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>> and with the ongoing support of these institutions: and individuals. >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. pd by contributions to yo station from viewers like you. thank you. w druff: the nato summit is over, and president trump sayst he got w wanted. he says america's europeanll friends will sut more for their militaries, but they disagree. yamiche alcindor iin brussels, and begins our coverage >> i believe in nato. >> alcindor: the president capped a tumultuous two-day summit with that pledge, after at a surprise news conferee,

he claimed victory in his campaign to make nato allies spend more on dense. w ld not say directly if he had threatened to abandon the alliance. did you ever at any point say that the u.s. though might stop engaging with nato? and do you think that your rhetoric helps nato cohesion or are you worried that people might think that the u.s. is going to not be as cmitted to nato? >> well, they were probably worried, because the uniteds tates was not being treated fairly, but now we are because the commitment has beechupped so but i can you tell you that nato now is a really a fine-tuned machine. people are paying money that they never paid before. a>> alcindor: mr. trump wo asked about whether he even could withdraw from nato, without congressional approval. >> i think i probably can. but that's unnecessary and the people have steppeheup today likeve never stepped up before. >> alcindor: but other leaders disagreed about whether presidentrump's claims on defense spending werue. french president emmanuel macron, canada's justin trudeaus and italy's eppe conte all said there was no new agreement

to spend more, beyond the existing goal of 2% of g.d.p. f >> we had a venk and open discussion on burden-sharing owth yesterday and today. >> alcindor: at hi briefing, the nato secretary- general, jens stoltenberg, dodged specifics. >> we understand that this american president is very serious about defense spending and this is having a clear impact. >> alcindor: also having an impact: an approach to diplomacy the president insied it worked. >> i think it's been a very effective way of negotiating. now, what has happened is presidents over many years, from ronald reagan to barack obama, they came in, they said, "okay, hey, do the best you can," andt. they did anything about it. we had a really good meeting today. we had a great meeting in terms of-- in terms of getting along. >> alcindor: mr. trump was lates to that fimeeting of the day, which focused on ukraine and georgia. those two countries are engaged in a military conflict with russia and they aspire to nato

membership. the president will meet witht russian presidadimir putin, on monday, in finland. he said interference in the 201. lection will be on the agenda. >> i think we go into that meeting t looking for so much. we want to find out about syria. and we will, of course, ask yout favorite qn about meddling. so all i can do is say, "did you?and "don't do it again." but he may deny. i mean, we'll-- you'll be the k first w, okay? >> alcindor: but, nato alliesve ha expressed serious concerns about that meeting.al thance was created to check soviet aggression. now, with russia again flexing its muscles in europe, mr. trump gawas asked today if he rerds yitin's regime as a threat. >> somebody was , "is he an enemy?" he's not my enemy. "is he your friend?" no, i don't know him well enough. i ho we get along well. i think we get along well. but ultimately, he's a competitor. >> what would you y to your critics that say by creating this scene here at nato, you're

only enabling president putin and russia to further distur things in ukraine and georgia? >> well, if you consider putting up tremendously, you know, additional funds at a level that nobody's ever seen before, i don't think that's helping russia. i think that nato is much stronger now than it was two days ago. >> alcindor: but before putin, comes a visit to britain. and, trading one tense setting for another, the president lt ofussels for london. tens of thousandrotesters toeeted his arrival. >> his policies arlly abhorrent. his policy which i think is racist with the mexicans and also with the muslim ban, i e inis completely wrong. to welcome him andve a right to tell him we don't like him and we don't really want him on our shores. >> alcindor: mr. trump had dismissed the protesters in remarks at his brussels news conference: he also said he believes many in britain agree with his views on immigration, and that he offered a warning to the allies. >> i told them today, the e.u., the european union better be

very careful, becauseak immigration isg over europe. and they better be very, very careful. and i said that loud and clear. >> alcindor: tonight, the president attended a welme ceremony and a black tie dinner with prime minister theresa may. tomorrow, he meets queen elizabeth at windsor castle. >> woodruff: and joining me now from brussels is our yamich ricindor, and in london, where president trump d this morning, ryan chilcote. hello to both of you. yamiche, to you firsti kw the press got only a very short amount of notice this morning before the president's news conference there in brussels, kt what i want to ass what has been the reaction there among the n.a.t.o. allies to what the presidentad to say, and what have you been able to learn about his entire approach at the n.a.t.o. meeting? >> he really uphennedded everything that happened at n.a.t.o. today. i was working in the press filing center with a lot ofther reporters, and we were if y would aside quickly and told,

hey, something's happening, y be as going to possi press conference go, and set up. once we rushed in there, all the foreign press realized that white house press was on the move and, as a resultish ithi becamespectacle, almost, of everyone rushing to see president trump, everyone wanting to know what he had to say, and he spoke for 35 minutes. he was enjoying himself up there. he was not just taking questions fom the white house press corps and aew other reporters which is what person pesidents often due, but president trump doubled down on the fact he wanted to increase defense spending and n.a.t.o. secretary general said president trump's tactics were c workinuntries were getting together and saying they remember going to put together credible national plans to up their defense spend big 2024.uf >> woo and when that was over he flew straight to lonn, the united kingdom, what's the story there?

