♪ tonight on kqed "newsroom," officials that support sufficie-- support toug immigration policies went to talk to donald trump and governor brown looks to crack down on the blackmarket for marijuana. we begin with politics. on wednesday, president trump and members of his cabinet met with southern california officials to discuss a shared view on immigration policy, maimly opposition to -- mainly opposition to california policies. the president had tough words for dangerous individuals entering the country. >> you would not belie how bad these people are. these are not people. these are animals and we areki

them out of the country at a level and at a rate that has never happened before, and because of the weak laws they come in fast, get them, we release them. we get them again. we bring them out. it's crazy. >> mayor troy edgar attended the white house meeting as did san diego supervisor.ss the law sb-54 prohibits state and local police from helping federal authorities with immigration cases in many cases. it was the first of several c y cities and counties to pass similar resolutions. santa clar are t will file a ca saying that it's unconstitutional.

mayor t edgar, ni have you on the program. >> nice to be here, thank you. >> what is your biggest take away from the white house meeting you attended this week? >> my biggest tak away that i we tit was action oriented, had the right people, and he had the senior members of his staff and thohat could execute on anything that we were able to take on. >> during the meeting, presiden trump called some undocumented immigrants, "imals," what was your reaction when you hard the comment? >> you know what? beingoon the i heard him talking about that in the context of the m-13 gang members. you know, i think a little bit different perspective, is if you are thed resident of the uni states and you have secret service around you,ou you afford to be able to make a statement like that. as a city council mb, i will say their bad ombres. >> do you have a lot of bad ombres, as you say, or dangerous

undocumented immigrants in los ala had amps? alami >> no, we don't, it's long been a constitutional law issue. it's about the checks and balances of the federal hastate and local government. we feel the state over stepped in a city, where a charter city in thetate of california, as a charter city, we have the right to raise tacks and have our own -- raise taxes andhave our own police departments and set priorities for the police locally. when sb-54 was passed, it said, look, as a matter of law, we will not have you guys do the something ordeal with the federal government wt comes to u.s. immigration issues. that's where we drew the line. it had to do with the oath of office, why would we choose between honoring a state or

federal what we are trying to do is maintaining control of our own police department. >> in theg,meet the president suggested that oakland mayor, libby schaff, be prosecuted for obstruction of jusce, due to when she issued a public warning of a pending immigration aidou community. we asked the mayor about this, and here's what she said. >> i do not see how it ca be illegal to inform people of the law. if the you we to receive the same type of information again today, would you do th exact same thing again? >> under the exact same circumstances? yes. i do not regret what i did > so, mayor edgar, what is your reaction to what mayor schaff did and her continued defense of it? >> yeah, you know what i don't how she defendat it's honestly, her statement like that, that motivated me if

first time that i heard her say she was on p omptl ground. this was supposed to be an evaluation or raid by i.c.e. to gete criminals off street. i think we need to look rout fo thident s of the city, and not illegal immigran that are criminals and providing them a safe haven. it's bad policy on her side of this. quickly, as a mayor yourself, you think the oakland styor, libby schaff should be prosecuted for ction of justice? >> i do. i think absolutely. i think that she os her city a duty and i think that if she is not prosecuted by the u.s. attorney. i think her city should she of if it's the right person to elected to be their leer going forward -- their leader going >> during the meeting this week at the white house that you had with the president. you mtioned the aclus lawsuit against los alamitos, and you asked him forng. why do you need funding and what for?ou plan to use it

>> well, when we, went in to the lawsuit, with he went in t it with -- we went in to it with eyes wide open. it cost money, and we hhad to m sure that we could afford whatever the cost would be. we took action toth harness . like i told the president, sometimes being first can be pretty expensive and the aclu has ten, different lawyers focused on this. they are going to full-court press, and you know, we know this is a very unique ld mark issue, really, around constitutional and the city's rights issues. they have potentially could end up in the supreme court, and really, for us to kind of good the distance, we need to be able to see if we can depepd on anier sort of federal assistance going through it, whether it's distridirect support staffing or other support. they said, we need to help them

