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robert: president trump infiltered, from singapore to the white house, he is, as ever, combative. i'm robert costa. t ho trump doctrine is battling intrarge order and an f.b.i. report quickly becomes a political flashpoint tonight on "washington week." president trump: we haven't given up everything. i think the meeting was every bit as good for the unite states as it was for north korea. robert: after ato hisry-making hand shake and sned agreement, president trump declares north korea is no longer a nuclear threat. but some in his own party remain skeptical. >> this is the beginning, i arink, of a long,g l process. robert: there e bipartisan concerns about the president's decision to suspend joint military exercises wh south korea. >> i think the exercises are important. i'd like to see them continue.
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is looking toum ummita similar one-on-one with russian president vladimir putin. plus, the justice department inspector general divers its report about the f.b.i.'s investigion into hillary clinton's emails. and president trump's former campaign chairman is headed to jail. we discuss it all with mark landler of the "new york times," anne gearan of "the washington post," susan glasser of "the new yorker," a jeff zeleny of cnn. announcer: this is "washington week." corporate funding is provided by -- >> their leadership is instinctive. they understand the challenges of today and research the technologies of tomorrow. some callm t veterans.
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journalism foundation. the corporation for public broadcasting, and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. once ain, from washington, moderator, robert costa. robert:good eveng. the long history of american diplomacy has featured many turbulent chapters, but long-standing u.s. allies have fairly faced such blunt challenges over trade, as they did at the g-7 meeting in recent days. and u.s. presidentsave rarely directly engaged dictators like north kea's kim jong-un as president trump did this week in singapore. during the landmaree mng, both sides discussedth nor korea's nuclear weapons program and security assurances for kim jong-un, but they did not address huights concerns about the kim regime, north korea's ballistic missiles, or the missile defense system the
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u.s. helped install s inouth korea. the signed joint statement calling for a nuclear free north korean peninsula is nonbinding and lax a time line or concrete commitments from north korea about how it w dismantle its de nir ars-- nuclear arsenal. president trump: we have a very good relationship with north erea. when i cnto this job, it looked like war. not because of me. if you remember the sit-down with barack obama, he said the biggest problem that the united states has and by far the most dangerous problem and he said to me that we've ever had, because of nuclear, is north korea. now that was shortly before i entered office. i have solved tt problem. robert: mark, when you think about the handshake, it was a historic moment but there's also the meaning of theke hands in terms of policy and the president's put war games and removing them from the south
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rean area on the table with the north korean region. what does that mean for thegi , for china, they want to see u.s. with a smaller footprint? mark: war games, a term the president used, a loaded term because these are joint mitary exercises. the north koreans refer to them as war games to give him a moret aggressivee but by putting them on the table, the message i think he's sending is that the b allianween the u.s. and south korea is in play to a certain extent. he's willingako a concession on something the south koreans view as ae centerpi the u.s.-south korean alliance and it's not just a south korean iue. the japanese will look at this and say, how commied is the u.s. to japan and its alliance in the long run. president has talked about in the long run wit american troops from the korean peninsula so all of these things our allies in east asia took for granted for decades are now in play as a result of this diplomatic overture.
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robertwhat are other concessions that could be on the table? >> this is also something that china has wanted. china's diplomatic play on north korea for some time, which the u.s. used to reject out of time, was what they called a freeze for freeze, the u.s. would no longer hold what china considers to be provocative exercises in its backyard, in water china wants to consider as part of its -- we call it international waters and say that the chinese are overstepping. they say we're overstepping. that we would no longer do those exercises and in exchange for a freezen the chinese part on sanctions. and so essentially what trump d was to give the chinese the part that they have been seeking from us in stopping these exercises. which is not to say thathat
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isn't a prelude to potential concessions from north korea but we d't know that par yet. what we know is that he offered to give up somethi that the chinese and the north koreans have been wanting him to give up for a while. robert: where was south korea at this summit? ol not there but certainly played a huge in making it happen. without president moon jae-in of south korea, the summit would not have happened. what i was struck was how quick it came together. three months and three days after the president first walked into the briefing room march 8 and said i have an announcement ming up tonight, stay tuned. what's it on, mr. president? i happened to be in the briefing room. he said he was accepting tins tation so that was an invitation south korea brought. soouth korea was central to this but they were not at the summit and were surprised and caught off guard by the fact that the joint military exercises were called off. i think something was extraordinary this week.