>>oresident trump continues be in a good mood and you could tell that from the beaming smile he had at bennum palace for the black tie event this evening, the birth place of winston church hill who coined the phrase that special reldeionship ribed the relationship between the u.s. and the u.k. back in 1946, and president trump is a big fan and he's wanted to go to that palace and have a big dinner at that palace ever since the prime minister here teresa theresa invited him 18 months ago, so he's thrilled. the mood of the people is a little different. if you remember, that invitation a year and a half ago sparked huge protests in this country and the visit was downgraded from a state visit, a big honor, a very special visit with lot of pomp and circumstance to a working visit, and it was postponed and canceled and, yet, there are still going to be protests. there were a few hundred people outside the palace this evening

despite the fact it's in the middle of the english countryside and we're exp a big protest here in london. >> woodruff: yamiche, we know one of prime minister theresa may's concerns is aout what the president has been saying and may be doing with russia's president vapt. vladimir putin. he's going to meet him monday, was praising him again today.n what do wew about the plans for that meeting? >> well, president trump had really nice wos to say abo russia, and he refused to commit to not recognizi the annexation of crimea and crimea as part of russia. that's a bi deal. now, he did sign on to a n.a.t.o. joint statement where all 29 members say they agree they would not recognize crimeas art of russia. however, when president trump was pushed to talk about his personal views and to talk about puetr or not, when he sat down with presidentin that he was going to make sure he stuck to that, he would not commit to that. >> woodruff: ryan, before the president left brussels this

morning, he talked aout, at one point he said he doesn't think the british voters are going to get the ki of brexit they want, exit from the european union. how does that affect prime minist may and the challenges she faces now? >> it puts her in a very awkward position and a comment from the president of the united states that she definitely won't appreciate. it was a direct criticism of the policyf her government and comes at a very sensitive time. he didn't stop there. he also said the u.k. is a hot spot now, that country is in turmoil. like the leer of the european union said about president trump once, maybe she's thinking that with frieke this, who needs enemies? >> woodruff: thank you both for great reporting. yamiche alcior in brussels, ryan chilcote in london. >> woodruff: late today, president trump told the u.k.'sl sud newspaper that former foreign secretary boris johnson would "make a great

ime minister." in the day's other news, the democratic leader in the u.s. house questioned whether russia influenced president trump'sat conduct at thesummit. nancy pelosi spoke at her weekly briefing in washington and said the president's behavior raises a critical question: >> what do the russians have on donald trump politically, financially, and personally? because this is-- there's no wao xplain the disrespect that he's demonstrating. >> woodruff: pelosi would not say if democrats willth investigatpresident, if they win back the house in the gad-term elections. the russia inveson also spilled into the debate over supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. senate minority leader charles schumer said today that kavanaugh's views on executive power suggest he might block attempts to charge presidentp. tr but majority leader mitch mcconnell called that a ar-

left conspiracy theory." meanwhile, kavanaugh's financial forms show thousands of dollars in credit card debt, that was paid off in 2017. the white house says friends reimbursed the judge for baseball tickets. f.b.i. agent peter strzok defiantly denied today thahe let an anti-trump bias affect the russia investigation. he faced off with house republicans, at hifirst public hearing since being taken off the probe. >> i want to ask you, in that first week... >> woodruff: things heated up iw a hurrh house oversight committee chair, trey gowdy, pressing agent strzok about the start of the russia stigation, in 2016. >> between the beginning of it on july 31st and aug it's an eight-day time period, we're a week into anin stigation; how many people had you interviewed? >> as you know, the cob.sel of the , based on the special

counsel's equities, have directed me not to answer any questions about the ongoing investigation into russian attempts to interfere-- >> the gentleman, the gentleman will suspend and the clock will suspend. mr. strzok, you are unde subpoena. >> woodruff: strzok was on the hot seat because of anti-trump text messages he sent, while playing a lead role at the outset of the special counsel's trump-russia probe. he was ultimately removed from the investigation, but today, he offered an impassioned defense. >> i can assure you mr chairman, at no time, in any of these texts did those personal beliefs ever enter into the realm of any action i took. and the suggestion that i, in some dark chamber somewhere in the f.b.i., would somehow cast aside all of these procedures, all of these safegaurds and somehow be able to do this, is astounding to me. it simply couldn't happen. and the proposition that that is going on anywhere in the f.b.i., deeply

