captioning sponsored by newshourroductions, llc >> woodruff: good evening, i'm w judyoodruff. on the newshour tonight, a new chapter for mexico as left- leaning presidential candidate es manuel lopez obrador declares victory. then, behind rebel lines in yemen: how the u.-backed saudi forces are causing cldren to starve. >> the reality of their life is that when they wake up in the morning they have no idea if they will eat that day. no idea. 8.5 million people are in that category. >> woodruff: and, ce matters-- perspectives on living while black from the president of the n.a.a.c.p. all that and moron tonight's pbs newshour.

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>> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributionsur pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: president trump'sch seor a u.s. supreme court nominee is gaining momentum. as he met today with the prime minister of the netherlands, mr. said he interviewed four candidates just this morning. >> i'll be meeting wo or three morend we'll make a cision on a new justice that will bmade over the next few days and we'll be announcing it on monday and i look forward to that.

i think the person that's chosen will be outstanding. >> woodruff: meanwhile, senate minority leader chuck schumer urged democrats to reject anye nomio'd oppose abortion rights and expanded health care coverage. he singled out federal appeals judge amy coney rrett of chicago, calling her an "activist judge." in southwestern syria, a government offensive against rebels sent thousands more refugees fleeing for safety over the weekend. united nations officials now sab the leaving has topped 270,000. many are fleeing toward the closed jordanian border. that country's foreign minister said today he will hold talks with his russian counterpart. ssia is backing the syri offensive. good news today about 12 boys and their soccer coach, trapped in a cave in thailand. they were found alive, nine days after they went exploring, andca the complex flooded.

the region's governor saea thai navy s located the group inside a partially flooded cavern.en rescuersin food and water, but the operation is far from over. >> ( translated ): when the medics have evaluated the chilen if their health is in good condition, we will care for them until they have enough strength to move by themselves, and then wwill evaluate the situation on bringing them out again later. woodruff: a doctor is spending the night with the boys, who range in age from 11 to 16. meanwhile, more monsoon rain is forecast.er s word that german chancellor angela merkel has onached agreement with her interior ministemmigration policy. it could end a dispute that jeopardized her government. interior minister horst seehofer had threatened last night to resign over his demands for tougher curbs on migrants. his christian social union is part of meel's coalition.

back in this country, the f.b.i. says it arrested a cleveland man wh'stalked of bombing the ci july fourth parade. demetrius pitts was charged sunday with trying to support a tion.rist organi officials say he scouted potential targets for an undercover agent who posed as an al-qaeda contact. >> he looked for locations to park a van that would be packed with explosives. he talked about targets like st. john's cathedral off the map. and just yesterday he discussed giving remote controlled cars packed with explosives and shrapnel to the children of our military uniform members. >> woodruff: the f.b.i. says pitts was radicalized in the united states, and there's no evidence he ever travele abroad. movie producer harvey weinstein was indicted on new s today. he's now accused of xually assaulting a third woman. it allegedly happened in 2006.

weinstein has already been charged with sexually assaulting twother women in 2004 and 2013. a new wildfire in northern california burned out of control today, after growing by nearly a third overnight. the big blaze has spread across 70 square miles and forced evacuations north of sramento. hot, dry hot winds have fanned the fire since it ignited satuay. it's only 3% contained and threatens more than 100 buildings. another big fire, in colorado, has forced evacuations of more than 2,500 homes. and, on wall street, the dow jones industrial average gained 35 points to close at 24,307. the nasdaq rose 57 points, and the s&500 added eight. still to come on the newshour: mexico elects a populist president. what it means for u.s. relations behind rebel lines in yemen's

civil war. race matters: livi while black. perspective on the daily and sometimes deadly racial incidents, and much more. >> oodruff: after two previous runs for mexico's top office, andres manuel lopez obrador won that prize last night, and won big, beating his two main rivals by double digits and cementing a strong mandate in mexico. "amlo" as he's known, received a tocongratulatory phone caly from president trump. the two leaders discussed trade, migration and security. nick schifrin has been in mexico for the last 10 days, and reports tonight from a country that's spoken up for change.