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i don't think the white house anticipated, talking to peoplet afterward, t a joint headline was going to be that the presidentravels to singapore and makes a concession that will anger the pentagon, cause concern among republicans on capitol hill. they did nothing to pave the way for calling off the joint exercises. it seemed to me it was a last-minute thing and using the word "war games," i'm not sure th president knew he was using p'yongyang's language.ro rt: you said anger the pentagon. secretary mattis at the pentagon haset been somewhat qui in this process but sectary of state pompeo has been out front. >> secretary of state pompeo has taken the lead preparing the summit and working with president trump, accordinre to rts, no easy task pulling off the summit in a short period of time. secretary mattis made an extraordinary speech today at n theal war college. he made comments about russiah whemed out of step with president trump's more favorable
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view of vladimir putin, but interestingly, he also made a comment about north korea in this deal. he said it's a possie path towards peace now with north korea. now, that is a wildly different characterizations of the outcome of the summit than the president's grandiose words saying that he solved the nuclear issue once and for all. there's notng to suggest in the actual outcome of the summis or t short, vaguely worded communique they issued at thed the summit, there's nothing in there that says the nuear program is resolved. it's much more vaguely worded than previous commitments that north korea has agreed to inh negotiations whe united states and other countries. previous commitments that, of course, north korea has actually reneged on in the past. so, again, there's this gap between the presint's
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out-sized claims for what he's achieved in the north korea summit and there'shis huge rift within his own government. in any othern, administrate would be talking about that as the big story. robert: didn't kim commit to denuclearization? or is it more complicated than that? >> kim committed in principle to denuclearizing but north korea's commted to doing that several back in the past, as far as 1992. >> i think it's 12. >> that's right. this is aommon thing, the north koreans have put this on the table. defined exactly >> so the time table for doing it, how you verify it and modalities of h you do it are all basically the substance of what negotiations are about. that's what the clinton administration spent years negotiating and what the bush administration also spent yea negotiating, unsuccessfully in both cases. so a vague kind of airation to denuclearizing gets you
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basically to the starting line. it doesn't get you any further than that and the criticism isde that pre trump extracted that in return for all the prestige and validation and legitimatation he gave to kim. robert: what does that prestige mean for kim when he sees videos provided by the administration about hotels in p'yongyang? >> means everything and i think the flattery we've seen in previous examples of the president traveling around the world. the president is flattering kim jong-un. he's half his age, 34 years old, calling him a terrific negotiator, a master negotiator, strong man. and i was so struck by all that. but o thing, we were all briefed by the secretary of state in singapore, and secretary poaieo repeatedly, verify, verify, verify. that word was not in the statement at all. so i think the cleanup now and the details her obviously will be left to the secretary of
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state. >> the presidents doing his own thing. >> the secretary of state will be left to actually do it and it's much harder task. robert: but the president keeps building his own worldrder, his own new doctrine. susan reported todays that h looking to meet with russian president vladimir putin after saying he would like toru see ia join the g-8. susan: first of all we know president trump has ts long-standing fascination with vladimir putin. he's consisteny the only person who president trump has not criticized on the world stage aside from that one minor tweet afteryrhen chemical weapons incident. trump has had it in his head, as i reported this morning, ever since march, when the famous "do not congratulate" phone call, after president putin won re-election and of course president trump did culate him and also invited him to the oval office -- nobody really took thati seriously think, because they thought that's
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insane, right, in the pol tics ofs, in the middle of the special counsel investigation with all the questions trump and russia, why would he do this, and yet, in fac they have been negotiating over this. it looks like soon as in july president trump and president putin cou meet. anne: they could attach it to th m natoting. president trump answered that question today. he said that talking to putin, including putin in things like the g-7, formerly the g-8, is the same as talking to north korea, that -- and it gave a window into what trump's version of diplomacy is and the trump world order which is very personal, very direct. he thinks he can make a difference by having a personal relationship with dictators, with leaders -- whoever they may be -- a he is willing to set aside any number of concerns