inrrodes what the f.b.i. i american society, the effectiveness of their mission and it is deeply destructive. >> woodruff: democrats applauded the statement,grut republicans led strzok for much of the day. he t other f.b.i. personnel who had pro-trump biases, stt he in he never saw bias either way in investigative decision >> woodruff: on immigration, the trump administration said today it has reunited 57 children, under the age of five, withr thrents. it says 46 others were not eligible for a variety of reasons. we'll have a full report, later in the program. president trump is talking up progress with north korea. today, he tweeted out an image of a letter from kim jg un. in it, the north korean leader talks of "epochal progress" in improving relations.

the two sides were to meet today on returning the remains of americans killed in the korean war. that's been postponed until. sund in southwest syria, the first city trevolt against president bashar assad has fallen. state tv today showed the syrian flag flying in daraa, amid destroyed buildings. it said rebels agreed to surrender, along with their heavy weapons. parts of northeastern andrn northwesyria remain outside government control. officials in japan now confirm at least 200 dead in this week's flood saster around hiroshima, with dozens still missing. piles of water-logged debris still dominate theandscape. more than 200,000 householdso have nter, as extreme heat lingers over the area. back in this country, the u.s. justice department has appealed

a federal judge's ruling that allowed time-warner and at&t to merge. the judge rejected the government's argument that the combination will hurt competition and hike prices. the founder of one of the nation's largest pizza chains has resigned as chairman after using a cial slur. john schnatter of papa john's stepped down last night, and issued an apology. he had already resigned as papa john's c.e.o. last year, after criticizing n.f.l. players for protesting during the national anthem. and, on wall street, stocks recovered yesterday's lost ground, as tech shares came up big. the dow jones industrial average ined 224 points to close near 24,925. the nasdaq rose 107 points, more than 1%, and the s&p 500 added 24. still to come on the newshour: ohio governor john kasich's olitique of u.s. foreign py. the government reunites some

milies but says others do not qualify. the infamous emmett till case reopened amid new evidence, and much more. >> woodruff: we return now to president trump's visit to the nato summit and questions from within his own pmpty about his ament in dealing with foreign leaders there. r more on that, i spoke short time ago with john kasich, the republican governor of ohio and former presidential candidate. i began by asking governor kasich about his criticism of mr. trump's foreign policy approach. >> my concern is this alliance that we have, the relatioe hips that wed that emerged after world war ii and many of the unilateral actions that we've taken, whether withdrawing from the pa riscord, the imposition of tariffs based on what i thinare flmsy grounds,

the unilateral withdrawal fromme the iran agr, withdrawal p.p.t., the disaster at g7, i see the fraying of relationship that has kept the perse for 70 yea at somewhat at risk and am very concerned about it. c i didnme to criticized him or level personal attacks. i am worried about the direction, the strength of thal ance because it's important, we are a strong team. >> woodruff: in brussels this rning before he left, the president said we made tremendous progress at this meeting, he talked about how the u.s. is committed to a strong n.a.t.o. so i guess my question, is een if he kicks up a lot of dust, which his suppoacers owledge, if, in the end, there's results, if the allies, for exmple, are putting more money into defense, he's taking credit for it -- >> well, first of all, i think there's a wrecking ball diplomacy here, that go in and stir everything up. you have to remember, the aders of these countries with represent their nations and they

also are leaders of their nation and, when we start talking about is germany under the inluence russia or when we impose tariffs on these countries on the basis of national security grounds, it creates a disharrmny. now, in of the 2%, they have committed to this four years ago, and i hope they've accelerated it. look, this has been so many presidents and congresses have asked them to do more and i'm glad the president asked them to raise it but is not asking in the right way. 's not the use of diplomacy that i think strengthens us but causes resentment. a lo what people weren't at the meetings, the resent is growing. >> woodruff: what are you worried is going to happe >> i'm not worried anything will happen today but i'orried the fraying relationship will repaired.

approaches matter. what price have you paid in disunit over the long run? i don't even want to have to do this, i don't want to have to say this, but somebody's got toh say thesengs, somebody has to speak out on these tariffs which,ankly, there is flimsy excuses for being able to move forward onhem. the america alone philosophy, i .on't think it's good for us look, the president was elected, i was not, i'm not doing this to advance myself, only to point out there's a difference between some people and the president. >> woodruff: why don't you think other republics who share your views are spaking out? >> we heard a couple of peeps out of the united states senate. they actually passed a thn-binding resolution overwhelmingly oimportance of n.a.t.o. and on trade, registering their deep disagreement with the presieynt, so the beginning to do it. in terms of -- you know, there is a tribal effect. it was there when obama was president, we're seeing it now with president trump, and you respect the office but you don't

