captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight: president trump gives a wide-ranging improptu interview, but later the ite house clarifies his stance on the g.o.p.'s immigration bill. then, we continue our series, "the end of aids," traveling to the american south where prejudice and stigma help drive h.i. rates higher than parts of sub-saharan africa. >> you know, it's like we're on a desert island! you know, a deserted island!ss and unle you are h.i.v., you have no clue on what we're dealing with. >> woodruff: and, it's friday. mark shields and david brooks consider t aftermath of the historic summit with north korea and the justice department's scathing internal report.

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and friends of the newshour. >> this program was made possible by the cobloration for broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: from north korea to immigration to yesterday's report on the hillary clinton mpemail probe, president tad a lot to say this morning. our newshour white house correspondt yamiche alcindor reports.re >> alcindor: psident trump osarted his day with an impromptu walk acrthe white house wn, where he gave a flurry of interviews to reporters. first up, fox news. en asked if north korea's kim jong-un would be visiting the

white house, the president said "it could happen." >> he's the head of a country. and i mean, he is the rong head. don't let anyone think anything different. he speaks, and his people sit up at attention. i want my people to doinhe same. >> ar: later, the president said he was joking, but continued to praise kim, highlighti their new relationship that flourished during the june 12 singapore summit. >> i have a good relationship with kim jong-un.er i gave him adirect number, he can now call me if he has any difficulty. i can call him. we have communication. it's a very good thing. >> alcindor: mr. trump defended his friendly interaction with the north korean leader, as a way to keep americans safe.an >> i don'tto see a nuclear weapon destroy you and your family. i want to have a good relationship with north korea. >> alcindor: another topic that he touched on? the department of justice. mr. trump claimed complete vindication by yesterday's inspector general report on them hillary clintol probe. >> it totally exonerates me. e was no collusion, ther was no obstruction, and if you

read the report you'll see that. >> alcindor: in fact, the report fered no such conclusion about robert mueller's special counsel investigation rfto russian inerence during the 2016 presidential election. the 500-page report recommended possible disciinary actions for five current or former d.o.j. staffers because of anti-trump bias duringhe clinton investigation. d>> although we did not f clear evidence... >> alcindor: the findings alsote faformer f.b.i. director james comey for his handling ofn the clton email probe, but it found no evidence of political bias in his decision to not charge clinton. earlier, mr. trump objected to that conclusio >> that wasn't the correct opinion and that was ridiculoust >> alcindor: l at the impromptu gaggle... >> no, i hate it. i hate the children being taken away. >> alcindor: ...the president doubled down on blaming democrats for separating children from their parents at the u.s.-mexico border. >> the democrats forced that law

upon our nation. and they can change the whole border security. we need security, we have to get rid of catch and release. >> alcindor: but it was mr. trump's attorney general jeff sey.ions who enacted the pol >> yes, we are pursing a zero- tolerance prosecution policy at the border. >> alcindor: as of last month, it mandates everyone caught illegally entering the united states will be proseted, and children accompanying their parents will be sepaand placed in a government facility or fostecare while they wait for their day in court. today, federal officials said almost 2,000 children wered separateom adults between april 19 and may 31. p in scrantonsylvania, sessions once again defended the policy as necessary. >> we're going to restore rule of law in our immigration system. that's a commitment that we made. >>lcindor: but back in washington, the democrats pushed back. >> there's no policy stification for this. it's all political.

the president is throwing red meat to his base when he does that. >> alcindor: meanwhile, the president threw republican immigration efforts into a tailspin today, ter he said he won't back a g.o.p. compromise bill in the house. >> i'm looking at both of them. i certainly wouldn't sign the more moderate one. >> alcindor: republican leaders reached an agreement to hold two votes next week on a pair ofll immigration s, including a more moderate version. now, the white house says the president supports both bills. for the pbs newshour, i'm yamiche alcindor. >> woodruff: in the day's other news, thtrump administration hit china with punishing new tariffs, the latest escalation in a trade battle witheijing. the u.s. imposed 25% tariffs on $50 billion worth of chinese imports. president trump insisted that s. had to act, after bei "treated very unfairly" by china. beijing immediately threatened to strike back with similar penalties on over 600 american products, from cars to soybeans

