hello, everyone and welcome to our new sure. aman pour and company. and here is what is coming up. my exclusive interview with nancy pelosi, the most powerful woman ever elected in america. she tells me she is staying as long as trump is president. also, ahead, oscar nominated ethan hawke losing himself in a performance. >> it was the first day i ever acted. >> and introducing four new colleagues to the show. how this diverse talented group of story tellers will help us to navigate our rapidly changing

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i am christiane amanpour. as a sense of crisis engulfs the white house, democrats are feeling this may be their chance to retake the house of representatives. which means that republicans and president trump could soon face their worst nightmare. nancy pelosi with subpoena power. which she was speaker of the house, she was third in line to the presidency. she was one of the most effective speakers ever passing landmark legislation on health care, and wall street reform among so many other issues and that through a deeply divided congress. the right has spent hundreds of millions of dollars painting her as a radical and rogue liberal. now, after decades on top, young activists are urging her to pass on the mantle of her own party. she tells me she is not going anywhere just as she appears on

the front cover of "time" magazine for the first time. i started by asking her the million dollar question. welcome to the program. first and foremost, let me ask what everybody is asking. who could and how could anyone dare to write such a broad. >> the party of lincoln cannot survive as the party of trump. his behavior, his dysfunction his jeopardizing our national security. and how we have abandoned our allies. his abandoning not only national security but fiscal security in terms of running up the national debt and the tone on how he

acts. we hear this from republicans all over and i guess in the white house, somebody, i can't know, we don't know who, but maybe we will soon, just decided that for the good of the country, people had to have comfort to know there was a check on him in the white house. >> what does it really mean? the debate of this op-ed in the "new york times" going public from within from inside has sparked a whole lot of criticism in fact even from people who oppose the president. they say he or she, the writer is subverting the constitution. there are constitutional process if you have this kind of problem with the person you serve. you can go to congress. you can set in motion all sorts of procedures. where do you come down on that? >> i don't think that any individual in the white house writing anonymous op-ed is subverting the constitution. the president may be, because

the system of the checks and balances which is the brilliance of our constitution is not respected by the president. hard to think that he respects the first branch of government, article one, the legislative branch. i don't think he respects the executive branch that much in terms of his behavior, so taking the place where the president said this is treason and they are subverting, no, it isn't so. it is the question of the suitability of this president to be president. we have worked with him to try to get results to the american people. to the extent that people with him are menaced by him. the republicans in congress have had nothing to say about this. >> you just talked about the coequal branch of government, the congress as a coequal branch of government. and i wonder what your

commentary is on the current speaker, the outgoing speaker, paul ryan who is not going to seek re-election and the republican establishment. than about the presidency or indeed the country or the party. >> i would make a distinction between the republicans in congress, they have been completely delinquent in duties in terms of oversight of this administration in so many ways. they have tolerated and participated in a system of corruption, cronyism. and the president hijacked the title and betrayed the mission and it is worse now because of so many corruption and conflicts of interest within the executive branch. i would make a distinction between the republicans in congress, because they have been

enablers of all of this. and the established republicans who i think see and, because they do -- and they cannot survive as the party of country. >> you say they hope for a different outcome. i wonder if that includes losing the house of representative, do you belief the democrats will take back the house in the mid-term election. >> i do. we have nine tuesdays to go until the election. and if it was held today, we would win overwhelmingly, and women would lead the way. women marched and then they ran and now they are running and now they are going to be members of congress. we are excited about that. and that will lead the way to our victory. i think that there are republicans out there who i'm not saying they support us, but i am saying they are not going to fight us.