>> on the streets of mexico city they celebratedded a victory re than a decade in the making. supporterrers of mexico president collect obrador hugged stranges are and stayed up late to marthe victory andndate to change the country, 39 year old diana and 36 year old daniel voted for obrador and against the establishment politicians they consider corrupt. >> we have had many presidents who have misused 9 national budget and nowe want resources to be used properly, in favor of the peem, not in favor of the few.ep >> rorter: in the city's central square lopez obrador wildly known by his initials amlo spoke to ten of thousands. >> there will be no divorce between the government and the people it will be a government of the people, for the people and with the people. >> this is the historic district of mexico city and tonht there is a party. i talked to young ple who have come out here who sa that they now hope for their future,k

i to older people without say that they have been sick of rhe corruption and hope f their children and grand children's future but now perhaps comes the hard part. and the campaign turns to government and they have to fill all their promises. ma when he a roofed in the nearby hot toll e his official acceptance speech the man who describe himself as a political saffier moderated his tone. >> the changes will be profound but they will be carried out in accordance to the rule of law. >> businessman alphonso ramo will translate what critics say the unrealistic economic politics into policy. >> radical? >> no, i think you hve to see-- you have to stu meico city. he is not a radical. >> amlo was mexico city's mayor from 2 thousand to 20056789 and even his crics admit he gov rned practicing matically. the more than 40% of mexicanslo live bw the poverty line and

lo has promised them jobs, pengses anschips. >> the problems are vast, are enormous but we have to be discipline and the important thing is to change the course of the vote.o i'm not trying everything in one year. it's not possible. >> can you keep your promises and not raise taes. >> absolutely. that is a promise. >> where is the money going to come from. >> from savings d fighting corruption. and optimizing expenses. >> but many economists doubt amlo's ambitious promise that cutting corruption will pay for his programs.he romo admit thiill have to prioritize. >> you never have enough money. i have businesses that would love to dy manings. i never have enough money, but do i this, the key things in order to direct the courseh within the oer reassurance amlo's team wants to provide, coordination with the u.s. will continue. marco will help run the security polls'. >> we're looking forward with

the u.s. i ink we need each other i think basically we need the technology that we lack. and that the u.s. has. >> that means on the mex ico guatemala border where central americans can easily cross on rafts, increased border checkpoints and surveillance and on the u.s.-mexico border, improved checks on people going north and guns going south. >> with the u.s. and mexico are now led by men who portray ohemselves as populists protecting theirtries from enemiesnd that could be through sha cla dleu lopez obrador and president trump. >> i hope it does not affect the relationship with the security because that wab terrible. think that in order to work 100 percent well on the security issue, things economicically have to work out also. >> amlo will also face massive challenge of violence. last year was the most violent in mexico since the government started tramcking hoicides. amlo's promise to curtail the killing that most experts

believe will take a generation. >> people are expecting a lot from him, right?on >> that is of the big problems. pect expectations, expectations. i'm won't accept any excuses. they want to see results in 3, 6 months and it's not easy. >> in mexico there is so much hope and so many problems, it takes just one voter, ra feel rivera sister, brother-in-law iznephew wee all murdered by mexico a org crime. >> in their honor we will support this new government.m we want exico to be blesdz, for the vy lengths an corption to stop. >> those problems are enormous. but for one night, mexicans celebrated a sweet victory and hoped for a better futuro >>druff: and nick schifrinme join nick, i know they are still in the glow of this big win t do hi supporters believe that he can actually

mises.r on his pro >> they are certainly hoping he can deliver but they did not hope for him for the specifics of his promises. they voted for him because his predecessors and the curent government have failed and are looking for new ideas. and that really goes to show that people are looking for how does proceed pose to fix some of the problems in terms of corruption, we have talked about targeting a mafia in poer. running an austere government, lowering senior officials salaries and inerms of violence he talked about low level amnesty, but his promise judy, are vague. and that really shows that mexicans are fed up and looking for new ideas rather than some of the old failed ideas of the past. but they have huge expectations. and as we just heard ithat story, will have to deliver very quickly. and as many populist politicians have discovered in the past, while leigh easy, gov nern-- governing is harder. >>lso, nick, we knothat there are critics out there saying this say man with

authoritarian tendencies, is there going to be a check on the power that he has? d >> in a woranswer, no. will control both houses of congress, many governorships and this is what one critic says, he has a death star. and we simply don't know whether will use that power for good or ill but certainly after he takes wer there will be a lot of merks cans, more than half this country voted for, him watching to see what he does with that to power >> nick schifrin wrapping up a week of great reporting in mexi, thank you, nick. >> thanks, judy. >> woodruff: and now perspective from former ambassador roberta jacobson she served as u.s. ambassador to mexico until earlier this year, when she resigned over what she said were concerns about the trump administration's policies toward the country. that ended a 30-year career at the state department; among many posts, she served as assistant secretary of state for western hemisphere affairs during the obama administration, during which she led the diplomatic effort to open relations with cuba.

