captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good even m judy woodruff. on the "newshour" tonight: kids at the border amid a growing outcry to end the separation of immigrt families, president trump defends his policy. then i s down with lim sungnam, the man at e center of south korea's foreign policy to talk what's next in a globao strategy-nuclearize the north. and portland, oregon, one of the most gentrified cities in america. we ask if a housing program can make a dent in the massive displacement of black families. >> they want to live in the same neighborhood their grandmother lived in. they want to live in the same neighborhood where their barbershop or their beauty salons still is. >> woodruff: all that and more on tonight's "pbs newshour."

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>> and with the ongoing support of these institutions: >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: there's been more tough talk from the trump administration today over c separatildren and parents who illegally enter the u.s. but the outcry is growing, on both aisle.f the political white house correspondent yamiche alcindor begins ou coverage. >> the united statesnot be a migrant camp and it will not be a refugee holding facility-- won't be.

>> alcindor: presint trump began the day defiant, pushing back on criticism over his administration's family separation policy. in n orleans, the secretary homeland security, kirstjen neilsen, also rejected the backlash. >> there has been much outcry, consternation and, frankly, misinformation for many the press, in congress and advocacy groups over the last few weeks that we at d.h.s. are intentionally doing things that are un-hanitarian, that are cruel, immoral and disgraceful. we are doing none of things. we are enforcing the laws passed by congress >> alcindor: but the outcry grows with every new report. border patrol released video shot over the weekend of a facility in mcallen, texas. it showed people held in fenced "cages," and children lying on mats covered in foil "blankets." outside, democratic politicians joined with protesters. >> what we're doing as a nation cting enormous harm on these kids and on the parents.

he texas i know, this is not the america that i grew up in. >> alcindor: federal officials say about 2,000 children were separated in april and may alone. ssd increasingly, republicans are joining in expg outrage. in "the washington post" lastfi night, formet lady laura bush called the policy "cruel" and "immoral" and sa, "it breaks my heart." she went on, "these imre eerily reminiscent of the japanese american internment camps world war ii." current said in a statement that she "hates to see children separated fromheir families." some congressional republicans are also objecng, including on nday, maine senator susan collins. >> what the administration has decided to do is to separate children from their parents to try to send a message that if you cross the border with your children, your children are going to be ripped away from you. that's traumatizing to the

children, who are innocent victims, and it is contrary to >> alcindor: collins, along with fellow republican senator jeff ake of arizona, wrote to the trump administration requesting clarification on the asylum process and separations. and in a lengthy facebook post, nebraska's repubcan senator ben sasse defended efforts to curtail illegal immigration. but he said of the separations, "this is wrong. americans do not take children hostage, period." today, though, president trump again-- falsely-- blamed democrats for his administration's policy. >> if the democrats would sit down instead of obstructing, we could have something done veryic y. good for the children, good forr the co good for the world. we're stuck with these horrible laws, they're horrible laws, what's happening is so sad-- is so sad. >> alcindor: the roots of the current feor go back to at

least march of last ye then d.h.s. secretary john kelly said then family separation might be a way to curtail border crossings. >> in order to deter more movement along this terribly dangerous network. i am considering exactly tha they will be well cared for as we deal with their parents. n yes, we are pursing a zero tolerance prosecutlicy at the border. >>lcindor: last month, u.s attorney general jeff sessions announced "zero tolerance," prosecuting anyone illegally crossing the border. as a result, accompanying a childr separated from their parents. in new orleans today, secretary nielgued it all stems from a 2015 court settlement. >> we cannot detain children with their parents, so we must either release both the parents and the children-- this is the historic "get out of jail free"r practice of thious administration-- or the adult and minor will be separated as a result of prosecuting the adult.

those are the only two options. >> alcindor: opponents insist blaming the policy on democratsa or existinor the courts is an outright lie. thd today, house minority leader nancy pelosi saiseparation policy leaves a "dark stain on our nation." she visited a detention center near the border in california. the debate promises to keep growing, with president trump set to meet with house republicans tomorrow, as they grapple over immigration bills. >> woodruff: and yamiche alcindor joins me no along with lisa desjardins, who's been covering congressional action on immigration. test test test test yam welcome to both of you, so yamiche, whether are the politics, what is the political thinking behind the white house policy here? >> well, the policy separating a political calculation and cult calculation. on the political side president trump think this is something

