captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> nawaz: good evening, i'm amna nawaz. judy woodruff is on vacation. on the newshour tonight, rudy giuliani says president trump uld defy the mueller investigation while trying to set the record straight after a whirlwind first week. then, undermining the deal-- an israeli firm to dig up dirt on the obama administratirn's deal negotiations. and, stumbling toward peace-- nearly 20 years after wartime atrocities in kosovo, relenciliation remains a fra process. >> maybe the only solution is that the young people from kosovo to get together and firs talk that ink it's the only thing that we don't do that often. >> nawaz: althat and more on tonight's pbs newshour.

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>> nawaz: our lead story tonight is the ongoing legal drama that surrounds present trump. in the last few days, one of president trump's personal attorneys, rudy giuliani, has been doing the media rounds. giuliani has confronted questions about special counsel robert mueller's russia probe, but also about a $130,000 "hush payment," from one of mr. trump's long-time associates, to an adult film star. with me here is our white house correspondent, yamiche alcindor, to sort out what we've learned about what could become a legal battle on multiple fronts. let's try the break this down, now.we the i can't by media blitz left a lot of people scratching their heads, trying to figure out what's happening with thero legal strategythe white house. it's been evolving as sp special unsel's investigation ha evolved. what do we know about the trategy now? >> strategy appeabe as aggressive as possible and really be on the ofensive.

this is a strategy where you have someone like rudy giuliani who is really an attack do going out after people, going out on different media rous, laying out all sorts of strategies. there's not one legal strategy. it's a floating he has one thing he said the president heihtghth miglead the fifth if asked toustify special counsel or privilege, we saw there were questions leaked to the "new york times." so a lot of things rudy giuliany isg but nothing in particular. >> nawaz: therare a lot of things he's saying and questions from the interviews rather than questions answered in the interviews, like whether or not the president would comply with a s&p, whether or not there have been other payments made. it seemed contifusing aes. could confusion have been the point? i confusion seems to be the point. nt to read something to you

that rudy giuliani said to the e washington post."d he sveryone is reacting to us now, and i feel good about that because that's what i came in to do." so that really gets to the heart of the legal strategy her rudy giuliani is telling people, look, you're talking about me,wh you're sayin i want to say, you're asking me all these questions. agm now the story. a couple of weekso, we were talking about michael cohen, raids on his office, wt was happening with stormy daniels. now it's been rudy giuliani week turning into rudy giuliani week two. >> nawaz: the president pushed back on somrue of giuliani week collaring comments sayin he's getting up to speed and new to the team. a what do we knout how the president views rudy uliani. >> white house officials are saying is -- is the president happy with rudy giuliani because this is not how your lawyer

should be asking. iey say the preside happy. sarah sanders rogled to answer the question. let's see what she said. >> is the president pleased with the appearance of rudy giuliani in the last few days? >> i didn't speak with him specifically about his feelings about it, but certainly feels he's an added value member to his outside special counsel. >> so sarah sanders is usually on it, usually has hernswered prepared and reading from a piece open paper. in this case se stumbled, trying to explain how the president feels about rudy giuliani. >> nawaz: are the shakeups on the legal team normal, putting in context from past snnts. >> i spoke to an expert who studied special counsel and special investigation, and that expert sid we should look at clinton and rook at how he dealt with his legal scandals,

lewinsky, the sexual harassment lawsuit with paula jones. the president had a core team who understood the case and what was uing on,t there was a face man, a man named robert bennett, whose job it was to talk to the media and make the case fsir prent clinton because they didn't want president clinton obsessing about the case. in this case, you have rudyng giuliani talbout it and the president tweeting and talking about it all the time, which is not what president clinton was dong. it's pretty unprecedented for this president. >> nawaze a word d lot these days. yamiche alcindor. good to talk to you. thanks. >> nawaz: in the day's other, neesident trump put out the word that he'll announce his decision on the iran nuclear s al tomorrow afternoon. he tweeted the nday, ahead of his self-imposed may 12th deadline. mr. trump has threatened to thdraw the u.s. from the agreement, unless it is revised. european allies have urged

against that step. the president and the whitemo housted a defense today of gina haspel, the nominee for c.i.a. director. she's under fire over her role in harsh interrogation of terror spects, including waterboarding. white house press secretary l sarah sanders said haspe "100% committed" to thesp nomination, e reports that she'd offered to withdraw. t she wants to do everything she can to make su integrity of the c.i.a. remains yintact, isn't unnecessar attacked and if she felt her nomination would hav a problem fothat and for the agency, then she wanted to dohe everything s could to protect the agency. >> nawaz: the president tweed today that democrats oppose haspel because she was "tooto h on terrorists." her senate confirmation hearing is set for wednesday. in russia today, vladimir putin took the oath of office to begin his fourth term as president, promising to boost livg standards.

