after two days of lengthy testimony by facebook ceo mark zuckerberg, calls intensify foru greater rtion of tech companies. g>> as tensions over sanctuary policies remain h, we talked to oakland mayor libby schaaf about the challenges and otortunities facing her . plus, planned parenthood president is stepping down after more than a decade at the helm. she talks about her new book and the fight over women's health.u i'm thuy we begin with facebook and its efforts to regain the trust of not only its users, but also lawmakers. this week facebook ceo mark zuckerberg began two days of congressional testimony before dozens of skeptical lawmakers, appearing for 44 senators in at joiearing of the judiciary and commerce committees,

zuckerberg began his testimony with an apology. >> but it's clear now that we didn't do enough t prevent these tools fromse being for harm as well, that goes for fake news, foreign interference in hate speech as well as developers and data privacy. we didn't take a broad enough view of our responsibility, and that was a bstake. and it was my mistake. and i'm sorry. i started facebook. i r it. and i'm responsible for what happens here. >> facebook admitted that as many as 87 million users may have been had their data accessed by cambridge analytica. despite zuckerberg's explanation of the steps they're taking to stop misinformation campaigns, doubts remain about the company's commitment on those issues. some senators raised the posuibility of rting facebook, including louisiana republican john kennedy.

>> our promised digital utopia we have discovered has mine fieldha here'ss going to happen. there's going to be a whole bunch of bills introduced to regulate facebook. it's up to you whether they pass or not. you can go back home, spend $10 million on lobbyists and fight us, or you can go back home and help us solve this lloblem. >> to discussof this now, i'm join by kqed silicon valley reporter sam har net. mary ross, the coauthor of the california consumer privacy act. welcome to you all. >> thank you. >> nate, what struck you the most during the congressional hearings? >> well, one of the things that struck me the most was the way thuckerberg was very good at ast answering the question asked. n example, the senators

asked repeatedly something along the lin of, can i delete my data off facebook, or can i see what facebook has on me, and he answered yes, of course, you can de delete all the dasn. it dt count data that facebook gathered on you in other ways, bought fro data brokers, gathered from tracking you around the internet, gathered on you frome your fs or from your device. and that silence spokeme volume to >> so it wasn't an inaccurate answer, it was just an incomplete answer? >> it was an incomplete and the senators and congresspeople glarj didn't catch that. they didn't understand the qualification. >> the amount of data they have is tremendous because, sam, i know you went on facebook, downloaded all they information they had on hayou. did you find? >> if you have facebook, i would encourage you to do this. go to the website and download your wholle fi it's got everything i ever posted in my time line.

>> for 13 years? >> 13 1/2 years, every didnou mean com i made, every stupid photo i took. >> what didou think when you saw all that information? >> the reaction was that yeah, they can generate a pretty good profile. back when i was in colle i wasn't thinking about that when i was putting those things on. it was to quantsfy what that worth to facebook. we did a breakdown based on theirrevenue. we found the average u.s. profile according to a couple analysts is around 250 bucks a year, which facebook monoties from the work that i've done uploading all this stuff. >> and so a lot of the focus that's been on refacebook, t are a lot of organizations, a lot of other companies that are collecting data as well, right, mary? >> that's absolutelytr e. what we found is there's a whole industry of data brokers, including evite. i get an evite everyeek for a

different birthday party. they're taking that information and then s olling the presence children in the household, your religious affinity, if you use alcohol. >> i think a lot of the people i interview are saying a little cliche that if it'free, you're the product. so if you're using an inteeet servnd you're not paying a subscription fee or making a donation, the they are monotizing you and your data. >> except when you go on evite, you see advertisements, so you're still paying withou eyeballs but on top of that they're selling personal information. >> you were with theroup californians for consumer privacy, but you werrt of the house intelligence committee, you have studiedsu eillance issues for a long time. >> absolutely. >> and now you're helping to work on a ballot measure that would give consumers more control over the privacy of california.in what would that measure do? >> the measure does three g