that will play well with republicans. there are polls that are just nnipiacd from the qui university that said the majority of republican, 55 to agree with the policy of separating families, the same poll found majority of americans 66% of americans ov without political affiliations, that they don't back. this but at the end of theth day is about president trump saying you elected me to take a hard le stance onmmigration policies and that is what i am doing. cnn found internal dowments, that said the administrationti made a calcu that said if they separated families, that this with deter other families from coming to the border. unfortunately, we have seen an yup tick inl llerder crossing so that has not actually happened. >> as you mentioned sarahit sanders the house press secretary had that briefing late this afternoon. lisa, the white house, the department, the secretary of homeland security was saying today is that this is in congre doing something.d be is tell us what is the state of

play, two bills now before the house of representatives. >> well, you think the planets were aligns bause this is immigration week in the house of representatives however right at this moment republicans are trying to figure out what is in the compromise bill. they are tweaking language in the republican compromise that theyay with deal with this wisue of family separation. how they would dea it is they would have these families be detained together.we r, judy, that bill right now does not look like it's going to pass. th could chang so the senate is taking action. we're seeing mulentiple ators, ted cruz just moments ago unveiling their own sand alone legislation to deal with this issue. we're going to be watching over the next couple of days as to what.hose different issues d but at the same time we see a difference in that we are seeing some long time senatoday, republicans come out with some strong statements about this. senator pa roberts statement to the newshour, he said while y fiupport enforcing our immigration laws i am against usg parental separation as a

deterrent to illegal immigration. my concern ictthe pron of the children, that is quite a statement from a long time veteran senator . >> woodruff: yame, they say-- do they vay pln b, are they talking abouan alternative here themselves. >> that is the question. senator neil sen briefed from the white house which is rare she doesn't usually come to the white house briefing. she was asked about that. she shoad no signs of backing down. i visited the whithouse and talked about white house officials about that. they also say there are no plans to say this. it that is pretty remarkable because as lisa mentioned there are a number of republicans, former first lady laura bush and all these other people coming out basically saying that they are very bothered by this. but when you go back to the culture portion of this, president trump is casting this as the future of the america, that he doesn't want united states to be a my grant camp. he wants this to be a coutntry where future is american.

so and what he ran on was america first. so in this way, he's basically following e lie the administration has had. secretary chief oftaff john kelly once said lot of immigrants can't assimilate well, they do mot have skills. so as we look athe course of this administration they have been talking about immigrants as some people say is really criminal size-- criminalizing r them ally lacks at them as a way that is not as americans or potential americansdr >> wf: back on congressk you have been talking to a lot of house members, the actions on the republican side, where are you seeing the division there. >> this goes to another cultural issue, religion in the republican party and thegh christian there is a real divide. we have seen some christian leaders come, reverend graham come out and say thevay real problem with. this but also some in the prolife antiabortion com having a tough time with what policy they have. we were the first to get the statement from the susan b anthony list, a group that is antiabortion, very well-known,

let me read you with what they came oudt toay. we are dedicated to protecting the first right, the right to life, thefore we refrain from pub rick comment on immigration and other topics that impact families. partmentalizing. they are saying we are focused on abortion. but at the same time many in their communitsay this is harming the families that we're trying to protect. >> woodruff: so just about 20 seconds left wa, does it loo ke congress is headed towards. >> here is what no one is saying, there say real problem down the road because republican solutions of this is to detain ether.es tog democrats in the senate will never go for that. they have different bills that uld keep families together but that would allow them to go through the 3r0 ses-- processid ouof detention and i'm worried for this prb because i don't see how thoses two sides come together any time sooonn. >>ndrum, certainly. at least at this point. lisa desjardins and yamiche alcindor, thanu.

>> woodruff: we'll t a man who once ran the customs and border patrol agency, after the news summary. in the day's other news: the u.s. supreme court sidestepped defitive rulings on partisan redistricting. the justices ruled against wisconsin democrats who claimed republicans gerrymandered state legislative districts. the court said the plaintiffs did not have legal standing to sue. a second ruling, in a case from maryland, went against a preliminary challenge by republicans against a district drawn by democrats. the cases now return to lower courts. democrats and republicans jousted today over last week's report on the f.b.i.'s probe of hillary clinton's e-mails. itappened at a senate judiciary hearing with the justice department's inspector general michael horowitz and f.b.i. director christopheray republican chair chuck grassley and democrat patrick leahy focused on the president's claim that the f.b.i. spied on his campaign. >> if the inspector general had not discovered their anti-trump texts, they would still be with mueller's team. they would still be

investigating the trump campaign remember these facts every time you hear the press, or my iends on the other side of the aisle, claim no bias. >> irony doesn't begin to thscribe president trump and his allies exploitin report for partisan gain. clearly some of mr. strzok's text messages were inappropriate, but if the f.b.i. were trying to throw the election to hillarylinton, it could not have done a worse job. >> woodruff: the f.b.i.or direchristopher wray, said again that nothing in the report impugns the integrity of the bureau as a whole. in afghanian, scores of peace marchers arrived in kabul todayf r a nearly 40-day journey. many of the activists traveled more than 300 miles by foo demanding an end to 17 years of wr. their calls came a day after the taliban rejected a government offer to extend a cease-fire.