welcome back it to the newshour. >> thank you, judy. >> woodruff: so when it comes to amlo, the new leader of mexico, we jusheard a lot of conversation about whether people think he can deliver on all of thespromises. is he someone you see as able to do what he says he ing to do? >> well, i think that very enormous exepgs as you say and as nick said, but i think there are also a lot of people willing give him a chance. the kinds of changes he is suggesting will take cogress, it lacks like is he going to have majorities. so that may enae him to do what he wants. but they also are the kinds of thergs that can't be done quickly. and soo that's the real question, will mexicans have foough patience and enough willingness to wai some of the changes. >> >> woodruff: and it does sound like there is fair amount

unknown about what we can expect. >> absolutely. i mean his own policy pronouncements and those of his team during the campaign were all over the map.d there is some things that you can point to that are very reassuring, on economics, on other subjects of importance to the u.s. butthere are others that were inflammatory and of concern. so which amlo will govern. >> let's talk first about brder security. the president, president trump lid they talked on the phone today for somethike half an hour. >> right. druff: what do we thi he can actually get done when it comes to border security that is different from what the yen mexico government is doing. >> right, and that will bely renteresting. i think as we know there are actually fewer merks cans coming into the uted states than leaving. so this is largely a problem of nonmexican my grants. especially from central amehric. and ey gogh thrr sometimes even stay in mexico.

so currently mexico is helpingn with the ret some of those my gras. will lopez observe ra obrador continue that? thatasn't a huge issue in the campaign but what he did say was did not necessarilyund encouraging in terms of help on that score. >> woodruff: you mention, you said when it comes to the economy, you tink he may well be able to do what, to make some changes. we know that nafta remains a huge issue. the president is saying we'll deal with that after the midio term ele issueness with right, i mean what is interesting is mexico's transition and our own fall mid term elections are sort of con current because lopez obrador doesn't take office uil after our mid term that is the point in which formally he would sitwn ith the administration, although he has asked to be part, to have his team be paoft ny nafta associations that take place before he's inaugurated.

but his own potential neg for nafta has said he thinks that is lopez obrador, that he thinks that the pena neato administrations, the current mexican administration has done pretty good jo in the nafta negotiations. and the really tough part has been frankly some of the intransigent positions of the trump administration, soit is hard to know whether fla side will change or whether if thel leaders getng well at the top, maybe there is more flexibility. >> woodruff: and i want to ask you about that in a minute but before i do just a question about corrupueon. a huge ia huge challenge for him in mexico. what is the real expectation >> i think the expectation is they are actually among the most difficult to satisfy. mexico, these electors were largely looking at thess corruption, the security issue and the economy to some extent but corruption was top of mind 6789 and there i a national anticorruption plan in

mexico which is not fully implemented. so lopez obrador could e ahead on that plan aggressively. step up a special prosecutor, et htera. the question is wi he didn't have any specific polszee recommend aitionzs that came up during the campaign. t woodruff: and finally you mentioned presidump, the relationship between the two men, as i said in the introduction, did u leave your utst and you have spork eno about it because it's problems you had with the adm policies toward mexico. what are you looking for between the two. >> well, i think for starters, and one can only hope that today's phone call is the beginning of that, we nied to see less vil if i kaition of mexico and mexicans by the present, frankly, and ohers in the administration. those are the things that xicans were uned about. seat they really dislike tho tweets or rallying cries about

mexicans and how to characterize them and that they are never going to pay for the wall. those are two things they were unified on. if we can have a more civil tone, a more respectful tone an hat characters how much we both benefit from this relationship, then the the possibility of progress. so i would be elooking for th two of them to have probably some similarities and get along as people because there are some similarities, populist, nationalist but the policy issues will remain and be very tough. >> so much to keep an eye on, at this point. roberta jacobson who frmally represented the united states in mexico, thank you very much. >> thank you, judy. >> >> woodruff: we have reported from yemen many times over the years, but access to the land

held by the iranian-backed houthi rebels is extremely rarea anerous. but tonight, we bertn a series re from that region. we must share this warning: images in the story will disturb many viewers. but they are necessao show what is happening in one of the world's most desperate places, mired in a brutal war that the united states is supporting thugh a saudi-led coalitio special corr ferguson has just returned from rsbel-held yemen, and tonight brings us the fit of three ports from behind rebel lines. >> reporter: life is slipprog awaymaimona shaghadar. she suffers the agony of starvation in silence. no longer able to walk or talk, at 11 years old, little maimona's emaciated body weighs just 24 pounds. watching over her is older brothenajib, who brought her to this remote hospital in

yemen, desperate to get help. the nurses here fight for the lives of children who are starving. >> ( translated ): because of the war she is suffering from malnutrition. her father is jobless. most of the families in yemen are jobless. >> reporter: every day she says she sees these sorts of cases. people havno work, therefore they have no money, and there's just no food in the house. you were never supposed to see these images of maimona. a blockade of houthi rebel-heldn northern yy saudi arabia stops re rters from getting here. journalists are not allowed on ights into the area.e thly way into rebel held yemen is to smuggle yourself in and for me that means being dressed entily as a yemeni woman with a full faceeil, st to get through the checkpoints.

