trump administration's plan to uh do air pollution rules and how ca is responng. he week in politics including electi security and facebook's ongoin struggle to police its own platform. what might a border wall look like. head to san diego to look at the pr hello and welcome to kqed newsro we begin withpo tics. this week the trump admini announced a plan to slash regulations under presid to fight air pollutcars. it was rolled back and rules requir auto makers to double theuel economy of cars to about 50 mile perin gallo 2025. are targeting the states like california toiret thwn

standa govern brown fired back saying califo will fight this stupidity in every conceivable way possible. as wildfires continue to burp in shasta county and mendocino and yosemi national park, lawmak are considering what can be done to cope are danger fire seasons. joinin me now with perspective on t issues is congressman john gar mendy who sts on the house armed services committee. you just toured the areas will ffect by the devastating mend seeno complex fires. they are stillaging in many areas under mandatory evacua what struck you the most as you ured area? >>. the courage of the people that were evacuated. ey are in very, very diffic situation. one woman had jst been to the hospit and got the news and i said what happened. she said i don't have twins. i'm going to have triplets. she got up with a happy smile and went to dinner knowing she

may not have atu home to to. enormo courage and the red cross workers and the firefi in a very, very danger situation that goes right back to the first question you raised about vehicle mil stnnda pollut and climat change. these tied together. >> governor brown said they are tiedin and anticipates more fires the future costing billio fight and repair the damage what do youbehin needs t done to plan and address this new reality? >> change ngress. you have got to change congress. if you don't change sngress, till continue on. the republicans are enabling the stupid of the trump admini they are not pushing back. and they won't pusbe backuse trump controls the base of the republ party now. sohat may seem to be politi if you want an answer to the question, congress has to change. otherw this is goin to go on and we will see the roll back of

obody in ations and congre sent it. they are not willing to stand up and stop it. >> that aside, isth there ang that can be done in the meanti what about from a statevel? what policies would you like to see? >> sue. sue the attorney general. maybe if the administration pursue this is on thery regulat side, it can slow it down with lawsui the rest. or if it gets past that, congre will enable it. >> you mentioned auto emissions. that's another big issue we a hearin about. what did you think about rolling back t era regulations. >> trump is in with the koch brothe the petroleum indust he believes there is such a thing as clean coal orlks about it as though he believes it. result of that is the to emissi standards that were in

place oba admini would consume less petroleum and create less carbon dioxide and less pollut and trump is going in the opposite direction. >> his atration claims that those standards under obama would increase traffic deaths by encour people to drive more and forcing auto makers to build lighte cars. >> think governor brown used the correc word to describe it. it's stupid. just plain stupid. it's as though this man, the presid has never driven a car and doesn't understand that vehicl mileag saves people a vast amount of money. if you want to continueto buy gas from the petroleum industry, reduce the stanrds so you can not have a car that has more than 10 miles per hour. that's grat for the petroleum indust terrib for the climate and air qualit trump is simply going the wrong way be this is plain

stupid s comments were that. >> let's switch gears and talk about foreign affairs.id you s on the house armed servic committee, what are the bigges teats to u.s. securi >> donald trump. i keep coming back to the fundam problem. it's the president. you look at the way in which he is refusing to protect this nation from russia's involvement not only in the campaigns, but also in the infrastructure. i know from confidentia hearin that are able to get into our electrical power plants including nuclear power plants his people were out just yester on thursday, saying is that there a threat the russia are here. the russians are engaged in the elecd the infrastructure. three hours later the president id russia is not a problem. come on. we need a president, we need this man to protect the nation.

that's his oath of office. russ is not only attacking our democr they are attacking our critical infrastructure and much, much more. the president has to stand up for americ >> on that topic, the president also this week tweeted basically a call mueller to end his rsia investigation. is thats obstruction or simply frustration like the white house said? >> what's the difference? ntin frustration about an ongoin investigation of his campai and involvement with the russians and when he says end it, is that obstruction? i beli a jury is going to be sdhag qstion and quite possib that question will come to the congress of the uninted states an impeachment hearin we are not there yet. it may come to we have the mueller invest we will see what comes of that. whentthe presid of the united states speaks and it has been confir his tweets are in fact his policies.