>> when you say if it was held today, it is said that the democrats need to win 23 republican house seats in order to flip the house to your control. do you think that is a certainty? >> absolutely. but again, these are all close waves. it is all very close. so it won't be a big margin. it will be small margins in many races that produce the victory. >> i want to mention, what i already mentioned, for the first time, you were on a cover of a national, and international news magazine. even when you shattered what they call the marble ceiling here by becoming the first female speaker, so how they didn't think that was worthy enough to be on "time" magazine. how do you feel seeing this

cover. >> at the time it was surprising. because the person who was to become speaker was on the cover. it was john boehner. i don't think too much about it. i think that other women did. and it is long overdo. i thought maybe when they passed the affordable care act, that might get their attention. but it didn't. but anyway, it is here now and that's nice. but i think a lot of women are thinking why now. why did it take so long. you to have ask them. >> i want to ask you, frankly, i want to read to you what time has written about your record. you are one of the most

consequential political of your. universal access to health care coverage to saving the u.s. economy to collapse to reforming wall street. republican success has thrown her skills into sharp relief. i am saying that not just to complement you and puff you up. >> that's okay. >> that's okay too? but to remind that you are not just a trail blazing woman. that in fact for the democratic party and for the country, you have achieved incredible things. and for that, it appears your thank you is being challenged not just from the republicans as they always do use you as the boogey man, but from your own party. you are challenged by younger generations saying it is time for new blood, new leadership. we don't necessarily want nancy pelosi as the next speaker.

>> i do believe it is time for new blood. we didn't know who would come forward, but that is up to the caucus. they give me the honor of serving and up to them who serves next. but to have no woman at the table, and to have affordable care act at risk, as long as he is here, i am here. so 45. not just to be disrespectable. >> president trump, 45. >> yeah, but there was one election for leadership that i was not opposed in. so people like to get started on what they think comes next. and that's up to the caucus to decide. but i feel comfortable about the support that i have in the caucus and that i will be the speaker of the house. >> so you definitely think you

will win. >> it is important for women to see as well because you can't run away from a fight. you are in the arena. when people come forward and say, well, we should have somebody new. okay. you are in the arena. and when the republicans have a poverty of ideas that the only thing they can put in their ads is that i am a san francisco liberal who supports lgbtq rights, i don't mind taking the heat. but i want women to know that this isn't easy. power is never given away and it always has to be fought for and this is again, a constitutional office and i feel confident about the support of my colleagues as well as the fact that we will win the election. >> first and foremost, people are wondering whether this will be, i think you said early on, the beginning of the end. if you win back the house, does this put this president and this administration in the hot seat

in terms of accountability. you on the other hand has never talked up the idea of impeachment. you didn't want to do it for george w. bush, and you don't particularly want to do it now if i am reading you correctly. >> i don't think impeachment should be engaged in for political reason, but i don't think it should be avoided for political reasons. in other words, if the facts are there, it takes us to our place. impeachment is a divisive approach. if the president has broken the law, he is not above the law. but that remains to be seen. what we are about in our campaign, is we are for the people, for lower health care cost, lowering prescription drug prices. raising paychecks. lowering health care cost and increasing paychecks and for cleaning up government to make sure people understand that the

people's interest not the special interest are served here in the united states capital. and we intend to do, to give us chance. gun legislation, and protect our dreamers. you can't ask the republicans do something and not do it yourself when you have power. >> many people wonder whether the democratic led committee on the house. >> well in both cases what we would affirmatively do in terms of legislation, we have established our for the people, lower health care cost, bigger paychecks, cleaner government. and we are asking, i am asking with no presumption, no measuring for drapes, i see too many around here anyway, but

just to be ready. we have a responsibility to be ready. so i have tasked the soon to be chairman, our top democrats on the committee to work with the committees for top priorities for us to consider. in the same vane, with the oversight. we are doing this in a serious responsible way to say, we want to seek the truth. the truth about intervention in our election undermines the sacred right for people to vote, oversight over the air our children breathe and this or that. and the list goes on. direct shot to get the job done it is all about seeking the truth. where that takes us with the president and his performance remains to be seen. >> even the people who criticize the president from within, say

we or not the left wing opposition. we believe in much of his agenda. the tax reform stimulus. the deregulation, the strengthening of the military. you know, the economy seems to be working for the president. he could translate that into votes. >> let me show, what i would characterize your description of hiss accomplishments differently. i would say the tax bill, it is not a stimulus, it is a tax scam that adds $2 trillion to the tax debt. giving the benefits to the top 1%. giving a tax break to corporations to better tax breaks to create jobs overseas than here. on the second point in terms of -- >> deregulation. >> deregulation. they are removing protections, protections for clean air.