i drove across the embattledee front lines to what's actually happening inside what the united nations is calling the world's worst humanitarian disaster. the hunger here, and tman catastrophe is entirely man- made. yemen was already one of tie poorest counin the middle east, and the war has pushed an already needy people to the brink of famine. in the midst of political chaos in yemen after the arab spring, houthi rebels from the north captured the capital sana'a in, before sweeping south and causing the country's then president to flee. neighboring sunni saudi arabia views the houthis, from a zaiydi yemeni sect close to of shia islam and backed by rival iran, alas an unacceptable threag their border.fo so ied a military coalition of countries in 2015, determined to defeat the houthis

and reinstate hadi as president. crucial military support for the campaign is provided by the united states, a long-time ally of saudi arabia. after three years of aerial bombardment and fighting on the ground, the coalition has, so far failed to dislodge the rebels. what the campaign has done, isth devastateconomy, leaving two thirds of the population relyinon food aid for survival, and over eight million people on the brink of starvation. i traveled across this country to see for myself what that looks like. since ancient times, yemenis have lived securely in villages perched high up on mountain tops. but now they can't hold off the hunger, like in al rafeah village. because people are so desperately poor here they can't afford to take their staing children into the hospitals and towns because they don't have

so the worst cases and the real signs of this hunger crisis are in vilges just like this. hannah and her little brother ali are frighteningly thin. their grandma tells me food prices shot up beyond their ach when the fighting started." one month after the war started hu were starving," she says." we are dying froer and we s n't know what to do." their dad ahmed pi occasional work whenever its available. ist most of the time all he can afford to give the smile. nearby sits gebran, so frail he can no longer walk. the saudi-led coalition imposes a blockade on rebel held yemen because, they saar houthi rebels bringing in weapons from iran. all food coming into the country must get approval from saudi arabia.at rocess is frustratingly slow and has helped push food prices up. yahya al habbari is one of

yemen's main importers of wheat. er says saudi inspections in nearby ports hold hing up. >> all our wheat shipments, with each shipment worth about $16 to 18 million, it stops at djibouti for six to five weeks, which every single day cts us $25,000 for the ship owners. >> reporter: bridges, markets and businesses have been ruined by airstrikes. government workers in houthi controlled areas of the north haven't been paid in two years. fore the war, the yemeni government was the country's biggest employer by far.en ages suddenly stopped, millions lost their livelihoods. >> the very simple fact is that most of the civil servants as of september 2016 have not been receiving their salaries.

that's affecting, if you include the civil servants with their families, nine million people out of a country of 28 to 29 million. >> reporter: that's what happened to maimona's family. her father was a public school teacher, class wages here.ddle now, with almost no money ming in, they are destitute. i went back to the hospital to check on her a few days later. r mother had arrived from their village and maimona was >> ( translated ): my husband now receives half a months salary in one year and when it comes weave debts to pay that are more than the salary. the house is full of kids and we don't have anything to give them. reporter: maimona was feeling better after some treatment. the doctors have saved her life, but the money problems that nearly killed her will still be there when she returns home. the saudi-led bombing campaign and blockade have brought yemen's economy to its knees, but the houthis also make life

difficult for aid workers to get access to the most needy. mistrust and harassment of foreign aid organizations is rvasive. international aid workers cannot access areas as dangerouv very often ann the yemeni aide workers often struggle help these ople. >> meanwhile the crisis is spiraling, with the number of people going hungry rising by the day. >> these d she heads up the humanitarian effort in yemen. >> >> most of the 8.5 milli people that we describe as being pre famine, the reality of their life is that when they wake up in the morning they have no idea if they will eat that day. no idea. 8.5 million people are in that category. the u.n. estimates that by the end of this year if th not

an end to this war another 10 million yemenis will be in that situation. that's 18 million innocent civilians who are the victims of this war and that's why all humanitarians are saying, "enough is enough, there has to be a political solution and the parties to this conflict have to sit athat table and agree to stop this." >> reporter: the warring parties are not yet listening to that call. earlier this month, an offensive for hodeidah city, currently controlled by the houthis, was unched by the saudi-led coalition. almost all the food coming into rebel held yemen come through the port there, and unitedti s says a battle there would stop the flow of food to millions. if they hope to survive, the malnourish children arriving into yemen's hospitals will need to hold on even longer for this disaster to ease. the truth is, many of on't outlive this war. for the pbs newshour, i'm jane ferguson in hajja, yemen.

