after two days of lengthy testimonybo by fack ceo mark zuckerberg, calls intensify for greater regulation of tech companies. as tensions over sanctuary policies remain high, we talked to oakland mayor libby schaaf about the challenges and opportunities facing her city. plus, planned parenthood fterident is stepping down more than a decade at the helm. she talks about her new book and the fight over womens health. i'm thuy vu. we begin with facebook and its efforts to r tain therust of not only its users, but also wmakers. this week facebook ceo mark zuckerberg began two days of l congressionestimony before dozens of skeptical lawmakers,g appear for 44 senators in a joint hearing of the judiciary

committees,e zuckerberg began his testimony with an apology. >> but it's clear now that we didn't do enough to prevent these tools from being used for, harm as welhat goes for fake news, foreign interference in elections and hate speech as dawell as developers an privacy. we didn't take a broad enoughw v of our responsibility, and that was a big mistake. and it was my mistake. ani'm sorry. tarted facebook. i run it. and i'm responsible for what happens here. facebookdmitted that as many as 87 million users may haveeen had their data accessed by cambridge analytica. despite zuckerberg's explanation of the'r steps the taking to stop misinformation campaigns, doubts remain about the company's commitment on those nsues. some ors raised the possibility of regulating facebook, including louisiana republican john kenned

>> ourig promisedital we have discovered has mine fields. here's what's going to happen. there's going to be a whole bunch of bills introduced to regulate facebook. it's uppa to you whether theys or not. you can go back home, spend $10 million on lobbyists and fight us, or you can go back home and help us solve this problem. >> to discuss all of this now, i'm joined by kqed silicon valley reporter sam har net. mary ross, the coauthor of the california consumer elivacy act. me to you all. >> thank you. >> nate, whattruck you the most during the congressional hearings? >> well, one of the things that struck me the most was the way that zucke erg wasvery good at not answering the question asked. as anex ple, the senators

asked repeatedly something along the linesof, can i delete my data off facebook, or can what facebook has on me, and he answered yes, of cour, you canet delete all the data. it doesn't count data that facebook gathered on you in other ways, bought from datab kers, gathered from tracking you around the internet, gathered on you from your friends o from your device. and that silence spoke volumes to me. >> so it wasn't an inaccurate answer, it was just an incomplete answer? >> it was an incomplete answer and the senators and congresspeople glarj didn catch that. they didn't understand then qualificati >> the amount of data they have is tremendous because, sam, i know you went onbofa, downloaded all they information they had on you. what did iu find? >>f you have facebook, i would encourage you to do this. go to the websitend download your whole file. it's got everything i ever

posted in time line. >> for 13 years? >> 13 1/2 years, every did you mean comment i made, every stupid photo i took. >> what did you tnk when you saw all that information? >> the reaction was that yeah, they can generate a pretty good profile. back when i was in college i wasn't thinking about that when i was putting those things on. it was to quantify what that was worth to facebook. we did abr kdown based on their revenue. we found the average u.s. profile according to a couple analysts is around 250 bucks a year, which facebook monoties from the wor that i've done uploading all this stuff. >> and so a lot of the focus that's been on facebook, there are a lot of organizations, a lot of other companies that are collecting data as well, right,a ? >> that's absolutely true. what we found is there's a whole industry of dat brokers, including ite. get an evite every week for a

different birthday party. they're taking that information and then selling the presence od chn in the household, your religious affinity, if you use alcohol. >> i tnk a lot of theople i interviewre saying a little cliche that if it's free, you're the product. so if you're using an internet service and you're not paying a subscription fee or making a donation, then they are u monotizing and your data. >> except when you go on evite, ou see advertisements, so you're still paying with your eyeballs but on top of that they're selling personal information. >> you were with the group californians for consumer privacy, but you were part of the house intelligence committ, you have studied surveillance issues for a long time. >> absolutely. >> and now you're helping to measure thallot would give consumers more control over the privacyf their data in california. what would that measure do? >> the measure does three