the ceremony took place at an ornate kremlin hall. on stage, putin placed his hand on russia's constitution, and swore to serve the people and country. on sunday, hundreds in moscowd protestee inauguration, chanting, "putin is not our czar." the city of new orleans swore in a woman as mayor today, for the first time since its founding 300 years ago. latoya cantrell rose to prominence as an activist after rina."ane "k she was elected to city council in 2012. after taking her oath of officel cantnd supporters strolled out of the mahalia jackson theater in a traditional new orleans "second line" parade. first lady melania trump un signature initiative: the well- being of childre the "be best" campai, called will focus on emotional and physical health, social media

use and opioid abuse. the first lady made thn announcemente white house rose garden, with the president looking on. >> if we truly listen to what our kids have to say, whether it their concerns or ideas thults can provide them the support and tool need to grow up to be happy and productive adults who contribute positively to society and their global communities. >> nawaz: the first lady sayser one ofoncerns is cyber- bullying. the white house today rejected any suggestion that the president's own tweets might legitimize such attacks. it's been another unseasonably hot day in phoenix, arizona, with a forecast high of 102 degrees. sunday's heat hit 106 and broke the record for may 6th that had stood for 70 years. triple-digit heat is expected in phoenix for the rest of the week. and, on wall street, the dow jones industrial average gained 94 points to close at 24,357. the nasdaq rose 55 points, the

l p 500 added nine. and, the price of osed above $70 a barrel, for the first time since november of 2014. still to come on the newshour: trump aides accused of trying ab dig up dirt t obama officials who negotiated the iran deal. efforts to bring together ethnic factions in the balkans suffers some setbacks.e the sciehind the erupting hawaiian volcano that's destroyed dozens of homes, and much more. >> nawaz: president trump's iran deal deadline looms later this week, when he must decidehe whto remain part of the 2015 agreement. but john yang now has the strange tale of how and why two obama administration staffers eo helped shape the pact suddenly back in focus.

it's been nearly three years since the iran deal was sealed. but on saturday, the british newspaper "the guardian" reported that colin kahl and ben itodes, two top obama white house national sec officials, were the subjects of elaborate efforts to delegitimize the deal last year. they were targeted by an israeli private intelligence firm tryin to digformation that might discredit both men as proponents of the iran agreement. with me now to explain this story is "the guardian's" worldt affairs , julian borger, who helped break the story. julian, thanks for being here. first off, i know you have a new story post-ed on "the guardian"'s web site. what's the latest? >> this is about the head of te national iranian american councica a fierce ad of the iran nuclear deal, and during the transition if late w 2016, approached through an intermediatory with a message

from u.s. intelligence warning him to look out because the trump crowd were coming after him and would seek to dscredit him as a means of discrediting the deal. and several months later, he wab approach someone he believed to be a journalist who turned out to be working for this israeli private security firm who was aking him, after asking general questions, asked him about whether these two -- these two officials, ben rhodes and colin kal, had been some way -- had in some way maybe profited or benefited from the deal. he didn't think anything mor about other tan to think it was a bit odd until we read from the transcript of that conversation that wgot ahold of from sources close to that firm. >> yang: so they were trying to say, according to yourg, reporthat tease two officials who negotiated the

deal were protfiting from i? >> yes. they were, i think, looking for two areas one in ways they were benefiting from the deal and the other the possibility that they may have shared classified information with supporters of the deal or journalists during the negotiation on the defense and the attempt to promote the deal afterwards. >> and from your reporting, who was behind this? sho asked this or hired thi israeli skirt firm to do this? >> our understanding is that th was politically -- had a political intention behind it, from and wasxcisioned by people close to donald trump with the intention of discrediting people connected to the iran nuclear deal so, when the deal was torpedoed, it would help discredit the deal itself. >> people close to trump, were

you able to take this inside the white house in your reporting? >> i'm not sure in terms of whether these were people who were in the white house orne bu associates, but our sourcing who are close to thi private security firm said it was clear that, whe tthesking for this went out, that the ulmate customer was the trump team, the trump camp. >> yang: and you reached out the to the white house. what did they say? >> they refused to comme. >> yang: this security firm called black cube, tell us about this. >> well, this is a security firm made up of former israeli intelligence officers. they have been involved if nigeria, they have beenn ivolved in central europe, and they have ndin involved in the sta around harvey weinstein, one of his lawyers, a current new yorker, hired black cube to

go after the accusers of harvey weinstein, see if they culd get anything on them to -- as a way of stopping the claims of sexual misconduct against him. some of the same fake firms that were used to approach harvey weinstein's accusers were used to approach the wives of ben rhodes and colin kah so, to some extent, somewhatop of them using the same cut out firms, using the same photographs of people acting under aliases to approach peple both in the harvey weinstein case and in thecl iran r deal case. >> this is an intriguing story and i'm sure more. julian borger, thank you so much. >> thank you.

