. tonight, the u.s. department of justices s california over immigratn laws. andghe findis of a five-month kqed investigation in to what we wrong during the deadly w wildfireh her parents deported and detained, a student must get alongn her own. hello and welcome to kqed nooseroom, i'm thu vu,.s u attorney general jeffessions launched a lawsuit over the immigrati immigration. sessions spoke about the lawsuit

in annual gathering of the p californiaeace officers association in sacrameto. >> california absolutely appears to me is using every power i has, powers that it doesn't have, to frustra federal law enforcement. stop protecting law breakers and givingurfficers more dangerous work to do, so thatol ticians can score political points on the backs of officer safety. i can't accept that >> governor jerry brown and state attorney general fired back. >> this is really unprecedented for the chief law enforcement of the united states to come out to california and act more like fox news than a law enforcement officer. this is a political stunt. it's nothe about truth. it's not about protecting our state. it's about dividing america.

>> california is in the business of public safety. we ar not in the business of deportations. >> joining me now to discuss this more is the deputy director of the california peace officer's association. you were in room when attorney general jeff sessions made the whnouncement. was your reaction to the lawsuit he talked about? >> it was a mixture of both somewhat of annticipation knowing how the federal administration, thet'presid administration, viewed what was going on in iacalifo especially regarding immigration. so, it was not a tal shock, but i think for the nearly 200 cops in the room, they were interested to fd out where they may be potentially caught in the middle with this lawsuit and potentially any injunctions filed. >> so, what i feeling in the room, would you say it was a tepid sponsor an embrace of t lawsuit?

>> i think it was a bit of probably more on the tepid side. i think folks were -- there's a lot of uncertain questions to be answered regarding what role local law enforcement plays in this whole battle, if they play any role. because obviously, we d re focu just the folks that are committing crimes that are in thecounty jail system, especially one of the bills that was covered in theawsuit has to as b-54 relates to. i think there were questionser that people hoping for answers to. >> i limit hads cooperation by local, law enforcement officers with federal authorities on immigratio your grouppr reesents sheriff's deputies and officers, and law enforcement. you feel you are caught in the

meda middle. can you epand on that? yes, we don't make the laws, we just enforce them. our mbers, , i think they were going about doing their business to adhere to sb-54 and now that there's a court battle involved, i think's questions about where does the local law enforcement stop and where do the feds take over. and it may be a challenge as we know, tt may go all the way to the u.s. supreme court and while we are in limbo, we are interested to see where it goes. >> how do you do your job then given the uncertainty around it? >> it's tough, when an officer you know, takes an oath to be a peace officer, they are sworn to uphold theon federaltitution and the california constitution. right now, with the questions still out in the air, there's a suggesion that mr. sessions made to kind of, you know, delao implementof sb-54 until the suits figured out.

so, i think thereonversations happening right thousanow, and want to be a part of the nversations about how to keep the community safe. in the future, tre conversations that have to happen. >> when sb-54, you and others came in against it. others are sayg that sanctiuary laws are for reporting crimes without fear of being deported, how do you feel about that? >> yes, everyone wants crimes to be reported t wheny happen to obtain the best picture of what crimes are happening in california. we want them tre be ported. for the sb-54 argument, ourin rest has been the focus of the folks in the county jailnd sb-54 set limitations of where

we can have conversations with our federal partners regarding those who have committed certain crimes. ourealnterest has been on ohat bill and the attempt -- and the attempt restrict those communications with the basis was the initial opposition of the bill. >> and jeffs sessi said that the raid endanged the live of out there and law enforcement officers. where do you o stawhat the mayor did? don't think our folks tonight have a view one way or the other, the safety concerns were more onhe i.c.e. agents. i'm sure that we are now performing the raids. in terms of any time you are approaching a home or serving a warrant, you dot knowhat is on the other side of the door. i think there's always safety concerns of any time that you are going to out i the

community, what is unexpected. it's more of what happened in oakland, it's a concern and a fight for federal law enfor enforcement than the local officers. >> thank you for talking to uses. >> my easure, thank you. >> now, for reaction, and furtheranalysis, scott schafer is next. >> thanks, our san francisco chronicle reporter john ol gari is here with us, thank you, david, w let's stah you, this lawsuit this week from the department of justices against california gvernor brown, how unusual is it for the federal government to sue a state? >> it's done from time to time. obama's administration suedh nocarolina a.

