. tonight, the u.s. department of justice sues california over immigration laws. and the findings of a five-month t ed investigation in to w went wrong during the deadly wildfires, with her parents deported anddetained, a student must get along on her own. hello and welcome to kqed nooseroom, i'm thu vu, u.s. attorney general jff session launched a lawsuit over the immigrati immigration.

sessions spoke about the lwsuit in annual gathering of the california peace officers association in >> california absolutely appears to me is usingervery p it has, powers that it doesn't have, to frustrate federaw enforcement. stop protecting law breakers and giving our officers more dangerous worko , so that politicians can score political poin on the backs of officer safety. i can't accept that. >> governor jerry brown andrn state aty general fired back. >> this is really unprecedented for the chief law enforcement of the united states to out to california and act more like fox news than a enforcement this is a political stunt. it's not about the truth. it's not about protecting our state.

it'sbout dividing america. >> california is in the business of public safety. we are not in the business of deportations. >> joining me now to discuss this more is the deputy director of the california peace officer's wsociation. yoe in the room when attorney general jeff sessions mmee the announce. what was your reaction to the lawsuit he talked about? >> it was a mixture of both somewhat of an anticipation knowing how the federal dministration, the president's administration, viewed what was going on in california, especially regarding immigration. so, it was not a total shock, but i think for the nearly 200 cops in the room, they were utinterested to find where they may be potentially caught in the middle with this lawsuit d potentially any injunctions filed. >> so, what in general was if feeling in the room, would you say it was a tepid sponsor anac

em of the lawsuit? >> i think it was a bit of probably me on the tepid side. i think folks were -- there's a lot of uncertain questions to be answered regarding what rolel loaw enforcement plays in this whole battle, if they any role. because obviously, we are focused on just the folks that are committing crimes that are in the count jail system, especially one of the bills that was covered inha the lawsui to as b-54 relates to. i think there were questions that people were hoping for answers to. >> it limit hadson cooperay local, law enforcement officers with federal authorities on immigration. your group represents sheriff's deputies and officers, and law yoenforcement. feel you are caught in the

meda middle. can you expand on that? >> yes, we don't make the, la we just enforce them. our members, so, i think they were going about doing their business to ahere to sb-54 and now that there's a court battlel ind, i think there's questions about where does the local law enforcement stop and where do the feds take over. and i c may be allenge as we know, that may go all the way to the u.s. silreme court and wh we are in limbo, we are interested to see where it goes. >> how do you do your job then given the uncertainty around it? >> it's tough,n w an officer you know, takes an oath to be a peace officer, they are swor to uphold the federal constitution and the california constitution. right now, with the questions thill out i air, there's a suggestion that mr. sessions madeo kind of,ou know, delay implementation of -54 until

the suit is figured out. so, iio think the convers are happening right thousanow, want to be a part othe conversations about how to keep the community thsafe. infuture, those are conversations that have to happen. >> when sb-54, you andthers came in against it. others are saying that sanctiuay laws are for reporting crimes without fear of being deported, how do you feel about that? r yes, eyone wants crimes to be reported when they happeno obtain the best picture of what crimes are appening in california. we want them to be reported. for the sb-54 argunt, our interest has been the focus of the folks in t county jail and

sb-54 set limitations of where we can have conversations with our federal partners regarding those who have committed certain crimes. our real interest has been onnd that bill the attempt -- and the attempt to restrict those commications with the basis was the initial opposition of the bill. >> and jeff sessions said that the raid endangered the lives of ut there and law enforceme officers. where do you stand on what the mayor did? >> i don't think our folks tonight have a view one way or the other, the safety concerns were more i on the.e. agents. i'm sure that we are now performing the raids. in terms of any time you are approaching a home or serving a arrant, you don't know what is on the other side of the door. i think there's always safery co of any time that you are going to out inhe

community, what is unexpected. it's more of what hned in oakland, it's a concern and a fight for federal law enfor enforcement than the local officers. >> thank you for talking to uses. >>pleasure, thank you. >> now, for reaction, andur her analysis, scott schafer is next. >>thanks, our san francisco chronicle reporter john garafolli is here with us, thank you, david, let's start with you, this lawsuit this week from the department of justices against califnia governo brown, how unusual is it for the federal government to sue a state? >> it's done from time to time. obama's administration sd