>> nawaz: now, to part two of our look at the state of affairs in the balkans. nearly 20 years after the war in kosovo, efforts to achieve reconciliation between serbs ans ethnic albanave suffered one of their worst setbacks in recent years, after a ntroversial arrest. kosovo, with its majority ethnic albanian population,d to be an aonomous region of the former yugoslavia. but in 1999, after a series of serb atrocities, nato intervened on the side of the albanians to help kosovo become an independent nation. with the support of the pulitzer center on crisis reporting, special correspondent malcolm brabant found that overcoming ethnic hatred and suspicion is one of the biggest obstacles to consolidating peace in the fledgling nation. >> reporter: after 20 years of painfully slow progress towards reconciliation, there was widespread dismay at the way in which kosovar albanian riot police arrested this man, marko djuric, the neief peace tiator of the serbian

government in belgrade. the arrest took place in mitrovica, kosovo's mosthe volatile town, the country's ethnic tensions are frcentuated. what happens heruently influences the rest of the country. ut>> police used force wit reason. and i cannot understand using force on those people, peoe that gathered there to talk about peace. >> reporter: dalibor jevtic voleads a serb party in ko parliament which left the government to protest the arre. >> they arrest the person who is the main negotiator of sera. and they treat him as a dog. when you have forced on a legitimate representative ofrb what ordinary people can expect then? >> reporter: the serbs have come a long way since 1999, when their tanks roamed kosovo, forcing albanians to flee from their villages. the serbs' campaign of so called ethnic cleansingrovoked nato

air strikes. after a ten week bombing campaign, the serbs accepted nato's peace terms. the albanians of kosovo, the majority population, were the beneficiaries. in february, kosovo celebrated ten years of independence. but the country remains widely unrecognized. s membership of the united nations is blocked. the biggest problem in the peace process is trying to convince, serbe old wartime enemy, to formally recognize kosovo. so why would the kosovar albanian led government inti pr reignite serb resentment when it needs cooperation? kosovo's prime minister ramush a haradinaormer wartime guerrilla leader, defended the arre, saying the serb negotiator entered the country illegally, despite being told not to come. don't you think what hpened

>> no sir, this is not oriented towards kosovar serbs, any elected official, leader, serb rdficials. this was mainly totwo persons who illegally passed the borders. r orter: some balkans experts believe the arrest in mitrovica was potentially dangerous, because it's exacerbated ethnic tensions and it will also make it moret difficr there to be normalization of relations between the former warring factions they also fear it could lead to a hardening of attitudes between rbe governments here in pristina and also in the n capital belgrade. in return for recognition of kosovo, the carrot of european union membership for serbia is being dangled in front of its president aleksander vucic. in february, vucic told germany's chancellor merkel he was prepared to reach a deal in which both serbs and albanians lost something. but in recent days, he has retrenched. will a conclusive peaceer agreement appen? regional analyst luzlim peci.in

>> i think a deal is possible. but it will depend a lot on thet engagef the united states ofmerica and european unio if they are not strongly engaged in the region then rwith its influence and then the tuation becomes more complicated. >> reporter: russia aligns with the serbs and it's in moscow's interest for kosovo's current state of stagnation to continue. most serbs have a deep emotial attachment to kosovo and are reluctant to set it free as a nation. they regard kosovo as the cradle of serbian culture because it's home to orthodox monasteries like decani. >> the opening of this metal coffin is not something very attractive i must say. >> reporter: the abbott,ava janjic, opens up the coffin of the monastery's 14th century founder king stefan, a saint, whose hand is as well preserved as anygyptian mummy. this and other treasures underpin the religious and

historical snificance of kosovo for the serbs. in the past few months politicians have suggested redrawing the map so northern kosovo becomes an integral part of serbia again. but only 35% of kosovo's serbsli in the north, the rest live amongst albanians in the south. >> these ideas are absolutely n realistic and they are also, i must say, immoral,way. >> reporter: father sava has been a long time opponent of serbian nationalism and his is an influential voice with siting international politicians. he argues that the serbs living thern kosovo have no intention of leaving willingly. >> we will all be forced out of here just because ceain people need to ve clearly ethnically cut territories. this is exactlwhat was the reason for the balkan wars in the '90s and we must ner allow

