captioning sponsored by cnewshour productions, ll >> woodruff: good evening, i'm judy wdruff. on the newshour tonight, president trump declares victory at the nato summit, saying allies will increaseheir lsense spending, but detai remain sparse. then, the trump administration says the youngest children separated at the border haveun been ried with their and, playing video games for a profit-- making sense of the growing phenomenon of the online live-streaming economy. >> it's no different than paying to see a comedian or so i guessr more aely someone playing guitar on the street. >> woodruff: all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour.

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>> and with the ongoing support of these institutions: and individuals. >> this program was made possible by the corporation for tblic broadcasting. and by contributioyour pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: the nato summit is over, and president trump says he got what he wanted. he says america's eupean friends will shell out more for their militaries, but they disagree. yamiche alcindor is in brusselsv and begins ourage >> i believe in nato. >> alcindor: the presidetu capped a tums two-day summit with that pledge, after

at a surprise news conference, he claimed victory in his campaign to make nato allies spend mo on defense. he would not say directly if he had threatened to abandon the alliance. did you ever at any point say that the u.s. though might stop engaging with nato? and do you think that your rhetoric helps nato cohesion or are you worried that people might think that the u.s. is going to not be as committed to nato >> well, they were probably worried, because the united states was not being tread fairly, but now we are because the commitment has been upped so much. but i can you tell you that nato now is a really a fine-tuned machine.re peopleaying money that they never paid before. >> alcindor: mr. trump was also asked about whether he even co without congressional approval. >> i think i probably can. but that's unnecessary and the people have stepped up today like they've never stepped up before. >> alcindor: but other leaders disagreed about whether esident trump's claims o defense spending were true. french president emmanuel macron, canada's jantin trudeau italy's giuseppe conte all

said there was no new agreement to spend more, beyond the existing goal of 2% of g.d.p. >> we had a very frank and open discussion on burden-sharing both yesterday and today. ec alcindor: at his own briefing, the natotary- general, jens stoltenberg, dodged specifics. >> we understand that this american president is very serious about defense spending and this is having a clear impact. >> alcindor: also having an impact: an approach to diplomacy the president insisted it worked. >> i thi it's been a very effective way of negotiating. now, what has happened is presidents over many years, from ronald reagan to bark obama, they came in, they said, "okay, hey, do the best you can," a they left. nobody did anything about it. we had a really good meeting today.ad we great meeting in terms of-- in terms of getting along. >> alcindor: mr. trump was late to that first meeting of the day, which focused on ukraine and georgia.co those twtries are engaged in a military conflict with

russia and they aspire to nato membership. the president will meet with russian president vladimir putin, on monday, in finland. he said interference in the 2016 u.s. election will be on the agenda. i >> i think we o that uceting not looking for so we want to find out about syria. and we will, of course, ask youi fa question about meddling. so all i can do is say, "did you?" and "don't do it." but he may deny. i mean, we'll-- you'll be the first to know, okay? nato allies: but have expressed serious concernsu that meeting. the alliance was created to check soviet aggression.h now, wssia again flexing ifs muscles in europe, mr. trump was asked today he regards putin's regime as a threat. >> somebody was saying, "is he an enemy?" he's not my enemy. "is he your friend?" no, i don't know him well enough. i hope we get along well. i think we get along well. but ultimately, he a competitor >> what would you say to your critics that say by creating this scene here nato, you're

only enabling president putin and russia to further disturb things in ukraine and georgia? >> well, if you consider putting up tremendously, you know, additional funds at a level that nobody's ever seen before, i don't think that's helping russia. i think that nato is much stronger now than it was two days ago. >> alcindor: but before putin, comes a visit to britain. and, trading one tense setting for another, the president left brussels for london. tens of thousands of protesters greeted his arrival.ie >> his polare totally abhorrent. his policy which i think is racist with the mexicans and also with the muslim ban, i think is completely wrim to welcomend we have a right to tell him we don't like him and we don't really want him on our shores. >> alcindor: mr. trump had dismissed the protesters in wsmarks at his brussels ne conference:o he aid he believes many in britain agree with his views on immigration, and that he'd offered a warning to the allies. >> i told them tod, the e.u.,

the european union better be very careful, iocause immigris taking over europe. and they better be very, very udreful. and i said that nd clear. >> alcindor: tonight, the president attended a welcome ceremony and a black tie dinner wiy. prime minister theresa tomorrow, he meets queen elizabh at windsor castle. >> woodruff: and joining me now from brussels is ouramich alcindor, and in london, where president trump arrived this morning, ryan chilte.ot hello toof you. yamiche, to you first, i know the press got only a very short amount of notice this morning t befoe president's news anference there in brussels, but what i want sk is what has been the reaction there among the n.a.t.o. allies to what theresident had to say, and what have you been able to learn about his enire approach at the n.a.t.o. meeting?p >> he reallyennedded everything that happened at n.a.t.o. today. i was working in the press filing center with a lot ofther