clean air our children breathe, clean water, food safety. taken down protections that were even part of the nixon administration. they are trying to undermine our leadership in california for protecting the california that even president reagan supported. so it is, they are going to an extreme place calling it deregulation. it is acting on behalf of their donors at the expect of our children and their future. so i don't see, their tax bill is not picking up. if it were a big political issue, they would stop doing their ads about me, and do it about their tax bills. now it is not working for them because people see it is not working. in terms of jobs and the low unemployment rates, people don't want to be told all of the

indicators are great therefore your life must be great. people need bigger paychecks and bigger purchasing power. and they are not getting it from that bill. when you talk about the economy, you have to talk about many more people participating in the prosperity of our country. and crucial issues to people's own financial security is the health issue. it is the health issue and finance issue. and lowering the price of prescription drugs is central to their well-being. >> i guess that brings us to brett kavanaugh and the hearings and being president trump second nomination. >> election years have ramifications. >> and there are those that believe the affordable care act

could be history, state by state. and also that roe versus wade, the rights of women could be state by state abolished. is that overfear or do you think there is the political climate in this country to do something as radical as dismiss universal health care and dismiss women's rights. >> dismissing roe involvemev wa about contraception. i am italian-american catholic, five children in six years, joy in our lives. but that isn't the path for everyone. and it isn't up to politicians or judges in the court to determine how women and families make those decisions. so i am very protective of a woman's right to choose.

and it is very much at risk and improbable to exaggerate. the president, one of the ways he got the nomination is to agree to a list of judges from those who are opposed to roe v. wade, and lgbtq, it goes together. the president has said it is a done deed. row v. wade is gone. everyone who cares about that should be concerned about the nominee kavanaugh, he has even been, i don't know, ambiguous about contraception and of course access to quality health care is at risk. republicans are taking to court the benefit of pre existing conditions. 125, 130 million families have a pre existing condition. a child with asthma, name

anything as a pre existing condition and had to give insurance affordable and insurance to families. this administration and the republican attorney generals across the country are taking it to court. imagine to take away access because of a pre existing condition that affects 130 million people. >> do they dare to do it? >> it is who they are. they do not believe in a public role in terms of affordable health care. they slashed $1.4 million of medicaid in the president's budget to cover the tax cuts for

the rich. >> do you, i mean, at the hearings, very contentiously cory booker, released c confidential. >> i am not sure that senator booker broke the laws. the night before they said television okay to go with it. the republicans are departing from any sense of decency and responsibility of the american people by saying we do not want to see all of these documents that will tell us something. if there is nothing to hide, release the documents. why are they protective of hiding those documents. and that is the violation of the regular order that we should be

paying attention to. but i do not -- i think in these hearings, the nominee, kavanaugh has not come off well at all. i mean, he responds, but he doesn't answer. and he is i think, i have no assurance that he has any faith to establish law stare decisis. and both the affordable care act and roe v wade is there. as equally important to that, this nominee is there to protect this president. he has clearly sense the president should not be challenged even though he was vile in his challenge to president clinton. you may want to read his memos on that subject. and now the president is above the law. we shouldn't bother him with this. he is a busy man.

