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and friends of the newshour. >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcastin and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: from north korea to immigration tortesterday's ren the hillary clinton rnail probe, president trump had a lot to say this g. our newshour white house correspondent yamiche alcindor reports. >> alcindor: president trump started his day with an impromptu walk across the white house lawn, where he gavtea flurry of rviews to reporters. first up, fox ws. when asked if north korea's kim jong-un would be visiting the white house, the president said "it could happen."

>> he's the head of a country. and i mean, he is the strong head. don't let anyone think anything different. he speaks, and his people sit up at attention. i want my people to do the same. >> alcindor: later, th president said he was joking, but continued to praise kim, highlighting their new relationship that floushed ring the june 12 singapore summit. >> i have a good relationship with kim jong-un. i gave him a very direct number, he can now call me if he has any difficulty. i can call him. we have communication. it's a very good thing. >> alcindor: mr. trump defendedd hi interaction with the north korean leader, as a way to keep americans safe. >>ar don't want to see a nuc weapon destroy you and your oomily. i want to have a gd relationship with north korea. >> alcindor: another topic that he touched on? the department of justice. mr. trump claimed completen vindicat yesterday's inspector general report on the hillar >> it totally exonerates me. there was no collusi o, there was truction, and if you read the report you'll see that. >> alcindor: in fact, the reporo

offered no suclusion about robert mueller's special counsel investigation into russian interference during th16 presidential election. dee 500-page report recomm possible disciplinary actions for five current or former d.o.j. staffers because anti-trump bias during the clinton investigation. >> although we did not find clear evidence... >> alcindo the findings also faulted former f.b.i. director james comey for his handling of the clinton email probut it found no evidence of political bias in his decision to not charge clinton. earlier, mr. trump objected to that conclusion. >> that wasn't the correct opinion and that was ridiculous. >> alcindor: later at the impromptu gaggle... >> no, i hate it. i hate the children being taken away. >> alcindor: ...the president doubled down on blaming democrats for separating children from their parents at the u.s.-mexico border. >> the democrats forced that lar uponation.

and they can change the whole border security. we need a wall, we need bo her security, e to get rid of catch and release. >> alcindor: but it was mr. trump's attorney general jeff sessions who enacted the policy. >> yes, we are pursing a zero- tolerance prosecution policy at the border. >> alcindor: as of last month, it mandates everyone caught illegally entering the united states will berosecuted, and children accompanying their parents will be separated andve placed in a ment facility or foster care while they wait for their day in court. toy, federal officials sai almost 2,000 children were senrated from adults betwee april 19 and may 31. in scranton, pennsylvania, sessions once again defended the policy as necessary. >> we're going to restore rule of law in our immigration system. that's a commitment that we made. >> alcindor: but bacin washington, the democrats pushed back. >> there's no policy justification for this. it's all political. the present is throwing red meat to his base when he does

that. >> alcindor: meanwhile, the president threw republican immigration efforts into a tailspin today, after he said he won't back a g.o.p. compromise bill in the house. >> i'm looking at both of them. i certainly wouldn't sign the more moderate one. >> alcindor: republican leaders reached an agreement to hold two votes next week on a pair of immigr ion bills, including a more moderate version. now, the white house says the president supports both bills. for the pbs newshour, i'm yamiche alcindor.uf >> woo in the day's other news, the trump administration hit china with punishing new titariffs, the latest esca in a trade battle with beijing. the u.s. imposed 25% tariffs on $50 billion worth of chinese impoprs. ident trump insisted that the u.s. had to act, aeder being "treery unfairly" by china.di beijing imely threatened to strike back with silar penalties on over 600 american products, from cars toans and seafood.

>> ( translated ): if the united states tes unilateral, protectionist measures, harming china's interests, we will quickly react and take necessary steps to resolutely protect our fair, legitimate rights. >> woodruff: president trump warned that if china retaliated, the u.s. was prepared to answer with tariffs on an additional $100 billion in chinese imports. a federal judge ordered former trump campaign chairman paul manafort to jail today, to await two criminal trials in special counsel robert mueller's russia investigation. manafort appeared in court in washington, and was taken into custody on charges of witness tampering. he is the first trump campaign official to be imprisoned as part of mueller's probe. later, rudy guiliani, president trump's personal attorney, told vee "new york daily news" that in light of the gainst manafort, mueller's investigation might get "cleaned up with some presidential pardons."