that to happen again. >> reporter: kosovo's unseled present is deterring foreign investment, and the absence of prosperity is particularly felt in mitrovica, a town that is a microcosm of the nation's ethnic tensions. igor simic represents mitrovica's serbs in kosovo's parliament, and he's optimistic about reaching a deal with the former enemy. >> right now 19 years after the war and we are still talking about the same stories from the past. so we have to find a way how to go further. the new generation doesn't want n wait doesn't want to be the same spot as their fathers were. >> reporter: the young kosovarsw who gr up after the war have little experience of the hatred and fear that motivated their parents.na christuni is the daughter of a prominent kosovar guerilla fighter and member of rliament. she is studying in austria, but wants to return to help her r natiover. >> maybe the onlatsolution is th young people from

kosovo to get to and first talk that i think it's the only thing that we don't do that often. >> reporter: this small pork processing cooperative inwe ern kosovo provides a glimpse of what is possible when former enemies reach across the ethnic divide. it's shared between albanian women and serbs who returned to the area after the war. >> ( translated ): throughout kosovo it's hard to findn enterprise like this one where we coexist together. it would be great if other people would follow suit. thit also shows that we ar same people. everybody has her own problems, her own worries so we know each other and open our hs to each other. >> reporter: but old wounds are likely tbe reopened soon once a special court in the netherlands indicts former albanian members of the kosovo liberation army for war crimes against serbs, other minorities and political opponents. kosovars tried to stop the court oring established, but america

and its ambassadreg delawie insisted it was essential. justice nc vital for reiation. we support the kosovo special court. we feel it's essential to tre to provide justice for all victims and think the court will make an important contribution to that. >> reporter: but nysrete kumnova dnd her husband muharrem want more serbs to be h accountable. they are heading to the empty grave of their son albiyon. he was 19 when, along with other n of fighting age, he wa abducted by serbian forces who overran the western town of gjakova in march 1999. 750 bodies have be72 recovered. are still missing. >> ( translated ): there won't be any reconciliation while we are still alive. and all politicians shouldn't dare to forgive serbia uil serbia returns all the remains of the bodies of those killedet and all the petors should be put on trial. and until serbia apologizes to us and to the world for theom

crimes ctted in this country. >> reporter: if the kumnovas are to attain peace, they need a serb to examine his conscience reand reveal their son's s grave. for many kosovars, the conflicts imply frozen and far from over. for the pbs newshour, i'm malcolm brabant in kosovo. >> nawaz: stay with us, comi o upthe newshour: the republicans' west virginia primary coming down to the wirei and what "educated" means to someone who grew up with no formal schooling. emergency crews continued to battle lava fl and hazardous fumes today, four days after the kilauea volcano erupted on waii's big island. road blocks are set up miles away from where lava is spilsung out from fs on the street.

the eruptions have been followed by a series ofs.mall earthqua the ground split open near the leilani tates subdivision. 35 structures including ataveast 26 homesbeen destroyed so far, with nearly 2,000 people forced to evacuate and unsure of how lo they will be displaced. while the lava can be slow- moving, this time-lapse footage shows just how devastating it can be as makes it way across streets. >> it kept me up knowing the volcano was there and this nightmare finally came true today. the whole house up in flames. >> living here you, that's theyo gamble thatake. it's to have all this beauty. and, it's a volcano. you've got to just know that you live on an active volcano. h>> nawaz: some residentse been allowed back into safe spots briefly to collect pets and belongings. all the while sulfur dioxide, a xic gas, is being released through volcanic vents in the

ground, prompting a alert from local officials to avoid it at high levels.no atalities have been reported but authorities are asking allht tourists and sers to avoid the leilani estates area. and for more about the volcano, the eruption and the rn the days to come, let's talk to lcanologist who studies kilauea and others regularly. michael gaia of the university of hawaii joins us via skype. >> michael garcia, thanks for your time. welcome to the "newshour". let me ask you about kilauea. it's the youngest active volcano on hawaii. what do we know about the latest activity we're seeing now?he >> well,ctivity seems to be waning somewhat. the active fissure, fissure number eight, hasm diinished overnight and we're hopeful this eruption might stop soon. however, the earthquakes are continuing, so there's every sign perhaps activity mig

restart. >> nawaz: you mentioned the fissures, people described seeing the ground opening up and the lava below bubbling up or shooting up in some cases. help us understand what prompted the fissures in the first place? >> the fissures are the response to injection of few magmma fro the sum of the volnoes. so-walled rift zone of thethe volcano and, as it does this, it cracks the earth because the injection of magma is casing the ground to swell, so the swelling leads to the crcking, and as the magma gets close to the surface, oou begin see those cracks get wider and wider. soor a while, the scitists were measuring the opening of the cracks as a way to try and understand when it might actually erupt. >> you mentioned measuring the cracks. there's also a lot of other upon toring that goes on around kilauea. tell me a little bit about how you keep an eye on the volcano and if we had any sign that this

was coing. >> well, many different techniques are utilized, particularly ground defamao gro, earthquakes and gas released from the volano, so a vriety of techniques are utilized to try to understand what's going on at depth, and sometimes we'rf caughtuard in terms of, like in this case, that the eruption would leave the locations where you had two active vents. you had lava lake the last ten years at the summit of the volcano, you had an active event for 35 years on the midle of the east rift zone. both have lost the magma flow and instead the lava drained down the rift zone and property up 20 kilometers away from where it waerupting previously. >> nawaz: a lot of the focus has been on the lava flow.