things, it gives onsumers right to find out what personal information corporations are collecting skpaubt your children, it gives you the right to tellom theny to stop selling your personal information and find out what'r th selling. and then if you're going to collect my personal information, just implemt reasonable security measures to safeguard it. >> there are ctics at the chamber of commerce saying the measure will stiflennovation and open companies to huge liabilities. is too broad, treat every piece of information exactly the same. what are yogh th? >> this is really justs common se regulation. all we're saying is tell me what you're collecting on me instead of having a p privacyicy. i'm a lawyer and i read many of these and they're clearly written to protect these corporations and not the consumer. the pact that was formed to fight us,,t was facebo google, comcast, at&t and

verizon. hey want to do is monoties you. they chargeou every month for a service that sometimes is and sometimes isn't, andet they're still selling your personal r intion. >> facebook this week where do you its opposition to that measure. >> it did. >> nate, the company has made, you know, a lot out of the fact that it recently cut off t access that advertisers have to information from third party databrokers. is that enough. >> no, it's not. they didn't ctually cut off their entire relationship with the data brokers. they only tminated one program which was called partner categories which was only one way of microtargeting users. facebook admits there are other ways that it use data broketa to give o advertisers to microtarget. but what those other relationships that facebook hit data brokers, they won't say. >> what else needs tbe done?

>> we're demanding transparency, we're demanding facebook open up their data practices to independent third partyo auds so that we as the american eublic can have confidehat facebook is treating our data with the respect it desers. u.s. is trailing europe in this respect. thegd goes into effect next month in europe, and thingske the california consumer privacy bill woul start to bring back equity to americans. we needomething like the california bill that mary'sat organin does. >> there has to be a meningful orcement mechanism. clearly facebook can't self-police there's another company that came out last week that was doing the same thing as cambridge analytica and they dn't even do anything about it until the news came and told

them about it. >> two interesting points. as a reporter,le a lot of pe have said you got to remember that the average user is tied to the trump election. people areking at cambridge analytica saying, hey, how did you do that? obama did a similar thing with his campaign. he had targeted ads on social media. so this is part and parcel of what facebook does and advertiser do it every single day. so it's interesting to think we're having outrage now, but this has been part of the business model. a tech reporter i think a lot about reminding people what these companies are. you have to look at t howy generate revenue. gathering data and advertising tsyou is how facebook ma its money. there's an inherent kind of e drive orine to gather data. even ife they say weing to do better, there's incentive to gather more data because that's their bus model. >> there's a line between what's

acceptable and what's not. if i'm seeing an advertisement that is -- we're all carrying around phones and i might e the only one seeing a particular advertisement. so the incentive there is to membership me, whether it's a political advertisement or to buy something i might not know i want. there's no check on there what they're doing is above board and okay. >>hat struck me during the hearings is the lawmakers didn't seem to have a unified view of what the problems r. what does this mea in terms of regulation? what do you think congres will do next? >> congress will do nothing. they're good at doing nothing. if congress does something like the honest ads act,e looks l it has a decent chance of passing. >> go ahead. >> it would requir political advertisements to have a disclosure of who paid for it,

essentially. t simil what we have on television these days. beyond that, i think the chances of meaningful regulation coming out of the u.s. congress are fortunately pretty slim. >> let me conclude with this. are we at an inreflection point do you think? privacy dates they've had in the past, google once collected private w-fi information to build google maps. there was outrage and nothing happened. do you think it's diffeent this time? >> i sure hope so. what we need is an enforcement mechanism with teh. we need the ftco enforce its 2011 consent decree against facebook. and we need them to p a meaningful price for that abuse. >> ourbe initiative wil on the ballot in november so californians will have power to take control over theiroersonal iation. >> thank you all, mary ross, sam

har net, kqed'silicon valley reporter and nick car doe zoe, thanks to you all. >> thank you. in l politicians, oakland mayor libby schaaf receives flak over immigration in february. donald trump called her actions an obstruction. meanwhile the city continues to grapple with hanging onto its beloved sports teams and a continuing homelessness crisis. joining me now talk about this facing oakland is oakland mayor libby schaaf. wenkcome. >> tyou, great to be here. >> you continue to be in the cross hairs of the department of justice. yesterday the department of justice sent the city of and several other cities a letter demanding that the city turn over documents that could show oakland is breaking federal law by restricting what information police can share with immigration agents. were you surprised to sethis