look after this. o, we got together, we laid out proposals on what could work, and then, also, just trying to make sure that i knew the next day it wngld be lobb on capitol hill and talking to a bunch of other congressman to see if there was anything i could do around appropriations and judiciary committee. >> okay, thank you maor edgar for joining us. >> thank you so much for having me on again. >> and stayingith politics, ballots went out by mail to registered voters for the up unming statewide primary election on 5th. the candidates for governor will be narrowed down and the winne going on to november's elealion. dotrump endorsed john cox, there's five statewide ballot measures. one of them requires money raised from a gas taxnd vehicle registration fees to be spent only on transportation projects. another measure would allow

homeowners toet tax relief for investing in rain water capture sys m. joini now to talk about it is our own kqed, california politics and government team. senior editor, scoff schafer. andreport thank you to al of yo. we will get to the primary election in a momust. i'm curof your reaction of comments.'s let's begin with you, scott. >> you are the mayor of a town of 11,000 people. you are the sheriff of fresno county and suddenly you are at the white house with the president. it's live on elevision. it has to be a little heady thing to find yourself in the middle of that. first of all, you have to kind of accept that there aviews are sincere. e,ople at the white hou generally speaking, believe that the sanctuary state law is a ood thing. it hamperser their ability to keep the public safe. i was struck by the diskeb,

between theetoric coming out of the white house and the president in particular, saying, this mayor saying, we don't have a problem with c me, and y know documented immigrants. it's sort of the problem that is around this issue where y have the president really going hard aying that these are hardened criminals, bad ombres r whatever you want to say, and you have local officialssaying, it's more of a principal thing. it's not the reality of the crime that we are concerned about. r> yeah, it's going to be an interesting one a legal perspective, right, we heard that the aclu is going to sue them over the ordinance of fighting the sanctuary state law. i was at the republican state convention, they had session on this. and talked about the issue of first of all, if you are not a charter citythe way they are, cities c it's a legal question and the resource issue, that is something that i heard from a lot of folks, you should not expect everyone to stick their neck on out. and i think that, you know, that question of funding and sort of

resources, will be interesting to watch politically too, because, you know, do their residents even if they oppose a sanctuary state law want to spend their tax dollars fightin. i have a hard time believing that the department of justice will fund the defense of the city's lawsuit. >> and that really seemed to be mayor's n edgar's prioritye meeting. getting money out of it. before he went to the white house, he had a go fund me page started to try to fight the aclu, looking for more of a sustainable source in the fight. >> that may be a better place to go. >> unlikedaca, where there's solid support for the dreamers or the wall, it's fairly stro opposition. you know, this issue of sanctuary state and city down the middle. when you are down to places like orange county, orno fr it's very much split. so, it may be arm short- political issue for the republican party locally. it's not going help them

statewide, especially john doco or travis allen. >> those are the two republican candidatefor governor. u brought up daca, scott, i want to askt you abat as well, because we have congressman jeff denim, he is leadi f thetunate to force a immigration -- he is leading a movement to force a vote i'm gra -- a vote on immigration. >> we have talked to him, they have always had this ability. it speaks to concern, and frustration on both sidese of aisle, of how little, i mean, not just obviously under ump, but has been done around immigration. it's a top of mind issue again this year. so, i think that, that is sort of the,s t desire to in a way play both sides. hthey are going to come od against the sanctuary states and push a dreamer thing. to scott's point about the sort of political expediency of this,

if you are in denim's district, it will py be a good bet. in orange county, it may be a good bet now, but two, four ears the districts are turni blue. that will be an interesting thing to watch longer term. >> ifyou look at what isin the meeting. he wants to be the speake which he can only do if he holds on to the majority. it's only about the mid term election. >> and no question that denim is king up theposition. paul ryan a lame duck and a speaker of the house. it will be interting to see if mccarthy falls on this. he wants to be the spwker. ar does he let the central valley colleagues take the push. >> and with the freedom caucus and immigration w and safrpgy policies are focused in the california's governor's race, and particularly in the n candidates. what are he they saying and how is it resonating with voters. is it enough to get them to the polls? >> you are seeing cox and, all he republicans in the race,