i think that under mines the rule of law that no one is above the law. if the court is going to say the president should not answer for his behavior. >> from where i sit and from where many people sit, it is hard to know how this country can come back together and heal. so much poison. >> it can. >> you are optimistic that it can. why do you think that your party as we have seen in these elections right now is moving further and further to the left, further and further to the p populist end to the popular agenda. >> i don't accept that characterization with all do respect. >> in new york, massachusetts. >> district like mine, new york, district like mine. but across the country, i think you see something different. i think you see, and respectful of those results who was

elected, the job title, i tell the candidates, your job title and description are one of the same, representative. and the candidates who are running in the other districts will be representative of their district. creative tension, we have always had that. and that is part of the din rub stamp. >> whether it is in florida for governor, the democratic candidate who touted herself as someone who could work across the aisle didn't win. two people on the polls of their party who won both democrat and republican. >> i don't think it is on the polls. i can't speak for the republicans that may be. i don't think we have seen the

polls of the republican party, but in terms of the democrats, the one thing that brings us together in the congress and in the country as democrats is our commitment to america's working family and finding solutions. to again, lower the health care cost and increase their paycheck and have them have faith in government. and that is across the board message. >> you are not worried about a tea party insurgency in your party. >> not at all. i am a san francisco liberal. you try to find common ground and when you can't, you stand your ground. there is some places you won't find common ground. you will never come to agreement on a woman's right to choose. you either support it or you

don't. many other areas where you can find it. you have to bring a level of humility to the table. you have to listen to hear other people's point of view. when i send representatives to the budget table, be agnostic to where it springs from. you know in our party. grows the economy to create good paying jobs and reduce the national debt, we don't care if it is right, left, center or wherever it comes from. there is reason to be hopeful. >> everybody is talking about this wave being the unprecedented female wave. the last similar but smaller was in 1992 and that came after the famous famous anita hill hearing. how do you translate what is coming right now. the record number of women particularly in your party.

what do you attribute it to? >> i believe this is a transformative time. women have seen how policy affects their lives. women marched it wasn't anything organized by us. it was organic, spontaneous and turned out in such wonderful numbers all over the world to say, we want to have a voice in our future. martin luther king said the ballot, legislation, your life. and people saw the difference, the connection. and the second march, people saw the connection and said about their issues their values, their ethics and the vote. connecting it to the vote and you have to run. you have to get in the arena. it is tough. people who are a bigger target than i am. but it is worth it. women have seen that.

and some we recruited and encouraged to say here is a way you can do this. and others self recruited. it is about women, whether they are young women coming out of college, coming out of the military, women like me coming out of the kitchen to the congress. from housewife to house speaker, anything is possible. but nothing is more wholesome for america, for our system of government and politics than the increases participation of women in our leadership and our participation, in our government. and i honestly believe if we decrease the role of money and politics and increase the level of civility, we will have many more women who will go forward and enter the arena, win the fight and make a difference and it will all happen in the congress where we will observe the 100th anniversary of women having the rights to vote.

they weren't given, they fought, they marched, they left home. they did everything to get the right to vote with such courage. we have to honor that sacrifice as we continue to expand the opportunity for women. when woman succeed, america succeeds. on that note. thank you very much. tune in later for another powerful woman in washington. kellyanne conway. now to a different stage, and a different drama. with my next guest. the four time actor nominated ethan hawke. from sweeping romanss like "before sunrises," to unique projects. now, sitting behind the camera has director of the country star

bio pick blaze, ethan hawke joined me in the studio to discuss this new phase of his career. and why he wished he would have been more nervous and anxious to this. >> you decided and you got this film "blaze" out. >> i have done it before, i am just really proud of this one. >> it is a buy -- biopic. >> i think part of my idea was i love music movies, but everyone you have ever seen is about a musician who is wildly famous and becomes about the trials of fame. that is what the subject of it

is. and every musician i have met, most of them are met with absolute indifference like most of the actors i have met and the directors i met and i thought "blaze" story is beautiful and a better lens into insight into an artistic life. >> we are going to play a clip and talk about what you said to. let's listen. >> so you are going to be a big country star like roger miller? no? >> i don't want to be a star. i want to be a legend. >> what's the difference? >> well, stars burn out because