all of this, on e heels of a violent weekend farther east. in jalalabad, suicide bombings on saturday and sunday killed 55 people. the newly elected conservative president of colombia is promising unity, after a deeply polarizing election. 41-year-old ivan duque beat out gustavo petro-- a leftist former guerrilla-- in sunday's runoff. duque celebrated his victory last night in bogota.le he cagain for changing a peace deal with marxist rebels, but he also talked of conciliation. >> (anslated ): this election is the opportunity we were waiting for, to turn the page o polarizatie page of grievances. i do not recognize enen colombia. i will not govern with hatred, nor will i have hate against any colombian. it is about looking to the future for the good of all coloians. >> woodruff: duque is the protege of colombia's former president alvaro uribe.

he remains broadly popular, but is also blamed for thousands of civilian deaths during campaign against the rebels in the early 2000s. the trade war of words between e u.s. and china showed no sign of abating today. secretary of state mike pompeo charged beijing'claims of openness are "a joke." in a speech in detroit, he said china practices "predatory" economics. the two nations have announced plans to impose steep tariffs on each other, starting next month. worries about trade nsions kept wall street on edge today. the dow jones industrial avera lost 103 points today to close at 24,987. the nasdaq added less than a point. and the s&p 500 slipped five. the man who has been acting head of the drug enforcement administration since october is retiring. robert patterson told his staff today it's become "increasingly challenging" to serve in a fill- in capacity.

also today, president trump nominated kathleen kranninger c today to run tsumer financial protection bureau. she is currently an associate director at the officendf managementudget. the world health orgion now says excessive video game playing qualifies as a mental alth condition. the u.n. agency reported today on "gaming disorder,ecbelieved to a2-3% percent of players. the agency saiformally defining the problem will help families and health rkers.e still to c the "newshour," the former head of border protection on the ongoing immigration debate. the south korean view of president trump's dealings with north korea. portland, oregon, tries to make amends for gentrification. and muchore.

>> woodruff: we return now to the immigration debate-- and a rare view from inside the agency tasked with securing the country's borders. john yang has more. >> yang: judy, u.s. customs and border protection-- or c.b.p.-- is the nation's largest federal law enforcement agency. it handles border security and trade issues, including dealing with immigration. gil kerlikowske was the head of c.b.p. under president obama,rv g from 2014 until the trump administration took over orst year. he's now a profet northeastern university. he joins us now, mr. kerlikowske thanks for joining us. >> thanks. >> i want to start the propublica said this was recorded last week in the border protection detention facility, they won't say where, the person, we don't know woman or man, the person who made thein recois asked not to be

identified. the person gave it to a civil rights attorney in texas. so let's take a listen to that tape >> the man who once ran the agency in charge of that fa sirlt, how do-- facility, how do you react to that. >> those things areolutely heartbreaking and its' heartbreaking not only toa ter

these children away from their moth ares and fathers but i'm very concerned about the affect it would have on these border patrol agents. i saw them in the toughest of mes taking care of i the summer of 14, 68,000 unaccompanied children. and for them to be put in this potion is unconscionable als and the period were you talking about in 2014 when youve tookcustoms and border protection, there were a lot of unaccompanying chern coming across the border or coming to the border. today secretary of homeland security chrisen nielsen said the obama administration did what the trump administration did, separating families. what is youser respo that? >> so if someone was arrested for some criminal charges f they were smuggling drugs also f they were wated on warrants, if they are going to be prosecuted, then certainly the family is going to be separated. but that number would be

absolutely minute sceul when yon looked--es cool when you look at that summer of 2014 with all of those children and all of so keeping them together and then giving them an opp to go to a hearing, is the righn to do. not carrying kids away from their parents. >> when you say go to a hearing, thadministration, the trump administration is saying that they are going to prosecute every one who comes into the country il legally. is that the reason they're separating them? >> there is a group of united states attorneys that represent the border of u.s. attorneys and i would me with them regularly. none of the u.s. attorneys from san diego acss to texas would even begin to think that they would have enough resources to prosecute now up to 50,000 people a month. so to oy that we'reing this just because they're going to be prosecuted, you know, i clearly agree with what a lot of other people have suid. this ist being done to try and be some what of a deterrent

