captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> nawaz: good evening, i'm amna nawaz. judy woodruff is on vacation. on the newshour tonight, rudy giuliani says president trump could defy the mueller igation while trying to set the record straight after a whirlwind first week. then, undermining the deal-- an israeli firm to dig up dirt on the obama administration's iran deal negotiations. and, stumbling toward peace-- nearly 20 years after wartime atrocities in kosovo, reconciliation remns a fragile process. >> maybe the only solution is that the young people from kosovo to get together and first hetalk that i think it's tnly thing that we don't do that ten. >> nawaz: all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour.

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az: our lead story tonight is the ongoing legal drama that surrounds president trump. in the last few days, one of president trump's personal attorneys, rudy giuliani, has been doing the media rounds. giuliani has confronted questions about special counsel robert mueller's russia probe, but also about a $130,000 "hush payment," from one of mr. trump's long-time associates, to an adult film star. with me here is our white house correspondent, yamiche alcindor, to sort out what we've learned about what could become a legal battle on multiple fronts. let's try the break this down, byw. the jewel i can'media blitz left a lot of people scratching ureir heads, trying to fi out what's happening with the legal strategy from the white house. it's been evolving as sp special counsel's investigation has evolved. what do we know about the strategy now? >> sategy appears to be as aggressive as possible and really be on the offensivea this irategy where you

have someone like rudy giuliani who is really an attack dogou goinafter people, going out on different media rounds, laying ot all sorts of strategies. there's not one legal strategy. it's a floating idea. he has one thing he said the president heighth might plead the fifth if asked to jutify special counsel or privilege, we saw there were questions leaked to the "new york times so a lot of things rudy giuliani is saying but nothing in particular. >> nawaz: there are a lot of things he's saying and questions from the interviews rather than questions answered in the interviews, like whether or not the president would comply with a s&p, whether or not there have been other payments made. it seemed confusing at times. could confusion have been the point? >> confusion seems to be the poina i want to something to you that rudy giuliani said to the e

washington post." he said "everyone is reacting to us now, and i feel od about that because that's what i came in to do." so that reale gets to th heart of the legal strategy here. rudy giuliani is telling people, ok, you're talking abut me, you're saying what i want to say, you're asking me all these questions. i'm now the story. a couple of weeks ago, we were talking abhaout mic cohen, raids on his office, what was happening with stormy daniels. now it's been rudy giuliani week turning into rudy giuliani week two. >> nawaz: the president pusd back on some of rudy giuliani week collaring comments saying he's getting up to speed and new to the team. what do we know about how the president views rudy giuliani. >> white house officials are saying is -- is the pre happy with rudy giuliani because this is not how your layer should be asking. they say the president is happy.

sarah sanders scrogled to answer the question. let's see what she said. >> is the president pleased wita the appe of rudy giuliani in the last few days? >> i didn't speak with him specifically about his feelings about it, but certainly feels he's an added value member to his outside special counsel. >> so sarah sanders is usually on it, usually has her answered prepared and reading from a piece open paper. in this case she stumbled, trying t explain ho the president feels abo rutudy giuliani. >> nawaz: are theshakeups on legal team normal, putting in context from past snnts. >> i spoke to a expert who studied special counsel and special invesd gation, anat expert said we should look at clinton d rook at how h dealt with his legal scandals,

lewinsky, the sexual harassment lawsuit with paula jones. the president had a core teamer who undood the case and what was going on, but there was a face man, a man n ramert bennett, whose job it was to talk to the mkdia and mae the case for president clinton because they didn't want president clinton obsessing about the case.s in this you have rudy giuliani talking about it and the president tweeting and talking about it all the time,is whicot what president clinton was doing. it's pretty unprecented for this president. >> nawaz: a word use add lot these days. yamiche alcindor. good to talk to you. thanks. >> nawaz: in the day's other news, president trump put out the word that he'll announce his decision on the iranar deal tomorrow afternoon. he tweeted the news today, ahead of his self-imposed may 12th deadline. mr. trump has threatened to withdraw the u.s. from the agreement, unless it is revised. european allies have urged agait that step. e president and the white

house mounted a defense today of na haspel, the nominee f c.i.a. director. she's under fire over her role tein harsh interrogation oor suspects, including waterboarding. white house press secretary sarah sanders said haspel is "100% committed" to nomination, despite reports that she'd offered to whdraw. >> she wants to do everything she can to make sure the integrity of the c.i.a. mains intact, isn't unnecessarily attacked and if she felt her nomination would have been a problem for that and for the agency, then she wanted to do everything she could tect the agency. >> nawaz: the president tweeted today that democrats oppose haspel because she was "too tough on terrorists." her senate confirmation hearing is set for wednesday. in russia today, vladimir putin took the oath of office to begin his fourth term as president, promising to boost living standards. the ceremony took place at an ornate kremlin hall.