and seafoo te ( translated ): if the united states takes unil, protectionist measures, harming china's interests, we will quickly react and take necessary steps to resolutely protect our fair, legitimate rights. >> woodruff: president trump warned that if china retaliated, the u.s. was prepared to answer with tariffs on an additional $100 billi in chinese imports. a federal judge ordered former trump campaign cirman paul manafort to jail today, to await two criminal trials in special counsel robert mueller's russia investigation. manafort appeared in court in washington, and was taken into custody on charges of witness tampering. he is the first trump campaign official to be imprisoned as part of mueller's probe. later, rudy guiliani, president trump's personal attorney, told the "new york daily news" that in light of the move against manafort, mueller's investigation might get "cleaned up with some presidentialrd

s." the afghan military says that as u.s. droneike has killed the head of pakistan's taliban. afghan officials said mullah fazlullah died yesterday in afghanistan's northeasunar province. fazlullah ordered the assassination attempt on nobel peace prize winner malala yousafzai in 2012. the u.s. military confirmed ilat it hadd a senior leader, but did not identify him as the target.et at&t has com its $81 billion takeerer of time watwo days after a federal judge approved thee cquisition. stice department had argued the media mega-merger uld drive up tv streamin prices, and limit consumers' choices. but justice officials ultimately decided not to postpone the takeover, while regulators considered an appeal. the kellg company is recalling over a million boxes of its

"honey smacks" cereal, after it was linked to a salmonella outbreak in 31 states. the centers for disease control and prevention said more than 73 people have gotten sick so far, mostly in california, new york, pennsylvania and massachusetts. and, concerns about a u.s. trade war with china pushed stocks lower on wall street today. the dow jones industrial average lost more than 84 points to close at 25,090. the nasdaq fell 14, and the s&p 500 slipped three. still to come on the newshour: inside a children's migrant center in san diego. we speak to two north korea ctors about president trump's dealing with kim jong-un. "he end of aids:" the challenge of beating back the epidemic in the american south. and much more.

>> woodruff: the u.s. department of homeland security said today that nearly 2,0 children were parated from their families after illegally crossing the e rder in april and may. what happens to thds has been a subject of ongoing debate. amna nawaz reports. >> nawaz: last year, more than 40,000 uccompanied immigrant children were housed in shelters run by the department of health and human services-- a network of more than 100 facilities in 17 states. children now spend an average of 56 days in these shelters. one of those facilities is casa san diego in southern california, which houses 65 kids at a time and opened its doors to media today. jean guerrero of pbs member station kpbs was there, and joins me now. esan, there's obviously a lot of interest about tshelters and facilities around the conversation of family separation. tell us what you saw inside the facility and how you were able

to get inthide infirst place. >> all right, so as you mentioned, this is one of the smaller shelters, about 65. it's an all-boys shecalter. bay, we got to see the children engaged in a variety of differt activities, in classrooms reading, we also got to go outside and watch them playing soc ar. ariety of different activities showing the kinds of things they do at the shelter,it buas a process to be able to go on this tour. ti you meed, it was a very rare look inside of these children's department of health and human services rarely opens up these shelters to thmed because they want to protect the privacy of the children. so in order to par s at a time peate in the tour, we had to agree that we would not be doing any kind of video recording, any kind of audio recording, no recording whatsoever, we weren't allowed to speak to the children, s i couldn't interview any of this children to get their firndst experience of what it's like to

live with these children. so even though we got to see them engaged in a variety of activities, it didn't seem like they were having a good time. it eas a leaironment. we couldn't engage with them irrectly to get the experience. >> i should point out the pictures were handed out to us at the facilits and handed to the media since you weren't able to take your own pictures. very strict rules. no phones or recording devices, have to stay with e tour group, no interviews with the staff or children unless arranged in advance. how do the kids spend the days inde these shelters? >> right, so they get about two hours of recreational activity, one hour sructured, theher unstructured, they can do pretty much what they wsit. they havhours of educational activities, so some of the classroom stuff that we saw, and they do -- one of the things i found really interesting is they're able tke wo phone calls a week,

ten-minute-long phone calls, supervised phone calls. i thought that was intesting, given the fact an increasing number of these children are children who have been separated from their milies under th new zero tolerance policy and the new fmily separation practice we're seeing under the trump administration. so the smelter didn'tprovide details as to ho how much an increase they've seen in w childr are coming in, who are separated from families, but they did indicate about 10% of the boys currely at the shelter were separated from their families, and the age range was about 6 to 17, and the average stay was conassistanth withother shelters, about 50 days total. >> jean, we know w there ar government numbers we can share about all the children in custody, the unaccompanied children. from kids fiscal near $17, half were over 14, half under 14,