there have been mesmerizing videos on social media and ntsewhere, but you mentioned the gas. i to ask you about that. a lot of people are pointing to the sulfur dioxide which is much more of a threat. tell me about that. >> it's a threat if you get caught fguard. normally, like yesterday, in particular, we had strong trade winds, so as long as you're aware of where the vents are and which way thewind is blowing, you should be able to avoid that gas. but there are times when the trade winds drop down and the gas lingers iorthe fores along the highways, and you could be caught offguard and get gassed. i've had that happen to m several times, it's a very unpleasant experience. >> nawaz: there's been a number of homes destroyed, right? dozens and dozens, understands of people forced to evacuate as well. what can you tell us about this leilani subdivision that's bee harmed by the latest activity?

>> over 1700 people live in thes subdn but it has the highest ranking of a hazard zone on the island, south hazard zone one. so people were awank, i thi that they have some risk, but the last eruption in this areawa in 1955. so i think people were under the impression th nothing may happen for a while. >> professor michael garcia, thank you for your time. >> you're very welcome. >> nawaz: now to a barn-burner of a race. tomorr republican voters in west virginia chose their candidate to run against democratic senator joe manchin in november. it's one of thg.o.p.'s best chances to pick up a u.s. senate seat. it is also aest of the trump factor, with a controversial candidate aiming for the presidens outsider momentum even as two other top candidates have mr. trump's support.

lisa desjardins reports >> desjardins:n the mountain state, a wild primary race and a itpublican family feud. >> it's gotten ae mean spirited at times. >> silly. >> ugly. >> chaos. >> desjardins: the top two candidates in past polls, congressman evan jenkins and attorney general patrick morrisey, are fighting off a headline-grabbing insurgent. >> former coal executive don blankenship was sentenced today to a year in federal prison. >> desjardins: sentenced for conspiring to violate mining safety laws, blankenship was released from prison last may. >> i think that they like somebody who'll keep fighting even when they're the underdog. >> desjardins: the once-feared c.e.o. now presents himself as a gentle listener-- an outsider who wants to rattle congress.ou >>an't change washington, or change the culture of a company or acothing without roversy. >> desjardins: but he is also one of the most hated men in the state. in 2010, 29 miners died in an explosion at one of his mines,

upper big branch, or u.b.b. federal investigators concluded blankenship's company, massey eenergy, was reckless at mine. he was convicted of general conspiracy. blankenship insists he innocent and blames the actions of federal mining inspectors for the explosion. i was at u.b.b. and i talked to the miners in that mine, and they told me that they did feel the mine was unsafe. y some of them told me thefelt massey was unsafe. did you ever consider your company was unsafe? >> there's a lot of people that but that mine didn't blow up because of anything massey did. it blew because of what the government did. >> time after time after time we sued obama and we won for west virginia. >> desjardins: attorney general morrisey uses a more traditional playbook, with endorse onts like thatkentucky senator rand paul. he points to his lawsuits on behalf of the state end obama-era regulation. >> i believe strongly we have to talk about my conserva record of success. >> people don't understand rural west virginia.

>> desjardins: congressman evan jenkins, a former democrat, is working to prove he too is conservative here at a gun store outside morgantown. he argues he ithe most likely to defeat democratic senator joe manchin, helping republicans increase their senate margin.in >> we arround zero of the best the best opportunities. so what's at risk for republicans nationally? this is about control ofhe united states senate. >> desjardins: the three-man bar;le is a national nail-bi some groups have launched anti- blankenship ads, including a $750,000 b from a super pac linked to nate majority leader mitch mcconnell, petrified a blankenship election would doom the g.o.p. in e fall. >> convicted criminal don blankenship. >> desjardins: blankenship has waged war back, controversially saying leader mcconnell is pro- china because his wife, tresportation secretary ela chao, is of chinese descent and

her father is a shipping tycoon. >> swamp captain mitch mcconnell has created thousands of jobs for china people. this will be decided by small group of voters in one of theo mostervative states. they seem to have love of president trump and hatred of washington in thmmon. hemes in last week's debate. >> you know, i proudly endorsed president trump in the may pry pair 2016. >> i'm the only candidate on this stage who not only has voted for donald truti at the conv and in the electoral college. >> you can't drain the swamp being like the swamp. >> desjardins: but today in another sign that blankenship ic a retender, president inump rang in, tweeting, "don blankenship canthe general election in your state. no way!" inat an annual shrimp feas bluefield, we found undecidedry voters lnd brenda bowman. >> we're going to pray about it, let's put it that way. >> desjardins: thinking less

