your account was salacious, misleading and you samuld be asd. how do you respond to that criticism? >> that particular party i never said that party was a sex party but that there was behavior that was very disturbing and mirror some of the behavior we see in some of these other environments. and i spoke to men and women at that party who felt uncomfortable who described drug use, cuddling in the middle of the floor. and one woman in particular who felt she was pressured into seal activity and who would not have been there if such powerful people had not been there. and so i came into this as a journalisve. i don't n agenda. i couldn't make this stuff up. and i uncover some things that i found very troubling. >> all right.me the n of the book is

brotopia. thank you s tmuch. ank you for having me and shining a light on these issues. it. preciate now to a business story of a different sort. aay area entrepreneur created a line of environmentally friendly cleaning products. in 2012, he sold the company and embarked on a new mission, to reduce the planet's carbon footprint. his new company is ripple in emeryville. a nondairy milk made from peas. that's right, peas. ripple foodso-founder adam lowry is in the studio. >> thanks for having is me, thuy. >> milk from peas. >> pea milk. peas are high in protein. and the situation right now is most alternatives toy da products are pretty bad dairy alternatives. they don't have any protein in them or have very little. most people agree they are thin andwatery. but making milk out of peas we are able toake something high in protein and creamy and

delicious. at the especially of the day, that's the way to get people to eat healthier, more nutritious and moreainable foods. >> you were a chemical engineer by training. a climate scientist at one point. where did the inspiration of this company come from? >> a big part of the storys my co-founder, ph.d. biochemist, he is the real scientist between the two of us. he created a way to get totally pure protei out of any plant source. when you do that, it is tasteless. many people don't know proteins have no flavor. if you get pure protein you can make fo out of that that are really delicious. they are foods that a lot more a people will b enjoy. >> you were also inspired by the philosophy of trying to cut down on the carbon footprint, right? >> yeah. >> tell us about>>that. do have a background as a climate scientist. that was a long time ago. it was the big part of my first

busines method to create social and environmental impact. oortunately, that's become a much mainstream idea now. food is even more personal and has even more impacts on our environment and on ourh, of course, than cleaning products. so that was my -- that's why i really wanted to get i into food. because it's very personal and it's very high impact. we need to something about our broken food system. and we need to do it through ods that are really delicious that people enjoy. >> and does causality of carbon products.nd dairyeat contribute. >> yeah. dairy is about a quarter of our f carbon foot print. food is 30% of our human carbonn foot that means dairy is 8% of humanity's carbon foot print. almond milk, for example, takes a lot of wati. >> annow this was also the inspiration behind your method cleaning products, your company.

you started it with your college buddy eric ryan. in the beginning you werely actua making different method formulas in your bathtub. >> that is sort of the most ironic place you can think of cleaning products coany being bor which is the bachelor pad of five guys in their mid 20s. >> probably not so clean bachelor pad. >> exactly

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