two-thirds boys, 90 from guatemala, el salvador and honduras. do you know any more about the sids in this facility? >> yeah, we got a chance to speak to a lot of different staff members at the shelt. the conclude clinician talked about how the children are coming from centra america, many cases fleeing violence and showing symptoms of trauma. he didn't provide any tails but he did mention that some of the trauma that they are witnessing in these children comes from the family separation issue and, so, they provide meetings with clinicians who do mental health evaluations immediately upon the arrival ofd the childrenhen they also do ongoing meetings with psychologists individually once a week and group settings alsoce week. so really it was about trying to bring transparency to thean proceswhat's going on at these shelters, trying to show us what the kids' lives are

like, but it was prty difficult to really get a sense of it, given the fact that wen' weable to speak with the children directly even off the record. >> a brief but fascinating look inside one o these shelters. jean guerrero from o member station kbbs. thanks for your time. >> thank you. dr >> wf: as we reported earlier, president trump again ngaised north korea's kim un today in glowing terms. mr. trump has repeated that the nuclear weapons issue is now more important than rs of human rights atrocities committed by the kim dynasty there. foreign affairs correspondent nick schifrin spoke today withfe two ors, to bring us that view from the north. >> schifrin: of the 25 million residentof north korea, more than 30,000 have escaped, and

lived to tell their stories. sungju lee and ji seong-ho are two of those defectors. >> my father was a for military officer in north korea. i was born in pyongyang. and my fher was working for kim il-sung. he passed away. after he died, kim jong-il, second leader in north korea, tried to clean the house. so that time, my father made a mistake saying, there is no hope in north korea. that's why my family was expelled to countryside. when i was in pyongyang, i was taught that north korea was one of the best countries in the world. but on the train cargo to the second h were so many beggars. there were so many, kind of, ds, begging food from people. i question my father, where are we now? my father told me, son, this is the reality of north korea.

>> ( translated ): i was always told i should be happy and thankful to our dear leader. i believed i was happy, until i looked around and saw the reality. people were dying and starvind are. when i was young, i saw my grandmother starved to death.i uld steal coal from trains in order to trade it for food. and one day, i fell off the train, and that's where i lost my hand and le this is where my hancut. >> although i was hungry, my father forced me to go to scol. one day, the principals gathered the students on the ground, and said the entire school would go to a public execution site to watch public execution. there was a man, he tried to steal copper from factories, and he smuggled th to china. so he got nine bullets from three police officers. and then, there was a woman. she met a south korean missionary in china.

her crime was high treason. so she got nine bullets as well. my father told me that, he wanted to go to china for food. i told him, don't go, because that's really dangerous. because i saw public execution. >> schifrin: and did he ever come back? >> no, he didn't come back. b he didn't cok. and then my mother left home. that is the last time-- ( sighs ) --last time that i could feel her, yeah. ,i had to survive by myse because i'm the only child in my family. so i gathered friends. including me, we were seven. >> schifrin: it was a gang. ?is that what you'd call >> yes, it's gang, because, at that time, there were so many gangs. so manchildren gathered together because they had to protect each oer. >> schifrin: lee's grandfather found him on the streets, and helped him escape to south korea. ji's journey, while disabled, was longer and harder. >> ( translated ): i had to go to laos, myanmar, and thailand, and take a 6,000 kilometer

journey to get to safety in uth korea. it took over three months. atadne point in laos, when i to walk in the jungles on my crutches, it was just too hard,d and i cried, said, why did i have to be born in north korea?t i was on a journey to fd freedom, and i promibused to myself that if i made it safely to south korea, i would work hard to make sure nobody would have to go through what i went through. we are joined by one more witness, his name is. mr ji soeng-ho. p schifrin: that journey took him all the way sident trump's 2017 state of the union. th says he supports president trump's meeting im jong- un, but says in it's important to talk about denuclerization and human rights. >> ( translated ): i am hoping that this summit was not a one- off meeting. i hope there will be more summits and meetings between the u.s. and north korea, and trump will raise north korean human rights. >>ar issue and human rights issue has to go together.