the afghan military says that a u.s. drone strike has killed the head of pakistan's taliban. afghan officials said mullah fazlullah died yesterday in afghanistan's rtheastern kunar province. fazlullah ordered the assassination attempt on nobel peace prize winner malala yousafzai in 2012. the u.s. military confirmed that it had killed a senior leader, but did not identify him as the target. at&tas completed its $81 billion takeover of time warner, two days aftederal ntdge approved the acquisition. the justice departad argued the media mega-merger would drive up tv reaming prices, and limit consumers' choices. but justice officials ultimately decided not to postpone the takeover, while regulators considered an appeal. the kellogg company is recling over a million boxes of its "honey smacks" cereal, after it

was linked to a salmonella outbreak in 31 states. the centers for disease control and prevention said more thanve 73 people otten sick so far, mostly in california, new york, pennsylvania and massachusetts. and, concerns about a u.s. trade war with china pushed stockswe on wall street today. the dow jones industrial average lost more than 84 points to close at 25,090. thpnasdaq fell 14, and the 500 slipped three. oustill to come on the newr: inside a children's migrant center in n diego. we speak to two north korea defectors about president trump's dealing with kim jong-un. le"he end of aids:" the che of beating back the epidemic in the american south. and much more.

>> woodruff: the u.s. departmeni of homeland se said today that nearly 2,000 children were separated from their families after illegally crossing the border in april and may. what happens to these kids has been a subject of ongoing debate. amna nawaz reports. >> nawaz: last year, more than 40,000 unaccompanied immignt children were housed in shelters run by the department of health and human services-- a network of more than 100 facilities in 17 states. children now spend an average of 56 days in these shelters.e those facilities is casa san diego in southern california, which houses 65 kids at a time and opened its doors to media today. jean guerrero of pbs member station kpbs was there, and joins me now. jean, there's obviously a lot of interest and facilities around the conversation of family separation. tell us what you saw inside thei ty and how you were able to get inside in the first

place. >> all right, so as yo mentioned, this is one of the smaller shelters, about 65. it's an all-boys shelter. basically, we got tothe children engaged in a variety of differentctivities, in classrooms reading, we also got to go outside and watch them playing soccer. so a varty of different activities showing the kinds of things they do at the shelter, but it was a process to be able to go this tour. as you mentioned, it was a very rare look inside of these children's department of health and human services rarely opens ia these shelters to the med because they want to protect the privacy of the children. so in order to parts at a time penn state in thr, we had to agree that we would not be doing any kind of vid recording, any kind of audio recording, no recording whatsoever, weren't allowed to speak to the children, so i houldn't interview any of this children to geteir firsthand experience of what it's like to live with these children. so even though we got to see

them engaged in a variety ofti acti, it didn't seem like they were hang a good time. it was a learn environment. we couldn't engage with them rectly to geteir experience. >> i should point out the pictures were handed out to us at the facilities and handed to the media since you weren't able to take your own pictures. very strict rules. no phones or recording devices, have to stay with the tour group, no interviews with the staff or children unless arranged in advance. how do the ds spend the days inside these shelters? >> right, so they get aut two hours of recreational activity, one hour structured, the other unstructured, they can do pretty much what they want. theyave six hou of educational activities, so some of the classroom stuff that we w, and they do -- one of the things i found really interesting is they're able to make two phone calls a week, ten-minute-long phone calls, pervised phone calls.

i thought that was interesting, given the fact an increasing number of the children are children who have been separated from their families unr the new zero tolerance policy and the new family separation practice we're seeing under the trump administration. videhe smelter didn't pro details as to ho how much an increase they've seen in children who are coming in, who are separated fr families,t they did indicate about 10% of the boys currently at the shelter were separated from their families, and the age range waso abut 6 to 17, and the average stay was conassistant with the other shelters, about 50 days total. >> jean, we know now the are government numbers we can share about all the children in custody, thea unccompanied childrend from ks fiscal near $17, half were over 1 half under 14,

two-thirds boys,0% from guatemala, el salvador and honduras. do you know any more about the sids in this facility?a >> yeah, we go chance to speak to a lot of different staff members at the shelter. the conclude clinician talked out how the children are coming from central america, in many cases fleeing violence and showing symptoms of trauma. he didn't provide any dethels buid mention that some of the trauma that they are tnessing in these children comes from the family separation issue and, so, they provide meetings with clinicians who do mental health evaluations immediately upon the arrival of the children and then they also do ongoing meetings with psychologists individually once a weeknd group settings also once a week. so really it was about trying to bring transparency to the onocess and what's goin at these shelters, trying to show us what the kis' lives are