pitching to the right for trump's immigration policies and the others are going to th left, look at the especially didi -- looking at the democrats, none f them want to be seen ask ov tmtog enhe cr ote polarizing. >> and in,he ra you have an ct eate that is 40% republican. yeah, if you are fighting over that small sliver of the eelectr electorate, they are trying to motivate those voters. >> the two gop candidates area n ight race for second place. what is fuelling that? >> what you havseen among the democrats since there's four, you could say serious candidates is really this, you know, shuffling where they are trying to get as much of the asrket sharhey can ha. republicans have more wiggle

room. some is simple politics. if you are a republican and you are looking at tar ballot, you going for somebody with an r next to their name. within the two, it will be interesting. john cox has been embraced by the party establishment. being pushed by folks in the party and the typical donor class, you may see. and travis allen is a bootstraps type candidate. there's a sense that cox has it locked up more among some ople. i don't think it's -- i think it's wide open for number two. and it could be a democrat still. we don't know. >> there's a big ad push for charter schools for osvillar >> there will be a poll out this coming week and we will see if it shifted. you have to take the polls with a grain of salt. it's not theience it was a few years ago, so many people have cell phones and ere's

internet polling. so, i think there's less confidence actually in how accurate t polls are. you do see variation from poll to poll. >> to your point about the independent of course pen which you are -- independent expenditures, we are seeing more coming in from the labor constituents, so,e are seeing the reports come in, and the money come in, in the next few weeks that money will turn i to a huge blitz of ads. >> and john cox is spend ago on he -- is spending a lot own money. >> it's really a free for all. we have an open primar, where the top two candidate s of regardlesarty move on. in other states,focused on each republicans the same. newsome is putting out an ad attacking cox, but propping him up, because he would rather have the republican in the run-off. and you have t california medical association, attacking

chung to try to prop up newsome, for voters it's .confusi >> a lot going on in the governor's race, and on the ballot, five propositions. thankfully justfive. which ones are attracting the most attention? >> i think what is interesting is prop 69 and 70, they were put on the ballot last year as part of huge deals. one to raise the gas tax, fix infrastructuren the state. d deal with emissions and reduce those and the two ballot measures were put on to get republican votes. it's to make surer that the vehicle fees are ging to you infrastructure improvements and problem 70 is to make sure that the cap and trade issues are voted on, that getsli repns in the mix on where it's going. and here's the political fall-out. if the measures fail, it will especially bold enfolks with the gop saying, why did we si on?

>> i have to say none of them is g.ting attenti there's no money being spent on it, for or against any of them. >> onehing that is getting attention, a local race, right, a san francisco mayor's race is getting national play as well. candidates, they are teaming up, and running ads, and urging voters to mark them as choice one a two. how effective is the strategy? >> it's effecte because of our ting system. like the top two, san francisco has a unique strategy where you go and pick three candidates. it's an instant run-off. so, the idea being i brooed hae more of a share of the electorate, ey need, 1 and 2, so they are not knocked off when they count the votes. it's a calculation thatndould work backfire.

their all liberal democrats in san francio, but they are fighting for a limited number of votes and i don't know if i it's going to work. >> it could help leno more than kim, he has been out of citycs polior a long time. he has not been a local official since 2003, been in the assembly and the senate, and done a good job by all accounts. but he that nhas not been in thc pol kim has. so, people know her, so, in a way giving saying vote for him, number two, it may help sort of introduce him a bit to hervo ers in a way that may be more helpful to him. >> no matter the results the ranked voting, the start to it is candidates will rb nibe nice each other, if they have to be a second or third place vote. >> scott, and marissa and guy, our kqed politicsnt and govern

team, thank you so much. >> thank you. turning to cannabis, last week, governor jerry brown released a revised state budget that included $14 million to crack down on illegal cannabis sales. retailers and other businesses have been required to get new ermits. but teep costs of the permits and taxing the sale of all cannabis productsmay be contributing to a still thrivina market of marijuana. joining me now for a discussion of all this is david downs,and josh, the spokesman for the california cannabis industry association. welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> how big is the elicit california market? >> it's massive. we are the number one domestic producer of cannabis for the united states. 4 on ut of the 5 pounds of