ef fct. but quiankly i can't see it being a very effective deterrent enfect because we have down that road before. >> and your policy was not to prosecute everyone. you would only prosecute those who had other charges gebs them, were carrying drugs. >> customs and border protection has a narrow mission and they are not the prosecutor, and they are not part of the department of justice so if they had cases where people were wanted on warrants, smuggling drugs, maybe even being human trffickers, that would be up to the department of jution tis. -- justice. but the mere misdemeanor of crossing the border particularly with a family is no going to result in anyone that has the resources to effectively, criminally prosecute. >> secretary nielsen also said a lot of this was being because they couldn't prove a family relationship. at they were worried about human smugglers. they wereo worried aut protecting the children. they were doing this to protect

the children. that's your response in. >> so i sat down in those senators many many times. not only mcallen but brownsville and those place as long the border.qu e frankly i think we're giving a lot of credit to the arts and sophistication that is what did is going on. experienced border patrol agents, myself having a long career in law enforcement, we never even began to detect that thesyoung people, these families coming across were doing it for some nefarious purpose of being able to get into the country by using children. i mean it was very clear, these are family units. >> and she also said that theaw current encourages families to put children in the hands of human smugglers. >> i think the potential of coming across the border and making alaim of credible fear, making an asylum claim andvi your family or your children with you cank can be enhanced some what by that. i don't see it though as the

cause, i see it as the fact that people are leavin these three countries for a variety of reason, not just crime but also koonomic reasons, also. you know they'ring with their families. >> she also said if someone wanted to litimately claim asylum they should go to a port of entry an not just cross the border at any place. >> well, ports of entry could be a little more helpful. what i saw certainly rkz and i think what we see in many places, whether it's in san ysidro or places in mcallen texas, ports of entry are incredibly busy. remember it's not just people coming through, st all of th cargo that we depend on, all of the trade that we depend on is also coming through the port. >> gil kerlikowske, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> woodruff: it has been a week since president trump met with

north korean leader kim jung une they sd a document that laid out broad principles in which the united stes would provide security guarantees to north korea and north korea conaitted to eling its nuclear weapons. habut the agreement did no a time line or provide any specific details of what comes next. so, what are the nexs? rn to south korean first vice minister of foreign affairs lim sung-nam. he's a veteran diplomat and has dealt extensively with north korea. mr. lim, thank you very much for b hire. so your president, mr. moon, called this summit a great victory. he said it is a huge stepd. forw and yet i number of american officials who dealt with north korea in the past said they didn't see very much in the way specifics. they don't really understand that north korea has made a serious commitment to sinuclearize.

what makes your prnt so positive. >> well, you should f trnk about the history of the relationship between the dpik and the unid state for more than 70 years there has been no smmit meeting between the two countries. and for more than 70 years, there has not been any kind of meaningful agreement between the two countries at the level of the heads of state. and now that the ngapore deck laration had set-- declarati set out big principles for going ahead witleden glairks i think the two leaders leaders hd a meaningful fouation onich to build the process of denuclearization. >> are there dangable signs thao have-- tang i believe sains you have seen that north korea is serious aboutarrying through. i ask because the issue they made at the end of the sumt was one and a half pages long. and some of the diplomaticng ge in there was the same language that had been inus

prevtatements. so what is new? what is tang i believe? e, well,-- tangible. >> well, for instahey have been taking unilateral actions such as shutting down their nuclear testing sites. and they vowed to dismantle the key rocket engine testing site as well. and they so released three american hostages without getting any kind ofce a conion from the u.s. side. so these actions do support the sincerity of the north koreans in going ahead with denuclearization down the road. >> so what do you see as the next steps? what is going to happen next. the north koreans put out a statemented after the summit. they describe what they see ing next. what do you see? >> well, we seearefully the singapore documents, the two aders, fullly and speedily implement the agreement and they also agreed on the need for the

smeedy followup of negotiatis. so i'm surend and i do hope that in the very near future there will be folowup negotiations at the working level to implement-- impleme the singapore agreement. >> are there working level meetings going on now? >> right now i don't think so. but in the near future, i do believe there will be some meetings. >> will south korea be involved in tharse. those just between north korea and the u.s >> those will be working levelat negons between the united states and the dpik but we also have the interkorean talks wit pyongyang. >> the leader of north korea has indicated that he is prepared to denuclear-- denuclearize, at least in general terms. president trump is saying the fuk leer threat is gone, it's behind us. y have that confidence? >> well, of course the nuclear weapons still exists but if you compare the situation compared