the case is highly relevant to what we will be talking about today. >> and since you bring it up. let's talk about that.s the to side of the debate, the state is saying, look, the tenth amendment says we can make theo decisionow we allocate resources ilaw enforcement and federal government is saying yoo c interfere with the federal law enforcement. bhow does iteak down? >> on the one side, the 10th amendment, you cannot be forced to enforce federal law. and on the other end we can' the state of california, can't obstruct the lawful implementation of federal law. there's way the federal government can ask for cooperation and entice cooperation through ants. for the california legislation, have they gone over theine and gone to the obstruction side of things? >> and let's talkbo

political risks and rewards. there were a few minutes that went by after sessions spoke this week that i got in my inbox a fundraising pitch and donald trump sent out a w pitch asll. how does it affect both parties in the individuals named? >> the newsome pitch was great. he bragged about being called an embarrassment. he saidtf jeff sessions the like me, then i'm doing right, donate here, most important. the prossor will tell us, t legal case could take years to figure out and go through the court system.he but political impact could be felt in the mid term elections. so and the affect of this will contribute to increasing fear in immigrant communities who are already freaked out that i.c.om will knocking at the door. and that's going to, you know, likely chargeheatino vote

and it's going to help democrats. latinos vot 80% in california. >> in california. >> in california fts democ so, it's going to be helping democrats and hurti republicans, who are impotent in california already as we know. >> there's a special election in pennsylvania and the dynamics are diffent. there's republican incumbant that is getting a tough challenge from con lamb that is taking a run at the seat. does it play out differently in a place like at? >> yes, it does, i grew up in western pennsylvania and i know tharea well. that is trump territory. and so, but that race is very close. like too close to call at this point. but immigration is not a major issue here -- >> the tariff is more importan >> yeah, to that election than immigration. the -- they have two audiences.

one is in california that will help democrats and trump and sessions are playing to the trst of the co that is certainly to the red states. >> and one of the big problems for democrats isa, turn out is out in elections and latinos tend to punch below -- you arei s perhaps this will change that? >> it's one in a series of things tt coulduice the la h -- latino turn-out. it's part of a narrative that is getting the immigrant community and those who are, love them, out to the polls. >> let's talk about the word "sink we "sanctuary," it came out in the0 s when there was dictator ships around the world, how well do you think reporters of sanctuary policies are doing in explaining wha, it and what

it isn't? >> i think not very weln wou hear sanctuary, you are implying more than what is true the cases. the old testament type thing. get to the right city and you are safe. it's not like this with these cases. when you areng about sanctuary cities or state, it's all aboutraow much cooon will the state and local officials provide to the feneral gover to i.c.e. when i.c.e. wants to enforce federal law and really all the places are tying, isy will not cooperate until they have to like in response to a warrant. >> do votersnderstand it either of you? >> the republicans are seizing upon it, one of the guys runni for governor john cox, and sessions came visit, he put out a radio ad saying it's the liberal elite of the bay area an s thenctuary cities. it's a right and wrong thing. the people that came to the country illegally broke the law.

that is it, blacknd white a that's how they are playing to the conservative base. >> interestingly, i bumped in to the press person for the assembly leader, and he said, we are telling everyone to not say ything. er f-- for them, they feel it's no advantage to them. theyare just letting it play out and they don't see it helping them at all. >> the folks running for governor, they are trying get 41% of the vote in the primary. that's how man people were expected to cast ballots for republica, that's how they appealed to the conservative base. >> one of the people that foundn themselves the middle of this is oakland mayor, and they are looking to see if she obstructed justice. what kind of a cases do you think they have or could build? >> i don't think the a case, she issued a general warning. let's suppose she did not she called a couple employers and said, you know, you people