reporters, and we werwoe if you d aside quickly and told, hey, something's happening, there's gointo possibly be a press conference go, and set up. once we rushed in there, all the foreign press realized that white house press was on the move and, as a resultish it came this spectacle, almost, of everyone rushing to see president trump, everyone wanting to know what he had to 35, and he spoke for minutes. he was enjoying himself up there. he was not just taking questions from the white house press corps and a few other reporters which is what person presidents ofen due, but president trump doubled down on the fact he wanted to increase defense spending and n.a.t.o. secretary general said president trump's tactics were working, countries were getting together and saying they remember going to put together credible national plans to up their defense spend big 2024. >> woodruff: and when that waser e flew straight to london, the united kingdom, what's the

onory there? >> president trumpnues to be in a good mood and you could tell that from the beaming smile he had at blennum palace for the black tie event this evening, the birth place ofon win church hill who coined the phrase that special rel described the relationship between the u.s. and the u.k. back in 1946, and president trump is a big fan and he's wanted to go to that palace and have a big dinner at that palace ever since the prime minister here teres tsa may invited him 18 months ago, so he's thrilled. the mood of the people is a lile different. you remember, that invitation a year and a halago sparked huge protests in this country and the visit was downgraded from a state visit, a big honor, a very special visit with lots of pomp and circumstance to a working visit, ands it wa postponed and cancelend, yet, there are still going to be protests. there were a few hundred people

outside the palace this evening despite the fact it's in the middle of the enlish countryside and we're expecting a big protest here in london. >> woodruff: yamiche, we know one of prime minister theresa may's concns is about what th president has been saying and may be doing with russia's president vapt. vladimir putin. he's going to meet him monday, was praising him again today. what do we know about the planst for eeting? >> well, president trump had really nice words to say about russia, and he c refused tmmit to not recognizing the annexation of crimea and crimea as part of rus'sa. th big deal. now, he did sign on to a n.a.t.o. joint statent where all 29 members say they agree ahey would not recognize cri as part of russia. however, when president trump was pushed to talk about his personal views and to talk about whether or not, when he sat down with president putin that he was going to make sure he stuck to that, he would not comt to that. >> woodruff: ryan, before the

president left brussels this morning, he talkeabout, at one point he said he doesn't think the british voters are going to e kind of brexit they want, exitr fom the european union. how does that affect prime minister may and the challenges she faces now?e >> it putsr in a very awkward position and a comment from the president of the united states that she definitely n't appreciate. it was a direct criticism of the policy of her government and comes at a very sensitive time. he didn't stop there. he also said the u.k. is a hot spot now, that country is in turmoil. like the leader of the european union said abo tut presidemp once, maybe she's thinking that, with friends like this, who >>eds enemies? oodruff: thank you both for great reporting. ussels, alcindor in br ryan chilcote in london. >> woodruff: late today, president trump told the u.k.'s sun tabloid newspaper that former foreign secretary boris

johnson would "make a great prime minister." in the day's other news, the mocratic leader in the u.s. house questioned whether russia influenced president trump's conduct at the nato summit. nancy pelosi spoke at her weekli briefiwashington and said the president's behavior raises a critical question: >> what do the russians have on donald trump political financially, and personally? because this is-- there's no way to explain the disrespect that he's demonstrang. >> woodruff: pelosi would not say if democrats will investigate the president, if they win back the hoe in the mid-term elections. the russia investigation also spilled into the debate over supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. senate minority leader charles schumer said today t kavanaugh's views on executive power suggest he might block attempts to charge president trump. but majority leader mitch

mcconnell call that a "far- left conspiracy theory." meanwhile, kavanaugh's financial forms show thousands of dollars in credit card debt, that was paid off in 2017. the white house says friends reimburs the judge for baseball tickets. f.b.i. agent peter strzok defiantly denied today that he let an anti-trump bias affect the russia investigation. he faced off with house republics, at his first publi hearing since being taken off the probe. >> i want to ask you, in that first week... >> woodruff: things heated up in a hurry, with house oversight committee chair, trey gowdy,ng presgent strzok about the 16art of the russia investigation, in >> between the beginning of it on july 31 and august the 8th; it's an eight-day time period, we're a week into an investigation; how many people had you interviewed? >> as you kn, the counsel of the f.b.i., based on the special