to a year ago, then i think the clangs húe been very positive, about a year ago we were talking about the sheer number of the missile launches by the dpik. and we were afraid that there could be another nuclear testing in north korea. but now we are talking about hon we go ahead with the dialogue. and as claimed by eastern churches, it isa better thn world war. >> so you trust the north korean leaderchairman kim, to go ahead with denuclearization. you have confidence he will do that? >> well, we believe and we hope so. and always new history can b made only with optimistic assumptions. we saw after the summit, president trump spoke about the suspension of what he called wargames. joint military exercises between the united sttes and your

country and south korea. he said those are very expensive. he said that's something i have wanted to do away with for a long time. is your country, is your government comfortable with that? >> both south and washington are on theame page regarding the important issues like the joint military exercises. having said tha.st, the . was also very clear that as far asth talks with north korea go in good faith, we can't afford to have t milary exercises we used to have in the past. >> pr you surprised, did your government know ahead of time that president trump was going to declare that these wargames were stopping? >> once again i would like to emphasize that our two countries have been on the same page on an important issue like that. >> so you weren't surprise. >> i was not sur prid. >> i want to ask you also about

securityuarantees. from the u.s. going forward. what else do you seee that u.s. could do for the north to make it more possible for the rth to go ahead with denuclear ization. >> well, at the end of the day i suspect that the normalization of the relationship betweenan pyonand washington might be one way of providing pyongyang with a kind of a-- guarantee. but on the wayo the kind of guarantee which we might be able torovide for pyongyang, i think the two koreas and the u.s. might be able to declare that war is over on the korean peninsula. that could be the kind of the step on which we can further build the permanent peationful regime on the kor.ean peninsu >> woodruff: do you think that should be done before north korea disntles its nuclear program. >> those kind of details can be further discussed betouween

korea and the united states, as well as betweenhenited states and north korea. >> you mean, you're saying its a detail but that say pretty major detail, isn't it, whether there is peace, whether the war has tallly come to an end, the conflict? >> well, i think what i am talking about is a political declaration, i'm not talking about the kind of the legal agreement for creating peacere me. but at one point you might be able to benefit from the kind of thal polit declaration regarding the situation on the korean peninsula. >> do yo r thiunification can come in your lifetime? >> i hope and believe. so once again, only with optimism visns we might be able to turn a dream into a reality. >> and one other thingav what youlearned about chairman kim in these most recentound of neotiations that you didn't already know about him? what iss he-- how he

presenting himself as a leader and what do you think his priorities are. >> i think he is a leader different from the previous leaders of north korea. he was old enough to come to a meeting with the u.s. president, face to face. and i believe he has made a strategic decision to get ot of the self-imposed isolation. and plus,non the pasrth korea was talking about the-- the policy of pursuing the nuclear and missile capabilities as well as the economic prosperity. but they declared aprilis area that their policy focus is now on the ecnomy progress. so with all those changes, i believe he's coming to the meeting with president trump with aon determinao go ahead with denuclearization of the korean peninsula. >> this potentially historic

moment. c >> yes, urse. >> the foreign minister vice foreign minmister li sung-nam, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me, judy. thank you. >> woodruff: stay with us. coming up onhe "newshour," the political stakes of the white house policy to separate famili at the border. and remembering the life of one of the newshour's own. portland, oregon is knn as a hub of liberal and progressive thought, but it's also one of the whitt big cities in the country. now, an ambitious new program, which some experts are calling the first of its kind, aims to atone for the repeated displacement of thousands of african-american families fromrt and northeast portland. in a city with soaring home prices and steady pattern of gentrification, can it make a

difference? n amaz and producer mike fritz recently traveled to portland to see firsthand howla it's allying out. >> nawaz: for giovanni battles and ashley rollins, this part oy portland has afelt like home. ed byere just surrou family >> oh, yeah, that's it, everyone knew someone. you would drive by my grandmother's house on any day and you'd see five to ten people, cousins, everybody out there. and it would, you know, just turnnto an impromptu barbecu >> nawaz: ashley was raised by her mother and grandparents-- trailblazers in their time. >> she was actually the first, african-american woman judge in portland and then my grandfather he was actually a tuskegee airman.: >> nawhley and giovanni's roots here may run deep, but en the former high schoo sweethearts looked for a place to raise their sons, the neighborhood they once called home was out of reach. >> this is our neighborhood. weent to high school in th neighborhood. this is what feels like home and comfortable for us, so our hope was toive here, but things have just, like, changed drastically. >> nawaz: that change traces back decad to the displacement of thousands of african american families from noh and