things, ies consumers a right to find out what personal information corporations are collecting skpaubt your children, it gives you the right to tell the company to stopin se your personal information and find out what they're selling. anthen if you're going to collect my personal information, just implement reasonable security measures toafeguard it. >> there are critics at the chamber of commerce saying the measure will stifl innovation and open companies to huge it's too broad, treats every piece of information exactly the same. what are your thoughts? >> this iseally just common sense regulation. all we're saying is tll me what you're collecting on me instead of having a privacy policy. i'm aye l and i read many of these and they're clearly written to protect these corporationsnd not the consumer. the pact that was formed to fit us, it was facebook, oogle, comcast, at&t and

verizon. what they want to do is monoties you. they charge you every month for a svice that sometimes is and sometimes isn't, and yet they're still selling your personal information. where do k this week you its opposition to that measure. >> it did. >> nate, the company has made, you know, a lot out of the fact utat it recently off the access that advertisers have to information from third party data brokers. is that enough. >> no, it's not. they didn't actually cut off their entire retionship w the data brokers. aley only terminated one program which was cd partner categories which was only one way of microtargeting users. facebook admits there are other ways that itses datarokers to give data to advertisers to microtarget. but what those other relationships that facebook has with datae br, they won't say. >> what else needs to be done? >>e're demanding transparency,

we're demanding facebook open up their data practices to independent third party auditors so that we as the public can have confidence that facebook is treating our data with the respect it serves. u.s. is trailing europe in this respect. the gdpr goes inte effect month in europe, and things like the california consumer privacy bill would start to bring back equity to amweicans. eed something like the california bill that mary's organization does. >> there has to be a meaningful enforcement mechanism. clearly facebook can't self-police. there's another company that came out last week that was doing the same thing as cambridge didn't even do anything about it until the news came and told

them abwot it. >> interesting points. as a reporter a lot of people have said you got to remember that the average user isthied to trump election. people are looking at cambridge analytica sayg, hey, how did you do that? obama did a similar thing with his campaign. he had targetedoc ads onl media. so this is part and parcel of what facebook does and advertisers do it day.ry single so it's interesting to think we're aving outrage now, but this has been part of the business model. as ae tech repo i think a lot about reminding people what these companies are. tyou have to look how they generate revenue. gathering d to you is how facebook makes its money. there's an inhent kind drive or engine to gather data. even if they say we're going to do better, there's incenti to gather more data because that's their business model. >> there's a lin between what's acceptable and what's not.

if i'm seeing an advertisement that is -- we're all carrying around phones and i might be the only one seeing a particular advertisement. so the incentive there is to membership me, whether it's a political advertisement or to buy something i might not know i want. there's no check on there wha they're doing is above board and okay. >> what struck me duriea the ings is the lawmakers didn't seem to have a unified view of what the problemses. what this mean in terms of regulation? what doonou thinkgress will do next? >> congres will do nothing. they're good at doing nothing. if congress does something like the honest ads act, looks like it has a decent chance of passing. >> go ahead. >> it would require political advertisements to have a disclosure of who paid for it, i essely. similar to what we have on

television these days. beyond that, i thi the chances of meaningful regulation coming out of the u.s. congress are unfortunately pretty slim. >> let me conclude with this. are we at an inreflection point do you think? privacy debates they've had in the past, google once collected private wi-fi information to e geild goo maps. there was outra and nothing happened. do yu think it'sifferent this time? >> i sure hope so. what we need is an enforcement mechanism with teeth. we need the ftc to enforcets ec 2011 consente against facebook. and we need them to pay a meaningfulrice for that abuse. >> our initiative will be on the ballot inr novemb so californians will have power to take control over their personal information. >> thank you all, mary ross, sam har net, ed's silicon valley

reporter and nick car doe zoe, thanks to you all. >> thank you. in local politicians, oakland mayor libby schaaf receives flak over immigration in february. donald trump called her actions an obstruction. meanwhile the city continues to grapple with hanging onto its beloved sports teams and a continuing homelessness crisis. joininhime now talk about facing oakland is oakland mayor libby welcome. >> thank you, great to be here. >> you continue to be in the cross hairs of the department of justice. yesterday the department of justice sent the city of oakland and several other cities a letter demanding that the city turn over documents tha show oakland is breaking federal law by restricting what information police can share d th immigration agents. were you surpri see this letter?