they shine for themselves. look at me shine. look at me go. i'm amazing. a legend lasts forever. >> so you said it. it is quite a profound take on the notion of success. because it doesn't follow the normal beginning, middle and the end. what made you want to explore that notion. in other words, you yourself have not gone the blockbuster hollywood route deliberately. you have returned to indie and art house. >> there is a great tolstoy quote. one needs to be successful. i don't necessarily by into that. a lot of people in the arts can have an allergy towards the necessary falseness it takes to being out here and selling

yourself. >> you have that allergy? >> look, i'm on tv right now, so i am aware of the allergy, and some people, you can call that struggle for authenticity or struggle for self sabotage. sometimes it is okay to sell your art. and so it is a razer's edge, an intelligence person tries to walk. >> it is sweet. a relationship between blaze and his girlfriend exactly, it is remarkable. obviously it ends tragically with a shooting but it has so much heart. >> it aspires to have soul and blood and sweat and sex and death and all of the things that make life feel alive. and for me, him, blaze is shot dead in the street in 1989. and that is a sad tragedy. but the reason to make the movie is he fell in love in a tree house. and a lot of the music erupted

out of that love affair and living in the woods with the squirrels and shopping carrots and kissing. >> and wish it would never end actually. and again, you touched on the subject of success and what it means to various people. you have called success kind of a sort of formaldehyde. me in school, in biology lesson, formaldehyde preserves. >> keeps you stagnant. to be alive, you have got to change. as soon as people tell you you are fabulous, you better not grow, because you will screw it up. you often see people, whenever they experience success. i have been watching this since i was a little kid. and i wanted to stay alive. a lot of people who started acting when i did, they lose their way and a lot of it is

because if you get too much attention or told you are special and you believe it, and for a second you forget that everyone is special which is easy to do when you are 23, 24, 25. but you got to grow, you got to change. >> and take risks and do different things. can i play a clip from "dead poet's society." >> a sweaty tooth madman. there, close your eyes. close them. now, describe what you see. >> i closed my eyes. >> yes. >> and this image floats beside me. >> the sweaty tooth madman with the spare that pounds my brain. >> make him do something. >> his hands reach out and choke

me. >> what is he mumbling? >> truth like a blanket that always lets your feet clothe. >> forget them. tell me about the blanket. >> you push it, it will never be enough. you kick at it and beat it. to the moment we leave dying, it covers your face as you wail and cry and scream. >> all these years later, what does it mean to you, it was your break through obviously. >> it was. it was the first day i ever acted. i mean, i acted before, but i hadn't lost myself in a performance. and it is an amazing feeling. you know, people love to make acting about oh, isn't she special. isn't he beautiful. isn't he wonderful. you see them on an award show. it seems like it is a celebration of self. but acting at its best, the flame most of us are chasing who is doing it is losing yourself. feeling connection and realizing that your life is not so unique,

you share the most intimate feeling with other people and i had it with robin. it is not a joke. you asked me about formaldehyde. and these things become cute expressions on tv, but it is life and death. you know, robin is not alive. >> i can see you getting emotional. i can see your eyes. we are all shocked that he is not alive anymore. we are shocked that our friend anthony bourdain is not alive any more. these geniuses who for somehow whatever reason can't finish the whole road. >> life is hard. and it is supposed to be hard. and everybody wants it not to be hard. they want it to be easier, about making money or something you can graph. they dwooon't want it to be a

shared inner journey. it is mysterious. but the truth about from my experience about life is so much more mysterious than anybody wants it to be. and that's very hard to let go of and when we see people who have everything we want be so sad, it is very confusing. >> it is, actually, very, very confusing. and i think you hit the nail on the head there. to us, it looks like they have everything that they want or that we expect them to want. >> and now that we are talking about it, that's why the arts are valuable to me. represent our mental health as a culture and how the freedom of expression, and it is very strange how in our current environment, how little i see the arts respected. >> you indicated you still get a sense of anxiety from the

so-called free lance nature of this business, this stage fright. i am interested about that. why? >> well, the answer i guess is that i don't think most people are nervous enough. this is one life. and there is a lot to be nervous about. a lot to put thought into. and something to be said about confidence. confidence is a wonderful thing. and it is very fragile for most of us, and you need to preserve it and take care of it and all of that stuff. but you can make a case to be made that anxiety can sharpen our sword. i remember when i was 21, i was making my broadway debut. true story. i remember walking on stage. it was dark. and i am not nervous at all. completely confident.