might wt to call inick tomorrow and the day after. i won't tell you why, but. it was a different thing that she said. generalized warning and y may hav noticed that melinda hague the former u.s. attorney for the northern district of california hate volered to represent her pro bono if the justice department wantso proceed. but i don't see that she is committed a crime. politically, you will have another opinion. legal hadly not l-- legally not. >> first of all, it's 7% republicans in oakland, my home city. yeah, she does not lose political points on t she raised her stature in the bay area. if she runs statewide later that may be a different story, but who knows. >> how many federal grants could you think -- >> she did get criticism from the mayor of city council who may want to run again. >> no matter hadhat libby does, she will get something

from thethis. some blow-back. >> david, you referred to how quicklyushis could bed through the courts. it's in the sacramento district cou court. willuickly do you think it move? >> faster than people expect. the justice department has askeo a preliminary injunctions. >> explain that is this. >> a preliminary injunction is if a party says they think they have a strong probability of s cess on the merit ahey can make a claim for irrepairable injury, they can seek the procedures to be expedited and it's immediately appealable. i think we are looking at probably getting it to the u.s. supreme court this fall. and perhaps we will see a decision march/april. >> quickly, trump i n comingext week, what do you expect? you going to roll out of the the red carpet?

>> yes. you expect thousands of protesrs saying, it will be the woodstk of protest for the environmental community and, immigration community. everything to the left. >> and good for ratin on cable tv no doubt. >> wounderful. t> thank you both very much. >> now, an updaon the north bay wildfires that broke out last october, killing 44 people. the latest reporting found wide-spread failures in the state and local emergency response systems. calls for eevaction did not go out until it was too late. joining me now with more on what they found, our politics and government reporter and our criminal justice reporter. thank you to you both. >> thank you for having us.

>> you both spent ftive m investigating what happened with the fire, what were the most serious problems that you uncovered?i >>ink as you mentioned the delays when, between first responders could see on the ground that there was really serious disaster happening and people needed to be evacuated and when the alerts went out to people. it sos the last l being learned from this, there needs to be a better method of communication for the public, a better way to alert them when fire is bearing down on their homes. >> and to her point. napa county did not call homes and tell peoe to evacuate until the next day, it was not just a matter on of hours, the next day is a long delay. >> yes, and i think that gets to issues of trainings well, th they had the different alert technologies i napa county that is different than what they have in sonoma county and the fire is crashing boundaries and the people sending out of the thets

alid not know how to send them out properly and who they werey targeting when t sent them out. >> and how did the gaps in communication affect residents as they were trying to figure out what was going on, where tot go, wha do? > one of the big lessons is again, what happens when you call 9-1-1 and do they have the ability to tell you where to go, how to fler xample, we spoke to a family up, the disea -- the dia the dad called 9-1-1 from the nghbor and they could not tell them that the fires were bearing down, he asked which way do we go, two options, this wayer or that that way, they didn't know. that's something that we heard again and again. we partnered and iut out public record requests and in addition to the eevacuation delays, theer big thing that we learned was that part of the reason ty were so overwhelmed and when i say they, the

dispatchers who were getting the calls, the 9-1-1at opers that were getting the calls from the public and the firefighters and police on t i groun because a lot of fires had broken out way earlier in the day because of the high winds and other conditions knocking down power lines. so, by the time that 9 or 10:00 is rolling around and the fires are hitting napa and sonoma, they have officers out responding to the smaller incidents, and there was a cascading affect.o >> expand on that, it was brought up the electrical power failures the equipment down, c arcing power lines. how didll of that create additional challenges fore fghters and electric fires get top priority. why is that? >> because they are so dangerous, y know, a sparking power line is deadly. and , firefighters can't even start rescuing people or putting

outf fireshere's a downed power line or a electrical issue involved with it, so, they have to wait for pg&e, the local utility here, to shut down the powerel rem or send out a lineman to deal with the electrical issue bnfore they begin dealing with the fire issue, let alone evacuateog le that are threatened by the fire. it creates the built in lag time. and then, also, had what was happening is there were so many of e thectrical issues because of the way the grid works. it was like power line goes down, that power has to go somewhere else. it gets rerouted and it was overloading the other lines, and then cusing transformers to explode, that were creating more fires, it was like, again, a cascading affect of electrical issues causing more electrical issu os, taking down more the power grid. >> so the county officials, did they consider asking pg&e to shut off power. that is standardu procer in southern and eastern states when hurricanes occur. ? right, and it's something that i