like, but it was pretty difficult to really get a senseg of iten the fact that we weren't able to speak with the children directly evefn of the record. >> a brief but fascinating look inside one of these shelters. jean guerrero from our member station kbbs. thanks for your time. >> thank you. >> woodruff: as we rep earlier, president trump again praised north kore ts kim jong- ay in glowing terms. mr. trump has repeated that the nuclear apons issue is now more important than 70 years of human rights atrocities committed by t kim dynasty there. foreign affairs correspondent nick schifrin spoke today with two defectors, to brinhat view from the north. >> schifrin: of the 25 million residents of north korea, re than 30,000 have escaped, and lived to tell their stories.

sungju lee and ji seong-ho a two of those defectors. >> my father was a former military officer in north koa. i was born in pyongyang. and my father was working for kim il-sung. he passed away. after he died, kim jong-il, second leader in north korea, tried to clean the house. so that time, my father made a mistake saying, there is no hope in north korea. that's why my family was expelled to countryside. when i was in pyongyang, i was ught that north korea was one of the best countries in thed. wo but on the train cargo to the second hometown, well, theny were so eggars. there were so many, kind of,od kids, begging rom people. i question my father, where are we now? my father told me, son, this is e reality of north korea

>> ( translated ): i was always told i should be happy and thankful to our dear leader.as i believed iappy, until i looked around and saw the reality. people were dying and starving around me. when i was young, i saw my fandmother starved to death. i would steal com trains in order to trade it for food. and one day, i fell off the train, a that's where i lost my hand and leg. this is where hand was cut. >> although i was hungry, my fath forced me to go to school. one day, the principals gathered the students on the ground, and said the entire school would go to a public execution site to watch public execution. there was a man, he tried to steal copper from factories, and he smuggled this to china. so he got nine bullets from three police officers. and then, there was a woman. she met a south korean missionary in china. her crime was high treason. so she got nine bullets as well.

my father told me that, he wanted to go to china for food. i told him, don't go, becausell that's readangerous. because i saw public execution. >> schifrin: and did he ever e me back? >> no, he didn't cck. he didn't come back. meand then my mother left that is the last time-- ( sighs ) --last time that i could feel her, yeah. i had to survive by myself, because i'm the only child in my family. so i gathered friends. including me, we were >> schifrin: it was a gang. is that what you'd call it? >> yes, it's gang, because, at that time, there were y gangs. so many children gathered together because theto protect each other. >> schifrin: lee's grandfather found him the streets, and helped him escape to south korea. ji's journey, while disaed, was longer and harder. >> ( translated ): i had to go to laos, myanmar, and thailand, and take a 6,000 kilometer journey to get to safety in south korea.

it took over three months. at one point in laos, when i had to walk in the jungles on my crutches, it was justoo hard, and i cried, and i said, why did i have to be born in north korea? but i was on a journey to find freedom, and i promised to myself that if i made it safely to south korea, i would work hard to make sure nobody would have to go through what i went through. we areoined by one mor witness, his name is mr. jien ho. >> schifrin: that journey took him all e way to president trump's 2017 state of the union. he says he supports president trump's eting with kim jong- un, but says in it's important to talk about denuclerization and human rights. >> ( translated ): i am hoping that this summit was not a one- off meeting.ho there will be more summits and meetings between the u.s. and north korea, and trumpn will raith korean human rights. >> nuclear issue and humanri ts issue has to go together. united states is established based on values, which are

freedom, democracyand human rights. i'm really appreciate ericans. because you have these values, enjoy these values. also, you guys havyour own duty, which is that, if you have freedom, if you have demracy, if you have human rights, you have to share these values with those who don't have these values. >> schifrin: in e last few years, north koreans have haded more fre to run independent businesses. sungju lee predicts that will change the country. >> with these markets, the newth generationnew social class are growing. so if the number of these people panded, that's going to be time for the change of north korea.ch >>rin: sungju lee and ji seong-ho recently won nationalr

endowment mocracy awards for their work getting other north koreans to safety. but sungju lee's most important defectoras from his own past. tell me how you responded when you found out your father was stilalive. >> i saw my father in south korea. sjust cried. there's nothing . there was nothing to say. literally, i cried and cried again. so my father approached me, and hugged me, saying, son, i'm so sorry. and both of us were crying. >> schifrin: you reunited with your father, and you're also rking to reunify korea. why? what does it mean to reunify korea for you? >> it's only way to go home. that's my personal thinking. it's not government. it's for people, people living on korean peninsula.