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that the united states raises in other forms, in order to have that per because he thinks he can get business done and that's what he said wanted to do. robert: let's not forget the 7, attacking allies on trade, taking onti lon u.s. allies. he says it's a transactional relationship that matters, the economic rationship that matters. but this is so different from the history of u.s. foreign policy which h so often been about values. >> you're right about that but the point to build on what anne said is that not only does trump see the upside in foreign policy in talking to our adversaries, he sees our alls almost exclusively in terms of downside. our allies are free riders, free loaders, they've locked us into deals that are against our advantage and if one were to define the trump world view, it's to shred existing alliances and look for new relationships
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around the world. robert: the nato meeting is coming up soon. should w oe expect movesn that front? >> in brussels in four weeks. sure. i think somef these relationships, everything seems so dramatic. he had emanuel macron, they wdse best fri and at the g-7, that was blown up but tonight again he tweeted, blaming the verage on the g-7 on the fake news media, saying there was no problem at all. that's simply not true. i'm not exactly sure why he's doing that but clearly, a couple of days after he reads a lot ofe news cover and has had time to watch commentary, he's obsessed and often changes his view byhat he hears or sees so i think he's actually a little bit worried abo fraught relations. robert: it's not just newspapers pilingp in the oval office that he's reading, it's republican comments about h o positi trade. senator bob corker said the g.o.p. is coltish on how it's fallen along the president o
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>> he said his fellow republican senators were afraid to poke the bear, poke president trump. the is evidence to suggest that's true when it comes to the politics of it here. but i think actually that's part of why trump maybe has misread his allies in attackinghem so hard, i don't think he realized, a, they don't playhe politics way that he does, and they actually think that the rhetoric of the president ofhenited states matters in a way that trump, i think, is not used to being taken literally. number one. number two, i think trump may not really fully understand that the politics in other countries, in canada, in germany,n france, and in many of the countries in east asia, as well, president trump is wildly unpopular there. there is an ermous political imperative, actually, to theseow fellies and world leaders, to stand up to donald trump. these countries don't like donald trump to smack around their leaders, to insult the prime minister of canada when he's hosting a major gbal
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summit. the politics are good for justin trudeau to say, you kw, in a polite, canadian way, screw your mrident. and i think that trump hasn't fully thought thrsgh, what d it mean to be america alone, that the word i keep hearing from allies and people in europe when i've traveled there recently. robert: these are not isolated issues. you have the president goingn after china trade, $50 billion in new tariffs as he's ornegotiating with north. >> absolutely simultaneously the trump administration is asking china to go on a limb and continue enforcing sanctions against north korea and presumablyrod north korea along to make the deal that is outlined in that page and a half agreemt to keep talking, and at the same time he's slapping tariffs on up to $50 billion
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woh of goods with immediate retaliation by china. it'sof kin- yes, they're two different tracks. but they're happening so cse gether and they simply can't be separated politically and they certainly can't be separated by xi jinping. >> he's made an explicit connection betweenhe two. he said at the summit, part of the reason china may not be as cooperative onanctions is because he's been tough on them on trade so he's actually put t these tngs on the same track and that makes it very complicated for him going forward on north korea and trade.ta roberting about blurred lines, let's turn to the russia probe. today a federal judge ordered former trump campaign chairman paul manafort to be jailed aheaf his trial.se special col robert mueller accused the 69-year-o manafort and a russian associate of necontacting potential wites and asking them to lie to the jury. manafort is facing a number of federal charg iluding money