letter? >> i wasn't because it's similar to a letter that's been sent to many jurisdictions across the country looking for proof tt the city is in compliance with federal law. we are researching the lettert rigw and intend to respond to it. >> will you turn over documents? >> again, they're looking for proof we're not in violation of federal law. we cannoturn over information that we don't, in fact, collect. we have been very careful and california has bee careful to assert our sanctuary status, which we believe is our absolute right but to do it within the confines of >> the press release that the doj sent out cites you specifically, names you specifically. what was your reaction when you that? >> well, it certainly has been a surreal experience tbe mentioned by name by the president, by thettorney general. but i cannot tell you how

grateful i am to live in a community where i am supported to defend my community, every member of it regardless of where they came from and to really try and rai the consciousness that there is something wrong our policies when we are ripping families apart,aricularly law-abiding residents that give so much t o communities. >> you certainly have your supports, sutmany say as you do this works are you concerned at all aboutederal fundag? in this lst letter, the justice department is tloengtak back funding who those cities that don't comply. do you feel that you are at risk for having grants revoked? >> i do not. rnhave faith in our different branches of gont that the judicial system is protecting us from overreach of executives.

we have been unfade to assert our values and stand up to bullying. that's what this administration has been doing. they have been picking on our vulnerable population since the day they got into office, and we will not stand for that in thef cityoakland. >> did you have concerns about that prior to putting out your public alert? >> i was very careful to not give anypecific information that may have caused any threat. and the evidence is that there were no injuries or any problems during thatoperation. i remain confident that what i did was within my legal rights, and informing your residents of their legal rights, of their obligations under the law, and the resources in e community, our legal defense operation, our rapid response telephone number, i not see how it can be

illegal to inform peoplee of law. >> if you were to receive the same type of information again today, would you do the exact same thingag n? >> turned exact same circumstances, yes, i do not regret what i did. >> let's move on and talk about the a's as well.mu that has ver been in the headlines also this week. alameda county supervisors negotiating their share of the colise to the city of oakland. how much closoes this bring you? >> this is nothing butood news for us and the a's. i am very committed to keeping our beloved oakland a's roote is oakland, but in a way tha responsible tot taxpayers and is oing to add vitality to whichever neighborhood they choose. the idea that we can now have parallel exclusive negotiating agreements forwo sitesoubles

our chances that we'll have a iteat project that not only benefits the a's a ballpark, butanced pap so makes sense for the community. >> the team is offering to pay off the137 million in de owed by the city and the county coliseum. that's in exchange for full control of the site. are you hap with that offer? >> it's a great place to begi our negotiations, but we will have very complex negatiations e have to engage in. >> what would it take for you to say "yes"? >> this is public land. we have to think about all the interests of our residents, our need for affordable housing, our need for community benefits a good jobs. what they need right now is that exclusivity, that promise that we aren't going to be entertaining conversations with other interested buyers. as you know there have been other interested buyers, but i

do believe strongly that the a's have given so much to our communi, and they deserve the right to have the first chanc to show us what they can do with that land. >> we're running short on time, but i have to ask you about el hsness. like many other cities, the ro issue is aching crisis levels in oakland. there's a 25% increase over the last two years are so. what are you doing about it? >> it is thessue of our time. we are really fosing first on addressing these street encampments. they are not healthy for anyone. our community and least of all, the unsheltered residents living in them. so we have been having some very successful innovative interghntions, our t shed shelters are proving extremely successful where we're able to

relocate an entire community as whole onto a temporary outdoor a ized, managed encampment. the first one has gone very well secondare starting our one at north gate and 27th for anyone who gets off the west freeway, then the know what i'm speaking off. we're building permanent supportive housing as well as to prevent hlessness by helping with emergency assistance in back rent and bac utility payment. it's a whole a lot of things we have to do to address this crisis, and we're doing it with focus and with aggression. >> all right. oakland mayor libby schaaf, thank you. always nice to have you here. turning to the politics of healthcare. for more than a decade is he seal riches that be ceoanf planned parenthood, the organization offers low cost reproductive health care services to millions of people across tcountry. one of those services is abortion, making the nonprofit a

frequent target of conservative lawmakers who have threatened to cut off federal funding. richards announced in january this year will be her last at the helm of planned parenthood, and she has a new book out, "maketrouble" that chronicles her fhts with the system. >> nice to have you here? >> great to be back, thank you. >> in the introduction in your book, you w right off the top, for the first time in my life i wonder whether myg daers will have less rights than i had. why do you feel that way? >> i'm obviouslycerned under this administration and this congress that the effort to repe women's reproductive rights, access to birth control, really basic health care rights is atrisk. that's the work we've been doing at planned parenthood thisar entire and we've been successful so far. and we've seen an outpouring of young women running for office