on stage, putin placed his hand on russia's constitution, and swore to serve the people and country. on sunday, hundreds in moscow protested the inauguon, chanting, "putin is not our czar." the city of new orleans swore in a woman as mayor today, for thes first tice its founding 300 years ago. cttoya cantrell rose to prominence as anist after hurricane "katrina." she was elected to city council2 in2. ffter taking her oath of oe, cantrell and supporters strolled out of the mahaliainackson theate traditional new orleans "second line" parade. first lady melania trump unveiled what wiur be her signinitiative: the well- beinof children. the "be best" campaign, called will focus on emotional and physical health, social media use and opioid abuse. the first lady made the

hoannouncement in the white rose garden, with the president looking on. >> if we truly listen to what our kids have to say, whetr it be their concerns or ideas, adults can provide them the support and tools they need to grow up to be happy and productive adults who contribute positively to society and their global communities. is nawaz: the first lady says one of her concernyber- bullying. the white house today rejected any suggestion that the president's own tweets might legitimize such attacks. it's been another unseasonably hot day in phoenix, arizona,hi with a forecas of 102 degrees. sunday's heat hit 106 and broke the record for may 6th that had stood for 70 years. triple-digit heat is expected in phoenix for the rest of the week. and, on wall street, the dowjo s industrial average gained oints to close at 24,357 the nasdaq rose 55 points, thed s&p 500 adne.

and, the price of oil closed abov first time since november of 2014. still to come on the newshour: trump aides accused of trying to dig up dirt about obama officials who negotiated the iran deal. efforts to bring together ethnic factions in the balkans suffers some setbacks. the science behind tpting hawaiian volcano that's destroyed dozens of homes, and much more. >> nawaz: president trump's iran deal deadline looms later this week, when he must deciden whether to remrt of the 2015 agreement. but john yang now has the strange tale of how and why two obama administration staffers pe the pact are suddenly back in focus.

l 's been nearly three years since the iran ds sealed. but on saturday, the british newspaper "the guardian"ed repohat colin kahl and ben rhodes, two top obama white housnational security officials, were the subjects of elaborate efforts to delegitimize the deal last year. they were targeted by an israeli n ivate intelligence firm trying to dig up informatat might discredit both men as proponents of the iran agreement. dith me now to explain this story is "the gu's" world affairs editor, julian borger, who helped break the story. julian, thanks for being here. first off, i know you have a new story post-ed on "the guaran"'s web site. what's the latest? >> this is about the head of the national iranian american council, a fierce advocate of the iran nuclear deal, and during the transition if lae 2016, he was approached through an intermediatory with a message

from u.s. intelligence warning him to look out because the trump crowd were coming after him and would seek to discredit him as a means of discrediting thdeal. and several months later, he was approached by soeone he believed to be a journalist who turned out to be worng for this israeli prievateurity firm who was asking him, after asking general questions, asked him about whether thetwo -- these two officials, ben rhodes and colin kahl, had been some way -- had in some way maybe profited or benefited from the deal. he didn't think anything more about other tan to think it was a bit odd until we read from the transcript of that conversation that we got ahold of from sources close to that firm. >> yang: so ey were trying to say, according to your reporting, that tease two gotiated theo deal were profiting from it?

they were, i think, looking for two areas. one in ways they were benefiting frh the deal and te other the possibility that they may have shared classified sformation wipporters of the deal or journalists during the negotiation on the defense and the attempt to promote the deal afterwards. >> and from your reporting, who was behind this?th who askes or hired this israeli skirt firm to do this? >> our understanding is that this was politically -- had a political inntion behind it, from and was excisioned by people close to nald trump with the intention of discrediting people connected to the iran nuclear deal so, when the del was torpedoed, it would help discredit the deal itself. >> people close to trump, were you able to take this inside the white house in your reporting?