united states is ested based on values, which are needom, democracy, and hu rights. i'm ally appreciate american because you ve these values, enjoy these values. also, you guys have your own duty, which is that, if you have freedo if you have democracy, if you have human rights, you have to share these values with those who don't have these values. >> schifrin: in the last few years, north koreans have had more freedom to run independent businesses. sungju lee predicts that will t chan country. >> with these markets, the new generation, the new social class are growing. so if the number of these people expanded, that's going to be time for the change of north korea. >> schifrin: sungju lee and ji

seong-ho recently won national endowment for democracy awards for their work getting other north koreans to safety. hit sungju lee's most important defector was froown past. tell me how you responded when you found out your father was still alive. >> i saw my father in south korea. i just cried. there's nothing to say. there was nothing to s literally, i cried and cried again. so mfather approached me, an hugged me, saying, son, i'm so sorry. and both of us were crying. >> schifrin: you reunited with your father, and you'r ralso working nify korea. why? what does it mean to reunify korea for you? >> it's only way to go home. that's my personal thinking. it's not government. it's for people, people living

on korean peninsula. ai schifrin: but until then, north korea will ra closed dictatorship, full of human rights abuses, as well as ssiles, and nuclear weapons. for the pbs newshour, i'm nick schifrin. >> woodruff: our series on "the end of aids." last night, we looked at the severe epidemic in the city of miami, florida. but as william branghaand producer jason kane report, the rest of florida is struggling, too.ri in the an south, stigma, poverty and lack of health care drive h.i.v. rates higher than anywhere else in the country. this series was supported by the pulitzer center. >> brangham: h.i.v. thves in places like this. while the florida keys are a tourist mecca, its sprawling

madistances and small town it a hard place to contain a virus. some patients, like jason barth, do seek out lifesa, ng h.i.v. caich is now proven to prevent transmission of th virus to others. but dr. jerry jackson says many don't come, and so, new cases keep popping up in the keys. >> we should have zero.d, but instea last year, i think we had 22 in our small little town. >> brangham: locals re joke that heading north in florida takes you straight into the deep south. that includes a place known as america's sweetest town: clewiston, florida, home of the sugar company u.s. sugar. you were so cute! and home to timothy "tad" dean. you remember any of the cheers from then? >>ne do, but i'm not doing o now. brangham: i don't blame you.

almost 8,000 people live in clewiston, on the banks of lake okeechobee, and dean that every single one of them knows his name. they know his family...ie >> hi, l >> brangham: ...and they know that he's gay. rybody in this town know who i am. >> brangham: you mean, the guy at the gas station? >> the gas station. >> brangham: --the taqueria? >> the police department. the sheriff'medepartment. , goodwill. i mean, everybody knows who iev am, anybody should know my story by now. >> brangham: that's partly why, 15 years ago, dean was devastated to learn he was h.i.v. positive. he was scared of the virus, yes, but more so by the prejudice and myths people have about those living with h.i.v. >> you can't touch their hand. you can't do anything with them. because they're incting everything. you didn't want to go to the theater with the because that seat was now infected. or, don't go to the restaurant that he just wt from. so, i mean, it was sad. >> bngham: public health officials say these prejudices

and fears conspire with poverty and lack of alth care to keep america's h.i.v. epidemic alive and well in the south. it's estimated that more than half of all undiagnosed h.i. cases are in the southern u.s. more than half of all new diagnoses occur in the sou. including d.c., eight of the top ten states with the highest new diagnoses are here as well. d timothy dean says, people just don't want to talk about it >> it's not out there.me thages are not on the billboards. they're not on the bus stops. m there's sage here. >> brangham: after five years of silence, dean decided to-- as ho puts it-- "livtive," tattooing the words on his arm, and speaking out publicly. >> i woke up one mornim like, dude, better do something. there are kids out there who are putting themselves in danger, putting their self at risk. so, how can i e this as my platform? four columns for four

girls... w>> brangham: today, deanks two jobs: he coaches young wen in poise and technique for beauty pageants... and, for his day job, he also coaches newly diagnosed h.i.v.- positive people at the local depament of health. we weren't allowed to film there, and none of his clients were open to talking with us. still too much fear, dean says. >> they're afraid they're not going to be loved. they're not going to be cared for, by their families and their friends. they're scared their friends are going to leave. a lot of people here that are positive don't even come to care here. ey'll go out of town. >> brangham: this fear has somee real consequences. studies show that stigma and prejudice around h.i.v. can lead to higher-risk behavior, which can increa infection, and not taking medication regularly. jon cohen has covered h.i.v./aids around the world for "science magazine" and was our partner on this series. >> you know, we're also in the bible belt.s therreally strong-- >> brangham: people don't think of florida that way, but--

>> but, certainly, regions we've ryready seen that aren't that far from miami, eligious, you know? and that influences th people respond to the groups who are at risk. les take gay men, you know and so that makes people afraid to simplgo get an h.i.v. test, because they're worried that somebody at the clinic's going to say, "hey,""you know? r son came in for a test, what's up here?" you know? >> brangham: or, youidle up to someone at the pharmacy and they see what you're getting, and-- >> exactly. you don't even want to go get your drugs at your town pharmacy! all of that makes it a really dangerous place, in many ways,iv for somebodyg with h.i.v. >> you know, it's like we're on a desert island! you know, a deserted island! and unless you are h.i.v., you have no clue on what we're dealg with. >> brangham: this woman is h.i.v. positive, and lives in north-central florida. she asked we not reveal her identity-- we'll call her susan.