counsel's equities, havere ed me not to answer any questions about the ongoing investigation into russi attempts to interfere-- >> the gentleman, the gentleman will suspend and the clock will suspend. mr. strzok, you are under subpoena. >> woodruff: strzok was on the hot seat because of anti-trump text messages he sent, while playing a lead role the outset of the special counsel's trump-russia probe. he was ultimately removed from the investigation, but today, he offered an impassioned defense. >> i can assure you mr. chairman, at no time, in any of these texts did those personal beliefs ever enter into e realm of any action i took. and the suggestion that i, in some dark chamber somewhere in the f.b.i., would somehow cast aside all of these procedures, all of these safegaurds and somehow be able to do this, astounding to me. it simply couldn't happen. and the proposition that that is going on, that it might occur f.ywhere in the f.b.i., deeply

corrodes what thi. is in american society, the effectiveness of their mission and it is deeply destructive. >> woodruff: democrats applauded the st grilled strzok for much of the day. he testified that he k other f.b.i. personnel who had pro-trump ases, but he insisted he never saw bias either way in investigative decisions. >> woodruff: on immigration, the trump administration said today it has reunited 57 children, under the age of five, with their parents. it says 46 others were not eligible for a variety of reasons. we'll have a full report, later in the program. president trump is talking up progress with north korea. today, he tweeted out an image of a letter om kim jong un. in it, the north korean leader talks of "epochal progress" in improving relatis.

the two sides were to meet tay on returning the remains of americans killed in the korean ner. that's been postuntil sunday. in southwest syria, the first sity to revolt against predent bashar assad has fallen. state tv today showed the syrian flag flying in daraa, amidde royed buildings. it said rebels agreed to surrender, along wh their heavy weapons. parts of northeastern andno hwestern syria remain ntside government control. officials in jap confirm at least 200 dead in this week's flood disaster around hiroshima, with dozens still missing. piles of water-logged debris still dominate the landscape. more than 200,000 households have no water, as extreme heat lingers overhe area. back in this country, the u.s. justice department has appealed

a federal judge's ruling that allowed time-warner and at&t to merge. the judge rejected the government's argument that the combination will hurt competition and hike prices. the founder of one of the nation's largest pizza chains has resigned as chairman after ing a racial slur. john schnatter of papa john's stepped down last night, and issued an apolog he had already resigned as papa john's c.e.o. last yea after criticizing n.f.l. players for protesting during the national anthem. and, on wall street, stocks recovered yesterday's lost ground, as tech shares came big. the dow jones industrial average gained 224 points to close near ,925. the nasdaq rose 107 points, more than 1%, and the s&p 500 added 24. still to come on the newshour: ohio governor john kasich's critique of u.s. foreign policy.

the government reunites some immigrant families but says others do not qualify. the infamous emmett till case reopened amid new evidence, and much more. >> woodruff: we return now to president trump's visit to thequ nato summit antions from within his own party about his temperament in dealing with foreign leaders there. for more on that, i spoke a icort time ago with john k the republican governor of ohio and former presidential candidate. i began by asking governor kasich about his criticism of mr. trump's foreign policy approach>> y concern is this alliance that we have, the relationships that we've had that emerged after world war ii and many of the unilateral actions that we've taken, whether withdrawing from the paris accord, theon

imposif tariffs based on what i think are flimsy grounds, the unilateral witl from the iran agreement, withdrawal p.p.t., the disaster at g7, iay see the g of a 0 lationship that has kept the peace forars at somewhat at risk and am very concerned about it. didn't come to criticized him or level personal attacks. i am worried about the direction, the strength of the alliance because it's important we aa strong team. >> woodruff: in brussels this morning before he left, the president said we made tremendous progresat this meeting, he talked about how the u.s. is committed to a strong n.a.t.o. so i oness my quesis even if he kicks up a lot of dust, which his suporters acknowledge, if, in the end, there's results, if the allie r example, are putting more s money into defense, heking credit for it -- >> well, first of all, i think there's a wrecking ball diplomacy here, that we go in and stir everything up. you have to remember, the

leaders of these countries with represent their nations and they natione leaders of their and, when we start talking about nfluenceny under the of russia or when we impose tariffs on these coesntn the basis of national security grounds, it creates a w,disharmony. n terms of the 2%, they have committed to this four years ago, and i hope they've accelerated it. look, this has been so many presidents and congresses have asked themo do more and i'm glad the president aked them to raise it but is not asking in the right way. it's not the use of diplomacy that i think strengthens us but causes resentment. look at what people weren't at the meetings, the resent is growing. >> woodruff: what are worried is going to happen? >> i'm not worried anythin will happen today but'm worried the fraying relationship will be

repaired. approaches matter. what price have you paid in l disunit over tng run? i don't even want to have to do this, i don'want to have to y this, but somebody's got to say these things, somebody has to speak out on these tariffs which, frankly, there is flimsy excuses for being able to move rward on them. the america alone philosophy, i don't think it's good for us look, the president was elected, i was not, i'm not doing this to advance myself, only to point out there's a difference between some people and the pesident. >> woodruff: why don't you think other republicans who share your views are speaking out? >> we heard a couple of peeps out of the united states senate. they actually passed a non-binding resolutionmi overwhly on the importance of n.a.t.o. and on trade, registering their deep disagreement with thpresident, they're beginning to do it. in terms of -- you know, there is a tril effect. it was there when obama was president, we're seeing it now with president trump, and you