marijuana grown is being sent to other states. we feel it may be $10 billion in revenue over all. >> a lot ofoney at stake. $14 million is what governor brown is using to investigate the elicit market. >> it's ait of drug war theater. it sends a message, we have with entrenched generation old networks that are growing and exporting the cannabis out of the state, some are domestic, and we ve a big black market to is mantel and this money can go after the biggest offenders. the people who are operating at cale, and are flagrantl violating the state and federal law. >> and so, josh, on average, then how much does it cost to be a legal operation? why is the elicit market thriving? >> the rough estimate is 150,000 to ce in to compliance and get

your annual license. kru currently only av33%anything on the books. 65% on the state is a desert of right now. which contributes to the market. >> why are th various cities and counties that have not enacted regulations, why are theyha doing why are they holding back? >> i wish i had, you know, an answer as to what was fully halting them, i think a lot have been watching the state, wantine to here the state was going to move. re are still operating under emergency ulations. we are currently working on our permanent regulatns, so, there's been a wait and see methodology. but krond thbeyond that, there' of education. >> and there's a disconnect between the voters. and their elected off that are older and more conservative. look at marine county, where 70% of voters supported prop 64. not a single store i open.

part of it is because local control is out of control in california. ts dove tails in to issues of why we don't have enough housing. why we cannot buildigh speed rail. the locals are in the driver's seat and wheith rega to kana base, they have parked -- regard to cannabis, they ha parked the car in the garage. >> the barriers to entry, are they too big of a lust fift for operators? what if you are a small grower and have to build an ada bathroom, is that feesable for them? >>e's many barriers to entry in to the industry. the first, i will agree with david, is completely the control issues. but also, we need to ackno iedge that thustry is not new in california. it existed since 1996 on therd re and for many decades prior to this.us so, the that we saw in other counties in orthern california to the grow, they are

on the sides of mountains with no roads. that ey kind of carved in. no plumbing, no ada complaint bathro bathrooms. those costs are real. and we have to aknowledge that, not a lot of these farmers planned on being a part of the regulatemarket. >> i would build on that by saying that imagine being a small businerson and someone shows up with 300 pages of new regulations that you have loto f often from four different federal agencies. the pot shop that just opened in berkley, high fidelity had to install titanium security doors at a cost of $50,000, to meet the police department requests and these o types red tape can stack at the city, county, statv . >> so the state released numbers. california got $34 million in nu tax re in the first quarter of this year. that is much weaker than expected. itff the 185 million dollars target that the state hasor the entire year for the first year of cannabis years

whyhat amount so low? >> becauses of local are rization, or the lack th ererroneous, there's been a heavy lift in educating, regulators and officials on the reality of the industr the languag of the industry. and likewise, we have had educational lift for them on how to create good policy. that takes time, learning the different language of the two different worlds and get them on the sameakage has our association, at this point, five years. ontinual ll be a working process to educate on what flower is, in comparison what trim is, which relates directly to how we tax flower versus trim. >> so, that educational lift, i think is huge. >> and i think we need to putcontext you historically oound the tax revenue in the first 100 days so. we have had prohibition for 80 years and we ve had commercialization for 100 days. i apparently am an optimist all

sudden, i see the glass as 1/4 full instead of 3/4 empty. it will make dent i the long standing market. it will come at the pace of the tax structure as well ask theng licenstructure at the city and county level. we will be on track to make more money in recreation a aal cann taxes in yea one. i applaud voters thatant i to be a light switch. but the black market has traction, so, it may take time and maybe years. >> today, we saw an announcement from the brewo-- from the of

cannabis control. whatr is y reaction? >> our membership is thrilled. this is something that we have pushed for, through this entire process. so, the adult use and the medical use designation, really hasd no affect on what the oduct is. the doubling of application fees, licensing fees, to be an adult and medical use provider, it has served no purpose. that was discussed yesterday in e cannabis advisory committee meetings. they have passed it as well. we are thrilled to see it. and we hope that it has positive effects on the finances for our members. >> all right, fwhowork in progr. thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank yond >> that will do it for us, next week, please tune in for a kqed newsrooml, specia we will bring you the best interviews from our archives with dynamic you can find moreatkqe

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