ut woodruff: now after her reporting trip to - controlled yemen, our brave special correspondent jane feuson.ne that was very hard to watch. such important reporting. which leads may to thi question. it has been difficult for reporters to get to where you got behind rebel lines, how did you do that? >> to gein i had to go alone. i tried for a very long time to see if it was possible to bring the team in, a cameraman of my own, and that wasn'tossible simply because i had to be smuggled in. as you saw in the piece there i was dressed as a yeni man, that was the only way to get passed the checkpoints. essentially it is just a case of droofing in and hoping you are not asked for i.d. and turned back or arrested on the way. >> woodruff: tell us a little bit, te re are two morories come in this series. tell us about them, the first one explains more of what the u.s. role here is. >> that's right, the next stoat

ill be up will be talking about the aerial bombardment of these areas, there has been an aerial campaign, a bombing campaign against the houthlsi rend that las been essentially carried out by the saudi led calition of countries fighting the saudi houthis but there is one that is more passively behind, not quite as visible. we're going to be looking at that role. >> woodruff: and quickly the third report then in the series, the houthis temselves, who are they, their connection to iran. >> they are a group, you know, which is becoming more well-known as this conflict carries on but like because journalists aren't able to get into those areas, it has also been hindeng a greater understanding of who they are. used-- accused acc by the saudis and americans of having very close relationships, with iran, bei compleel completely armed by iran, having

hezbollah having a more formal relationship with them. they say that is not the case, they have a political alliance, philosophical alliance but that they themselves are anin pendent yemeni group fighting against what they sees is an invading forooce. >>uff: has become such a subject of political dispute including right here in this country. jane ferguson, such important reporting, thank you. >> thank you. um >> woodruff: ar of recent incidents have highlighted how racial tension or bias, even what socialuncientists call nscious bias, can escalate. this spring and summer, those concerns have taken on new urgency and risen to national attention as routine events can turn into confrontations among citizens and sometimes with the police.ci yamiche or explores this issue further in this racett s report. >> alcindor: several of the

latest confrontations have involved white citizens calling police on african-americans engaged in typical, everyday activities. ndcluding a 12 year-old mowing lawns near clevela, ohio, two men barbecuing at a public park in oakland, california, or this eight-year-old girl selling anttled water without a permit, outside the san cisco giants' ballpark. the woman who called polure here being ed on cell phone video posted by the girl's mother. >> you can hide all you want, the whole world gonna see you, boo. >> yeah, illegally selling water without a permit.rt >> on my pro >> it's not your property. >> aindor: the woman who mad the call later apologized, and denied that her actions were racially motivated. most of these incidents took place outside and in public and were caught on video that often went viral. while none of those incidents resulted in arrests rges being filed, they followed other high profile confrontations, including one in may that took much more violent turn., police in warsrth carolina responded to a call from waffle house employees over an alleged

argument with a black patron. and officers slammed 22-year-old anthony west into a wall and choked him. they said west, who had taken his sister to her high school pr earlier that night was uncooperative. he was later charged with disongerly conduct and resisti arrest. the c.e.o. of waffle house later apologized to west, privately. d in early april, two black men were arrested in aia philadeltarbucks when employees called police because the men had taken a table without ordering anything. the men were later released, anc settled with ty for $1 each, and a pledge from to establish a program for young entrepreneurs.th founder of starbucks personally apologized to the men. >> i think as i share with you in philadelphia it was a reprehensible situation we took complete ownership of something that was embarrassing and horrifying and all the issues we talked about tt day. >> alcindor: and the company closed thousands of its stores nationwide a month later, for a one-day employee training

session, on how to recognize and overcome implicit, unconscious, bias in their decision making. all of this comes at a time when police behavior and response is under scrutiny, particularlyco when is to detaining and arresting black people. on june 19th, police in east pittsburgh shot and killed 17 year-old antwon rose, as he fle. a the vehicle was stopped during the investigation of a drive-by shooting. rose was shot three times in the back as he ran. the officer who fired the shots was later charged with criminal homicide. many of these incidents have taken on hashtag and meme of their own, often referred to as "living while black." we exami the concerns and some of the responses with the president of the n.a.a.c.p., derrick johnso thanks so much jr being here, i want mp right in. there is an incident after incident of people calling the police on black people while doinaregular, everyy things like swimming and barbecuing. what do you think is at the t heart hese incidents.