whethe he venting not. >> real quickly, we had an extrao instanhere the nation top security officials came and said that russia and it is our democracy is in the cross hairs. are yo the securi and the integrity of the upco election? >> absolutely. in my own tweet account, 300 acoun were deleted just a month ago as the company went throug tr delete 300 in my own account that were accessing our account. >> it'sastonishing. >> it is. it's a very real problem and this issuebout abolish ice has come from russian trolls that are pushing tha issue forward. they are definitely involved. and where is thel fede govern now we need a president that is nd make o back it up it

>> congressman, thank you for being here. >> in other political news, the tax ev and bank fraud trial agains paul manafort began this week. he is accused of failing to pay taxes more than $60 million he earned working for ukrainian oliti it's the first to stem from robert mueller's russia invest the manford charges are not tied to colsion. cebo said it removed 32 fake organi pages and accounts being used to influence american politi this come amid ongoing criticism at facebook failed to detect the accounts tonterfere in the electi joinin me are politicali s writer carly and shawn walsh and market watch's jeremy owens. welcom to you all. at a rally this week, president trump said gtting along with putin is a good thing.

advise said russia is a huge ongoin threat to the security and integrity of our elections. as long as the president's advise are taking the threat seriou does it matter what presidsaid? >> it's little strange to hav your advisers out of with whayo president said publicly. the president asked these folks toome in to the briefing room and say the words he hadto say. pompeo is criticiz them and i'm hopeful he is getting his seags and realizing that the olicy needs to be much more aggres for dangerous threats agains the united states. >> while they come out and give the administration policy, doesn' the president undermine them with his tweets as he did with pompei s what a great guy ki was and at the same t pompeo was saying you are not following our directives on the iss. >> it's not helpful from a

rhetor perspective, but the people making sure they are not being physically interfered with at the state level and doing theirjobs, i will take it as a win. >> speak of monitoring comput there are continuing threat of foreign interferenc online and in the elections. this week facebook said they delete 32 inthentic facebook pages accounts. how mu influence did these accounhave? >> it's just the top about 10,000 people following them. they w aimed at ethnic gorups the left. there one aimed at mxican americ and one aimed at african-amplicans. what p don't seem to realiz is this attack is meant to just sew divisivenes and ush people to the politic edges get them out. they created about 30 events trying get people out in the be l world where they can videoe and filmed being angry.

that is whatem ees of the u.s. want to see. they are not there to support the right or the left, but push americ towards the right and the left a have them yell at each other. >> create tension. >> create tension and ervisi that ody sees and they feel either i need to get on one side or the other i don't care and i don't vote. that's the thing that they want to see people angry. >>. all over facebook and twitr and t google,y were supposed to be created for good. rememb google's motto, do not evil. we are past they can acknowledge they're being used for digital warfare here. they don't seem to be acknit. >> google's motto is no longer do no evil. they did. they created the platforms and saw the great and d not prepar for the bad.

alex staiss wrote t memo. the chief security officer we ne to watch out for this stuff. even when they do, it'so betwee a and a hard place. they saw twitter break downnd they get accused of trying to get ri of the follower accoun try to get rid of the influence and bots and anyone there to spread informs. they try t push it off and they get it from people who are on the platf who feel that changi th's difficult f this is nothing new. this has been going on since the revolu the russians now are using the techno to their advantage. >> the technology is new, ight? fairly new.it possible for them to ampify their message that much more. >> in the 60s and the 70s, they

funded a lot of leftist activist g tups rye noy are funding right wing activist groups because as kard earlier, their goal is not necessarily to pick one side or the other, but to sew w divihin democratic societ bolster. russia is a third world economy with a first world military. this is what they a helped years and will continue to do we have to call them out on it. >> the areeingeactive instea of proactive. they spent $11,000 on ads in the past year putting thi in fronte of peond they are now having it and taking tem down. how ma more are like that? >> it's impossible to know. >>they will go for something else. they haven't figured it out. >> whaare is the incentive for facebo how mu motivation to change? we saw that market crash that happen recently and lost $120 billio in value in one day.