have to kowtow, you don't haveo to say in't have any reason for being here e. you thinkwi they're kow? >> i think they have been, yes. i think maybe they're coming out of this stupor they have been in up there. they don't say boo about anything, i'm not mere all the time, but if you talk to them privately they sort of have a differen than public.rivate that doesn't mean they have to have a war with the presintnt. i don't o have a fight with the president, but when there are policy differences -- and i'm not interested in the personal character attacks on theid prt, i'm not going to s it, but there are a dramatic policy differenat i think undermine our ability to have a team of nations that support te values thatve believed in for 70 years. >> woodruff: one more foreign policy question. the president, as you knowm, meetnday with vladimir putin. they're going to have a one-on-o meeting. he's said in the last few days that this was going to be easies thaneetings with the european allies.

nancy pelosi, house minority leader, said today she wants to know we russians have on donald trump "politically, financially and personally." do you have questions about that >> that's not what enters into my mind. what enters into my mi are concerns when donald trump says that perhaps i putin asks us to call off military exercises in the ball ticks, u know, may we'll do it or, you know, not being tough enough with him on e way they've disrupted elections, not only ours but around the world, and don be saying that people in crimea speak russian, so maybe, you know, that annexation wasn't illegal.r i mean, thosethings i disagree with, but the conversation that he will have at this summit is very important, even though we fundamentally disagree with much of what russia stands for today, but we need to have addtional arms control talks and agreements to begin to limit our arse necessarily.g without doat, i think it poses risks for the world, but let's no lose sit of who

we're dealing wih. george bush said he looked into putin's eyes and into his soul. i don't know what side of putin he was looking atdahay. you have to be tough minded when you deal with an adversary who used to be such an important k.g.b. official. >> woodruff: immigration and separating families at the border, there has been so much focus on this this week. the adisation announced late last night they will now reunite all children under ageh five wieir parents, with the exception of something like 46 who still have some issues. the president is saying people ehould stay away from th border, whether they have children or not, they're not welcome in this country unless they're here illegly. he says, basically, what my opponents want is open borders,a theyt everybody to be able to come in. >> i think it's irre ponsible for mocrats to say we ought to abolish i.c.e. and hae open borders. they're beyond left field. re they even know whe are. however, the idea that we would

separate families at the border, to me, is not an american value. when we see this, everybody came out against it, the admivestration has now reed its policy. judy, of course, we have to have strong borders, bu nt we alsoeed to have an effective policy to deal with our neighborhood. if you're in guatemala, you're a mom and your daughter is beng threatened with rape or your son being murdered, of course you're going to gthe heck out of where you live and come to the asylum.tates and see so we need to have more asylum judges, we need facilities where families can be housed togetknr. yo, give us your tired and poor is wha part of what the ste ofb lity is about. i believe in a policy that would be directed at guatemala, el salvador, honduras, is something we should think about because all of the problems can't be solved at the border. >> woodruff: governor, you haven't said whether you've decided to run for president. >> i don't know what i'm going to do, judy.

>> woodruff: you're writing opinion pieces, ting, you're going to be speaking in new hampshire the week after the midterm elections. >> sure, great opportunity to do that. >> woodruff: what would it take for you not to run for presiden >> here's what we know, it's very hard to predict what's going to happen in the next five minutes in politics today than over the period of the next moh, so we'll see what happens, and i will also tell you that my future -- i mean, i control my future to some degree, but my future is, t some degree, in the hands of the lord, and i don't know where he's going to direct me. we'll see. >> woodruff: we'll ke talking to you. >> i hope so. >> woodruff: governor john kasich of ohio. thank you. >> thank you. >> woodruff: as we reported earlier, the trump administrationays as of this morning, it completed the reunification of 57 children, all under the age of five, all separated from their families

after entering the united states. a federal judge had ordered those reunifications last month, and set a deadline for tuesday of this week, which the administration failed to meet. today, dozens of children under the age of five remain in tvernment care, and many hundreds more ov age of five have yet to be reunited with their families. john yang speaks with amna nawaz, who's been following this story. >> yang: judy, the 57 children reunited with families represent just over half of the migrant children younger tn five who were separated at the border. earlier today, government officials gave more details of the reunification process and its plans deal with the thousands or remaining, older children. my newshour colleague amna nawre is here to it all down for us. am narks why only 57, what about the other 46? >> the key part of the government's language here is eligible children. since the june 26 court od, government officials have basically been working to locate, identify and then vetnt