>> i wasn't because it's similar to a letter that's been sent to many jurisdictions across the country looking for proof that liance with in com federal law. we are researching the letter right now and intend to rnd to it. >> will you turn over documents? >> again, they'reng for proof we're not in violation of federal law. we cannot turn over information that we don't, in fact, collect. we have been very careful and california has been careful to assert our suary status, which we believe is our absolute right, but to do it whin the confines of federal law. >> the pressth release tha doj sent out cites you specifically, names you specifically. what was your reaction when you saw that? >> well, it certainly has been a surreal experie to be mentioned by name by the president, by the attorney general. bu i cannot tell you how grateful i am to live in a

community where i am supported to defend myni commy, every member of it regardless of where they came from and to really try and raise the consciousness that there is somhing wro with our policies when we are ripping familiesap t, particularly law-abiding residents that give so much to our communities. >> you h certainlye your supports, but so many say as t u ds works are you concerned at all about federal funding? in this latest letter, the justice department is tloengt take back funding who ose cities that don't comply. do you feel that you are at risk for having grants revoked >> i do not. i have faith in our different branches of government that the judicial system is protecting us from overreach executives.

we have been unfade to assert our values and stand up to bullying. that's what this administration has been doing.e they haen picking on our vulnerable population since the day they got into ndoffice, we will not stand for that in the city of oakland. >> did you have concerns about that prior to putting out your public alert? >> i was very careful to not give any specific information that may have caused any threatn the evidence is that there were no injuries or any problems during that operation. n remain confident that what i did was wit my legal rights, and informing your residents of their legal rights, of their obligations under the law, and the resources in the community, our legal defe nseoperation, our rapid response telephone i do not see how it can be

illegal to inform peop of the law. >> if you were to receive the same type of infmation again today, would you do the exact same thing again? >> turned exact same circumstances, yes, i do not regret what i did. >> let's move on and talk about the a' as well. that has very much been in the headlines also this week. alameda county supervisors negotiating their share of the coliseum to the city of oakland. how much closer does this bring you? >> this is nothing but good news for us and the a's. i am very committed to keeping our beloved oakland a'sooted in oakland, but in a way that is responsible tot taxpayers and is going to add vitality to whichever neighborhood they choose. the idea that we can now have parallel exclusive negotiating agreements for two sites doubles our chances tt we'll have a

great project that not only benefits the a's with a privately financedpapuballpark,t also makes sense for the community. >> the team is offering to pay off the $137 million in debt owed by the city and the county on the coliseum. that's in exchange for f control of the site. are you happy with that offer? >> it's a great place to begin our negotiations, b we will have very complex negotiations in.t we have to engage >> what would it take for you to say "yes"? >> this is public land. we have to think about all the interests of ourou residents need for affordable housing, our need for community benefits and good jobs. what they need right now is that exclusivity, that promisehat we aren't going to be entertaining conversations with other interested buyers. as you know there have been other interested buyers, but i do believe strongly that the

have given so much to our community, and they deservehe right to have the first chance to show us what they can do with that land. >> we're running short on time, but i have to ask you abo homelessness. like many other cities,he issue is approaching crisis levels in oakland. there's a 25% increase over the last two years are so. what are you doing about it? >> it is the issue of our time. we are really focusing first one addressing t street encampments. they are n healthy for anyone. all, ommunity and least of the unsheltered residents living in them. so we have been having some very successful innovative interventions, our tough shed elters are proving extremely suce essful where we're a relocate an entire community as

whole onto aor temporary out organized, managed encampment. the first one has gone very well and we areur starting second one at north gate and 27th for weste who gets off t grand exit on the freeway, they know what i'm speaking off we're building permanent supportive housing as well as to prevent homelessness by helping with emergency assistance in back rent and back utility payment. it's a whole a lot of things we haveo do to address this crisis, and we're doing it with focus and with aggression. >> all right. oakland mayor libby schaaf, thank you. always nice to have you here. turning to the politics of health care. for more than a decade is he seal riches that be ceo of planet planned parenthood, the organization offers low cost reproductive health care services to millions of people across the country. one of ose services is abortion, making the nonprofit a

frequent target of conservakati las who have threatened to cut off federal funding. richards announced in january this year will be her last at the helm of planned parenthood, d she has a new book out, "make trouble" that chronicles her fights with the system. nice to have youhere? >> great to be back, thank you. > in the introduction in your book, you write right off the top, for the first time in my life i wonder whether my daughters will have less rights thha i d. why do you feel that way? >> i'm obviously concerned under this administratio and this congress that the effort to repeal women's reproductive rights, access to birth control, really basic health care rigs is at risk. that's the work we've been doing at hilanned parenthood entire year, and we've been successful so far. and we've sn anoutpouring of young women running for office andoing things we need to do.