about which candidate they like, and more about which is the most like president trump. >> i'll beoting republican so that president trump wilhave someone to work with. >> desjardins: how voters decide here will impact replicans' national landscape and show what voters think it ans to support president trump. traveling across west virginia, for the pbs newshour, i'm lisa desjardins. >> nawaz: it's not just west virginia voters that head to the polls tomorrow. there are also primary races in indiana, ohio and north carolina. so it's a good time for politics monday. i'm joined by amy walter of the d "cook political report" e newly-announced friday host of public radio international's" "the takeawa and shawna thomas of vice news.a amy and wna, welcome.

let's talk about some to have primaries now. we've talked about thture to have republican party -- future of the republican party, how the races have gone. what can we learn from the primaries? >> i think lisa did an excellent job ofit setting the stage here and ohio and west virginia with west virginia themes, democratic incumbents sit in the states. they are t, ep d stp esge dald tstrumrp carried. the second is the embrace of donald trump, both his message and -- as well as his policies. there's a lot of talk about draining the swamp and building the wall. finally, looks very familiar to 2016, all the candidates runaing t washington but many of them are part of washington, either are a peb of congress --r mef congress, as in indiana two and west virginia one, or part of the so-called establishment, one of the folks running west virginia is the sitting attorney general. ironic they are runni against

washington when the republicans are in charge of washington. usually when you'rin charge you say let's send more people to build the majority.s instead the fo on they need to go help the president, not to help republicans in congress. e you talked about wher there is room in the party for republicans who oppose the esident as well. is that going away? >> you're not hearing anything about a candidate trying to run against the trump portfolio. i lodoked at as from beginning of january until now in all ract ace cro country, republicans have run almost three times as manads that ar supportive of trump as democrats have run ads against trump. so democrats are not running as much a an anti-trump party as republicans are running as ther pro ump candidate. >> let me ask you about the president's involvement. he's tweeted about hem before and is weighing in on the west virginia primary, too. does it make a difference anymore? >> i think he thinks makes a difference and especially with

the west virginia primary, the two more es republicans, his tweet is necessary and it wasasical don't vote for blankenship, vote for one of these. those twmay split the vote which allows blankenship to raise up. it is clear that reblicans in general, whether someone running far right in someone tto thread the need of de d.cy., the think they need to keep trump on their side. blankenship keeps saying he's trpier than trump. >> the irani is that's what republicans said about trump, if he wins the primary, he can't win a general election, and now you have the president sayg if this guy wins who's running basically the same sort ofmp gn and he has a lot of baggage, he can't win a genal election. >> i also think the president doesn't want to be caught in a roy moore situation out of alabama where he endorsed the traditional candidate and

backtracked and enorsed roy moore even after saying roy moore couldn't win. think it's how they read the tea leaves. >> he's been tweeting aboe th alabama special election and is tweeting about the the iran de. a self-imposed may 12 deadline. he says we'll have a decision tomorrow. he's been treatening to tak the u.s. out. are we in or out? >> it sems like everything he has been telegraphing and everything the europeans are saying they have done to try to convince him to stay in the del has not worked. so i think we're sitting in d.c. assuming he's saying he's going to pull out. what does that mean? it means the deadline saturday may 12 is whether we're going to slap sanctions back observe iran focertain things we lifted them for in the nuclear deal, and snapping those sanctions back on doesn't just affect ira and ited states, it affects some of our dealings with european cou, ntriwith whic-- whichis also part of it,a

much larger economic problem, too. but seems like he's going s to pull ut. we can't know until he tells us. i haven't talk to anyone, and no european person who knows about this has said they've con vinsd him, and he's been talkiis about ince the campaign. and he follows through. >> he does follow through. can he afford not to do it after talking abit for so long? >> right. i think he does it. the question is how far he goesl i'm going to pout of nafta. we didn't but we're renegotiating. i'm going tslap tariffs on china, call them the currency manipulator, well, didn't call them a crncy manipulator. it's unclear the tariffs, where they're going for oer countries. but everythi we saw, it wasn't just when macron came to the u.s., his body lanage, he said i wasn't able to convince him. then rudy giuliani went on tv