the pathat they see they need to reunite those children with. as a result of that process, running backgrounchecks, running investigations, they excluded 46 kids. why? one category they say 22 kids were found ineligible for reyiewfngz because of safety concerns posed by the results -- serious criminal history allegation of child abuse, not a safe environment to put the kid bang into. the other category, 24 kids ineligible because to have the circumstances of the adlts. a number of adults were already deported. a number o aults are still in custody of the u.s. marshals or state jails for offenses soth e kids could not be placed into a safer stable envgoironme. thrnment says if they can't secure the well being of the kids, thy won't release them. >> it took them three weeks to do tis. why so long? >> part of the process is having to go back and locate thein parenthe first place. they had to do forensic backchannelling here.th

we've learneugh our reporting that the system set up in the first place really wasn't set up to ren unifye back end, they were resolving the process on the back end. the 46 kids still out, just in the regulu renification pipeline. they're not expedited or under a court ordered dead lynn. h eir sponsors are going through the process, wh have no time line for. >> woodruff:. there's another deadline july 26 between children ages 5 and 17. >>hat's corct. what's the government's plan for them? >> well, it looks to be very much still evolving. we have late filings that came down with the courts. i'll go to paper at this point, only because the number of kids1 from 5 t we still don't know what it is. they had to submit a list with the first number of kids, the under fives, we knee that was the 103. we don't know how many kids between five and 17, somewhere between 2,000 and 3,000, a pretty big range.

as to have the latest filing, it looks like the court is asking they file the list by tomorrow, so we should at least have some kind of number that we're rking with, but also because the government missed the earlier deadlines, the u clu is now asking for specific remedies from the urt, and they're asking for seven steps, including things like apl come akdownetailed by age bre of the 5 to 17-aged kids byl monday jy 16, want all parnlgt verificaons by thursday july 19th and a daily report filed with the court sying how many reunifications can you do every day, updated every day, and a detailed reason if anye is excluded fom that list and these are details we're still very much ing through in this latest filing but that the how we think they'll handle the next group. >> it sounds like the judge doesn't want the next deadline missed. >> the judge said over and over again the process should beai d toward reunification. it's not necessarily ant punishing the government, butcl the and court said there

has to be a recourse if you miss the deadlines again and again. >> you have been following 3-year-old name sophie that you met during your reporting ton border. what's the lators? >> my colleague and i met her in juarez, came with her across the border. she is still in the reunification pipeline. the government won't comment on a specific case, but she is part of the 46 children excluded from eligible -- being eligible for reunification now. there's a subset of seven adults from the 46 who were no the parent. sophia came with herhe grandm despite the grandmother saying she had legal guart anship papers th the time were dismissed. reunification is not expedited, she is three years old, 20 days in custody. f ehey have no er the tim line. >> keep us updated. of course. thank you, amna.

s, john. >> woodruff: stay with us, coming up on the newshour: how video game players are making money live streaming themselves online.sp and a brief butacular take from actor alan alda. but first, the department of justice is re-opening the investigation into the 1955 murder of emmett till,he ruurteen year old african- american boy whosel killing by two white men in mississippi became a galvanizing event that helped spghk the civil movement in america. william brangham has the latest on the decades-old case. and a warning: there are some very disturbing images in this report. >> brangham: emmet till was a young boy om chicago who in 1955 was visiting family in mississippi wh he allegedly a whistl made a sexual remark to a white woman named

carolyn bryant and grabbed her. this was the jim crow sout and for his alleged actions, emmett till was kidnapped by armed men, brutally beaten and shot in the head. his killers took a heavy piece of farm equipment, tied it around his neck with barbed wir anrew his body into the tallahatchie river. it was discovered several days tter. till's mother, mill bradley, demanded an open casket funeral for her son in chicago. she wanted to show the nation exactly what racist violence looked like. tens of thousands of people came boto see till's mutilated dy,ph and otos were published nationwide in mainly black publications. the next month, two men-- carolyn bryant's husband and his half-brother were tried for murder and acquitted by an all white jury. in an interview afterwards, the men freely admitted they'd killed the teen.r, last yimothy tyson's book "the blood of emmett till" had this revelation: carolyn bryant admitted she lied about her

interaction with emmet till, saying the teenager never "grabbed her around the waist or uttered obscenities" as she had testified at trial. bryant added, "nothing that boy did could ever justify what happened to him." tyson spoke with jeffrey brown about this revelation last year: >> i certainly never thought she was telling the truth at trial. she's been in hiding almost for all these 60-some years. it was her husband who did the killing and her brother-in-law. it's not clear what role she had in that. >> brangham: in a letter to congress, the department of justice said it was reopening the investigation into till's murder "based on the discovery of new information," but it didn't specify what that information was, or whmight bee bject of their inquiry. both of the admitted killers ve since died. joining me now is democratic senator doug jones of alabama. in his earlier life, jones successfully prosecuted another famous decades-old civil rights case.ct he con two members of the