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laundering, illegally lobbying and tax conspiracy. president trump: paul manafort worked forr me a very short period of time. he worked for ronald reagan, he worked for b dole, he worked for john mccain. he worked fore for, what, 49 days or something? a short period of time. robert: he was the campaign chairman and we know tha we have fact-checked that. if you look at this manafort trial, now that he's going to jail, will he break? will he cooperate like so many others have with? muell >> that's the central question here. the president has said so muchpe about theal counsel's investigation. m bobller has kept his head down, doing his work in the courtroom but wt he did today is significant. i would not have said up to this point that mreafort would or cooperate and he may not but this certainly raises the stakes on all of that. but a bit ofec perve, yes,
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it was 49 days but, bob, as you know without paul manafort, donald trump likely would not have become the nominee or had as smooth of a ride at the convention. paul manafort was i charge of the delegates. this is an example of the president met all day onth sday, or most of the day with his lawyers, talked to them a lot throughout e day. it's one of the reasons he has unplugged a little bit in talking about all of this. we saw him on the northf lawn the white house this morning answering all these questions, frying to get --et trying to his point of view and seizing on the i.g. report saying he's exonerated but the manafort thing, we have to keep an eyethn . this is as serious as it's been and we don't know i he'll flip or not. robert: the president's chief lawyer, rudy giuliani, dangled the idea of pardons, not directly to manafort, but dangled thein a series of interviews. >> that's kind of been the implication, the unspoken thing ehat's hung in the air all
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along. resident himself is widely thought of -- some of the other pardonss made recently have been seen as setting a precedent in place for him to dangle pardons for people that are directly involved in this so that's the next sort of twist to watch i ts mueller story. robert: susan, we have to turn to the others big news this week. the justice department released a sweeping report about the f.b.i.'s investigation into hillary clinton's private emails. the inspector general fnd former f.b.i. director james comey made mistakes and should not have bypassed his boss, then attorney general loretta lynch, in how he made announcements about the clinton investigation. it concluded that while combr e with protocol, the f.b.i. was not motivated by political bias yet the president said he was exonerated. these are separate investigations. susan: that's exactly right and that, in a remarkable appearance before the press this morning, on a variety of topics, probably
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the president's mischaracterization of this inspector general's report was one of the most consequential in saying it exonerates him for something it doesn't even relate to. number two, i never cease to marvel at the ability of the president and his defenders to fl around the subject when it comes to f.b.i. director james comey and the 2016 election. robert: they're making an institutional argument. susan: not only but you have to say, to the extent that comey intervened inhe election, it was clearly on behalf of donald tmp, not o behalf of hillary clinton. it's almost this inversion of reality any time the president talks about it, that is fascinating, nber one. but, you know -- giuliani came out after the rseort, it as a pretext to say that the president should fire the special counsel, robert mueller, who is not the subjecthif
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report. robert: everything in washington these days seems to bebout perception. you look at the text messages from the f.b.i. agents saying we'll end it,alking about the trump campaign. republicans have seized on that and the f.b.i. i.g. said thatwa 't appropriate conduct. tne: there's something i report for everyone and trump is seizing on, part, and republicans in congress, are also seizing on parts that support his narrative. the president is also distorting the narrative considerably as susan laid out but, mean, the report not only says that individual agents behaved badly but does deliver a reprimand to comey tha he rejects, and the overarching conclusion of thert res that the f.b.i. institutionally did not act out of bias and if you add all of those things up together, it comes out that every single thing the f.b.i. did and comey
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did had the effect, whether intentional or not, of hurting hillary clinton and helping donald trump. robert: it does bring up all these questions about jcredibility of ttice department. different investigation much is about the public war, not necessarily the details of everything. verye president has done a skilled job, actually, in mixing all of this up anderinly raising serious issues about the investigation here. but the reali is, bob mueller is going to do his own thing here. we'll see whatappens going down, but the president has a decision to make. will he sit down wh him or not. robert: that's for next week. will he sit for an interview o not? t.b.d. our conversation, meanwhile, will continue on the "washington week extra." we will discuss attorney general jeff sessions and his decision to separate undocumented migrant children from their parents. you can find that later tonight at pbs.org/washingtonweek. and we want to send best wishes
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