>> schifrin: but until then, north korewill remain a closed dictatorship, full of human rights abuses, as well ascl missiles, and r weapons. for the pbs newshour, i'm nick schifrin. >> woodruff: now, the last in our series on "the end of aids." last night, we looked at the severe epidemic in the city of miami, florida. but as william brangham and producer jason kane report, the rest of florida is struggling, too. a, the american south, sti poverty and lack of health care drive h.i.v. rates higher than anywhere else in the country. this series was supported by th. pulitzer cen >> brangham: h.i.v. thrives in places like this. while the florida keys are a tourist mecca, its sprawling distances and small towns make it a hard ace to contain a

virus. some patients, like jason barth, do seek out lifesaving h.i.v. care, which is now proven to prevent transmission of the virus to others. buydr. jerry jackson says m don't come, and so, new cases keep pping up in the keys. >> we should have zero. buininstead, last year, i thk we had 22 in our small little town. >> brangham: locals here joke that heading north in florida takes you straight into the deep south. that includes a place known as america's sweetest town: clewiston, florida, home of the sugar company u.s. sugar. you were so cute! and home to timothy "tad" dean. you remember any of the cheers from then? >> i do, but i'm not doi one now. >> brangham: i don't blame you. almost 8,000 people live in clewiston, on the banks of lake

okeechobee, and dean jokes that every single one of them knows his name. they know his family... hi, lovies. >> brangham: ...and they know that he's gay. >> everybody in this tamn knows who >> brangham: you mean, the guy at the gas station? >> the gas staon. >> brangham: --the taqueria? >> the police department. the sheriff's department. i mean, goodwill. i mean, everybody knows whi am, and everybody should know my story by now. >> brangham: that's partly why, 15 years ago, dean was devastated to learn he was h.i.v. positiv he was scared of the virus, yes, but more so by the prejudice and myths people have about those living with h.i.v. >> you can't touch their hand. you can't do anything with them. because they're infecting everything. you didn't want to go to the theater with them, because that seat was now infected. or, don't go to the restaurant that he just went from. so, i mean, it was sad. >> brangham: public health officials say these prejudices and fears conspire with poverty

and lack of health care to keep america's h.i.v. epidemic alive and well in the south. it's estimated that more than half of all undiagnosed h.i.v. cases are in the southern u.s. more than half of all new diagnoses occur in the south. including d.c., eight of the top ten states with the highest new ayagnoses are here as well. and timothy dean people just don't want to talk about it >> it's not out there. the messages are not o billboards. they're not on the bus stops. there's no message here. >> brangham: after five years of silence, dean decided to-- as he puts it-- "live positive,"g tattooe words on his arm, and speaking out publicly. >> i woke up oneorning, i'm like, dude, better do something. there are kids out there who are putting themselves in danger, putting their self at risk so, how can i use this as my platform? four columns for four girls... >> brangham: today, dean works

two jobs: he coaches young women in poise and technique for beauty pageants... and, for his day job, he also coaches newly diagnosed h.i.v.- positive people at the local department of health. we weren't allowed to film there, and none of his clients were open to talking with us. still too much fear, dean says. >> they're afraid they're not going to be loved. they're not going to be cared for, by their families and their friends. they're scared their friends are going to leave. a lot of people here that are positive don't even come to care here. they'll go out of to. brangham: this fear has some very real consequences. studies show that stigma and prejudice around h.i.v. can leah to higher-riskior, which can increase the chance of infection, and not taking medication regularly. jon cohen has covered h.i.v./aids around the world for "science magazine" and was our partner on this series. >> you know, we're also in the bible belt. there's a really stron >> brangham: people don't think of florida that way, but-- >> but, certainly, radions we've alseen that aren't that

far from miami, very religious, you know? and that influences the way people respond to the groups who are at risk. let's take gay men, u know? and so that makes people afraid to simply go get an h.i.v.est, because they're worried that somebody at the clinic's going fo say, "hey," you know? "your son came ia test, what's up here?" you know? >> brangham: or, you sidle up to someone at the pharmacy and they see what you're getting, and-- >> exactly. you don't even want to go get your drugs at your town pharmacy! all of that makes it a really dangerous place, in many ways, for mebody living with h.i.v >> you know, it's like we're on a desert island! you know, a deserted island! and unless you are h.i.v., you have no clue on what we're dealing with. >> brangham: this woman is h.i.v. positive, and lives in north-central florida. she asked we not reveal her identity-- we'll call her susan. she's struggled with her meds,