>> well, we have seen since the president's eltion in 2016 an increase of intolerance. ply have individuals who sim see young kids and think they are criminals, they pose a danger. in my home city of detroit, much mitch, 14 year old simply asking for direction to school tot shot at. the level of intolerance is germ naturing directly from the white house. >> some people are crit siegz the police saying they shouldn't respond when someone calls the police on an eight year old selling about e eled water. what roles do you think the police have especially when the thinks say that they need to respond because if they are called, they need tone gage. >> at someooint the police als need to take account that individuals are being falsely accused, and those who are accusing shoulalso be facing criminal charges. how could anyone cul the poli on an eight year old selling bottled water. the level of i tolerance is something that needs to be responded back to by the poice so the false claim, those individuals making the claim should be charged.

>> and in some of these incidents we see white people, white women calling the poe on black people, these callers often say that they aren't motivated by race, they are jus concertizens that want to talk to the police. what is your response and what do you make of people saying that people shld have the right to call the police if they have a concern. >> we're not should call the police but it is something we have coen across thtry for many years. the difference now between the past is social media has allowed individual citizens to capture what is taking place to report it, and or have a counter, the truth.eo >>e are so disturbed by some of these incidents because we have seen lethal incidents where police have encountered unarmed african-americans anj shot them ust fieically but we also saw starbucks closed thousands of its doors to train their employees on implicit bias on unconscious bias, are you encouraged by what you see starbucks and others doing. >> when corporate citizens such as strbucks understand the complexity of what is taking

place, we take a step back, shut do the stores, take aloss to ensure that their employees understand the seriousness of misrepresenting someone's .haracter or behavior. that is significa other corporations should take note. >> so what do you thi the naacp is doing or should be someg to kind of counterac of the things you talk talked about. >> presidential election is the high water mark of activity, mi term electionshen activity goes down. we are encouraging our voters, individuals who hating for the presidential we must go vote during this mid term ele elections have consequences and we're living through tho consequences. >> race issues in particular, long before president trump was elted to office, you referenced that president trump several times but what do you make of the idea that this has keen a long history going bac generations of people, looking at african-americans and saying hey, that is a criminal, i need to call police, overcriminallizing african-americans. ha the answer is it s gone on a long time but to normalize

what is takg place, that is what is happening now. there was a time it would have brch unheard of in the last 50 years to have a shot rally and over time people say this is noh but since the presidential election we have seen a sharp increase, in fact, since the election opresident obama in 2008 we have seen this increase. and now there a complete loss of distrust, and media plays a ke role in creating tribalism in ways we have not seen in many many years. >> do you believe if someone can then elect, go the ballot box, election an official that cares about raise discrimination, cares about these issues, that that will stop someone from calling the poce on a girl who is selling bottled water, do you think this is something ultimately political or do you there is a cultural change that needs to be happening. >> it is account abiliqu tions that i'm raise. police officers only respond if there is accountability plac so when you have accountable urstrict attorneys to en they will apply the law equally,

then the police officers a just. their behavi if you have an elected observations who are leaders in their communities and pt in place public policy to hold people accountable, then the fts of intolerance will go away and, because there is any account abileasure that is in place. >> you talked about the laws, you talked about policie but what we're talking about white citizens is looking at an african-american child sea setting bottled water and say i need to you will ka the cops thark is not a law toking change but someone's heart looking at the child and say som kneeleds to happen here. >> it is hard to legislate someone's heart. the only thing you can do put accountability measures in place e d hope that different communities embr multicultural reality where people can have greateron appreciand understanding. >> i want to ask you about president trump's nomination to preme court. we don't know who they are yet. however a lot of these lethal cases with police are ultimately litigated in the courts. in your opinion and in the view

of the naacp wht are some of the most important things that might come before the supreme court. f us, we're saying that the new standard that the matdor leader established where the appointment of the last supremeo court nominee d be the standard now. there should be any one seated until after the new senate is seated. that is because the supreme court is significant. we have the voting rihts act will be right back before the tpreme court in the near future, allypes of civil right gains have brn made over time will come before this court panned if we allow an activist court to wipe out the gains made over the last 50 years, we will be a worse natior it. >> thank you so much for joining me, derek johnson, president of the naacp. >> thank you >> woodruff: now, back to the looming high-stakes showdown overustice anthony kennedy's

seat on the supreme court, a debate that could very well define the politics of this summer.an johnbegins there. >> yang: judy, we will talk about that, and more, in politics monday. we're joined by amy walter,al natiditor of the "cook political report," and susan page, washington bureau chief for "usa today." amy, welcome. we don't even have a nominee yet but we're already debating the nominee's poitions on issues. >> of course, john, this is where we live now.to we don't havhave a candidate to already have battle lines. we know this in this polarized environment we pretty much know how most peb meers of the senate will vote regardless of who the nominee. is so the actual targets in terms of vulnerable or senators who could flip their vote is very narrow, that is why we are talking so much about a handful of democrats in red states wh are up in 2018 and then a couplr publicans, lisa murkowski