ku klux klan for the murder of four young black girls in the 1963 bombing at the 16th street baptist church in birmingham, alabama. senator, welcome to the "newshour". i wonder if you could give me your reaction to the news of the reopening of the inquiry into emmett tils case. >> it's pretty exciting. that's a decades-old case that needs as thorough look as apossible. it uphill battle on any of the old cases, but that one of all the cases out there needs as thorough a look as possible. 'll see how i goes. >> the doj said there is new evidence but haven't ex bhaindz what the evidence might be or who they're looking at. why do you think this is happening now? >> well, obviously, they have seen some ne evidence. i think there are media reports about admissions that the rife of one of the former defendantsw who is n deceased has made. i think that's probably part of it and i think theustice department, over the years, has been very active in trying to take a look athese old cases.

from the time i was u.s. attorney in 1997,ey have been pretty active consistently throughout the administrations with regards to these cases. if they can make a case, they will make a case. ifenhey can't, they'll sit off to the state to see if the state can make a case, which is probably more likely in the case of the emmett till investigation, if a case can be made at al it's an uphill battle. >> help me understand what you think miht still be left to investigate because the two men who were charged with the murder were common rated, but they then admitt they had done it, but they have both died. the wife of one of the men admitted she purgerred herselft believe the statute of limitations is up on tht. what is there still to investigate in your mind? >> there may be oters involved. the wife could have been involved. she could have been part of the whnspiracy, that the lying was just part to have that. so i think there's a way, at least as far as the state's

statutes are concerned, to bring this in a matter in which the statute of limitation would not have run. it really is going to depend on who it is that they're looking at and how it can connect to the crime itself, not just the abduction but the murder itself. >> timothy tyson, e scholar who wrote the book ability emmett till and who we just heard from with an old interview from jeffrey brown gave a press conference where he said the announcement of this inquiry was politically motivated basicly to cr up what he described as the trump administration's disgustingtiacial po. do you think that's fair? >> no, i really don't think that's fair. the civil rights division has been looking at this case as well as many others fo, again, as i said, since at least 1997, when i wase united states attorney, and it's been other admitustrations. i ly heard that same kind of response about the george w. bush administration 15, 16 years ago,hen they al took a look at this. you know, the thing is -- and

can certainly understand why people would say that the fact of the matter is, this is still a murder case. it was still a heinous case that was never solved, and the two perpetrators died. if we can bring any kind of closer, if we can bring any kind of healiin or anyof prosecution, and i think we ought to give it our best shot regardless of what the motbeives migh. >> you prosecuted, as i mentioned before, another one of these decesades-old chere you had to go back and talk to people years and years after a crime had occurred. how difficult is that as a prosecutor to do that? >> well, it's very difficult. i mean, you've got two different oblems. you've got one that so many of the witnesses are now deceased, in this case the two main perpetrators are now deceased. then for those who are still live, memori t fade. tryipull the cases back together, it's a puzzle in which so many of the pieces of the puzzle arissing, and you're hoping you can pull the puzzle together to show a picture of

guilt-year-old. it's very,ery difficult to do. every day that passes, we lose the opportunity to actuallyth prosecute se old cases. >> carolyn bryant, the woman at the center of the till case who said that till harasd her, she admitted that she lied the stand. could she be in legal jeopardy? >> i think it's possible. it depends on what happens after ngat. if the lyitself was part of an effort to simply grab this young man and kill him, for atever reason, but that was part of the plan, part of the conspiracy, then absolutely she could be. if she was present in theto bile when till was ndants knewd the de she was lying about this and this was a pretext to abduct and kill this young man, then, absolutely, she could be. i think that's a little bit difficult, but absolutely -- you know, stranger things have happened, and i think a lot of ghese cases things have to line up just riht, and, so, we'll just see how that goes.

>> you've introduced se legislation that would try to help this process along for many more civil rights cases. can you explain what your legislation would do? >> sure. the legislation we introduced this week would create a commission through the national archives so that these old cases can be assimilated, brought int one place, and a board, an independent board can look at the files, all theo records make those available to the public, to media, to th historians and the communities because, as i was just saying, not all of theseases, in fact very, very few of these cases now can actually boe prsecuted for any number of reasons. but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to solve theitm. houldn't mean these families should be denied access to the facts and truth about wht happened and, quite frankly, the community needs to know this, too. the covemunity needs to heal heing. >> senator doug jones of alabama, thank you very much. >> my pleasure, thank you very much.