respect the office but you don't have to kowtow, you don't haveto ay i don't have any reason for being here e. you think'r thkowtowing? >> i think they have been, yes. i think maybe they're cting of this stupor they have been in up there. they don't say boo about, anythim not mere all the time, but if you talk to them privately they sort of have a different message in private than public. that doesn't mean ave to have a war with the president. i don't want to have a fight with the president, but when there are policy differences -- and i'm not interested in the personal character attacks on ptheresident, i'm not going to do it, but there are a dramatici policyerences that i think undermine our ability to have a team of nations that supesport e vahat we have believed in for 70 years. >> woodruff: one more fopoign cy question. the president, as you know, meets monday with vladimir pug n. they're go have a one-on-one meeting. he's said in the last few days that this was going to be easier than his meetings with the

european allies. nancy pelosi, house minority leader, said today she wants to ow what the russians have on donald trump "politicay, financially and personally." do you have questions about that? >> that's not what enters into my mind. what enters into my mind are concerns when donald trump says that pasrhaps if putiks us to call off military exercises in the ball ticaks, you know,ybe we'll do it or, you know, not being tough enough with him on the way they've disrupted elections, not only ours but around the world, and don't be saying that people in crimea speak russian, so maybe, you kn, that annexation wasn't illegal. i mean, those are things i disagree with, buthe nversation that he will have at this summit is very important, even though we fundamentally disagree with much ofndhat russia stafor today, but we need to have additional arms control talks and agreements to begin to limit our arse necessarily.ou widoing that, i think it poses risks for the world, but let's nt lose sght of who

ing with. george bush said he looked into putin's eyes and into hi soul. i don't know what side of putin he was looking at that day. you have to be tough minded whn you deal with an adversary who used to be such an important k.g.b. official. >> woodruff: immigration and separating families at the border, there has been so nch focus his this week. the administration announced late last night they will now reunite all children under agefi with their parents, with the exception of something like 46 who still have some issues. the president is saying people should stay away from the border, whether they have children or not, they're not welcome in this country uness they're here illegally. he says, basicmyly, wha opponents want is open borders, they want everybody to be able to come in. >> i think it's irresponsible for the democrats to say we ought to abolish i.c.e. and hav open borders. they're beyond left field. i don't even know where they

are. however, the idea that we would separate families at the border, to me, is nt an american value. when we see this, everybody came out agnst it, the administration has now reversed its poliu. judy, of e, we have to have strong borders, but we also need to have an effective policy to deal with our neighborhood. if you're in guatemala, you're a mom and your daughter is being threatened with rape or your son being murdered, of course you'ge go get the heck out of where you live and come to the united states and seek asym. so we need to have more asylum judges, we neewhd facilitieere families can be housed together. you know, give us your tired and poor is wh part of what the stae of liberty is about. i believe in a policy that would be directed at guatemala, el salvador, honduras, is something we should think about because all of the poblems can't be solved at the border. >> woodruff: governor, you haven'said whether you've decided to run for president.

>> i don't know what i'm going to , judy. >> woodruff: you're writing opinion pieces, traveling, you're going to new hampshire the week after the midterm elections. >> sure, great opportunity to do that. >> woodruff: what would itot take for youto run for president? >> here's what we know, it's very hard to predictat's going to happen in the next five minutes in politics today than over the period of the next month, so we'll see happens, and i will also tell you that my future -- i mean, i control my future to some degree, but my future is, to some degree, in the hands of the lord, and i don't know where he's going to direct me. we'll see. >> woodruff: we'll keep talking to you. >> i hope so. >> woodruff: governor john kasich of ohio. thank you. >> thank you >> oodruff: as we reported earlier, the trump administration says as of this morning, it completed theic reunion of 57 children, all under the age of five, all separated from their families

after entering the united orates. a federal judge hared those reunifications last month, sdand set a deadline for t of this week, which the admistration failed to meet. today, dozens of children under the age of five remain in government care, and many hundreds more over the age of five have yet to be reunited with their families.ks john yang spith amna nawaz, who's been following this story. >> yang: judy, the 57 children reunited with families represent just over half of the migrant children younger than five who were separated at the border. earlier today, government offials gave more details of the reunification process and its plans deal with the thousands or remaining, older children. my newshour colleague amna nawaz is here to break it all down for us. am narks why only 57 about the other 46? >> the key part of the revernment's language here is eligible chi since the june 26 court order,