from alaska, susan colins fromxt main, the eal fight and i think this is a fietd that will go beyond the nominee and ybe even beyond the vote is is defining the terms of the debate around what this. is you alrdy see democrats talking about this, this say referendum on roe v. wade and on access to health care, for republicans they wanto make this referendum on the quality and qualifications of the supreme court nominee, d use it to mobilize their base to say see, this is what happens when you get control of the senate and the presidency. you control who sitsn the court. let's not move that in 2018. let's go turn out andake sur w keep our practice jort in the senate. >> well, that's true. i hink democratsce a really uphill battle here. you know it ispossible that president trump puts forward a nominee that has some vuller in abilities, some things we dn't know about him, some compromise that happens occasiolly there might be a fighting chance but i think this is one that was pretty much settled by the 2016

electionen the presgets to make a nomination. the senate is then very united behind him band large oneven things on which in would be less pressure than this. so i think it would be an extraordinary step for the democrats to be able to deny confirmation. what they might do, though, is generate some enthusiasm, maybe some anger among base democratie votersp them turn out. but a supreme court fight is also likely to do the same thing for the other side.l this is pful for republicans to have a fight over an issue like this.ex demonstratinctly the value of them hanging together as they did in 2016. >> we've already seen it, talking about the battle lines drawn, susan kol insurance over the weekend saying that a demonstrated-- to "roe versus wade" would be a deal breaker for her but that. >> we know in these hrings the justices, the bheem are potential justices are not going to come right on out and say well, i'm absolutely going to make a statement about "roead

versus or any other established precedent, they might find a way to dance around it. san is also riht. the focus as susan collins saidn hat one republican vote but there are plenty of democrats who re7 cans could get to come and vote. so i think it is will be very hard to denit. but the overall landscape fight over roe v. wade i think democrats believe that that is also going toou turt the kinds of people who don't normally turn out for mird-term elections because this has never been a refer written in ta miderm year. >> the other topic, separating families at the border. liss an desjardins my colleague has been reporting for the department of health and human services, they say they ae no longer receiving children who are being separated from their families at the border. but that has park sparked aot wholr debates be request the disem krattic party. les lis tone senators kirsen

gillibrand. >> we should protect families that need our help, that is not what ice is doing today that is why i believe yohould get rid of it, start over, reimagine it and build something that actually works. >> you need to abolish ice now, you still ve the same president with same failed policy, whatever you replace it with will relect what this president want toes do. >> so no you don't suprt abolishing it. >> i think there are a lot of other things we can do before we get to that poi. >> susan, as the disem krats suggest el to figure out how to respond to president trump this now go to be a debate in the party, whether in primaries, eether or not you want to rid of ice. >> dwen, it is a gift to rep karchs. ige table is set for immtion to be a great issue for democrats in this election because there was a lot of concern about the separation of children at the border under the previous trump administration policy and over the failure to do anything about the situaon facing dreamers, so immigration is an issue that ought to be great for mocrats. this is an issue that gives president trump and republicans

an opening to argue that democrats aren't going to be tough on the borders, that can only help republicans. >> i think there has been an issue for democrats for a long time, not just recently and i think democrats have been quite frankly very receipt dent, even as the dhaka situation was unfolding to make this a campaign issue. they have spent many years, especially people who have en in congress for a while, watching the issue of immigration be turned against them. you don't ware about safety. you don't care about security. you support the rights of illegal immigrants 6789 are you not spending enough time worried about wh is going on here. 9 white house sent out a tweet, for example, to senator har cris frlifornia who also was calling for abolishing ice in someheay. this is hite house twitter account saying why are you supporting the animals of ms-13. you musnot kow what ice really does. so the expectation is that republicans are going make those same arguments against democrats, i tnk that was going to happen anyway. we saw it happen in the virginia

gov ner erase ere the issue ms-13 and sanctuary city 3r-s used againsthe democratic candidates to try to paint him as not tough enough on criit. idn't work there. but there are plentdee of democrats in swing districts in stwing states that are worriedil l be turned in that way. >>have to leave itre, amy walter, susan page, thank youu veryh. >> woodruff:n our bookshelf tonight, we explore the unique role of vice presidents and their ofn complicated relationship with the commander- in-chief. i recently sat down with author kate andersen brower to discuss her new book, "first in line." >> i thought this idea that you are in a primary, you nd then you have to work for the person who beat you was just fascinating.