well i should have been nervous. and it has taken me 30 years that there is a lot to be nervous about. and nothing to fear. >> ethan hawke, thank you very much. what i love about hosting this program is what you have seen so far. the opportunity to pivot from talking to nancy pelosi, to digging into film making with ethan hawke. challenged by the range of stories that i can share with you. beginning today, we can expand our reach further into politics, the arts and further. i am thrilled to welcome four new contributors to the show. so let me start with walter isaacson, he is a history professor and most recently

author of leonardo davinci. and alicia men mendez. and harri sreenivasan. and michel martin. and welcome to all of you. we are a team. and we are so excited to be expanding this version of this program. and i just wondered and let me start with you michel. what does this mean to you. what makes you hopefully excited about being in this program. >> you stole my thunder. we are all exited -- excited to be working with you. i think we see with the success of podcasts that people are eager to have a conversation that isn't over in four minutes.

what you can actually dig into nuance and dig into a place that people don't have time to talk about. >> you are right about the podcasts and you do host a podcast as i said. people seem really thirsty, drinking up to slate their thirst on trying, trying to make sense of what i think anyway a massively complicated up ended world by now. >> people look at the news and think what does it mean, what does it mean for me and my children. how can the sitting in front of me give me a window into a world. michel that says this a lot. one of the luxuries that we have is to interview people and see them in their totality and bring that to the audience. >> we are in a medium whether it

is radio and television, quick, quick, sound bites. get the interview done in three minutes. walter, you used to be my boss. and you presided over that rapid fire >> at this particular time, it is important to pause for a second and go little bit deeper and figure out the background. and there is so many places nowadays where people are chasing the latest tweet and trying to get a talking point comment. if we can get people discussing ideas, i think we will satisfy as was said, a real hunger that is happening in this nation, wait a minute, we're exhausted by this shallowness and this

discord that we have. >> discord, you hit the nail on the head. discord is coming at us at warp speed. corners of organized opposition to just about anything wherever we look. you are a specialist and tech, and technology and we are seeing tech under the microscope right now. for good and often bad reasons. what do you want to bring to the conversation. >> a lack of understanding how technology is. when you think about this on a global scale when facebook becomes the only way that a bulk of an entire country like the philippines gets their internet. they have an enormous am of power. when you start to look at this globally, it is big forces here.

so how do we make sure that as we embrace these new technologies and help our lives, that there is a level of responsibility and accountability that goes with that. >> not to put too fine a point on it, but we have gathered an important diverse group of all of us. we represent different ages, different experiences and different ethnicities and specialties and expertise. in a divisive me, and them, and left and right, black and white, gay and straight environment. there seems to be so much division. this is healthy, this table. and it is not the table you see at your average dinner party. >> in our diversity is the strength of the country. and we have forgotten that.

and that is what causes creativity to happen. and the ability to have civil discourse with a group of people. so i congratulate on you putting together this show. >> the fact that we are standing up for civil discourse and classic principles. we share common ideals and one is the truth does matter, civil discourse matters. it is a value that endorse. and most people agree with that. and this will be an opportunity to show that it still matters. >> which leads me perfectly into us getting little excerpts have wh of what you are going to show us. some of the interviews, you spoken to r.j. young. he has written a book called

"let it bang." an odyssey into guns. i want to play a clip. >> african american women in particular and african americans broadly are showing a greater interest in fire arms why is that? >> fear. fear. black women, black men are more afraid. say then they were three years ago. not because of who the president is, but because they are being accosted more often with hate speech, with rhetoric that puts them in a state of fear and when we are afraid, we usually take steps to make sure that we know longer feel afraid. and for many black folks, that means i need a gun. >> that is really dramatic, fear, and i need a gun.