most valuable company.he fifth >> now it's worth a trillion. >> apple is worth a trillion. have these companies like apple, google facebook become so big and powerful that you can't really hold them accountable? >>. facebook got held un ac they lost $120 billion. they w held accountable financ they have to be held accountable by government and see regulation come through. they are not going to regulate themse they will figure it out and regula themselves. they are hiring 20,000 people har security on t platform. that's hurting their profit margin will hurt them financ >> her something important. standa oil was chuntle until congress got if in. the railroads were untouchable until congress got sn't i flew in this morning from washin we met with two

senato the attitude with regard these larger tech mpan not what it once was. the fear is not there. they are watchg what's happen europe and if they don't the problems, i can guaran congress and the regula are going to do someth >> does congress have the know how or does anybody know how to deal with them? >> when zuckerberg smoke before re do they understand the issues enough to regulate them? even people who do understand the issues can't come up with good regulations t going to stop them from do they understand them well enough they understand the law better than peopleilnon valley lookin for ways to keep it from happen something do they unders tech well enough? >> sadly, i don't thinke unders the issues well enough to regulate. it can be from the environment to technology to etc. whethe they do or don't, they l

i thank time is coming. >> i'm gla you brought up the enviro that provid a great segue to auto emissions. heavil criticized the trump administration's position on this to rollck vehicle emissi standards. else is this playing ou politi in california and other >> thi a throw down between califo and the trump admini ou have jerry brown and arnold schwarzeneg calling this a stupid policy and automa and environmentalists questi the effect it's going to have on consumers and on the environment. you have a problem. talking about roll adopte in the obama admini and talked abou upping the fuel efficiency on ahe vehicles aost doubling down and you talk about doing

away wi california's ability da their own rules. it dates back to the reagan admini govern reagan. >> you are suggesting it could resu in a patch work of differ regulations around the countr automa are worried about this and consumers are worried, too. >> with the trump administration, th they arestatin the classic state right argume califo is sobig, what califo does as far as a regula w perspectivp the entire country. you ha two competing interests that areard to warp and disrup the economy. califo has telir own f standa and low-carb on emissi should that be the standard for the rest of the country? maybe yes and maybe no. should one state dictate and warp from an economic perspe you ca put the policies all

acrossboard. you ha to decide what is in the national interests that now you get a small state like nebras and california dictates someth they can't aord and don't need. there a public policy debate and saw governor schwarzenegger's comments that should investigate and examin what's the right role for the federa government a state. >> let's talk about something else attracting a lot of attt in california democr socialists,lexandia ocasio with two sold out fund-r she defeated her indum bent, joe crowle she is old. >> this is something toch wa i was at that mission district fund-raiser and it the gills with excited millen voters. 28 yea old, she was a barten last year. she got up in front of this

group and really electrified them and delivered a message democr are looking for. we need toe communicith workin class people. she didn't mention trump once. uhe talked a getting nonvot back into the mix. the problem fo the democrats is that socialist label. is that their own party orare they part of the mainstream and if so, the republicans use that label to painthe democratic party as extremists in the coming election. >> and they decided on the net bunch onference where a of democratic activists gotting to and they are going hard left a said we are going do what we are going to do. nancy posi beamned and the democr establishment be damned the last six primaries that happen for republicans, almostll he republican establ have gone down. you ha these activists outside the business types. thea demo are going left and