and doing things we need to do. >> the donal administration rolled back contraception coverage and space tofu de planned parenthood, what else is coming down pipeline that has you con'mcern? >>oncerned with all those things because they do take away e health care for millions of people. we've been successful at fighting back, but this is going to be ongoing. one of the biggest concerns, frankly, that we have is the judges that are being put up into the federal judiciarynow, some of the most extreme judges, some of them not qualifie and i think everyone's anxious about if there's a supreme court vacancy, the kind of nominee de that this pres would put. >> up and the biggest fight seems to be over the nomination of wendy vitter. what are your concerns about her and what do you think her nomination means for other benci os across the country? >> the concern about wendy vitter is, yes, planned

parenthood is opposing her nomination because she has some of the most extreme issues, even on birth control, comparing it to violent deaths among women. she has not been rated qualified by the american bar association. she has no experience in the federal judicial systemathat woul her qualified. her only qualifications is she's on the far right of the republican party. >> she supporwasn't willing to where she was o brown versus board of education. this is a fundamental issue in this country. and so we're concerned this administration is putting very, very political nominees in the oederal bench that areg to be there for a lifetime. >> i want to talk about the stories that you recount in your book. you've had quite a life. your mother was the governor of

texas, the fire brand that she was. your father is a civil rights attorney. and you write that your dinner table was never really about eating, it was for sorting precinct lists. what was your earliest memory? every arents were into movement that came through town, the farm workers, the women's movement. the most important moment for us was when my mom ran h first campaign ever for the state house. as kids we got to be involved and i saw firsthand b hard it was for women to run for office and how important it was and howt excitings because she won that race. and mom went on to have her own political career. >> one of the most notable moments of your career, we all watched it nationally in 2015 wa when congress investigated videos about planned parenthood's collection of

aborted fetal tissue. was that one of the toughest challenges there? >> absolutely. fake videotapes that were used to t to damage the reputation of the organization. we have five congressionalm ctees investigating planned parenthood, more than investigated enron. but we got throu e. ed up being an opportunity to educate millions of people in this country about the incredible health care that planned parenthood provides every single day to thousands of women in america >> what do you think are the biggest challenges ahead for planned parenthood? >> the administration. that's why'm soocused on not only supporting reproductive rights and health care, but making sure we get every single person we can out to vote this november because this is a t opportunit change the direction of the country. >> and yet you're stepping down at a time when many women would argue that planned parenthood

nees someone with your experience at the helm. >> i'm really proud of what we've done to invest in a whole new generation of leaderscross thecountry. i wouldn't be stepping down if i tlt like we were at risk. we are strongeay than we've ever been in our 100-year history. we have now m 1re than million supporters, which is twice theb mship of the national rifle association. we're making a difference in states across the i'll be an avid supporter of planned parenthood my entire life but it's time for someone new. >> the election has energied younger women. they're becoming more politically active. istory in a long your life of being politically. acti you protested the vietnam war in the seventh grade and you were a uniona organizer forong time

after graduating from college so what would be the biggest piece of adce you have for women who are now becoming politically active? >> as i say in my book, which is a memory war and a call t action, just don't wait for someone to ask you to juo it. jus in right now. so many women wait until they think they have the perfect resume, whethert's to run for office or run for an organization. but this is the moment. i've neveris seen women active literally shaking the foundation of this country in every possible way. and i think if we support each other, helpomen running for office, we really ask "k" make an enormous, impa not only in this november but two years from now as well. and y when the job came up for planned parenthood to head it, you almost didn't take it. why? >> i thought i've neveryt done ing that big, it's so hard and i don't have the skills. and a lot o women hold bk because they think they're not ready.

my motto n is start before you're ready. don't overthink it. whatever new opportunity comes your way, jump at it. >> those are goodords to end on. is he seal richards stepping down from planned parenthood, so nice to have you here, and ngratulations on your new book. >> thank you very mwich. tha do it for us. you will find more of our coverage on kqed.org/newsroom. i'm thuy vu. thank you for joining us.

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