and making it to the doctor an hour away, but what's hardest, she says, is the silence and the judgment. after susan found out her status, even her husband said, "don't tell anyone." >> ery visit, the doctor's saying, "tell your children." and my husband, all the way home, arguing, no. he said, "i'm telling you, don't tell them. you'll be sorry, because they'll treat u different. they'll be different toward you." and i said, no! usan eventually did tell her kids, and she later found her way to this supportou - all h.i.v. positive women-- called "lets talk about it." and it's run by the non-profit rural women's health project t it only group of its kind for 15 counties. that's a huge swath of north- central florida. >> we've come through some things together. some very serious things. >> brangham: if you spend time with this group, the fir thing you realize is that h.i.v. still hangs over each of them like a scarlet letter.

>> you tell someone you have cancer, and they're so sympathetic with you. but you say you have h.i.v., and that's a whole different ball game. >> they think we're ther sluts, or we're drug users. you know, when they find out tyou're h.i.v., first thiy want to know is, "how did you get h.i.v.?u what did do wrong?" >> brangham: they say it's like the u.s. hasn't moved past decades-old misconceptions. >> its still going on. it's 2018! what's the problem, what's the situation? what are the issues? why is this problem still so deep in the south? it all goes back to the stigma, way back not know about the disease!>> hen the women talk about education, they mean it because they live it. >> brangham: robin lewy runs the rural women's health project. she says even misuerstandings about how h.i.v. is transmitted,

how contagious h.i.v. is, increases the women's sense of isolation. th when we talk about stigma, you have to realiz we have some women living in households where, when they sit down for a al, they're given a pape plate to eat off of, and plastic silverware. and the rest of the family isla using replates and knives and forks. >> brangham: wait, everyone else has a regular plate? >> erybody else is eating wi a regular plate. that's stigma. we've hawomen who talk to us about, in their own homes, the rest of the family going in and spraying bleach on their toilet after she has used the bathroom. >> brangham: in this day and age? >> 2018. >> brangham: the women say there's plenty of blame to go around-- lack of education, religious intolerance, racism, even resistance from local health officials. when angela pretto tried to art an earlier support group at her church, a county health department intervened, telling her not to mention h.i.v. in any of her flyers-- no telling what the neighbors might do. >> so i had to change the name to the "step club," like an

exercise group or something. we have to break the stigma. and this is the face of h.i.v.. >> and it's a great face. >> brangham: marvene edwards says getting past l of this will mean people like her speaking out and overcoming their own, internal stigma. she spent years wondering, "why me?" >> you come to a point in your life when you say, why not? why not me? you know? that's when you gotten to the point where you're okay in you own skin. and, you got to get to that point! where, who, what care about what other people say or think, becausthey're going to say and think what they want to, anyway! i will not allow what another person thinks, dictates, to me, the woman that i am. because i'm bigger than h.i.v. it lives in my house. >> brangham: back in the florida

keys, jason barth ys, nearly two decades on, he's mostly at peace with his own h.i.v. diagnosis. >> i don't want to be dened by it. i don't want that to be the one ing people define me by. >> brangham: he's now on topnotch h.i.v. medication. the virus inside? undetectable. but jason still has a lab report he got back in 1996-- one that shows how very close he came to death.h. i.v. had destroyed nearly all his immune cells why did you keep this? most people throw their lab reports out. >> a reminder of where i was, and how low i was at the time. to keep meppreciating what i have now. rural south has struggled responding to its epidemic, and has often been less than hospitableose living with h.i.v. but jason barth is a reminder that no matter how bad things

get, circumstances can change. for the pbs newshour, i'm william brangham, in tavernier, florida. >> woodruff: now, an theaordinary crisis f catholic church, and test for the pope himself. this week, popfrancis announced that he would accept hoe resignation of three b in the south american country of chile. days later, chilean poli made surprise raids on church offices. it is all part of an ongoing child abuse scandal that began in 2010, and continues to reverberate across latin america and beyond. jeffrey brown reports from santiago, chile. >> brown: jaime concha says he was just ten years old when the abuse began. >> ( translated ): there are six adults who abused me again,