government officials havell basibeen working to locate, identify and then vet the parents that they see they need to reunite those children with as a result of that process, running background checks, running investigations, they excluded 46 kids. why? one category they say 22 kids were fod neligible for reyiewfngz because of safety concerns posed by the results -- serious criminal history, allegation of child abuse, not e nvironment to put the kid bang into. the other category, 24 kids ineligible because to have the circumstances of the adults. a number of adults were already deported. a number of adults are still in custody of the u.s. marshals or state jails for offenses so those kids could not be placed into a safer stable environment. the government says if they can't secure thell being of the kids, they won't relse them. >> it took them three weeks to do this. why so long? rocess is having to go back and locate the parents in the first place. they had to do forensic

backchannelling here. we've learned through our reporting that the system set up in the first place really wasn't set up to reunify on the back end, they were resolvg the process on the back end. the 46 kids still out, just in the regular reunification pipeline.no they'rexpedited or under a court ordered dead lynn.th r sponsors are going through the process, which we have no time line for. >> woodruff:. there's another deadline july 26 between children ages 5 and 17. >> that's correct. what's the government's plan for them? >> well, it looks to be very much still evolving. we have late filings that came down with the crts. i'll go to paper at this point, only because the number of kidfs 5 to 17, we still don't know what it is. they had to submit t a listh the first number of kids, the under fives, we knee that was the 103. we don't know how many kids between five and 17, somewhere between 2,000 d 3,000, a

pretty big range. as to have the latest filing, it looks like the cou is askg they file the list by tomorrow, so we should at least have some t we're number th working with, but also because the government missed the earlier deadlines, the u clu is now asking for specific remedies from the court, and they're asking fr seven steps, including things like a complete list detailed by agereakdown of the 5 to 17-aged kids bymo ay july 16, want all parnlgt verifications by thursday july 19th and a daily report filed with the court saying how many reunifications can you do ed every day,d and a detailed reason if anyone is excluded fom that list and these are details we're still very much going through in this latest filing but that the how we think they'll handle the next group. >> it sounds like the judge doesn't want the next deadline missed. >> the judge said over and over again the process should be aimed toward reunification. it's not necessarily ant

punishing the government, but the u clu and court said there has to be a reicourse if youss the deadlines again and again. >> you have been llowing 3-year-old name sophie that you met during your reporting ton border. what's thetors? >> my colleague and i met her in juarez, came with her across the border. she is still in the reunification pipeline. the government won'comment on a specific case, but she is part of the 46 children excluded from eligible -- being eligie for reunification now. there's a subset of seven adults from the 46 who were not the parent. sophia came with her grandmother, despite the grandmother saying she had legal guardianship papers that at the time were dismissed. he reunification is nodit exd, she is three years old, 20 days in custody.e they hav end for the time line. >> keep us updated.

ofourse. thank you, amna.n. s, j >> woodruff: stay with us, coming up on the newshour: how video game players a making money live streaming themselves online. and a brief but spectacular take om actor alan alda. but first, the department of justice is re-opening the investigation into the 1955 murder of emmett till, thefo teen year old african- american boy whose brutal killing by two white men in mississippi became a galvanizing event that helped spark the civil rights movement in america. william angham has the latest on the decades-old case.in and a wa there are some very disturbing images in this report. >> brangham: emmet till was a young boy from chicago who in 1955 was visiting family in mississippi when he allegedly

whistled and made a sexual remark to a white woman named carolyn bryant and grabbed her. this was the jim cw south, and for his alleged actions, emmett till was kidnapped by ard men, brutally beaten and shot in the head. his killers took a heavy pieceeq of farm pment, tied it around his neck with barbed wire and threw his body into the tallahatchie river. it was discovered several days later.ot till's mr, mamie till bradley, demanded an open casket funeral for her son in chicago. she wanted to show the nation exactly what racist violence looked like. tens of thousands of people came to see till's mutilated body, and photos were published nationwide in mainly black publications. the next month, two me carolyn bryant's husband and his halfrother-- were tried for till's murder and acqud by an all white jury. in an interview aftefrards, the mely admitted they'd killed the teen. last year, timothy tyson's book "the blood of emmett till" had this revelation: carolyn bryant

admitted she lied about her interaction with emmet till, saying the teenager never "grabbed her around the waist or uttered obscenities" as she had testified at trial. bryant added, "nothing that boy did could ever justify what happened to him." tyson spoke with jeffrey brown about this revelation last year: >> iertainly never thought s was telling the truth at trial. she's been in hiding almost for all these 60-somyears. it was her husband who did the killing and her brother-in-law. it's not clear what role she had inhat. >> brangham: in a letter to congress, the department of justice said it was reopeningin thstigation into till's murder "based on the discovery of new information," but it didn't specify what that information was, or who might be the subject of their inquiry. both of the admitted killers have since died. joining me now is democraticna r doug jones of alabama. in his earlier life, jones successfully prosecuted another famous decades-old civil rights case.