the republicans are being disrup where that ends up favors the democr going the selection. there a lot of motivation. >> you saw that this she sold out her fund-raisers the excitement and the energy, ifhe can energize the young voters that's a good thing for the democratic party. >> the designation by 7 percen points favoring the democr that means probably if the trends continue, the republicans lose minimum 25 seats and upward of 52 seats. it's a problem. >> a full week of lots iofues to discuss. thanks all of you. we will leave it there. shawn walsh and senior writer karla and bureau chief jeremy owens. a pleasure to have you. >> thank you very much. >> to immigration now, president trump threatened to st the govern down if democrats don't approve funding for the

wallalong theus-mexico border. 30-foo prototypes have been built and tested. we will he fm a u.s. customs and patrol agent about whether the current system is working and we will see the prototypes up close. julie small report diego. >> here we have the ypprot. four concrete and four alternate materi this i solid concrete and you can see hon thick it is o the bottom probabhree feet of solid thick concrete. 30 feet tall and the bottom is about two fthet ick. this w poured in place. they d gon at least six feet.i ths i probably the first 10 or 12 feetnd has an anti-climbin plate in the middle about four feet. next one has a littlei more o esthetic feature and

a stamped concrete look and an anti-c fence that is angled towards the southside. not a lot of people are going to climb this. people will still climb it, but it wil take more time and that's a benefit for us. >> they say the wall is actually two fences stretching for only 14 miles. they w 90s and cucan be through or climbed over in a matter of seconds. >> when this was built, it was effe because it would stop people take them longer to ump up and over. they cant through and cut this in about 30 or 45 seconds with the tools available. atter operated saws and that's why it's time to replace this with something like the protot we saw earlier. >> rough 2,000ke agents li this patrol the california

border for smugglers at por between tijuan and din o. >> it's the busiest land port in the world. they deal with 100,000 people a day. as you can see behind me, they are going with a huge expansion, increasing the number of vehicle lanes pedestrianlanes. >> the constructio going on on the southside. we had imposters, aliens coming across and they dress like constr workers and a numb agents close to keep an eye on that. >> thi agent joined the u.s. custom and border protectiongh years ago and he was drawn to the job by a personal connec >> mywi 's grandfather was a retire agent. when met her, he wored out of the el cajon station and hearing his stories like the camaraderie betwee agents, they bragged about him and how good he was. as farcutting, a that large our job.

follow footprints. tracki trackipeople, tracking footpr or disturbs in the ground whethe it's the imprint of the shoe or now they use carpet square a type of booty. ei want to b like that one day. the first group of illegal alens tracking themfrom the border for a couple of hours and make that apehension the first time it was like nothing else i ever felt. that puts a ymile onr face and made you proud like you are making a difference. making apprehensions at the check point and rescuing people stuffe trunks pleading for water. that's gratifying as well. you don't know how would make it if they got past you. >> so far the border patrol appreh 28,000 people, up nearly 10% from 2017. the trump administration zero tolera led to the

widely criticized separation of thousa of migrantchildren. the policy since ended. >> sometimes you have toap eh family, little childr how do yo handle that? is it difficult? >> not necessarily. it's a part of the job. you kind of have to understand where are coming from they a trying to better them they have the respon to enter legally. whethe that's difficult or not feasib my job is to stop the illegal entrie that's what i do. a wanteher can be crimin or have a bad rap sheet. you can't ge complacent and comfor but you feel for them. there right way to enter and wrong way. >> our tour along the border ended the last parts of the fence into the pacific ocean. we stood near friendship circle where for a few hours on th weeken visitors on either side

of the border can speak through a metal fence. the fight er immigration in the u.s. is testing the bonds of friend with mexico like never before. increasing scrutinr of bor polici and the people who have to enforce them. >> there are more eyestn them thamedia. we can handle that, but on the field, i think the gals and girls in green adapted well ann n to do their job. >> even if a new border wall eventu gets fund and built, ite remains to be if a barrier, no matter it stop people daring or desperate enough to cross the border. >> that was kqed immigration report julie small. that will do it for us. you ca find more coverage at kqed.org/newsroom. thank

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