>>'m not sure in terms of whether these were people who were ithe white house or business associates, but our sourcing who are close to this private security firm said it was clear that, when the tasking for this went out, that the ultimate customer was the trump team, the trump camp. >> yang: and you reached out the to the white house. what did they say? >> they refused to comment. >> yang:is security firm called black cube, tell us abo this. >> well, this is a security firm made up of former israeli intelligence officers. they have been involved if nigeria, they have been involved in central europe, andha the been involved in the staarnding nd harvey weinstein, one of his lawyers, a cutrr new yorker, hired black cube to go after the accers of harvey

weinstein, see if they could get anything on them to -- as a way of stopping the claims of sexual misconduct against him. some of the same fake firms that were used to approach harvey instein's accusers were used to approach the wives of benrh es and colin kahl. so, to some extent, somewhat sloppy of them using the same cut out firms, using e same photographs of people acting under aliases to approach people both in the harvey weinstein case and in the iran nuclear deal case. >> this an intriguing story and i'm sure more. julian borger, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> nawaz: now, to part two of our look at the state of affairs

in the balkans. nearly 20 years after the war in kosovo, efforts to achieve reconciliationeten serbs and ethnic albanians have sufferedof onheir worst setbacks in recent years, after a controversial arrest. kosovo, with its majority ethnic albani population, used to be an autonomous region of the former yugoslavia. but in 1999, after a series of serb atrocities, nato intervened on the side of the albanians to help kosovo become an independent nation. with the support of the pulitzer center on crisis reporting, special correspondent malcolm brabant found that overcoming ethnic hatred and suspicion is one of the biggest obstacles to consolidating peace in the fledgling nation. >> reporter: after 20 years of painfully slow progress towards reconciliation, there was widespread dismay at the way ino which kovar albanian riot police arrested this man, marko djuric, the chief peace negotiator of the serbianrn gont in belgrade.

the arrest took place in mitrovica, kosovo's most volatile town, where the country's ethnic tensions are accentuated. what happens here frequently influences the rest of the country. >> police used force without reason. and i cannot understand using force on those people, people that gathered there to talk about peace. >> reporter: dalibor jevtic leads a se party in kosovo's parliament which left the government to protest the arrest. >> they arrest the person who is the main negotiator of serbia. and they treat him as a dog. when you have forced on a legitimate representative ofdi serbs, what ry people can expect then?or >> repr: the serbs have come a long way since 1999, when their tanks roamed kosovo, forcing albanians to flee from their villages. the serbs' campaign of so called ethnic cleansing provoked nato air strikes.

after a ten week bombing campaign, the serbs accepted nato's peace terms. the al majority population, were the beneficiarie in february, kosovo celebrated ten years of independence. but the country remains widely unrecognized. its membership of the united nations is blocked. the biggest problem in the peace imocess is trying to convince serbia, the old waenemy, to formally recognize kosovo. so why would the kosovar banian led government in pristina reignite serb resentment when it needs cooperation? kosovo's pme minister ramush haradinaj, a former wartimeer lla leader, defended the arrest, saying the serb negotiator entered the country illegally, despite being told not to come. don't you think what happened

>> no sir, this is not oriented towa elected official, leader, serb officials. this was mainly towards two persons who illegally passed the borders.e >> reporter: slkans experts believe the arrest in mitrovica was potentially dangerous, because it's exacerbated ethnic tensions and it will also make it more difficult for there to be normalization of relationse between rmer warring factions. they also fear it could lead to a hardening of attitudes between the governments here in pristina and so in the serbian capita belgrade. ot return for recognition of kosovo, the carrf european union membership for serbia is being dangled in front of its president aleksander vucic. in february, vucic toldch germany'cellor merkel he was prepared to reach a deal in which bo lost something.nians but in recent days, he has retrenched. will a conclusive peace agreement ever happen? regional analyst luzlim peci. >> i think a final deal is possible.

but itill depend a lot on the engagement of the united states of america and european union. if they are not strongly engaged in the region then russia with its influence and then the situation becomes more complicated. >> reporter: russia aligns with the serbs and it's in moscow's interest for kosovo's current state of stagnation toontinue. most serbs have a deep emotional attachment to kosovo and are reluctant to set it free as a nation. they regard kosovo as the cradle of serbian culture because it's home to orthodox monasteries like decan >> the opening of this metal coffin is not something very attractive i must say. >> reporter: the abbott, sava janjic, opens up the coffin of the monastery's 14th century founder king stefan, a saint, whose hand is as well preserved as any egyptian mummy. this and other treasures underpin the religious and historical significance of kosovo for the serbs.

in the past few months some seri polis have suggested redrawing the map so northern sovo becomes an integral part of serbia again. but only 35% of kosovo's serbsno live in thh, the rest live amongst albanians in the south.e >> these are absolutelyth unrealistic an are also, i must say, immoral, in a way. >> reporter: father sava has been a long time opponent of serbian nationalism and his is an influential voice with visiting intnational politicians. he argues that the serbs livinso in southern have no intention ofeaving willingly. >> we will all be forced out of here just because certain peop need to have clearly enically cut territories. this is exactly what was the reason for the balkan wars in the '90s and we must never allow that to happen again. >> reporter: kosovo's unsettled