he convicted two members of the ku kan for the murder of four young black girls in the 1963 bombing at the treet baptist church in birmingham, alabama. to the, welco "newshour". i wonder if you could give me your reaction to the news of th reopen the inquiry into emmett till's case. >> it's pretty exciting. that's a decades-old case that needs as thorough look as possible. it's an uphill battle on any of the old cases, but that one of all the cases out there needs as thorough a look as possible. we'll see how it goes. >> the doj said there is new evidence but haven't ex bhaindz what the evidence me or who they're looking at. why do you think this is happening now? >> well, obviously, they have seen some new evidence. i think there are media reports about admissions that the rifene off the former defendants who is now deceased has made. i think that's probably part of it and i think the justice department, over the years, has

en very active in trying to take a look at these old cases. from the tims u.s. attorney in 1997, they have been pretty active consistently throughout the admwiinistrations regards to these cases. if they can make a case, they will make a case. if they can't, they'll send it off to the state to seef th state can make a case, which is probably more likely in the case of the emmett ill investigation, if a case can be made at all. it's an uphill battl >> help me understand what you think might still be left toau investigate be the two men who were charged with the murder were comn rated, but they then admitted they had done it, but theyave both die the wife of one of the men admitted she purgerred herself but i believe the statute of limitations is up on that. what is there still toat investin your mind? >> there may be others involved. the wife could have been involved. she could have been part of the whole conspiracy, that the lying was just partve that. so i think there's a way, at

least as far as the ste's statutes are concerned, to bring this in a matter in which the statute of limitation would not have run. it really is going to depend on who it is that they're looking at and how it tn conne the crime itself, not just the abduction but the murderself. >> timothy tyson, the scholar who wrote the book ability emmett till sd who we jut heard from with an old interview from jeffrey brown gave a press conference where he sd the announcement of this inquiry was politically motivated basically to cover up what he described as e trump administration's disgiating racl politics. do you think that's fair? >> no, i really don't think that's fair. the civil rights divhaisio been looking at this case as well as many others for, again, as i said, snce at least 1997, when i was the united states attorney, and it'been other administrations. i actually heard that same kind of response aut the george w. bush administration 15, 16 years ago, when they also took a look

at this. you know, th thing is -- and i can certainly undetand why people would say that, but the fact of the matter is, this is still a murder case. it was still a heinous cas was never solved, and the two perpetrators died. if we can bring any kind o closer, if we can bring any kind of healing or any kind of prosecution, and i think we ought to give it our best shot regardless of what the motives ght be. >> you prosecuted, as i mentioned before, another one of these de-oad cases where you had to go back and talk to people years and years aer a crime had occurred. how difficult is that as a prosecutor to do that? >> well, it's very difficult. i men, you've got two different problems. you've got one that so many of the witnesses are now deceased, in this case the two main perpetrators are now deceased. then for thoseho are still live, memories fade. trying to pull the cases back togeth, it's a puzzle in whi so many of the pieces of the puzzle are missing, and you'reho

ng you can pull the puzzle together to show a picture of guilt-year-old. it's very, very difficult to do. every day that passes, we lose the opportunity to actprually ecute these old cases. >> carolyn bryant, the woman at the center of the till case who said that till harassed her, she admitted that she lied on the stand. could she be in legal jeopardy? >> i think it's possible. it depends on what ppens after that. if the lying itself was part ofo an e to simply grab this young man and kill him, for whatever reason, but that was part of the plan, part of the conspiracy, then absolutely she co. if she was present in the automobile when till was abducted and the defendants knew she was lying about this and this was a prxt to abduct and kill this young man, then, absolutely, she could be. i think that's a little bit difficult, but absolutely -- you know, stranger things have happened, and i th these cases things have to line up just right, and, so, we'llo just see that goes.

>> you've introduced some legislatn that would try to help this process along for many more civil rights cases. can you explain what your legislation would do? >> sure. the legislion weintroduced this week would create a commission through the national archives so thaathese old cses can be assimilated, brought into one place, and a board, an independent board can look at the files, all the records to make those aailable to the public, to media, to the historians and the communitiess because,was just saying, not all of these cases, in fact very, very f of these cases now can actually be prosecuted for any number of reasons. but that doesn't mea shouldn't try to solve them. it shouldn't mean these familieh ld be denied access to the facts and truth about what happened and, quite frankly, the community needs to know this, too. the community needs to have the healing. >> senator doug jones of alabama, thank you very much. >> my pleasure, thank you very much.