♪ ♪ >> woodruff: economics correspondent paul solman has been trying to figure out how thworld of online and especially competitive video games, known ae-sports, are changing the media industry. tonight, he brings you a lk at the world of online video streaming. it's part of his weekly series mang sense. >> reporter: hello old mustached hi, how are you? and with this pleasant but sobering salutation, i was introduced to online streaming. at dreamhack, a video gaming convention in austin, texas,er i got to experience a new profession now mesmerizing millions worldwide, for better and worse. let's start with the bright

side. an upbeat onliner whose nom de stream is annie fuschia. she showed me the ropes. look at that one. >> oh he knows your name. >> reporter: "paul solman is a legend." >> he knows you! >> reporter: the tingle of a blatant butter-up aside, what's not to like about communicating with hundr of thousands of people worldwide in a heartbeat. >>y think for most people t hear us after two to three seconds. >> reporter: tell us who you are.d and how u are. >> yeah you can tell us for example what country you're from. >> reporter: germany,ig netherlands,ia, ireland, norway, scotland. oh my, really. >> it's amazing and everybody just responds. re reporter: in an age whe more and more people consume video online, and especially more and more young people," streaming" is the internet's version of live tvbut with instant feedback. the streamers are the stars. an incomprehenble way to make a living? hey, annie didn't know how to p tell her oents. until... >> they started becoming suspicious because they' like

what you've traveled to the u.s. twice this year and before this year you had never been to the u.s. becauset was too expensive. and my dad got so concerned because i couldn't tell him why. so he's like, "are you dealing with drugs?" had a like serious talk with me, sit down on the couch, let's talk about this. and that's when i told them. >> reporter: that and they were dumbfounded? >> well, he was confused still, let at least he wasn't worried like in a safetyl way. >> reporter: now, she streams upwards of 10 hours a day to build audience, playing a variety of video games. streaming superstar "dr. disrespect," wba focuses on ttle royale games, puts in similar hours. here at dreamhack in austin, in a section devoted to stredmers, fans l up to get a glimpse of, and maybe even selfie with, guy beahm.

the good doctor has llion followers on twitch tv, the yoube of video gaming. so what exactly is streaming? a continuous live video online feed to anyone who wants to log in and watch. so streamers stream whatev they're doing: say watching and commenting on the worlcup. but many play video games; most recently, the hottes in town, fortnite. streaming viewership is surging. last year, there were more than two million active streamers on twitch each month. and all told, viewers spent nearly six billion hours tuning in. amazon purchased twitch for almost a billion dollars back in 2014. and virtually every social media platform-- facebook, youtubeno instagram-- w offers streaming services. >> after my very first stream i'm like, "wow this can be a career." >> reporter: really right away?

>> right away. yeah i was like, "this is a... why nobody treating this li a business yet." >> reporter: that was way back in 2013. now 26, kristen valnicek streame the name "kittyplays."ro valniceked out of college, and skipped a law career to grow a anase that now topsin tc0,000, makg her one of the 100 streamers on t >> yeah you can. and it's kind of a learned art. et you practice and as you into that you can become reallyd talet playing you know shooting mid kill you can look up and see your chat andd, resp "oh hey greg, good to see you again" or something like that. >> reporter: like many pro streamers, valnicek makes her living online.er in her case, agood one, up there with the streamers earning six-figure incomes. but, and you've surely been wondering this since we began, how? >> so the foundation i think for

twitch streamers is from donations and subscriptions and then like some sprinkling of ad revenue and sponsorships as well.ep >>ter: let's break that down: subscribers are fans who pay a monthly fee: five to $25 and in return get ojsome perks like special ney can use in chats. last month, she marly $6,500 dollars from hersu cribers, a cut going to the streaming company, twitch. >> thank you. >> reporter: then there are doattions. the bulk of her income, which can come thousands of dollars at a time. and valnicek not alone. youtube is full of videoreof other ers receiving donations of 10 even $20,000. in exchange, streamers give shoutouts, acknowledging donors by name. >> i want them to feel appreciated and know how excited i am that like they want like mn contengh and want to

support it. >> reporter: do you pay attention more to people who donate more? >> yes and no. >> rorter: meaning sometimes but what prompts the donations? >> every now and then i'll just stop by and drop money bause because i feel like she deserves it; she deserves every bit she gets. >> reporter: kg osiel donates to a number of streamers, including kittyplays. do you feel an obligation? >> no, it's not-- it's not an obligation it's just that i love her as a streamer and i do it use i love her has a streamer. >> reporter: and what do you get out of it? >> just seeing her happy. she makes us happy all the time so i think that it was my turn to be like here's something to make you happy. >> it's like it's no different than paying to see a comedian or so i guess more accurately someone playing guitar on the street. de reporter: jacob wiedower, another streaming votee who also has a channel on twitch. >> they're obviously trying to make a living doing what they love. >> reporter: okay, so far, so good if also so inscrutable to many but we began by also promisingba the - the dark side of