northeast portland since the 1960s-- forced out by waves of city development a gentrification. portland's policies that led to that exodus are deeply rooted in the state's past according to iewalidah imarisha, who st oregon's racial history, >> the oregon territory passed laws like the black exclusion law in 1844 that outlawed black people from living in oregon. it also included the lasch law at said black people would be publicly whipped every six months up to 39 lashes until they left the state. >> nawaz: the few who stayed in portland were mostly relegatedto he north and northeast. by 1960, home to more than 80% of the city's black population. for years, the area saw little to no investment-- ignored by lenders and developers. property values plummeted. by the 1970s. but then a series of city projects-- including a basketball are, a new highway, and a proposed hospital geexpansion-- took over hu

sections of land, razing hundreds of houses in e way. private money idured in. so dew homeowners who could afford to live here. many existing residents were priced out. fast forward and the neighborhood that was ack in 1990, was just 28% black by 20. >> so, when folks say, "well, why aren't there more black people in oregon, why aren't there re communities of color in oregon?" it's important to recognize that's the fouation of it. >> nawaz: today just 6% of all portland residents are black, id the average home pricen north and northeast portland is more than $500,000. but to ashley and giovanni's surprise, the same city that played a role in driving out so many of their friends and family, now stepped in to help them buy their first home, through a preference policy that's been dubbed by many as "" right to return." >> i think acknowledging a wrong is done is the first step, and i want to thank them for the opportunity we took advante of. >> nawaz: started in 2015, the program set aside $20-million

for current and former residents of north and northeast portland, offering down payment assistance to 65 new homeowners affordable rental units, and home improvement loans to help residents stay in the area. families who could prove their grandparents or parents were displaced from these neighborhoods got priority, but rnnot everyone wants to re >> i've never walkedh rom 15th to 1nce we left the neighborhood.es >> nawaz: two blocks? >> yeah, these two blocks. i mean, i don't feel welcome here. >> newaz: germaine flentroy gr up on this northeast portland block. t in 2001 as his family' rent spiked and the neighborhood began changing. >>ack then white people wouldn't come in this neighborhood. they would not come in this neighbhood at all, but then all of a sudden you just started to see little pockets, and then you started like seeing you kn"" the hipsters," and then you started seeing community gardens and we were like, "what are the? d" >> nawaz: today, he qualifies for the city's righto return program, but the area, he says, is no longer home.

>> there's nothing here for me. i still don't understand, what are we returning to? >> i talk to people every single day that want to move back into northeast portland >> nawaz: leslie goodlow is the portland housing bureau's equity and business operations manager. >> they want to live in the same neighborhood their grandmother lived in. they want to live in t same neighborhood that their church is still in, and they want to live in the same neighborhood where their barbershop or their beauty salons still is. >> nawaz: but three ye ys in to a fir plan, portland's right to return program is not hitting its marks. 1,000 people applied to buy mes. the city's goal was to fill 65 slots. to date, they've only moved in six new homeowners.d those numbers rtland's mayor to call the program "an abject failure." >> getting a mortge is not easy. and if you're only making, you know, $40,000 a year, you can't afford, you know, a $200,000 or $300,000 mortgage.

>> nawaz: how did you not know that the same people that had been disenfranchised for so long and moved to the bottom of the priority list for so long wouldn't immediately be available and ready to make that kind of ap? >> some people could get ready in six months and some people might take thr years. and do we hold a slot for somebody that's three years out, or do we move somebody else up that's going to be ready sooner? and, so, that's been the e,ruggle >> nawaz: meanwhome prices in portland continue to rise. property values over the course of the last 10-15 years are up somewhere in the range of 4, 5, 600%. which is why, maxine fitzpatrick says, these rental units could offer the city some heccess. nonprofit is working withpo land to build more low- income rentals as part of the right to the return program.le >> our whinking around rental property is that it allows them an opportunity toy stabilize so tn't have to worry about being up a bit, you know, at the given will of the landlord.

>> nawaz: but experts say theui key to bing wealth is owning a home, and that's where the program is failing. >> the program very much needs to be retooled and rebooted tofa the realities of the marketaz >> nportland state university's lisa bates examined the right to return program earlier this year, andhe gives the city credit for putting it in place. but whether or not it makes a difference, the says, is sog the rest of the country will be watching. esmilar efforts to bring back families with ti to gentrified neighborhoods are now underway in new york, philadelphia, austin and san francisco >> when it comes to a history of racial segregation of exclusion of sort of containment of the african-american community into a very small neighborhood followed by the dispersal of those same exact white filies with gentrification, this is a very basic story of urban history and urban planning inet much every city in the country. >> nawaz: that's a history