♪ ♪ >> woodruf economics correspondent paul solman has been trying to figure out how the world of online and especially competitive video games, known as e-sports, are changing the media industry. tonight, he brings you a look at the world of online video streaming. it's part of his weekly series making sense. >> reporter: hello old mustached man. hi, how are you? and with this pleasant but sobering salutation, introduced to online streaming. at dreamhack, a video convention in austin, texas, where i got to experience a new profession now mesmerizing millions worldwide, for betteran worse. let's start with the bright

side. an upbeat onliner whose nom des streamnie fuschia. she showed me the ropes. look at that one. >> oh he knows your name. >> reporter: "paul solman is a legend." >> he knows you! >> reporter: the tingle of a blatant butter-up aside, what's atnot to like about commung with hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of people worldwide in a heartbeat. >> i think for most they hear us after two to three seconds. >> reporter: tell us who you are.d w old you are. >> yeah you can tell us for example what country you're from. >> reporter: germany,la neths, nigeria, ireland, norway, scotland. oh my, really. >> it's amazing and erybody anst responds. >> reporter: in ge where more and more people consume video online, and especie ly more and mung people," streaming" is the internet's version ofive tv, but with instant feedback. the streamers are the stars. an incomehensible way to make a living? hey, annie didn't know how to h te own parents. until... >> they started becoming

suspicious because they're like what you've traveled to the u.s. twse this year and before t year you had never been to the u.s. because it was too expensive. and my dad got so concerned because i couldn't tell him why. so he's like, "are you dealing with drugs?" he had a like serious talk with me, sit down on the couch, let's talk about this. and that's when i told them. >> reporter: that and they were dumbfounded? >> wel he was confused still, but at least he wasn't worried like in a safety, legal way. ur reporter: now, she streams upwards of 10 hos a day to build audience, playing a variety of video games. streaming superstar "dr. disrespe ," who focuses on battle royale games, puts in similar hours. here at dreamhack in austin, in a section devod to streamers, fans lined up to get a glimpse of, and maybe even swith, guy beahm.to

the good dhas 2.5 million followers on twitch tv, the youtube of video gamg. so what exactly is streaming? a continuous live video online feed to anyone who wants to log wh and watch. some streamers stratever they're doing: say watching and commenting othe world cup. but many play video games; mosto recently, the ttest game in town, fortnite.vi streaminership is surging. last year, there were more than two million active streamers on twitch each month. and all told, viewers spent inarly six billion hours t in. on purchased twitch for almost a billion dollars back in 2014. and virtually every social media platform-- facebook,outube, instagram-- now offers streaming services. >> after my very first stream i'm like, "wow ters can be a ca

>> reporter: really right away? >> right away. yeah i was like, "this is a... why is nobody treating this like a business yet." >> reporter: that was way back in 2013. now 26, kristen valnicek streams under the name "kittyplays."ln ek dropped out of college, and skipped a law career to grow a an base that now tops00 850,0, making her one of the 100 streamers on twitch. >> yeah you can. and it's kind of a learned art. as you practice and as you get into that you can become really talented at playing you know okooting mid kill you can up and see your chat and respond, "oh hey greg, good to see you again" or something like that. reporter: like many pro streamers, valnicek makes her living online. in her case, a very good one, up there with the streamers earning six-figure inces. but, and you've surely been wondering this since we gan, how? >> so the foundation i think for

twitch streamers is from donations and subscriptions and hien like some sprinkling of ad revenue and sponsops as well. >> reporter: let's break that down: subscribers are fans who pay a monthly fee: five to $25 and in return getsp some perks likial emojis they can use in chats., last mone made nearly $6,500 dollars from her subscribers, a cut going to the streaming company, twitch. >> thank you. >> reporter: then there are donations. that's the bulk of her income, which can come thousands of dolld s at a time. lnicek not alone. youtube is full of videos of other streamers receiving donations of 10 even $20,000. in exchange, streamers give shoutouts, acknowledging donors by name. >> i want them to feel appreciated and know how excited i am that like they want like mo

ent enough and want to support it. >> reporter: do you pay attention more to people who donate more? >>es and no. >> reporter: meaning sometimes, but what prompts the donations? >> every now and then i'll just stop by and droponey because because i feel like she deserves it; she deserves every bit she gets. >> reporr: king osiel donates to a number of streamers, including kittyplays. do you feel an obligation? >> no, it's not-- it's not an obligation it's just that i love her as a streamer and i do it because i love her h streamer. >> reporter: and what do you get out of it? >> just seeing her happy. she makes us happy all the time so i think that it was my turn to be like here's something to make you happy. >> it's ke it's no different than paying to see a comedian or so i guess more accurately someone playing guitar on the street. >> reporter: jacob wiedower,st another aming devotee who also has a channel on twitch. >> they're obviously trying to make a living doing what they love. >> reporter: okay, so far, so good if also so inscrutable to many my age. but we began by also promising

the bad-- the dark side of streaming. harassment toward female streamers, for example, like kristen valnicek. >> they come in and they're like, "you're trash at the gam y what a doing on this website, dah dah dah dah dah."ha >> reporter:is, what are women doing playing a man's, or boy's, game? streamer annie fuschia said she ero has been harassed, aft people found her home address online, and asked that we not use her real name. then there's "swatting": where a viewer calls to the police to melsely report a "serious incident" at e's home. streamers have been popular targets. heavily armed swat teams sometimes arrive.8- last yeayear-old streamer was killed when police arrived and opened fire. of course, the internet is also famous for instances of racism and sexual harassment.