north carolina a. the case is highly relevant to what we will be talking about today. >> and since you bring it up. the to sides of the debate, the state is saying, look, the tenth amendment says we can make the decisions of how we allocate resources in law enforcement and federal government is saying you cannot interfere with the federal law enforcement.oe how it break down? >> on the one side, the 10th amendment, you cannot be forced to enforce federal law. and on the other end we can't, the state of fcania, can't obstruct the lawful implementation of federal law. there's ways the federal government can ask for cooperation and entice coopation through grants. for the california legislation, have they gone over the line and gone to the obstruction side of

things? >> and let talk about political risks and rewards. there were a few minutes that went by after sessions spoke this week that i got in my box a fundraising pitch and donald trump sent out a pitch as well. how does it affect both parties in the individuals named? >> the newsome pitch was great. he bragged about being called aa embasment. he said if jeff sessions the not like me, then i doi right, donate here, most important. the professor will tell us, the legal case could take years to figure out and go through the court system. but the political impact could be felt in the mid term elections. so and the affect of this will contribute to increasing fear in immigrant communiti who are already freaked out that i.c.e. will come knocking at the door. and that's going y to, know,

likely charge the latino vote and it's going to help democrats. latinos vote 80% in california. >> in california. >> n california fordemocrats. so, it's going to be helping democrats d hurting republicans, who are impotent in california already as we know. >> there's a special election in pennsylvania and the dynamics are different. there's a republican incumbant that is getting a tough challenge from connor lamb that is taking a runth a seat. does it play out differently in a place like that? >> yes, it does, i grew up in western pennsylvania and i know the area well. that is trump territory. and so, but that race is very close. like too close to call at this point. but immigration is not a major issue here -- >> the tariff is more important. >> yeah, to that election than immigration. the -- they have two audiences.

one is in california that will help democrats and trump and sessions a of the country that is certainly to the red states. >> and o of the big problems for democrats is a, turn out is out elections and latinos tend to punch below -- you are saying perhaps this will change that? >> it's one in a series of things that c juice the la h -- latino turn-out. it's art of a narrative that is getting the immigrant and those who are, love them, out the pos. >> let's talk about the word "sink we "sanctuary," it came out in the '80s when there was dictator ships around the world, how wely u think reporters of sanctuary policies are doing in

plaining what it is, and what it isn't? >> i think not very well. when you hear sanctuary, you are implying more than what is true in the cases. the old testament type thing. geto the right city and you are safe. it's not like this with these yocases. whe are talking about sanctuary cities or state, it's allhbout how muc cooperation will the state and local officials provide to the federal government, to i.c.e. when i.c.e. wants to enforce federal law and really all the places are saying, is they will not cooperate until they have to like in response to a warrant. >>o voters understand it either of you? >> the republicans are seizing upon it, one of the guys running for governor john cox, and ssions came to visit, he put out a radio ad saying t it's liberal elite of the bay area and the sanctuary cities. it's a right and wrong thing. the people that came to the

countryt illegally broke law. that is it, black and white and that's how they are playing to the conservative base. >> interestingly, i bumped in to the press person for the assembly leader, and he said, we are telling everyone to not sy anything. er f-- for them, they feel it's no advantage to them. they are just letting it play out and they don't see it helping them at all. >> the folks running for governor, they are trying getf 41%e vote in the primary. that's how many people were eected to cast ballots for republicans, that's how they appealed to the conservative base. >> one of the people that fod themselves in the middle of this is oakland mayor, and they are looking to see if she otructed justice. what kind of a cases do you think they har could build? >> i don't think they have a case, she issued a general warning. let's suppose she did not do is

she called a couple employers d said, you know, you people might want to call in sick tomorrow and the day after. i won't tell you why, but. it was a different thing that she said. ing and you may have noticed that melinda hague the former u.s. attorney for northern district of california has volunteered to represent her pro bono if the justice department wants to proceed. but i d't see that she is committed a crime. politically, you will have another opinion. legal hadly not l-- legally not. >> first of all, it's 7% republicans in oakland, my home city. yeah, sheos does not political points on that in fact she raised her stature in the ba area. if she runs statewide later that may be a different story, but who knows. >> how many federal grants could you think -- she did get criticism from the mayor of may want to run again.