present is deterring foreign investment, and the absence of prosperity is particularly felt in mitrovica, a town that is a microcosm of the nation's ethnic tensions. igor simic represents mitrovica's serbs in kosovo's parliament, and he's optimistic about reaching a deal with the former enemy. >> right now 19 years after the war and we are still talking about the same stories from the past. so we have to find a way how to go further. the new generation doesn't want to wait doesn't want to be on the same spot as their fathers were. reporter: the young kosovars who grew up after the war have little experiee of the hatred and fear that motivated their parents. christiana quni is the daughters of a prominentar guerilla fighter and member of parliament. she is studying in austria, but wants to return to help her nation recover. >> maybe the only solution i p that the youple from kostvo to get together and f

talk that i think it's the only thing that we don't do that ofte >> reporter: this small pork processing cooperativen western kosovo provides a glimpse of what is psible when former enemies reach across the ethnic divide. it's shared between albanian women and serbs who returned to the area after the war. ( translated ): throughout kosovo it's hard to find an enterprise like this one where we coexist together. it would be great if other people would follow suit. it also shows that we are the same people.ev ybody has her own problems, her own worries so we know each other and en our hearts to each other. >> reporter: but old wounds are likely to be reopened soon once a special court in theth nelands indicts former albanian members of the kosovo liberation army for war crimes against serbs, other minorities and political opponents. kosovars tried to stop the court being established, but america aneits ambassador greg dela insisted it was essential.

justice is vital for reconciliation we support the kosovo special court. we feel it's essential to true to provide justice for all victims and think the court will make an important contribution to that. >> reporter: but nysrete kumnova and her husband muharrem want moreerbs to be held accountable. they are heading to the empty grave of their son albwhon. he was 1, along with other men of fighting age, he was abductedy serbian forces who overran the western town of gjakova in march 1999. 750 bodies have been recovered.i 720 are still ssing. >> ( translated ): there won't be any reconciliation while we are still alive. and all politicians shouldn't dare to forgive serbia until serbia returns all the remains of the bodies of tho killed and all the perpetrators should be put on trial. and until serbia apologizes to th and to the world for the crimes committed i country.

>> reporter: if the kumnovas are to attain peace, they need a serb to examine his conscience and revealheir son's secret grave. for many kosovars, the conflictz is simply and far from over. for the pbs newshour, i'm malcolm brabant in kosovo. >> nawaz: stay with us, coming up on the newshour: the republicans' west virginia primary coming down to the wire. and what being "educated" means to someone who grew up with nong formal schoo emgency crews continued to battle lava flow and hazardous fumes today, four days aftlc the kilauea o erupted on hawaii's big island. road blocks are set up miles away from where lava is spilling out from fissures on the street. the eruptions have been followed by a series of small earthquakes.

the ground split open near t leilani estates subdivision. 35 structures including at least 26 homes have been destroyed so far, with nearly 2,000 people forced to evacuate and unsure of how long they will be displaced. while the lava can be slow- moving, this time-lapse footage shows just how devastating it can be as it makes it y across streets. >> it kept me up knowing the volcano was there an nightmare finally came true today. the whole house up in flames. >> living here you, that's the gamble that you take. it's to have all this beauty. and, it's a volcano. you've got to just kno live on an active volcano. me residents have leen allowed back into safe spots briefly to c pets and belongings. all the while sulfur dioxide, ai toxic gabeing released through volcanic vents in the ground, prompting a cellphonefr aler local officials to

avoid it at high levels.s no fatalitve been reported but authorities are asking all vourists and sightseers to the leilani estates area. and for more about theno, the eruption and the risks in the ys to come, let's talk t a volcanologist who studies kilauea and others regularly. michael garcia of the iversity of hawaii joins us via skype. >> michael garcia, thanks for your time. welcome to the "newshour". let me ask you about kilauea. it's the youngest and most v acticano on hawaii. what do we know about the latest activity we're seeing now? >> well, the activity seems to be waning somewhat. the active fissure, fissure number eight, has diminished overnight and we're hopul this eruption might stop soon. however, the earthquakes are continuing, so there's every sign perhaps activity might

restart. >> nawaz: you mentioned the fissures, people described seeing the ground opening up and the lava below bubbling up or es.oting up in some cas help us understand what prompted the fissures in the first place? >> the fissures are the response to injection of few magma from the sum of the volcanoes. so magma works its way down thee so-wrift zone of the volcano and, as it does this, it cracks the earth because the injection of magma is causing the ground to swell, so the swelling leads to the cracking, and as the magma gets close to the surface, you begin toee those cracks get wider and wider. so for a whi, the scientists were measuring the opening of the cracks as a way to try andde tand when it might actually erupt. >> you mentioned measuring th cracks. there's also a lot of other upon toring that goes on around kilauea. tell me a little bit about how you keep an eye on the volcano and if wi had any sgn that this was coming.