she's struggled with her meds, and making it to the doctor an hour away, but what's hardest, she says, is the silence and the judgment. after susan found out her status, even her husband said, "don't tell anyone." >> every visit, the doctor's saying, "tell your children.my anusband, all the wayg, home, arguino. he said, "i'm telling you, don't tell them. you'll be sorry, because they'ln treat you diff they'll be different toward you." and i said, no! >> brangham: susan elly did tell her kids, and she later fod her way to this suppor group-- all h.i.v. positive women-- lled "lets talk about it." and it's run by the non-profit rural women's health project. it's the only group of its kindu for 15ies. that's a huge swath of north- ugntral florida. >> we've come thsome things together. some very serious thin >> brangham: if you spend time with this group, the first thing you reale is that h.i.v. still hangs over each of them like a scarlet letter.

>> you tell someone you have caer, and they're so sympathetic with you. but you say you have h.i.v., and that's a whole different ball game. >> they think we're either sluts, or we're drug users. you know, when they find out you're h.i.v., first thing they want to know is, "how did you get h.i.v.? what did you do wrong?" >> brangham: they say it's like d pasts. hasn't mo decades-old misconceptions. >> its still going on. it's 2018! what's the problem, what's the situation? what are the issues? why is this problem still soep n the south? n all goes back to the stigma, way back then, wople did not know about the disease! >> when the women talk about education, they mean it because they live it. >> brangham: robin lewy runs the rural women's health project. she says even misunderstandings

about how h.i.v.s transmitted, how contagious h.i.v. is, increases the women's sense of isolation. >> when we talk about stigma,u ve to realize that we have some women living in households where, when they sit down for ar meal, thgiven a paper plate to eat off of, and plastic silverware. and the rest using regular plates and knives and forks. >> brangham: wait, everyone else has a regular plate?ls >> everybodyis eating with a regular plate. that's stigma. we've had women who talk to us gout, in their own homes, the rest of the faming in and spraying bleach on their toilet after she has used the bathroom. >> brangham: in this day and age? >> 2018. >> brangham: the women say there's plenty of blame to go around-- lack of education, religious intolerance, racism, even resisnce from local health officials. when angela pretto tried to start an earlier support group at her church, aounty health department intervened, telling her not to mention h.i.v. in any of her flyers-- no telling what the neighbors might do. >> so i had to change the name

to the "step club," li an exercise group or something. we have to break the stigma. i and ththe face of h.i.v.. >> and it's a great face. >> brangham: marvene edwards says getting past all of this will mean people like her speaking out and overcoming their own, internal stigma. she spent years wondering, "why me?" >> you come to a point in your li when you say, why not? why not ? you know? that's when you gotten to the point where u're okay in your own skin. and, you got to get to that point! where, who, what care about what other people say or think,go because they'rg to say and think what they want to, anyway! i will not allow what another t persnks, dictates, to me, the woman that i am. because i'm bigger thav. it lives in my house. >> brangham: back in the florida

keys, jason barth says, nearly two decades on, he's mostly at peace with his own h.i.v. diagnosis. >> i don't want to be defined by it. i don't want that to be the one thing people define me by. >> brangham: hs now on topnotch h.i.v. medication. the virus inside? undetectable. but jason still has a lab report he got back in 1996-- one that shows how very close he came to death. h.i.v. had destroyed nearly all his immune cells. why did you keep this? most people throw their lab reports out. a eminder of where i was, and how low i was at the time. to keep me appreciating what i have now. >> brangham: the rural has struggled responding to its epidemic, and has often been t len hospitable to those living with h.i.v. but jason barth is a reminder that no matter how bad things

get, circumstances can change. for the pbs newshour, i'm william brangham, in tavernier, florida. >> woodruff: now, an extrrdinary crisis for the catholic church, and test for the pope himself. this week, pope franci announced that he would accept the resignation of three bishops in the south american country of chil two days later, chilean police made surprise raids on church offices. it is all part of an ongoing child abuse scandal that began in 2010, and continues to reverberate across latin america and beyond. jeffrey brown reports from santiago, chile. >> brown: jaime concha says he was just ten years old when the abuse began. >> ( translated ): there aul six who abused me again,