think california is graling reth, we have seen in southern california, cal the state firefighter agency that is dealing on the ground with a lot of st tff. they ae utilities down there to do this. because of deadly fires. and in this case, cal fire, and northern california said it was not our procedure, d wen't even think to ask them. it's not historically been the way we operate and i think that gets to the idea that we want to make the point, that active responders were heroic that night. they were allorking in overwhelming conditions and did everything that they could to save lives. and the system failed them. this reliance on this is procedre and this is the way we do it, did not allow them to hange procedure as fast as the fires of moved. so, now, cal fire and pg&e are in conversations with state regulators to have the conversations, you know, turning off power comes with risk of itt own people with medical devices and street lights go out, it could her other rescue efforts, it seems in the

case, with the winds and all cf thditions happening, that they really should have considered that at least. >> so, we are talking a lot about equipment, and diinfferens alert systems, but some of it came down to just on the spot of what making and part you talk about earlier, the delays in texts and alerts going out, was based on the thought by county officials well if they put it out too soon, it could cause panic, people will flee, they will clog the roads and people will be stranded as the . fires approac what is being done to address that? becaoe we are having a new now with climate change and severe weather patterns, we are seeing moreor and severe fires. >> yeah, and i think again, that's one of the big lesso that we are seeing with things p beg put in to affect. they did not use the wireless alert. sonoma were worried about the clogged ads and did not put

one out. in the thomas fire, they use them. the state stepped in and said, we will do i and overrode the icounty. anhink changes at the federal level to how they work will help them be more effective. >> we have 30 seconds what are the thingsorevent it from happening again? >> we mentioned the utility, pg&e is looking athuting down power preventatively, and i think the lessons thatre being learned in the fire are finally being elevated tthe state level, so they are talking about new state level standards in terms of requi people to have, requiring counties to have a certain level of alerts h s i place before the next disaster strikes. >> great work, good investigation, thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> and amid the news of immigration raids and detentions, we take a look w no t happens to family members that are left behind.

our next story is hbout ah school senior, jennifer bravo. >> it all started at the ihop in lodi. >> i remember we were eating breakfast, d it was a normay. we were going to go to church, and then we were going to g visit santa cruz for the first time as a family. >> as i was reversing out of the parking lot, i hear a knock on my window and i look up and i see the i.c.e. badge of like an officer. so, then, i look over like i realize that there was like two officers in front of the car, two behind the car and then there was an officer to my mom's side of the car. m immediately i head, i thought that she was going get deported like no.oubt about and all i remember is my brother and sister crying in the ba ick seat a just thought to myself, like, what am guyii goio

do. i have two littl kids to take care of, how do i take care of these two little kids when i'm 16 years old myself. >> she is a high school senior, and a u.s. citizen but her parents are not. jennifer is one of 5 million ameratan kids have undocumented kids and hundreds of thousands that hav been separated from a parent by detention. her father was deported when she was 12 to next. her mother who was previously arreed for a dui was apprehe apprehended a year ago. sinc then she has seen her mother in person twice. her younger siblings are with relatives and she is staying with her boyfriend's family while her mother is detainedn a detention center in bankersfield. >> i know, mom. okay, bye.ou

>> have seen a lot of situations where you have parents that are undocumented and at the same time, u.s. citizen children. so, it the system is doubly failing them. her father was already deported unjustly, did not get to speak to an attorney. just one day he was picked up and next he was gone. and now,f she is kind being retrauma ti rraumatized by that whole thing. >> jennifer has attended all of her mother's hearings in san o, francishis time she got the rare chance to see her mother by video teleconference.er >> a year in detention, jennifer's mother has another court hearing next week.

jennifer hope this is time, she will be released. >> and that will do it for us, you can find more of our coverage at kqed poom.org/newsr i'm thu vu, thank you.

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