>> well, many different techniques are utilized, particularly ground defamatio g, earthquakes and gasreleased from the volcano, so a variety of techniques are utilized to try to understand what's going at depth, andometimes we're caught offguard in terms of, like in this casethat the eruption would leave the locations where you had two active vents. you had aava lake the last ten years at the summit of the volcano, you had an active event for 35 years onethe middl of the east rift zone. both have lost the magma flow and instead the lava drained down the rift zone and property up 20 kilometers away from where it was eruing previousl >> nawaz: a lot of the focus has been on the lava flow. there have been mesmerizing videos on social media and

elsewhere, but you mentioned the gas. i want to ask you about tat. a lot of people are pointing to the sulfur dioxide which is muce more of a th. tell me about that. >> it's a threat if you get caught offguard. normally, like yesterday, in particular, we had strong tradei s, so as long as you're aware of where the vents are and which way the wind is blowing, you should be able to avoid that gas. but there are times when the trade winddrop down and th gas lingers in the forest or along the highways, an y could be caught offguard and get gassed. i've had that happen to me several times, it's a very unpleasant experience. >> nawaz: there's been a number of homes destroyed, right? dozens and dozens, understands of people forced to evacuate as well. what can you tell us about this leilani subdivision that's been harmed by the latest acivity? as over 1700 people live in the

subdivision but ithe highest ranking of a hazard zoni on tland, south hazard zone one. so people were aware, i think, that they have some risk, but the last eruption in this area was in 1955. so i think people were under the impression that nothing may happen for a while. >> professor michael garcia, thank you for your time. >> you're very welcome. >> nawaz: now to a barn-burner of a race. tomorrow republicavoters in west virginia chose their candidate to run against democratic senator joe manchin in november. it's one of the g.o.p.'s best chances to pick up a u.s. senate seat it is also a test of the trump factor, with a controversial candidate aiming for the president's outsideromentum even as two other top candidates have mr. trump's support. lisa desjardins reports >> desjardins: in the mounin

state, a wild primary race and a republican family feud. >> it's gotten a little mean spirited atimes. >> silly. >> ugly. >> chaos. >> desjardins: the top two candidates in past polls, ngressman evan jenkins and attorney general patrick morrisey, are fighting off a headline-grabbing insurgent. >> former coal executive don blankenship was sentenced today to a year in federal prison. >> desjardins: sentenced for conspiring to violate mining safety laws, blankenship wasle ed from prison last may. >> i think that they like somebody who'll keep fightingev when they're the underdog. >> desjardins: the once-feared c.e.o. now presents himself as a gentle listener-- an outsider who wants to rattle congress. >> you can't change washington, or change the culture of a company or anything without controversy. >> desjardins: but he is also one of the most hated men in the state. in 2010, 29 miners died in an o explosion at ohis mines, upper big branch, or u.b.b. federal investigators concluded

blankenship's compy, massey energy, was reckless at the mine. he was convicted of general conspiracy. blankens innocent and blames the actions of federal mining inspectors for the explosion. i was at u.b.b. and i talked to the miners in that mine, andey old me that they did feel the mine was unsafe. some of them told me they felt massey was unsafe. did you ever consider your company was unsafe? >> there's a lot of people that but that mine didn't blow up because of anything massey did. it blew up because of at the government did. >> time after time after time we sued obama and we won for west virginia. >> desjardins: aorney general morrisey uses a more traditional playbook, with endorsements like that of kentucky senator rand paul. he points to his lawsuits on behalf of the state to end obama-era regulation. >> i believe strongly we have to talk about my conservative record of success. >> people don't understand rural west virginia. >> desjardins: congressman evan jenkins, a former democrat, isg

work prove he too is conservative here at a gun stots ouide morgantown. he argues he is the most lt ely to defeademocratic senator joe manchin, helping republicans increase their senate margin. >> we are in ground zethe best the best opportunities.s so wha risk for republicans nationally? this is about control of the united states senate. an>> desjardins: the three battle is a national nail-biter; some groups ha launched anti- blankenship ads, including a $750,000 buy from a sur pac linked to senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, petrified a blanmnship election would doo the g.o.p. in the fall. >> convicted criminal don blankenship. >> desjardins: blankenship has waged war back, controversially saying leader mcconnell is pro- china because his wife, transportation secretary elaine chao, is of chinese descent and her father is a shipping tycoon. >> swamp captain mitch mcconnell