cornelius swart has spent years documenting. his new film, "priced out," tracks the dramatic change inpo northeasland. he first moved here in the 1990s. >> we've spoken to folks who had said that when the neighborhood first started gentrified that first wave of which i was a part of, folks were conscious that it r s a black neighborhood. now, the last fivex years there's been this erasure of history. the people moving here and they don't even know it used to be a black neighborhood. >> that use be something. >> nawaz: for germaine flentroy walkese streets today is a reminder of everything he had to leave behind. >> i try not to come back herefe because i don' welcome here. we feel angry about this. we feel like this was stolen onom us. at least me persly i feel angry about this. >> we're talking about a community th was basically bulldod, and we're going to be

able to maybe bring back maybe 2,000 families if we're lucky. there's no way to fix what the city did. >> nawaz: some people will say portland had an age problem it was trying to fix. >> that's probably some it. but it is a way for the city t demonstrate. we recognize what we did. we want to try to do something. >> nawaz: the neighborhood isn't what they remember, but giovanni and ashley say they're now focused on making new memories. >> the best feeling is knowing that we set a foundation for our kids owning a home is the first step into stepping up in economic class. so, that's honestly the best feeling i have is knowing thatmy ids have something. >> nawaz: a first step towards a future... still firmly rooted in their past. the pbs newshour i'm amna nawaz in portland. >> woodruff: back to politics

>> woodruff: back to politics now. lots to talk about this mond w, and for thare joined by amy walter of the "cook political report" an rothenberg of "inside elections." politics monday, welcome to both of you. the border story, parated families, parents from children, amy, first and fore most, this is a human story, it's about human beings and what is happening in people's lives. but let's talk about the politicaconsequences of the administration, of president trump, doing this and the democratic resnoonse. righwhat affect do you see this having? >> judy,'m glad that you opened it like that. because it is actually a political and human story together. and that's what makes i even more challenging. politically for republicans who e out there, obviously they're on the ballot in 2018. the president isnot.

he made immigration enforcement the centerpiece of his election in 2016. a lot of republicans did not. and what we're seeing as i'm watching this unfold throughout the day, the number of publicans in congress ho are coming out and saying this isn't okay, we have to stop this policy of separating children from their parents continues to grow. especially from members who are in swing districts, who again might have a tough-election in 2018. the head of the national republican campaign committee steve styburss that tells you something when he comes out in a tweet and says i don't like this policy. it seem this is anabnsusta situation that republicans find themselves in. the president, if he continues to defend this, republicans, legislatively are not going to back him up, anditolally they will distance themselves from this policy or at least try to.>> ow do you see the republican tactic. >> i understand why the white house might feel that i is

obligated to push this immigration agend that they' playing to the base, that they promised us. this is what they're going to deliver. what i don't understand isow audio and video of children crying, screaming, photographs of mothers of children blg ten away, i don't understand how that is going to play to the republicans benefit t seems to me just politically like a disaster, i was going to say waiting to happen but a political disaster and human disaster. but happening right now. i i me puts republicans in the awful position of having to defend these acts that look unfeeling. >> woodruff: but do you have the base of the republican party, i listened to stevees bannonrday on one of the sunday shows talking about how the president is simply w fulfilliat he said he was going to do he is yun holding the law. >> it's interestatg. if you loohe polls that are coming out rate now, yeah, a

majority of the republicans sa they support it. but only 55% of republicans. this is not a 90% republican issue. d i think steve is exactly right. this idea that the white house and those around the president have had for a long time is if we make the story about all these criminal elements at the border, we make it about drugs, about ms-13 gangs than we win because we make democrats have to defend the indefensible. i but tge of children and the audio of children is going to beat all of those other images nine times out of ten. and just listening to that audio to steve's point earlier in the show, could you see this coming up in every campaign ad that goes out in 201 it's a situation that i think republicans are going to have to get. >> two thoughts. one is the republicans are st worried about the base. this tells you something because the democrats are worki on swing voters and independents and people will dcend-- decid some of these elections.

and when you look at the innipiac poll in ter of separating children and parents, it's not only 66% of all voters oppose that, but it is 68% of independents, 68% of whites wite a college deand as amy points out, one in thrpuee icans disagree on what the president and their party are doing. >> but amy, this thonnkinhe part of the white house, that they still need to focus on th base. >> right. >> is that smart. >> that is going to take them all the way tovictory in november. >> exactly. this is what 2018 will show us. this is president who has done everything just for the benefit of the ba ise andt worked forin him 2016. when everybody toll him it couldn't because he had to expand the university, he waso leaving out any swing voters, now he said it worked for me then, it will work in 2018, but when you see where these numbers are not just on this iue but we have bee talking about this a lot. just where the swing voters are in this electio white women who have a college degree, just imagine how this issue is going towlay h