repeatedly and systematically,th betweeyear 1973 and 1979.ac it's as if a a tribe, a group of sexual predators had attacked me time and time again. and that for me was almost like a murder. i felt they as if they had rdered me. >> brown: at the time, he was a fifth-grader at this catholic school in santiago. it took more than 40 years before concha was able to speak publicly about what happened. >> ( translated ): a victim of sexual abuse does not speak when he wants. he speaks when he can. because our victimizers silence us. i have been able to heal by seeing that my suffering became meaningful in the search foric ju >> brown: other victims are also speaking out, and today, nearly 80 catholic clergy across chile have been accused of sexually abusing minors over the last several decades. the child abuse scandal here has grown into a national crisis, in a country in which the catholic church has historically been one

of the most powerful institutions. >> ( translated e began with a horrific story that was hard to believe, and today, it's become a cultural problem, a problem about our social structure. >> brown: in 2010, investigative jourlist paulina de allende salazar received a tip that sexual abuse and cover-up had been rampant within the chilean church for decades.>> translated ): the reaction was hard, especially for the faithful.ly especior the ones who blindly believed in the catholic church.re >> brown: herting uncovered widespread abuse by father fernando karadima of santiago, a widely respected and powerful priest who many felt woulone day be declared a saint by the church. >> ( translated ): fernando karadima was the tip of the iceberg that uncovered a system of sexual abuse. he trained bishops under his own structure, a conservativand rigid one that abused its power. >> brown: jose andres murillo, now 43, claimed father karadima

sexually abused him in the 1990s while he trained to become a priest. he says many chileans initially refused to belie the allegations. how were you treated? what were you called? >> we were gays or enemies of the church, trying to destroynd the morale a the ethics of our country. it was very, very hard. >> brown: in 2011, father karadima, then 80, was found guilty by the vatican of sexually abusing young boys. he was forced to retire and sentenced by the church to a lifetime of penance and prayer-- but he never faced criminal charges, because of chile's statute of limitation laws. public perception slowly changed, as more allegations of abuse came to light.th anscandal has clearly had an impact. today, just % of chileans say they trust the church, and the number who identify as catholici is down from 62010, to

45% last year. re ( translated ): ts a powerful church that still today does not understand what happened. it does nounderstand the damage it caused. >> brown: when pope francis came to chile in nuary, he clearly t hoped to begino repair the damage. instead, he was forced to address his own appoinent of juan barros as a bishop in 2015, a move that came after barros had been acced of witnessing and covering up the sexual abuses committed by father karadima. barros has denied the allegations. francis initially defended barros, going so far as to charge his accusers with slander. >> ( translated ): the investigation of barros went on, but no evidence came out. for this reason, what i meant ic that't condemn him because i don't have evidence, and because i am convinced he is innocent. >> brown: but the pope's

comments drew outrage in chile and beyond, spurring h to order a new investigation into the extent of abuse. its findings led francis to issue an extraordinary apology, citing his own "serious errors of judgment and perception of the situation." in mayhe summoned all of chile's bishops to rome for a and later invited the three original accusers of father karadima to come to the vatican to ask their forgiveness. >> never in my life i would think i would be invited by the pope to the vatican to talk to him. that was unthinkable. i thought that i would have, like, 15 or 20 minutes to talk to him. afterwards, we talked during two hours. >> brown: were you satisfied with what he told you? >> yes.i' satisfied with what i told him. >> brown: with what you told him? >> yes, yes. because that's what i can control. >> brown: soon after, all 34 of

ile's bishops offered to resign.co at a newerence in late may that we attended, one of them, bishop fernando ramos, read a lett from the pope that promised the church would "never again ignore the coverup of abuse."ok i with bishop ramos afterwards. how serious a crisis is this for the chilean church? >> ( translated ): i think it's a very serious crisis. our relationship with the chilean society is being seen through these situations and not arnd what our mission is. >> brown: the words we hear are very strong words: "abuse," "cover-up," "indifference," from the church itself. do you accept all of this now? >> i can't say that the whole church is abuse and cover-up, i think that would be unfair. n t, nevertheless, there is and there have been,e church, situations of abuse and cover- up, which is why we have ttowork intenselvercome it. >> brown: but juan carlos claret, a spokesperson for a lay catholic group formed in the

wake of the abuse scandal, says more direct action is required. >>hee have to recognize that chilean government, in regards to protecting children, has very weak laws.rn what conus about the bishops' resignations is that a resignation en masse may end up dissolving theirriminal responsibility. for this reason, we have formally demanded that if the pope reveals that there are bishops who have committed crimes, such as the destruction of evidence, they are turned over to justice. >> brown: last month, chile's president sebastian pinera presented a bill that would remove the statute of ermitations on sex crimes. jaime concha and oictims have recently filed criminal complaints against three catholic priests and members of the church. >> ( translated ):e want the criminals to be where they need to be: that's jail. and that there be no impunity. >> brown: on a recent sunday morning in santiago, many pews ts this church were empty.