has created thousands of jobs for china people. this will be decided by small group of voters in one of the most conservative states. they seem to have love ofes ent trump and hatred of washington in common. both themes in last week's debate. >> you know, i proudly endorsed president ump in the may pry pair 2016. >> i'm the only candidate on this stage who not only has voted for donald trump at the convention and in the electoral college. >> you can't drain the swamp being like the swamp. >> desjardins: but today in prother sign that blankenship is a real contenderident trump rang in, tweeting, "don blalkenship cant win the gen election in your state. no way!" at an annual shrimp feast in bluefield, we found undecided voters larry and brewman. >> we're going to pray about it, let's put it that way. >> desjardins: thinking less about which candidate they like, and more about which is the most

like president trump. >> i'll be voting republican so that president trump will have someone to work with. >> desjardins: how voters decide here will impact republicans' national landscape and show what voters think it means to suprt president trump. traveling across west virginia, for the pbs newshour, i'm lisa desjardins. >> nawaz: it's not just west virginia voters that head to the polls tomorrow. there are also primary races in indiana, ohio and north carolina. so it's a good time for politics monday. i'm joined by amy walter of the "cook political report" and the newly-announced friday host ofic puadio international's "the takeaway." and shawna thomas of vice news. amy and shawna, welcome. let's talk about some to he

primaries now. we've talked about the future to have republican party -future of the republican party, how the races have gone. what can we learn from the primaries? >> i think lisa did excellent job of sit setting the stage re and ohio and west virginia with west virginia themes, democrat incumbents sit in the states. they are top targets, deep red states donald trump carried. the second is the embrace of donald trump, both his message and -- as well as his policies. there's a lot of talkbout draining the swamp and building the wall. finally, looks very familiar to 2016, all the candidates running against washington but many of ashingto part of w , ther are a peb of congress -- member of congre in indiana two and west virginia one, or part of the so-called establishment, one of the folks running west virginia is the sitting attorney general. ironic they are running against washington when the republicans

are in charge of washington. usually when you're in charge you say let's send more people to build the majority. instead the focus is on they need to go help the president, not to help republins in congress. >> you talked about whether there is room in the party fr republicans who oppose the president as well. is that going away? >> you're not hring anything about a candidate trying to run against the trump portfolio. i looked at ads from beginning of january until nnw i all race ace cross the country, republicans harun almost three times as many ads that are supportive of trump as democrats have run ads against tr so democrats are not running as much as an anti-trump party as republicans are running as the pro trump candidate. >> let me ask you about the president's involvement. he's tweeted about hem before and is weighing in on the st virginia primary, too. does it make a difference anymore? >> i thi he thinks it makes a difference and especially with mary, thevirginia pri

two more establishment republicans, his tweet is necessary and it was basically don't vote for blankenship, vote for one of these. those two may split the vote which allows blankenship to raise up. it is clear that republicans in general, whether someone running far right or smeone trying to yhread the need of de d.c., the think they need to keep trump on their sidke blhip keeps saying he's trumpier than trump. >> the irani it that's wha republicans said about trump, if he wins the primary, he can't win a general election, and now you have the president saying if this guy wins who's running basically the same sort ofe campaign ands a lot of baggage, he can't win a general election. >> i also teink th president doesn't want to be caught in a roy moore situation out of alabama where he endorsed the traditional candidate and backtracked and endorsed roy

moore even after saying roy moore couldn't win.t' i think how they read the tea leaves. >> he's been tweeting about the alabama special election and is tweeting about the the iran deal. a self-imposed may 12 deadline. he says we'll hava decision tomorrow. he's been threatening to take the u.s. out. are we in or out? >> it seems like everything he has been telegraphing and everything the europeans are saying they have done to try to convince him to stay in tl dea has not worked. so i think we're sitting in d.c. assuming he's saying he's going to pull out. what does that mean?e it means t deadline saturday may 12 is whether we're going to slap sanctiock observe iran for certain things we lifted them for in the nucar deal, and snapping those sanctions back on doesn't just affect iran and the united states, it lingsts some of our dea with european countries, with whic-- whichis also part of it,a much larger ecoobnomic m,

too. but seems like he's going to pull us out. we can't know until he tells us. i haven't talk to anyone, and no european person who knows about this has said they've con vin him, and he's been talking about this since the campaign. and he follows through. >> he does follow through. t can he afford no do it after talking abit for so long?. >> rig i think he does it. the question is how far he goes. m going to pull out of nafta. we didn't but we're renegotiating. thm going to slap tariffs on china, call them currency manipulator, well, didn't call them a currency maipulator. it's unclear the tariffs, where they'rgoing for other countries. but everything we saw, it wast just when macron came to the u.s., his body language, hesaid i wasn't able to convince him. then rudy giuliani went on tv thiseekend or earlier in the week saying, no, he's definitely