this weekend or earlier in the week saying, n, he's definitely going to -- >> i don't know why that's rudy giuliani's problem. >> we'll see tomorrow. we expect the announcement tomorrow frodethe pre. another big story this week. gingina haspel has her nominati. look back to ronny jackson, when he got into truble, whethere was heavy scrutiny and you knew it would be a tough confirmatioe hearing,resident backed away. we're not seeing this with gina - gina haspel. is this different? >> gina haspel is probably qualified. it was unclear whether rons jackson ualified. she is the acting director of the c.i.a. now. the issue at the comes up is about the wor"torture" and her involvement in the destruction of certain videotapes that purport to show what the c.i.a.i waterboarding, and how much

responsibility she needs to take for that in an open for. >> what about the votes, amy? we saw her on the hill. meeting with senators. joe manchin came out, shook hands, smiled, said it was great to see here, look forward to the hearing. >> rand paul, republican senator from kentucky, always on issues like this, has been on the other side from where more traditional republicans have been. he was on the other side of the bush administration. this debe we're having no about gin gina haspel feels more like the debates we've had in ress about pre-trump. this isn't about is she qualified for the job. i think she's had six former c.i.a. dictors saying she's absolutely qualit qualified, yoe people in the intelligence communitiy saying she's absolutely right for the job. the debate is about the issue of torture, how to del wit terrorism suspects, that was an issue when bush was present, when obama was present about closing quan tan mo, this --ta

gumo, this question wanting to keep it open. this is about policy rather tha n personality. >> sure to be a tough hearing wednesday. thanks for your time.s. >> tha you're welcome. >> nawaz: now: a fictiook at mccarthy-era washington from one of washington's most well- yamiche alcindor has this latest edition to the newshour boshelf. >> alcindor: the book is a political thriller focon a fictional congressman navigating 1950s washingt, d.c. it's a story set in the era of eisenhower and kennedy, but also in the shadow of josep" mccarthy's "d scare." the author who penned the story also happens to have a day job: news anchor. he is jake tapper, and he bo is "the hellfire club," his first novel. it opens in 1954. the main character wakes up drunk in rock creek park and

he's somewhat rescued. but i won't spoil the whole book. but why did you open up this way? and tell me why you thought readers should have this scene as an introduction to washington, d.c.? >> actually, i had originally written the book more linearly, and that scene was in the middle of the book, or actually more like the first third. and then a friend of mine read it, and ggested, why don't you open the book with that scene because it's so compelling and you're just thrown into the he wakes up, he's face down in the mud. he doesn't remember geing ther a car has crashed behind him. it turns out that there's a dead body nearby. and you're just thrust io this world. and it just seemed a good way to grab people. i wish i could take credit for the brilliant idea, but it was a friend of mine, jeff, who came up with it. >> alcindor: the hellfire club was a real pla in britain and parently in ireland, it was the name of some exclusive clubs.

why did you want to write about secret societies? >> well, actually, the genesis for this book occurred when i first heard about the hellfire club, which, right, it was in england in the 1700s. and all sorts of nobility and politicians and rich people, men, would come together on this one estate and have these horrifically debaucherous, and sacrilegious adventures. and the more i read about it, the more i thought, what an intriguing world. not only because of the secretness of it and people living these double lives, but f also tt that it forced them all to have these alliances. >> alcindor: i want to ask you about senator joseph mccarthy and his role in this book. i'll read just a small passage from the book. it says, "he's impossible to ignore. he bomes this planet blockin the sun. and whatever points he makes that have validity are blotted out by his indecency and his lies and his predilection to smear." you started writing this book in the middle of the obama administration. but how does your depiction of

mccarthy at all connect to present day, and in particularnt to presionald trump? >> they say "history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes." mccarthy was in the book. and roy cohn was in the book before donald trump became a candidate for president. buycertainly parts of mccar and qualities that mccarthy has that are resonant today, i may have underlined a bit here and there, because notnly did mccarthy do the same kind of thing that we see with president trump which is saying things doat are demonstrably false and smearing people whn't deserve to be smeared. but the world that mccarthy was in, republican politicians, democratic politicians, the media, didn't really know how to respond to this. so a lot of the mistakes that we saw in the 1950s with mccarthy are being repeated today. >> alcindor: when you talk about kind of the connections to present day washington, one thing that i was struck by was

the in character he comes to washington, d.c. and you kind of feel like ok this guy is he has a good heart. r he's here lly make a difference. and then he starts doing some questionable things. how does that how does that mean that that really that thinking connects the present day washington and to maybe that response that we're having to see especially in congress and republican lawmakers to president trump?o >> it makes meppy that that was your response to charlie. because that's exactly what i want to capture. i have seen i've live in this town now for several decades an i have sod people come here to try to do good works for the american people and the system is designed to force them to compromise. etimes it might just be a small compromise and they can live with it-- "i'm a republican, so i'm not going to attack any fellow repus, et cetera." sometimes the compromises might be bigger and deeper and i have seen people have their principles chipped away and their souls sold off pce by piece. and that's kind of one of the things i wanted to illustrate with this book was how does it happen somebody good who wants