streaming. harassment toward female stream kristen valnicek.ike >> they come in and they're oke, "you're trash at the game, what are you doithis website, dah dah dah dah dah." >> reporter: that is, what areg women doaying a man's, or boy's, game? streamer annie fuschiashe too has been harassed, after people found her home address online, and asked that we not use her re name. then there's "swatting": where a viewer calls to the police to falsely report a "serious hocident" at someone'. streamers have been popular targets.he avily armed swat teams ldmetimes arrive. last year, a 28-ye streamer was killed when police arrived and opened fire. of course, the internet is also famous for instances of racism and sexual harassment. kittyplays' site has built a

community of good will, good vibes. but isn't there the problem that it's echo chambers like you know neo-nazis for example who could all find neo-nazis and now feel empowered because they're not alone. >> oh, 100%. i mean that's the other side of looking at it. >> i mea dangerous for the mindful people who but i think it can be if you're not told or are aware that this is even a process that's happening. ter: still, valnicek has no plans of unplugging, especially because, as a woman whose forte is fortnite, she's thing of a pioneer in a world long dominated by young men. so yes, streaming has its dark side. but look, many streamers are a lot more like the roger federer of fortnite, "ninja," with 9 million followers, kitty plays, a,or our friend annie fusc all play video games, all day, every day, for fun and profit. for the pbs newshour, this isec

omics correspondent paul solman, reporting from austin texas and cyberspace. >> woodruff: one postscript to paul's repor espn and disney have just signed a deal for live tv coverage, yes actual tv, of an e-sports league. it's the first time that type of gaming will be shown live in primetime, starting later this month. uf >> woo next, we turn to another installment of our weekly brief but spectacular series. alan alda is an award-winning actor, wter, director, and now podcaster. his latest interview show, includes everyone from comedian sarah silverman to violinist itzhak perlman, is called "clear and vivid." the first episode dropped thisay past tue here he is, artfully demonstrating to our brief

producers steve goldbloom and zach land-miller, the importance of communication >> mr. alda, i'll just get a sound level from you if you can tell me what you had f breakfast this morning. >> everybody wants to know what i had for breakfast i'so sick of that. i'll tell you what i had for breakfast. i had peanut butter. two spoons, i'm starving. that's what i had for eakfast. >> this is exactly the answer we're looking for. we cano home. are you ready? (laughter) >> i was born in new york. my father couldn't make a living as a junior architect because the depression was on. and he started singing in, and it paid, amateur nights, where he was a ringing, he'd come in, and get paid to pretend he wasan mateur and win the contest. and then he went into burlesque. we traveled up and down the-- from, i don't know, from baltimore to toronto. i used to shoot craps with the

strippers. it was, it was an unusual childhood. unfortunatelmy mother was psychotic. she had, suffered from schizophrenia and para and it was difficult because as a child, i didn't know it wasnhe fault. so i got very good at observing her. and by extension, observing everybody else. and that really i think that helped me be a writer and an actor i pay attention to people's face and their body language all the time. watch people when they communicate with other people. watch the next time somebody says, "here's how i feel about this. i feel very strongly about this." you're over there, theot looking at you. they're looking into the blue space over here. why? if they want me to get what they're saying, why aren't they checking my face and, and by the same token, if they're not checking mface, they're talking to the wrong person. they talking to who they think i am. as a matter of fact, this is

very difficult for me because i'm talking to the damn lens. and they're two guys behind the camera and you're laughing, you're smiling, i got to pretend that the lens is what's reacting to me. i, i, but i, i am reacting to you, but i'm not, it's not peripherally, i'm looking into the lens. you're making it very or me to relate to you.ov iming changed me as an actor and it changed me as a person. and i began to realize that i could really be of service to other people. first, scientists, because i spent 11 years interviewing scientists and i saw ten we improvise together, when we just listen to each other and had a conversation about science, the science became clearer and it became alive. what did you ask me, anyway? >> no, i am going to pick up on that. where did you-- >> oh, you're picking up on something, this is exciting, i'. so glad about oh go ahead, go ahead, this is a moment of spontaneity i love this.

>> where does your, where did your desire to help scientists communicate their work come from? >> that really came out of a moment. my desire to help scientists communicate came out of doing this science show, scientific american frontiers. they weren't conventional interviews. i didn't go in with a list of questions. i just wanted to understand them. and if i didn't understand them, i grab them by the collar and inake them and i'd say tell me again, make it p, i can't get it. i wasn't afraid to be ignorant. ignorance is good, ignorance is a really good thing, as long as it's coupled with curiosit ignorance without curiosity, not so good i am alan alda, and this is my brief but spectacular take on being connected. >> woodruff: you can watch more brief but spectacular videos online at pbs.org/newshour/brief. and that's the newshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff.

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