repeatedly and systematically, between the year 1973 and 1979. it'ss if a pack, a tribe, a group of sexual predators had attacked me time and time again. and that for me was alike a murder. i felt they as if they had murdered me. >> brown: at the time, he was a fifth-grader at this catholic school in santiago. took more than 40 years before concha was able to speak publicly about what happen. >> ( translated ): a victim of sexual abuse does not speak when he wants. he speaks when he can. because our victimizers silence us. i have been able to heal by seeing that my suffering became meaningful in the search for justice. >> brown: other victims are alst speakingand today, nearly 80 catholic clergy across chile have been accused of sexually abusing minors over the last several decades. the child abe scandal here has grown into a national crisis, in a country in which the catholic church has historically been one of the most powerful

institutions. >> ( tranated ): we began with a horrific story that was hardto to believe, day, it's become a cultural problem, a problem about our social structure. >> brown: in 2010, investigative journalist paulina de lende salazar received a tip that sexual abuse and cover-up pad been ram within the chilean church for decades. >> ( translat): the reaction was hard, especially for the faithful. oespecially for the ones blindly believed in the catholic church. >> bwn: her reporting uncovered widespread abuse by father ferndo karadima of santiago, a widely respected and powerful priest who many felt would one day be declared a saint by the church.tr >> ( slated ): fernando karadima was the tip of the iceberg that uncovered a systems ual abuse. he trained bishops under his own structure, a conservative and rigid one that abused its power. >> brown: jose andres murillo, now 43, claimed father karadima

sexually abused him in the 1990s while he trained to become a priest. he says many chileans initially refused to believe the allegations. how were you treated? what were you called? >> we were gays or enemies of the church, trying to destroy thmorale and the ethics of country. it was very, very hard. >> brown: in 2011, father karadima, then 80, was found guilty by the vatican of sexually abusing young boys. he was forced to retire and sentenced by the church to a lifetime of penance and prayer-- but he never faced criminals, charecause of chile's statute of lpuitation laws. ic perception slowly changed, as more allegations of abuse came to light. and the scandal has clearly had an impact. today, just 36% of chileans sa c they trust trch, and the number who identify as catholic is dowfrom 61% in 2010, to

45% last year. >> ( translated powerful church that still today does not understand what happened. it does not understand the damage it caused. >> brown: when pope francis came to chile in january, he clearl hoped to begin to repair the damage. instead, he was forced to address his own appointment of juan barros as a bishop in 2ca5, a move tha after barros had been accused of witnessing and covering up the sexual abuses committed by father karadima barros has denied the allegations. francis inially defended barros, going so far as to charge his accusers with slander. >> ( translated ): the investigation of barros went on, but no evidence came out. for this reason, what i meant is that i can't condemn hause i don't have evidence, and because i am convinced he is innocent. >> brown: but the pope's comments drew outrage in chile

and beyond, spurring him to order a new investigation into the extent of abuse. its findings led francis to issue an citing his own "serious errors of judgment and perception of the situation." in may, he summoned all of chile's bishops to rome for a and later invited the three original accusers of father karadima to come to the vatican to ask their forgiveness. >> never in my life i would think i would be invited by the pope to the vatican to talk to him.th was unthinkable. i thought that i would have, like, 15 or 20 minutes to talk to him. afterwards, we talked during two hours. yo brown: were you satisfied with what he tol >> yes. i'm satisfied with what i told him. >> brown: with what u told him? >> yes, yes. because that's what i can control. >> brown: soon after, all 34 of

chile's bishops offered to resign. m a news conference in la that we attended, one of them, bishop fernando ramos, read a letter from the pope tt promised the church would "never again ignore the coverup of abuse." i spoke with bishop afterwards. how serious a crisis is this for e chilean church? >> ( translated ): i think it's a very serious crisis. our relationship with the chilean society is being seen through these situations and not n is.d what our miss >> brown: the words we hear are very strong words: "abuse," "cover-up," "indifference," from the church itself. do you accept all of this now? >> i can't say that the whole church is abuse and cover-up, i ink that would be unfair but, nevertheless, there is and there have been, in the church, situations of abuse cover- up, which is why we have to work intensely to overcome it. >> brown: but juan carlos claret, a spokesperson for a lay catholic group formed the

wake of the abuse scandal, says more direct action is requir. >> we have to recogne that the chilean government, in regards to protecting children, has very weak laws. at concerns us about the bishops' resignations is that a resignation en masse may end up dissolving their criminal responsibility. for this reason, we have formally demanded that if thels pope revhat there are bishops who have committed crimes, such as the destruction of evince, they are turned over to justice. >> brown: last month, chile's president sebastian pinera presented a bill that would remove the statute of limitations on sex crimes. jaime concha and other victims have recently filed criminal complaints against three ts and other members of the church. >> ( translated ): we want the criminals to be where they need to be: that's jail. t and thre be no impunity. >> brown: on a recent sunday morning in santiago, many pewsch in this chere empty. but some congregants here said the crisis could offer a new way