>> the donald trump administration rolled back contraception coverage and space to defund planned parenthood, what else is coming down pipeline that has you concerned? >> i'm concerned with all those things because they do take awav ntative health care for millions of people. we've been successful at fighting back,ut this is going to be ongoing. one of the biggest concerns, frankly, that we have is the e judges that being put up into the federal judiciary now, some of the most extreme judges, some of them not qualified. and i think everyone's anxious about if there's a supreme court vacancy, the kind of nominee that this president would put. >> up and the biggest fight seems to be ove the nomination of wendy vitter. what are your concerns about her and what d you think her nomination means for other bench openings across the country? >> the concernbout wendy vitter is, yes, planned

parenthood is opposin her nomination because she has some of the most extreme issues, even on birth control, comparing it women.lent deaths among she has not been rated qualified by the american bar association. she has no experience in the federal judicial system that would make her qualified. her only qualifications is she's on the far right of the republican party. >> she supporwasn't willing to where she was on brown versus board of education. this is a fundamental issue in this country. and so we're concerned this administration is putting very, very political nominees in the federal bench that are going to be there for a lifetime. >> i want to talk about the stories that youi recounyour book. you've had quite a life. your mother was the governor of texas, the fire brand that she

was. your father is a civil rights attorney. dinner write that you table was never really about eating, it was for sorting precinctlists. what was your earliest memory? >> my pare is wereo every movement that came through town, the farm workers, the women's movement. the most important moment for us was when my mom ran her first campaign ever for the state house. kidse got to be involved and i saw firsthand both how hard it was for women to run office and how important it was and how exciting it was because she won.hat ra and mom went on to have her own political career. >> one of the most notable moments of your career, we all watched it nationally was when congress investigated videos about planned parenthood's collection of

aborted fetal tissue. was that one of the toughest challenges there? >> absolutely. fake videotapes that weresed to try to damage the reputation of the organization. we have fives congrnal committees investigating planned parenthood, more than investigated enron. but we got through. it ended up being an to educate millions of people in this country about the incredible health carehat planned parenthood provides every single day to thousands of womenn america. >> what do you think are the biggest challenges ahead for planned parenthood? >> the admi'stration. thwhy i'm so focused on not only supporting reproductive ights and health care, but making sure we get every single person we can out to vote this november because this is an opportunity to change the direction of the country. >> and yet you're stepping down at a time when many women would argue that planned parenthoo needs someone with your

experience at the helm. >> i'm really proud of what we've done to invest in a whole new geeration ofers across the country. i wouldn't be stepping down if i felt like we were at risk. we are stronger today than we've ever been in our 100-year history. we have now more than 12 supporters, which is twice the membership of the national ri.e associati we're making a difference in states across the country. i'll be an avid supporter of planned parenthood my entire life but it's time for someone new. >> the election has ergized younger women. they're becoming more politically active. you've had a long history in your life of being politically active. you prosted the vietnam war in the seventh grade and you were a union organizer for a long time after graduating from college so

what would be the biggest piece advice you have for women who are now becoming politically active? >> as i say in my book, which is a memory war and a call to action, just don't waitor someone to ask you to do it. just jump in right now. so many women wait until they think they have the perfect resume, whether it's to run for office orun for an organization. but this is the moment. i've never seen women this active literally shaking the foundation of this country in every possible way. and i think if we support each other, help women running for ffice, we really ask "k" make an enormous impact, not only in yehis november but twors from now as well. >> and yet when the job came up for planned parenthood to head it, you almost didn't take it. why? >> i thought i've never done anything that big, it's so hard and i don't have the skills. l andt of women hold back because they think they're not ready. my motto now is start before

you're ready. don't overthink it. whatever new opportunity comes your jump at it. >> those are good words to end on. is he seal richards stepping down from planned parenthood, so nice to have you here, and congratulations on your new boou >> thank yry much. that will do it for us. you will find more of our coverage on kqed.org/newsroom. i'm thuy vu. thank you for joining us.

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