but some congregere said the crisis could offer a new way forward. ( translated ): this is a great chance for the pope to give us the church that we really need at this time. this situation is in no way the end of the church. >> i pray for the pope because i hope he acts as he should-- with strength. and i think that all of us who are faithful, support him in that sense. >> brown: eight years after fist going public, jose and murillo no longer considers himself a catholic. he n heads a foundation that offers training to those who work with ildren, investigates new charges of abuse, and helps victims slowly recer their lives. >> now the meaning of myife is to fight against the child sexual abuse.th anchurch is in charge of almost 200 million of childrenld in the w and i owe them the right to develop their faith free of abuse. >> brown: this week the pope

annoced he would accept the resignations of bishop juan baos and two others. in response, juan andres murillo told us he hopes the pope will accept more resignations in the coming weeks. for the pbs newsho, i'm jeffrey brown in santiago. >> woodruff: that's syndicated columnist mark shields, and "neu york times" ist david brooks. welcome to both of you. let's start with what happened week on the other side the pacific ocean. david, the president met, historic meeting, kim jong un, the leader of north korea. the president comes away saying there's no mo tre nuclereat, he's got very good personal chemistry, personal relationship with manimy mr.what's your take? >> i read a joke that the lion

hcan lie down wit the lamb but you've got to get a new lamb each day. i give him credit than a lot other people who are reading. we were terrified six, eight months ago that we were he in a bad direction and there was danger of things spinning out of control. now that doesn't seem to be the case. tensions have settled. there seems to be no risk of confrontation or war, so, to meh 's the big story, that's the lead and a good thing. once you get to the second and third pragraph, it begins the deter yet quickly -- the things trump said about the regime, calling a murderous dictator ah toy, that's horrific. the way hum rights were not acknowledged. he did a good thing in the worst poible way.

>> woodruff: what's your take, mark? >> in awe months ago, you had two maj powers flexing their nuclear biceps and isuing serious threats to another and thought we were on the edge of war. we're t today. that's good. dyhave no idea what's in it. i don't know anylse who does in the agreement. the president assusured-- >> woodruff: well there's not an agreement. >> there's not an agreeme in the documents, but this is regime that stands alone in the world for hundreds of thousds of people being exterminated, that has consistently, as a matter of policy, used rape and forcible abortions and starvation on its own people, hundreds of thousands of people have been exterminated. and for the president to -- i'm not, you know, insisting that human rights be the centerpiece, but has been important in

every american element ofig fopolicy over the last generations. i mean, from jimmy carter to ronald reagan, it's been central, and human rights -- the united states didn't invent human rights, but as was said, human rights wasn't invented in america and the president isly bligndifferent to that. >> ates foil to what happened io or quebec in the g7 the week before. you see him in two different relationships. with somebody liken president pu kim jong un, it's dictator to dictator, we understand how to deal wit power relationships, he feels comfortable in that kind of thing. when he's dealing with trudeau or merkel, it should be friends, a relationship on affection, mutual trust and reporosity and he's uncomfortable in that. >> how do you explain that? is business li he's not had those type relationships.

he's had relationships based on self-interest and turning to dominate and he feels comfortable in one kind of relationship and that's even true with him in the white house. he has a relationship based on who's useful to who, not we are a band of brothers in this together. >> but at this poimark, your point is at least we're not -- we don't think we're on the verge of war. >> no, we aren't. and i think that's good.k i that's a positive. churchill said it far btter and shorter that jaw, jaw, jaw is better than war, war, war and think that's true. >> woodruff: the justice hooking at how the f.b.i. looked at the hillary clinton investigation. tough on james comey, saying he was insubordinate, other tough criticism of him but, ultimately, the 500 pages ncluded the way the f.b.i. handled it did not demonstrate bias. the president said this common

rates him and proves the leadership of the f.b.i. was all bad. what are we to make of it? >> i think it common rates all of us. (laughter) i think the ma'in -- again, its one of these deals where you've got a headline and then some undercutting subterfuge, and the the headline to me is basically the institution worked, that the actual investigations were basically done without any political bias and that's worth reminding people there is such a thing as a professional civil service these days when everyone thinks it's all political and a swamp. it's not a swamp. these are hard working people and theseem to have been basically doing their job. there are a couple of demerits on that. a couple of e-mails peoplwer clearly denoted by a trump bias. we've seen rudy giuliani in the past couple of days ramp up rhetoric about the investigation and it seems to, alongith the mark sanford defeat, if trump ever takes action against mueller, the g.o.p. will get in line and will have more evidence