forward. >> ( translated ): this is a great chance for the pope to give us the church that we really need at this time. this situation is in no way the end of the church. >> i pray for the pope because i hope he acts as he should-- with strength. and i think that all of us who are faithful, support him in that sse. >> brown: eight years after first going public, jose andres murillo no longer considers himself a catholic. he now heads a foundation that offers training to those who work with children, investigw es arges of abuse, and helps victims slowly recover their lives. >> now the meaning of my life is to fight against the child sexual abuse. and the church is ine of almost 200 million of children in the world. and i owe them the right to develop theifaith free of abuse. >> brown: this week the pope

announced he would acct the resignations of bishop juan barros and two others. in response, juan andres murillo told us he hopes the pope ll accept more resignations in thee coming. for the pbs newshour, i'm jeffrey brown in santi uf >> woo that's syndicated columnist mark shields, and "new york times" columnist david brooks.to welcomoth of you. let's start with what happened this week on the other side of the pacific ocean. david, the president met, historic meeting, kim jong un, the leader of north korea.en the prescomes away saying there's no more nuclear threat, he's got very god personal chemistry, personal relationship with many . kim, what's yor take? >> i read a joke that the lion can lie down wih themb but

you've got to get a new lamb each day give him credit than a lot other people who are reading. we were terrified si eight months ago that we were heading in a bad direction and there wag of things spinning out of control. now that doesn't seem to be the case. tensions have settled. there seems to be no risk of rynfrontation or war, so, to me, that's the big sthat's the lead and a good thing. once you get to the second and third paraggph, it beins the eeter yet quickly -- the things trump said about regime, calling a murderous dictator a tough guy, that's horrific. the way human rights were not acknowledged. he did a good thing in the worst possible way. woodruff: what's your take, mark? >> in awe months ago, you hadj

two or powers flexing their nuclear biceps and issuing serious threats to another and thought we were on the edge of war. we're not today. that's good. i have no idea what's in it. i don't ow anybody else who does in the agreement. ured us --ent ass >> woodruff: well there's not an agreement. >> there's not an agreement in the documts, but this is a regime that stands alone in the rld for hundreds of thousands of people being exterminated, that has consistently, as a matter of policy, used rape and forcible abortions and starvation on its own people, hundreds of thousands of people have been exterminated.an for the president to -- i'm not, you know, insisting that human rights be e centerpiece, but it has been important in every american element of

foreign policy over ast generations. i mean, from jimmy carter to ronald reagan, it's been central, and human rights -- ths unittes didn't invent human rights, but as was said, human rights wasn't invented in america e president is blightly indifferent to that. ates foil to what hapened in europe or quebec in the g7 the week befyoore. see him in two different relationships. with somebody like pres,ent putin or kim jong u it's dictator to dictator, we understand how to deal with power relationships, he feels comfortable in that kind of thing. when he w dealih trudeau or merkel, it should be friends, a relationshion affection, mutual trustnd reporosity and he's uncomfortable in that. >> how do you explain that? is business life h's not had those type relationships. he's had relationships based on

self-interest and turning to dominate and he feels mfortable in one kind of relationship and that's even true with him in the white house. he hs a relationship based on who's useful to who, not we are a band of i brothethis together. >> but at this point, mark, your point is at least we're not -- we don't think we're on the verge of wa. >> no, we aren't. and i think that's good. i think thas a positive. churchill said it far betante orter that jaw, jaw, jaw iswa better tha war, war and i think that's true. >> woodruff: the justice hooking at how the f.b.i. looked at the hillary clinton investigation. tough on james comey, saying he was insubordinate, other touitgh ism of him but, ultimately, the 500 pagesy concluded the e f.b.i. handled it did not demonstrate bias. thpresident said this common rates him and proves the leadership of the f.b.i. was all

bad. what are we to make of it? >> i think it common rates all of us. (laughter) i think the main -- again, it's one of these deals where you've got a headline and then soem undercutting subterfuge, and the the headline to me is baically the institution worked, that the actual investigations were w basically dohout any political bias and that's worthe nding people there is such a thing as a professional civil service these days when everyone thinks it's all political and a swamp. it's not a swamp. these are hard working people and thee y seem to hen basically doing their job. there are a couple of derits on that. a couple of e-mails people were clearly denoted by a trump bia we've seen rudy giuliani in the inst couple of days ramp up rhetoric about thestigation and it seems to, along with the mark sanford defeat, if trump ever takes action against mueller, the g.o.p. will get in line and will have more evidence to say it'a corrupt