to come to washington to do good is forced into a situation where all of a sudden the system is just dragging him down into the swamp that you hear president trump talk about. and so i think it's veryna re different kinds of compromises. mine are fictitious but it's the same exact problem that a lot of good people who come to washington to do good face every day. >> alcindor: as i was reading this book, i thought this is jake tapper the person who i see six times a week who has a family.'s whext for you? do you want to write another book? i kind of want to learn more about charlie's wife b she's one of my favorite characters. or do you think he'll go back to writing nonfiction or maybe you'll just go to sl >> well first of all margaret is probably actually the hero ofe ok. i mean i've had lots of women who read the book tell me you ow what margaret the hero of the book and she's definitely stronger than charli have an idea for a sequel if people like this book and enouga i haidea for a sequel that would take place in 1962 when john f. kennedy, president kennedy, is about to ganto los angelefrank sinatra desperately wants him to stay at

the sinatra compound. but attorney general robart kennedy isof sinatra because of his mafia connections. i thought that might be a fun thing to write about and you can play with hollywood as welas politics. but the nap thing you suggested soundsood to me and maybe i could do that first. >> alcindor: thanks for joining me. jake tapper, cnn ancho and so author of the latest novel" the hellfire club." >> it's been so fun. thank you so much yamiche. >> alcindor: thanks. >> nawaz: it's graduation season, and the memoir "educated" is the may pick for the newshour book club in collaboration with the "new york times," "now read this." its author, tara westover had no formal education until she attended college. the unlikely path that led her there was entirely self-made. tonight she shares her humble opinion on how an education has very little to do with the

schools you attend. >> during my first semester of college, i raised my hand in a class and asked the professor to define a word i'd never heard fore. the word was "holocaust," and ia had because, until that moment, i had never heard of it. i had been raised in the mountains of idaho, by a father who distrusted many of the institutions people take for granted: public education, doctors and hospitals, and the government. the result was i was never put in school or taken to the doctor. i didn't even have a birth certificate until i was nine yes old, which meant that, according to the state of idaho, i didn't exist. my older brother bought textbooks and was able to teach himself enough to go to colleg h when i was 1returned and told me to do the sa. i taught myself algebra and a little grammar, and someho scraped a high enough score on the a.c.t. to be admitted to brigham young unersity, even though i had no formal

education. that is how i came to be in that lecture hall, asking aloud," what is a holocaust?" because i had never been allowed to go to school, the only hiory i had learned was th history my father taught me. his perspective was my perspective. he said pharmaceuticals wouldtl permandamage my body, so i had never taken so much as a tylenol. he said the government had been corrupted by the illuminati, so i said that, too. his ideas had become my ideas. his fears had become my fears, also. once i discovered education, i studied for 10 years.so ht out as many ideas and perspectives and points of view, as i could fnd i used that diversity of knowledge to try to construct my own mind. tthis pursuit would take some of the most respected universities in the world, to cambridge, to harvar it would also take me away from my family. i would become a different person, and that person could no

longer go home. anat i would come to under from this journey is that an educatn is not the same thing as a school. h school is merely the institution throich an education is offered; an education is something you t.e for yourse it's a process of becoming. that is the power of it, a that is the danger of it. for some, the word "educated" has comeo mean" institutionalized," but it doesn't have to mean that. an education is the remaking of a person. you can submit to th remaking passively, or you can take an active part. to choose the second is to remake yourself; to choose the first is to be made by others. >> nawaz: to hear more from westover, you can join our book club through our facebook group, "now read this." and right now online, westover shares insight into how she writes, what she reads and why, "inspiration is a myth." that's at pbs.org/newshour.

tune in later tonight, "independent lens" presents "no' land." it is an inside look at the deadly standoff in 2016 between federal agents and armed protesters occupying oregon'sti malheur al wildlife refuge. that's tonight on most pbs stations. and that's the newshour for nnight. i'm anaz. join us online and again here tomorrow evening. for all of us at the pbs newshour, thank you and see you on. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: babbel. a language app that teaches real-life conversations in a new language, like spanish, french, german, italian, a more. >> and by the alfred p. sloan foundation. supporting science, techovlogy, and im economic performance and financial literacy in the 21st century.

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wes: e the history detectives, and we're going to investigate some untold stories from america's past. elyse: in this episode, r we disco this is the legendary document that signaled the end of the civil war. if this is the original order no. 9, this is an incrediblorpiece of american hiy right here. tukufu: we find out how an african-american went from a slave ship to this magnificent house in 1850s mississippi. n? what's going this is the heart of the deep south. slavery is ruling the day, and this is an african-american sitting here buying up property. wes: and we investigate the surprising story