going to --ow >> i don't khy that's rudy giuliani's problem. >> we'll see tomorrow. we expect the announcement tomorrow from the president. another big story this week. gingina haspel has her nominati. look back to ronny jackson, when he got into troublewhen there was heavy scrutiny and you knew it would be a tough confirmation hearing, the president backed away. we're not seeing this with gina hagina -- gina ha tpel. s different? >> gina haspel is probably qualified. it was unclear whether ronny jackson was quaed. she is the acting director of the c.i.a. now. the issue at the comes up about the word "torture" and her onvolvement in the destruc of certain videotapes that purport to show what the c.i.a.o did, watding, and how much responsibility she needs to take

for that in an openorum. >> what about the votes, amy? we saw her on the hill. meeting with senators. joe manchin came out, shookle hands, sm said it was great to see here, look forward to th hearing. >> rand paul, republican senator om kentucky, always issues like this, has been on the other side from where more traditional republicans have been. he was on the other side of te bush administration. this debate we're having now about gin gina haspel feels more like the debates we've had in congress about pre-trump. this isn't about is she qualified for the job. di think she's ha six former c.i.a. directors saying she's absolutely qualit qualified, yoe people in the intelligence communitiy sayinlushe's ably right for the job. the debate is about the issue of torture, how to deal with terrorism suspects, that was an issue sen bush wa present, when obama was present aboosut g quan tan mo, this --

guantanamo, this question wanting to keep it open.ou this is policy rather than personality. >> sure to be a tough hearing wednesday. anks for your time. >> thanks. you're welcome. >> nawaz: now: a fictional look at mccarthy-era washington from one of washington's most well- known journalists. yamiche alcindor has this latest edition to the newour bookshelf. >> alcindor: the book is a political thriller focusing on a fictnal congressman navigati 1950s washington, d.c. it's a story set in the era of eisenhower and kennedy, but also in the shadoof joseph mccarthy's "red scare." the author who penned the story also happens to have a day job: news anchor. he is jake tapper, and he book is "the hellfire club," his first novel. it opens in 1954. the main character wakes up drunk in rock creek park and he's somewhat rescued. but i won't spoil the whole book.bu

why did you open up this way? and tell me why you thought readers should have this scene as an introduction to washington, d.c.? >> actually, i had originally written the book more linearly, and that scene was in the middle of the book, or actually more like the first third. and then a friend of mine read it, and suggested, w don't you en the book with that scene because it's so compelling and you're just thrown into the siesation. he wp, he's face down in the mud. he doesn't remember getting there. a car has crashed behind him. it turns out that there's a dead body nearby. and you're just thrust into this world. and it just seemed a good way to grab people. i wish i could take credit for the brilliant idea, but it was a friend of mine, jeff, who cameit upit. >> alcindor: the hellfire club was a real place in britai iand apparentireland, it was the name of some exclusive clubs. why did you want to write about secret societies? >> well, actually, the genesis

for this book occurred when i first heard about the hellfire club, which, you're absolutely right, it was in england in the 1700s.an all sorts of nobility and politicians and rich people, men, would come together on this one estate and have these horrifically debaucherous, and sacrilegious adventures. and the more i read about it, the more i thought, what an intriguing world. not only because of the secretness of it and people living these double lives, but also the fact that it forced them all to have these alliances. >> alcindor: i want to ask you about senator joseph mccarthy and his role in this book. i'll read just a small passage from the book. it says, "he's impossible to ignore. he becomes this anet blocking e sun. and whatever points he makesav thatvalidity are blotted out by his indecency and his lies and his predilection tor. s" you started writing this book in the middle of the obama but how does your depiction of mccarthy at all connect to present day, and in particular

to president donald >> they say "history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes." mccarthy was in the book. and roy cohn was in the book before donald trump became a candidate for president. but certainly rts of mccarthy and qualities that mccarthy has that are resonant today, i may have underlined a bit here and there, because not only did mccarthy do the same kind of thing that we see with presiden trumich is saying things that are demonstrably false and smearing people who don't deserve to be smeared. but the world that mccarthy was in, republican politicians, democratic politicians, the media, didn't really know how to respond to this. so a lot of the mistakes that we saw in the 1950s with mccarthy are being repeated today. >> alcindor: when you talk about kind of the connections to present day washington, one thing that i was struck by was the main charact he comes to washington, d.c. and you kind of