investigation. as for comby, he had a tough call, to disclose or not to disclose something. i could argue it either way. i take the i.g. verdict that he made the wrong call. so he'll get some criticism for that and maybe justifiable. it is, frankly, a little intesting to me to se a lot of democrats suddenly being in favor of secrecy in government and, oh, we've got to keep these things secret befo an election. as a personal matter, i think secrecy is often a good thing in government and open government is not always a good thing and i'm glad to see so much support from the left these days. >> take where it you get it. (laughter) >> woodruff: does this reportma clear the airk? >> no, there's something for everybody. i mean, if you're a flat earth person or round earth personso there'sething. you've got evidence, very sparse, but ther enough was thee that there wa a bias.

admirers of the president himself cannot answer if there was this great conspiracy against hill and they had all the information about paul manafort and donald trump, jr. and meeting with the russiansit why waot mentioned during the campaign and the onlyon actionhe part of the f.b.i. during the campaign were if anything detrimental to the candidacy of hillary clinton.e but irony is that -- the report to me,a anyway -- is t donald trump's original rationale for getting rid of james comey which was in a letter of rod rosenstein about his handling of the clinton charges, you know, likely g some corroboration in the report, but the irony, of course, is that trump himself abandoned that as soon as he met lester holtz' microphone and started talking to the russian ambassador. i was going to get rid ofcomey regardless of anything, get him ringdouble parking or tea

the tag off the mattress. >> and you mentioned rudyul giiani, the president's lawyer. he is saying as a result of this report that the mueller investigation needs to be put on hold. >> yeah, which, you know, again it's a reminder there are professional investigations and mueller seems to be holding aes pronal investigation, but the e-mails were bad and if you believe the deate is against your guy donald trump, those e-mails look like a vend case for your point of view. theout thing that's resurfaced and we keep re-litigating the 2016 election is the comey decision to go public cost hillary clinton the election, and there is evidence to that, the polling shifted with that. the only thing i would say, thaf story had succt because it confirmed the key vulnerability that hillary clinton brought into the election that she washe part to haveorrupt old establishment. it reminded people of what they didn't like about her inhe first place and some of it was

nominating a person who was exactly wrong for thre issue of the electorate. >> woodruff: the issue of immigratio mark, so much conversation. annterview with a reorter at the beginning of the show spent a day at the dtention center where they're keeping children separate from the families, this has now become the symbol of the administration policy thwart immigrants. the president said todayheat one poin said he wasn't, for whatever the republicans are doing and then i guess the white house issued a statement latwe todach left it unclear that he could go either way. are we going to see clarity on ththe issue of immigration at anytime soon from thisra adminion? >> no nothing can pass the congress, and anything theygh get by the house with only republican votes, they would get no democratic votes presently drawn, can't get in the senate.

mitch mcconnell is not going to take it upth president said he was against the moderate plan and then, this afternoon, came back and saidno, no, he wasn't talking about the moderate plan, he was talking about the discharge petition.u know, so this is an example, n anybody wants to know why donald trump wilt testify before the mueller investigation, this is a perfect example, he cann sustain an answer for six hours to answer a question based on facts. it's that simple. as far as immigration is concerned, i think it's really turning against the admionstration. no the catholic bishop of scranton who had a scorching sionsment when jeff ses appeared today -- not personal, but what america stood for us with christian values ande welcoming tranger. even evangelicals and the baptist convention stepped out against the separation of family, you don't take a child ther.from its m i don't think there's any question it's not only wrong and immoral, it's a loser

politically at this point for the administration. >> woodruff: david. hen he heard the wrd moderate he reacted like it was the word rabies. (laughter) >> woodruff: well... and then on ths issue, i agree with mark and i go back to my thing of why he can't deal with fe iends in th. if you take qualities like affection, mercy, charity, compassion, empathout of an administration, you wind up with policies like tha. administrations in the past could have done this. the law sort of allows it. >> and citing the bible. then you cite the bible on your behsalf which ludicrousness on stilts. but every other minister said it's not who we are. we don't separate families, maybe a legal pretext but we don'do that, but because maybe there is native compassion and empathy and that's been drained out of this policy, and it's abhorrent. >> woodruff: and on that note, we will leave it. david brooks, mark shields, thank you.

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