and then of course the whole idea behind "veep," i always love the show on hbo, is this idea of constantly trying get the president's attention. and each of these relationships is so very different. >> woodruff: well in telling the story of these vice presidents you're also clearly telling the story of the president and how they deal with them, how they, how they view them. because they're you know they're ulaling with somebody who replace them. what did you learn about that? >> well it really the vice president's entire existence is determined by the president, whh i think makes it credibly difficult. mike pence's chief of staff told me, there's one person he has ty keep hnd that one person is donald trump. i start with nixon and d eisenhower in this book go up through the current white house. and you have stories from lyndon johnsoand hubert humphrey, where johnson is insisting that humpey not travel with any reporter because he doesn't want humphrey to get any attention. and he's insisting that humphrey run his speeches by his west wing, which is something y

also do see with mike pence and donald trump. td the west wing would go through the speecht hubert humphrey would make and strip out any of the really interesting things. and it was about kind of keeping him down. and then when he ran for office of course that really t impossible for him to win because he had to support the vietnam war, even though he was personally against it. and i think just the idea of these mpeting you know, this high wire act. ch woodruff: the choosing of the vice president, n interesting dance. you have this little-known story of how hard ronald reagan tried to get former president gerald ford to be his vice president. >> it's an incredibly compelling idea. i think the fact that ronald reagan really seriously considered gerald ford. and i interviewed dick cheney who worked for ford at the time and he said we couldn't believe how much power reagan was willing to cede to ford at the time.ur and sog the convention in 1980 there is a scene that's very similar to what happened

when in 1960 when robert kennedy s shuffling between thes hotel room floors trying to get l.b.j. not to sign onto the ticket. something similar happens in the 1980 cvention where gerald ford and his aides were asking for the moon. and ey kept pushing and pushing and finally this famous interview at walter cronkite did and which you know basically gerald ford was giving the idea of ao-presidency. >> woodruff: right. >> and that was a bridge too far for ronald reagan. >> woodruff: you do write about the current the mike pence donald trump relationship. the access hollywood tape comes out. mike pence does not, he's still the nominee, he does not take donald trump's calls at first. really interesting highwire and as you said...>> it was one of the few times where the power was really in mike pence's court at that moment, he was. if he had pulled out, who would donald trump have gone to? i mean on that list he had newt gingrich, chris christie who was persona non grata at that time.

he even had michael flynn on that list for a while no matter times people told him to get him off the list. and something i thought that wao ascinating is that his top vetting lawyer said he is quote it terrifies him that there's no f.b.i. vetting for vice presidents or presidents. >> woodruff: there's also there were also stories about joe biden. >> yeah, i mean, when i talkeds to biden, i ally struck first of all that he talks toe mike penceid at least once inmonth and that when foreign leaders like theof jordan, like the greek prime minister co to the u.s. and when hehe travels meets with them and he ss, "if you have an issue talk to mike pence, don't talk to president trump." he says that mike pence is someone you can al with in the way that bill clinton dealt with newt gingrich-- someone you could work with. >> woodruff: why have no vice presidents you pointhis out since george h.w. bush been elected president? theories? >> i just think it depends entirely on the president. and i do think that the natural

inclination of t american people is for change. and it's very hard to keep that message going after two terms. >> woodruff: it's interesting because it's almost turning the clock back. you have presidents giving their vice presidents more and more autonomy. but now it's turned around. >> yes. i mean, right now it's like hubert humphrey and l.b.j. i think. >> woodruff: which was not a close and warmnd cozy relationship. >> it was not. i mean, i interviewed mike pence, his brother, his older brother greg, who said when my uother was considering taking the job he called and he said you know i think donald trump reminds me of our dad. and greg said he was surprised by that and it and it took him b minute to thint it and then he said i can see what you mean. their dad was a korean war vet. very tough. i mean the six children did not stand when an adult walked into the room he would push them u bring thonto their feet. he sometimes disciplined with a belt. i mean he s a very difficult man to please. ani think that pence has

learned to deal with donald trump because he spent his childhood gotiating and trying to work around a difficult personality who kind os all the oxygen out of the room. >> woodruff: so many stories here so many relationships and just fascinating lessons about the relationship between these two. "first in line; presidents and vice presidents in the pursuit of power." kate anderson brower, thank you. >> thank you. >> woodruff: and that's the newshour for tonight. which heartfelt thank you an fairwell to long time cameraman charlie roth d tape supervisor don lecrkin, u will both be missed, we are gratedful to you both. i'm judy woodruff. join us again here tomorrow evening. for all of us at the pbs newshour, thank you and see you

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