especially since it is so counter intuitive because we are in this post parkland, or no guns or attempt to rollback guns. >> this is one of the things that i loved about this story. i told a couple of people when i was interviewing this young man, they didn't believe me. they thought it was a made up story. well, what do you mean? like a gang banger? >> no, a young man who fell in love with a girl he is african american and she was white and her family is interested in guns so he decided because he loved this girl. classic story that he was going to be interested in what her family was interested in as a way to get closer to her and this is her story. >> really fascinating. walter, you are the author of brilliant and best selling books on amazing individual and landscape. you have done steve jobs and a

host of other people. i am going to throw to an excerpt th excerpt that you are doing soon. and he has a fairly unusual way of inspiring young talent. let's play it. >> you have said that categorizing yourself is a terrible mistake. explain what you meant by that. >> everybody was asked to identify as it were their craft, now h you know, dancers and actors and musicians. and i thought wait, who is a dancing musicians. who is an actor who is musical. the idea of division to me is limiting in a way that we can all have more and as a dancer, obviously we relate to music.

but why don't we take ownership of that and expand our vision of what that means. >> fascinating. >> you know, every biography i have written, the creativity comes from the people who cross different disciplines. whether it is leonardo davinci, or steve obs. of course ben franklin. and so i love people who cross different silos and with the dami damian wetsel, here is someone who studied chinese, and dance. and focuses in on becoming a great dancer. but now a head of jewel yauilli. he can combine many different things. >> you talk about mixing disciplines.

hari, we are going to play a clip with your interview, and i know him as mr. serena williams. let's play a clip. >> i remember reading about the enlightenment. and when i was studying it in history, i assumed there was this enlightenment. and after that, cool, rational thought. great, world is fixed. it is ton. and this is surfacing now, this reality that no, actually, there are a lot of people who sort of missed or even today don't care. and would rather see things that reinforce their world, would rather see things that reinforce their world view than challenge it with data. how are flat earthers coming back. we can go into space now. >> it is shocking that not only just a flat earth theory, but so

many of these conspiracy theories has room to run. there are these echo chambers that get to be reinforced. and here is a different idea, different kind of person. >> alicia, you have, well, we have a clip from one of your interviews coming up. a young writer, a young black man from a traditional religious man in texas, and he writes about love, and race and family and sex. he put his faith in. >> did you hope you would change? >> yes. thankfully, my parents didn't pick up on it that much. they didn't want to send me to some camp. but nothing that crazy.

but no, when you grow up you can either die or go to hell, and this time, pedro zammora, died of aids. men on film. men who are overly feminine and just mocked. so you die, you go to hell and you are shamed. >> i love him. it was an incredible book. so what i loved about this story and conversation is so often when we hear coming out stories, they tend to happen on one side of polarity. their mom is twerking with them as they are coming out. for michael, the truth is complicated. neither been fully accepted or fully rejected.

so to live in that limbo is tricky. and i loved it. >> it is interesting. and with those nuggets and with our conversation, i hope we get a good taste of what is coming up. and why i am excited about this. and i think it is going to be fun going forward and you can teach me and our global audience and our american audience so much about so many of the things. we don't often get time to think about. michel, harri, alicia and walter. thank you so much. that's it for tonight. thanks for watching. and join us tonight next time. for some of you, the second hour of our launched special airs right after this.

♪ welcome to stockholm, sweden. my name is johan norberg. and this is where i was born and raised. ♪ these are friends of mine and we're going to watch a big game between two stockholm teams, so it should be a good one. and it might get a little crazy in there. yah, it's going to be a lot of crazy. look at this excitement over a football game, or soccer, as it's called in america. i'm not sure if this is how americans typically picture us. it's easy to have misperceptions about a country.