to say it's a corrupt investigation. as for comby, he had a tough call, to disclose or not to disclose something. i could argue it either way. i take the i.g. verdict that he made the wrong cal so he'll get some criticism for that and maybe justifiable. it is, frankly, a littleto interestine to see a lot of democrats suddenly being in favoof secrecy in government and, oh, we've got to keep these things secret before an election. as a personal matter, i think secrecy is often a good thing in government and open government is not always a good thing and i'm glad to see so much support from the left these days. >> take where it you get it. (laughter) >> woodruff: does this repo clear the air, mark? >> no, there's something for everybody. i mean, if you're a flat earth person or round earth person there's something. you've got evidence, very sparse, but ther enough was thee that there was a bias.

admirers of the president himself cannot answer if there was this gre cospiracy against hill and they had all the information about paul manafort and donald trump, jr. ssianseting with the ru why was it not mentioned during the campaign and the only actions on the part of the f.b.i. during the campaign were if anytothing detrimentahe candidacy of hillary clinton. but the irony ish tat -- the report to me, anyway -- is that donald trump's original rationale for getting rid of james comey which was in a letter o rodenstein about his handling of the clinton charges, y know, likely got some corroboration in the report, but the irony, of course, is tt trump himself abandoned that as soon as he met lester holtz' microphone and started talking to the russian ambassador. i was going to get rid of comey regardless of anything, get him

for double parking or tearing the tag off the mattress. >> and you mentioned rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer. he is saying as result of ths report that the mueller investigation needs to be put o hold. >> yeah, which, you know, again it's a reminder there are professional investigations and mueller seems to be holding a professional investigation, but the e-mails were bad and if you believe the deep state is against your guy dald trump, those e-mails look like a vend case for your point of view. theout thing that's resurfaced and we keepe-litigating the 2016 election is the comey decision to go public cost hillary clinton the election, and there is evidence to that, the polling shifted with that. the only thing i would say, that ory had such effect because it confirmed the key vulnerability that hillary clinton brought into the election that she was part to have the corrupt old establishment. it reminded people of what they didn't like about her in the

first place and some of it was nominating a person who wastl exwrong for the core issue of the electorate. >> woodruff: the issue of immigration, mark, so much conversation. an interview with a reporter at the beginning the show spent a day at the detention center where thi're keeping chldren separate from the families, this has now become the symbol of the administration policy thwart immigrants. oday, at onet said point he said he wasn't, for whatever the republicans are doing and then i guess the white house issued a statement late today which left it unclear thai he could goher way. are we going to see clarity on the sue of immigration at snytime soon from thi administration? >> no nothing can pass the congress, and anything they might get by the house with only republican votes, they would get

no democratic votes as prsently drawn, can't get in the senate. mitch mcconnell is not going to take it up. the president said he was againsthe moderate plan and then, this afternoon, came back and said, no, no, he wasn'tth talking aboumoderate plan, he was talking about the discharge petitio you know, so this is an example, if anybody wants to know whyna trump will not testify before the mueller investigation, this is a perfect inexample, he cannot susan answer for six hours to answer a question based on fac'sts. hat simple. as far as immigration is concerned, i think it's really turning against th administration. not only the catholic bishop of scranton who had a scorching statement when jeff sesions appeared today -- not personal, but what america stood for us with christian values and welcoming the stranger. even evangelicals and the baptist convention stepped out against the separation of family, you don't take a child away from its mother. i don't think there's any

onestion it's not only wand immoral, it's a loser politically at this point for the administration. >> woodruff: david. hen he heard the word ike it w he reacted the word rabies. (laughter) >> woodruff: well... and then o thiissue, i agree with mark and i go back to my thing of why he can't dealn with friendse g7. if you take qualities like affection, mercy, charity, mpassion, empathy out oan administration, you wind up with policies like tha. administrations in the past could have done this. the law sort of allows it. >> and citing the bible. then you cite the bible on your behialf whch is ludicrousness on stilts. but every other minister said it's not who we are. we don't separate families, maybe a legal pretext but wet, don't do thut because maybe there is native compassion and empathy and that's been drained out of this policy, and is abhorrent. >> woodruff: and on that note, we will leave it.

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