feel like ok this guy is he has a good heart. he's here to really ma difference. and then he starts doing some questionab things. how does that how does that mean that that really that thinking connects the present daynd washingtono maybe that response that we're having to see especially in congress and republican lawmakers t president trump? >> it makes me so happy that that was your response to charlie. because that's exactly what i want to capture. i have seen i've live in this town now for several decades and i have seen good peome here to try to do good works for the american people and the system is designed to force ther to cise. now, sometimes it might just be a small compromise and they can live with it "i'm a republican, so i'm not going to attack any fellow republicans, et cetera." sometimes the compromises might be bigger and deep and i have seen people have their principles chippedway and their souls sold off piece by piece. and that's kind of one of e things i wanted to illustrate with this book was how does it happen somebody good who wants to come to washington to do good is forced into aituation where

all of a sudden the system is just dragging him down into the swamp that you hear president trump talk about. and so i think it's very resonant different kinds of compromises. mine are fictitious but it's the same exact problem that a lot of good people who come to washington to do good face every day. >> alcindor: as i was reading this book, i thought this is jake tapper the person who i see six times a week who has a family. what's next for you? do you want to write another book? i kind of want to learn more about charlie's wife because she's one of my favorite characters. or do you think he'll go back to writing nonfiction or maybe you'll just go to sleep? >> well first of all margaret ib ly actually the hero of the book. i mean i've had lots of women who read the book tell me you know what margaret the hero of the book and she's definitely stronger than charlie. i have an idea for a sequel if people like this booenough i have an idea for a sequel that would take place in 1962 whenjo f. kennedy, president kennedy, is about to go to los angeles and frank sinatra desperately wants him to stay at e sinatra compound.

but attorney general robert kennedy is wary of sinatra because of his mafia coections. i thought that might be a fun thing to wte about and you can play with hollywood as well as politics. but the nap thing you suggested sounds good to me and maybe i could do that first. in alcindor: thanks for jo me. jake tapper, cnn anchor, and also author of the latest nove"" the hellfire club." >> it's been so fun. thank you so much yamiche. >> alcindor: thanks. >> nawaz: it's graduation season, and the memoir "educated" is the may pick for the newshour book club in collaboration with the "new york times," "now read this." its author, tara westover had no formal education until she attended college. the unlikely path that led her there was entirely self-made. tonight she shar opinion on how an education has very little to do with the schools you attend.>>

uring my first semester of college, i raised my hand in a class and ked the professor to define a word i'd never heard before. " the word "holocaust," and i had to ask because, until that tment, i had never heard of it. i had been raised mountains of idaho, by a father who distrusted many of the orinstitutions people take granted: public education, doctors and hospveals, and the ment. the result was i was never put in school or taken to doctor. i didn't even have a birth certifice until i was nine years old, which meant that, according to the state of idaho, i didn't exist. my older brother bought textbooks and was able to teach himself enough to go to college. when i was 16, he returned and told me to do the same. i taught myself algebra and a little grammar, and somehow scraped a high enough score on the a.c.t. to be admitted to brigham young university, even though i had no rmal education.

that is how i came to be in that lecture hall, asking aloud," what is a holocaust?" because i had never en allowed go to school, the only history i had learned was the mystory my father taught me. his perspective wa perspective. he said pharmaceuticals would permanently damage my , so i had never taken so much as a tylenol. he said the government had been corrupted by the illuminati, so i said that, too. his ideas had become my ideas. his fears had become my fears, also. once i discovered education, ifo studie10 years. i sought out as many ideas and perspectives and points of view d as i could find, and i uat diversity of knowledge to try to construct my own mind. this pursu would take me to some of the most respected universities in the world, to cambrie, to harvard; but it would also take me away from my family. i would become a different person, and that person could no longer go home. what i would come to understand

from this journey is thaan education is not the same thing as a school. a school is merely the initution through which an education is offered; an education is something you take for yourself. it's a process of becoming. that is the power of it, and that is the danger of it. for some, the rd "educated" has come to mean" institutionalized," but it doesn't have to me that. an education is the remaking of a person. you can submit to that remaking passively, or you can take an active part. to choose the second is to remake yourself; to choose the first is to be made by others. >> nawaz: to hear more from westover, you can join our book club through our facebook group, "now read this." and right now online, westover shares insight into how she writes, what she reads and why, "inspiration is a myth." that's at pbs.org/newshour. tune in later tonight, "independent lens" presents "no

man's land." it is an inside look at the deadly standoff in 2016 between federal agents and armed protesters occupying oregon's malheur national wil refuge. that's tonight on most pbs stations.d at's the newshour for tonight. i'm anma nawaz. joins online and again here tomorrow evening. for all of us at the pbs newshour, thank you and see you soon. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been proved by: >> babbel. a language app that teaches real-life conversations in a new language, like spanish, french, german, italian, and more. >> and by the alfred p. sloan foundation. supporting science, technology, and improved economic performance and financial literacy in the 21st century.

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