kittyplays' site has built a community of good will, good vibes.er but isn't the problem that it's echo chambers like you knom neo-nazis for e who could all find neo-nazis and now feel empowered because they're not alone. >> oh, 100%. i mean that's the other side of looking at it. >> i mean i don't think it is dangerous for the mindful people who can realize that this is but i think it can be if you're tht told or are aware that this is even a proces's happening. >> reporter: still, valnicek has no plans of unplugging, especially because, as a woman whose forte is fortnite, she's something of a pioneer in a world long dominated by young me so yes, streaming has its dark side.ma but look streamers are a lot more like the roger federer of fortnite, "ninja," with 9 million followers, kitty plays, or our friend annie fuschia, a daall play video games, al every day, for fun and profit.

for the pbs newshour, this is economics correspondent paul .olman, reporting from austin texas and cyberspa >> woodruff: one postscript to paul's report. espn and disney have just signed a deal for live tv coverage, yes actual tv, of e-sports league. it's the first time that type of gaming will be shown live inin primetime, stalater this month. >> woodruff: next, we turn to other installment of our weekly brief but spectacular series. alan alda is an award-winning actor, writer, director, and now podcaster. his latest interview show, which includes everyone from comedian sarah silverman to violinist itzhak perlman, is called "clear and vivid." the first episode dropped this past tuesday. here his, artfully monstrating to our briefer

prodsteve goldbloom and zach land-miller, the importance of communication.a, >> mr. a'll just get a sound level from you if you can tell me what you had for breakfast this morning.ts >> everybody wo know what i had for breakfast i'm so sick of that. i'll tell you what i had for breakfast. i had peanut butter. two spoons, i'm starving. that's what i had for breakfast. >> this is exactly the answer we're looking for. we can go home. are you ready? (laughter) >> i was born in new york. my father couldn't make a living as a junior architect because the depression was on. and he started singing in, and it paid, amateur nights, where he was a ringing, he'd come in, and get paid to pretend he was an amateur and win the contest. and then he went into burlesque. we traveled up and down the-- from, i don't know, from baltimore to toronto.

i used to shoot craps with the strippers. it was, it was an unusuald. childh unfortunately my mother was psychotic. she had, suffered froman schizophreniparanoia. and it was difficult because as it wasn't didn't kn her fault. so i got very good at observing her. and by extension, observing everybodd else. at really i think that helped me be a writer and an actor i pay attention to peoface and their body language all the time. watch people when they communicate with other peoe. watch the next time somebody says, "here's how i feel about this. i feel very strongly about this."er you're over they're not looking at you. they're looking into the blue space over here. why? if they want me to get they're saying, why aren't they checking my face. and, and by the same token, if they're not checking my face, they're talking to the wrong person they talking to who they think i am.

as a matter of fact, this is very difficult for me beuse i'm talking to the damn lens. and they're two guys behind th camera and you're laughing, you're smiling, i got to pretend that the lens is what's reacti to me. i, i, but i, i am reacting to you, but i'm not, it's not peripherally, i'm looking into the lens. you're making it very hard for me to relate to you. improvising changed me as an actor and it changed me as a person. and i began to realize that i could really be of service to other people. first, scientists, because i spent 11 years interviewing i scientists aaw that when we improvise together, when we just listen to each other and had a conversation about t scienc science became clearer and it became alive. whatid you ask me, anyway? >> no, i am going to pick up on that. where did you-- >> oh, you're picking up on something, this is exciting, i'm so glad about it. oh go ahead, go ahead, this is a moment of spontaneity i love this.

>> where does your, where did your desire to help scientists communicate their work come from? >> that really came out of a moment. my desire to help scientists communicate came out of doing this science show, scientific american frontiers. they weren't conventional interviews. i didn't go in with a list of questions. i just wanted to understand em. and if i didn't understand them, i grab them by the collar and shake them and i'd say te l me again, m plainer, i can't get it. i wasn't afraid to be ignorant. ignorance is good, ignorance is a really good thing, as long as it's coupled with riosity. ignorance without curiosity, not so good i am alan alda, and this is my brief but spectacular take on being connected. >> woodruff: you can watch more brief but spectacular videos online at pbs.org/newshour/brief. and that's the newshr for tonigh i'm judy woodruff. a

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