>> no matter had what libby oes, she will get something from the this. some bl-back. >> david, you referred to how quickly this could be pushed through the courts. it's in the sacramento district cou court. how quickly do youl think it w move? >> faster than people expect. the justice department has asked for a preliminary injunctions. >> explain that is this. >> a preliminary injuncaron is if a y says they think they have a strong probability of success on the merit and they can make a claim for irrepairable injury, they can seek the procedures to expedited and it's immediately appealable. i think we are loong at probably getting it to the u.s. supreme court thisfall. and perhaps we will see a decision march/april. >> quickly, trump is coming next week, what do you expect?

you going to roll out of the the red >>carpet? yes. you expect thousands of protesters saying, it will be the tewoodstock of p for the environmental community and, immigration communit everything to the left. >> and good for ratings on cablo tv no bt. >> wounderful. >> thank you bothery nch. >>w, an update on the north bay wildfires that broke out last october, killing 44 people. the latest reporting found wide-spread failures in the state and local emergency response systems. calls for ideevacuation d not go out until it was too late. joining me now with more on what they found, our politics and government reporter and our criminal justice repouter. thanko you both.

>> thank you for having us. >> you both snt five months investigating what happened with the fire, what were the most serious proble that you uncovered? >> i think as you mentioned the delays when, between first responders could see on the ground that trere was ly, really serious disaster happening and people needed to be evacuated and when the alerts went out to people.as it was the lesson being learned from this, there needs to be a better mef communication for the public, a better way to alert them when fire iswn bearing d on their homes. >> and to her point. napa county did not call homes and tell people to evacuate until the next day, it was not just a matter on of hours,xt th ay is a long delay. >> yes, and i think that gets to issues of training as well, that they had the different alert technologies in napa county that is different than what they have in sonoma county and the fire io

crashingundaries and the people sending out of the the alerts did not know how toend them out properly and who they were targeting when they sent them out. >> and how did the gaps inic commion affect residents as they were trying to figure out what was going on, where go, what to do? >> one of the big lessons is again, what happens when you call 9-1-1 and do they have the bility to telou where to go, how to flee. for example,e we spo a family up, the disea -- the dia the dad called 9-1-1 from the a neighbo they could not tell them that the fires were bearing down, he asked which w w do go, two options, this wayer or that that way, they didn know. that's something that we heard again and again. we partnered and i put out public record requess and in addition to the eevacuation delays, the other big thing that oe learned was that part of the

reason they were overwhelmed and when i say they, t dispatchersho were getting the calls, the 9-1-1 operators that were getting the calls from the public and the firefighters and pice on the ground is because a lot of fires had broken out because er in the day of the high winds and other conditions knocking down power lines. so, by the time that 9 or 10:00 is rolling around and the fires are hitting napa and sonoma, they have officers out responding to the smaller incidents, and there was a cascading affect. >> so expand on that, it was brought up the electcal power failures the equipment down, c arcing power lines. how did all of that create additional challenges for firefighters and electric fires get top prioty. why ithat? >> because they are so dangerous, you know, a sparking power line is deadly. and so, firefighters can't even

start rescuing people or puttins out f if there's a downed power line or a electrical issue invold with it, so, they have to wait for pg&e, the local ility here, to shut down the power remotely or send out a lineman to deal the electrical issue before they can begin dealing with the fire issue, let alone evacuating people that are threatened by the fire. it creates the built in l time. and then, also, had what was happening is there were so many of the electrical issues because of the way the grid works. it was like power line goes down, that power has to go somewhere else. it gets rerouted and it wa overloading the other lines, and then causing transformers to explode, thatreere creating fires, it was like, again, a cascading affect of electrical issues causing more electrical n issues, t down more of the power grid. >> so the county officials, did they consider asking pg&e to shut off power. that is standard procedurer in southern and eastern states when