these voters, if you are trying to lose those voters, you couldn't do worse. >> here's a prediction, donald trump will do really well with trump voters in the mid term. >> but that's not enough. >> that's my question s it muf, in enough districts. >> it might be enough to hold the senate. it might be enough to ho north dakota and west virginia but it's not enough to hold the house. >> different story, supreme court ruled today-- actually didn't rule.k they sent it b the states, both wisconsin, amy and maryland had come foward with these cases challenging redistricting, jerry mannedderring, what does all this mean, what the foact longer term. >> the reality is that the supreme court is not really interest or they n't found the right case to come out and definitively say tis is okay when you are redrawing lines, this is not okay. here is the standard that the supreme court now endorses. instead we're going to see states do what they do,

legislatures do what they do which is they are going to draw district lines they may get sued it will go to a lower court. a lower court is going to decide and then the lower court's decision is the one in which we move from rather than the supreme court or i think more likely we'se going to the lower court decisions find their way back up to the supreme court. we may see north carolina, for c example out next year. a debate over the north carola lines, so i think it means we're in a constant flux on this. but fundamentally, if you are democrats, your number one concern right w has to be winning enough legislative and gubernatorial seats so when the next round of redistricting comes around in 2020 you have the necessary number who can draw these lines. l> my question is what is the precise politi fallout. >> i think amy and i and others have been assums g that the liat we have now will be the lines that we have in november. we have been handi capping races based on that. so i think we don't have to

change our analysis so the trajectory of the election isn't changed. if te courted had acted and eck are poitical german dering it would have a-- butight now the way we look at them yesterday will be the way we look at them next six months and maybe thext ew years. >> does that benefit democrats or republicans. >> if the court had recognized there was partisan jerrymandering it would have helped democrats in ohio, wisconsin and but it would have helped thepublicans in maryland and illinois. pends which state. >> woodruff: and i don't think. >> i dnts thi of this would have occurred before the 2018 election it really would have be looking forward to 2020. >> woodruff: we're always looking ahead, 2018 to 2020, even beyond. amy walter, stu rothenberg,

thank you. >> thank you, judy. >> you're welcome. >> woodruff: finally tonight, remembing the work and life of a longtime correspondent for newshour.>> he question people are now asking is, "what will the long term effect on their community be?" >> woodruff: elizabeth brackett once said she wouldn't take no for an answer, and it was a trait that came to define much of her 40-year career in journalism, including more than 25 years as a special correspondent based in the midwest for the newshour. >> these three acres of corn are hel that boyer has left of 800 acres he planted this year. he's cometely wiped out, as is >> woodruff: whether she was covering the impact of devastating floods in ... the space shuttle "challenger" disaster... or families fleeinan after hurrickatrina, elizabeth's reports stood out in the way she captured the voicese of tffected. >> we've been walking since yesterday.

we've had people that have been walking for three days. everybody's out on the bridge. nobody gave us nothing. >> woouff: she was competitive, and as one of her producers at the newshour, merill schwerin, put it: "she always pushed for more-- more interviews, more phone calls, more perspective." e >> woodrufzabeth wanted to be at the front of a breaking story, as was the case when she covered the heated battles over an abortion clinic in wichita, kansas in 1991. >> three hours after patients had gotten into the clinic, those who had not been arrested from operation rescue were still on the street. >> woodruff: elizabeth was a erue chicagoan at heart. she worked for s stations, most notably with our colleagues at wttw for two decades where she was a correspondent and host for "chicago tonight." she often focud on education and the deadly toll of gun liviolence, but she loved cs

as well, and illinois was apl greae to focus on that she reported extensively on the ll of former governor ro blagovich. and she wrote a book about it. calls for impeachment a growing. there is now a bill introduced into the illinois legislature calling for impeachment in the house. >> woodruff: she received numerous awards during her career, including national and regional emmys as well as a peabody award. she retired, so to speak, 2014, but still was reporting ten stories a year for wttw. remarkably, she completed her first triathlon at age 50 and went on to five global titles in her age group. elizabeth died sunday after an apparent bike accident while riding along the lakefront path in her beloved hometown of chicago. she was 76-years-old.

all that and more is on our web site, pbs.org/newshour. we are heartbroken n and that's tshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. join us on-line and again here tomorrow evening. for all of us at the newshour, thank you and see you soon. >> maj funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> consumer cellular. >> financial services firm raymond james. >> and by the alfred p. sloan foundatici. supportingce, technology, and improved economic performance and financial literacy in the 21st cenry.

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