hurricanes occur. ? right, and it' something that i think california is grappling with, we have seenn souther california, cal fire, the state fireghter agency that is dealing on the ground with a lot of stuff. they ask the utilities down there to do this. because of deadly fires. and inhis case, cal fire, and northern california said it was not our procedure, we didn't even think to ask them. it's not historically been the way operate and i think that gets to the idea that we want to make the point, that active e responders w heroic that night. they were all working inwh ovming conditions and did everything that they could to save lives. and the system failed them. this reliance on this is t procedure ans is the way we do it, did not allow them to p changecedure as fast as the fires of moved. so, now, cal fire and pg&e are in conversations with state regulators to have the conversations, y know,urning off power comes with risk of its own with people with medical devices and stre lights go

out, it could hamper other rescue efforts, it seems in the case, with the winds and all of the conditions happening, that they really should have considered that at least. >> so, we are talking a lot about equipment, andnc differ in alert systems, but some of it came down to justtn the s decision making and part of what you talk about earlr, the delays in texts and alerts going out, wa based on the thought by county officials well if they put it out too soon, it could cause panic, people wil flee, they will clog the roads and people will be stranded as the res approach. what is being done to address that? because we aving a new norm now with climate change and severe weather patterns, we are seeing more and more severe fires. >> yeah, and i think again, that's one of the big that we are seeing with things pn being puto affect. they did not use the wireless alert. sonoma were worried abo the

clogged roads and did not p one out. in the thomas fire, they use the state stepped in and said, we will do it and overrode the . count and i think changes at the federal level to how they work will help them be more effective. >> we have 30 seconds what are the things to prevent it from happening again? >> we mentioned the utility, pg&e is looking at shutting down powert prevtively, and i think the lessons that are being learned inir the are finally being elevated to the state level, so they are talking about new state level standards ins terf requiring people to have, requiring counties to have a certain level of alerts h s i place before the next disaster strikes. >> great work, good investigation, thank ynk both. >> tyou. >> thank you. >> and amid the news ofat immin raids and detentions, we take a look now at what happens to family

members that are left behind. our nxt story is about high school senior, jennifer bravo. >> it all started at the ihop in lodi. >> i remember we were eating breakfast, it was a normal day. we were going too to church, and then we were going to go visit santa cruz f the first time as a family. >> as i was reversing out ofhe parking lot, i hear a knock on my window and i look up and see the i.c.e. badge of like an officer. so, then, i look over like i realize that there was like officers in front of the car, two behind the car and then there was an officer to my mom side of the car. immediately in my head, i thought that she was going get deported like no doubt about it. and all i remember is my brother and sister crying in the seat and i just thought to myself, like, what am guyii goio

do. i have two little kids to take care of, how do i take care of these ttle kids when i'm 16 years old myself. >> she is a high school senior, and a u.s. citizen but her parents are not. jennifer is one of 5 million american kids that have undocumented kids and hundreds of thohaands have been separated from a parent by detention. her father was deported when she was 12 to next her mother who was previously arrested for a dui wasd appre apprehended a year ago. since then she has seen herth in person twice. her younger siblings are with relatives and she is staying with her boyfriend's family while her mother is detained in a detention center in bankersfield. >> i ow, mom.

bye. >> you have seen a lot of situations where you have parents thatre documented and at the same time, u.s. citizen children.te so, it's the sis doubly failing them. her father was aeady deported unjustly, did not get to speak to an attorney. just one day he was picked up d next he was gone. and now, she is kind of being retrauma ti retraumatized by that whole in th. >> jennifer has attended all of her mother's hearings in san francisco, this time she got the rare chance to s her mother by video teleconference. >> after a year in detention,

jennifer's mother has another court hearing next week. jennifer hope this is time, she will be released. >> and that will do it for us, you c find moref our coverage at kqeoi.org/newsroom. i'm thu vu, thank you.

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