"amanpour and company." here is what is coming up. the torrent of accusations against the catholic church keeps coming. i speak with one of america's most powerful catholic leaders cardinal timothy dolan of new york. super chef jose andres. also from the nfl to the mit,

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by contributions to your pbs station by viewers like you. >> welcome to the program, i am christiane amanpour in new york. pope francis brought great hope to catholics everywhere. shining a bright light. the sins that lurk in the shadows of the catholic church seem to be threatening his very own papacy. this germany today, details show 3,700 sexual abuse cases last month, reported implicated hundreds of priest. and we have seen the same allegations in chiles ireland, the netherlands, the philippine examines more. we need to be mindful of what it

means to be a survivor of sexual abuse in the catholic abuse. >> as absolutely destroyed me. >> my children suffered. my wife suffered. >> my dad find out, but he went crazy. >> i was very unaffectionate. i couldn't show any affection with my wife. >> i had no desire to have children, none because of this. >> heart rendering testimony. and the pope has summoned bishops from around the world. but amidst the torrent of fresh allegations. a cnn poll shows his overall

ratings down from 66% to 48% now. among american catholics dropped from 83% to 63%. card nol timothy dolan is joining me now. thank you for being with me. >> i am the one who is grateful. congratulations on the new program. it is a particular joy this week. >> i hope it is, because we need answers to you. >> i hope i can give some. >> incredibly important to have somebody of your stature here to deal with these allegations. i saw you listening to that testimony and you looked pretty broken up yourself. what do you think when you hear these now elderly people who have absorbed all this pain for so long with impunity in your church. >> thanks for asking. and you know what, i hate to

say, this it is not new to me. i had to listen to people face to face. and it is heart wrenching. this summer has been anything but a church picnic for us. it has been a disaster. i hear them. you just ask me my sentiments and i say to them, thanks for telling me, nice to meet you, i'm feeling the same way. because i get angry as well. that priests can do this. that brother bishops could be so negligent and not respond properly. that people are suffering and most of all these victims are. even those that may have come forward decades ago, maybe things have just begun to heal and now they are hearing this

again. the mccarrick affair, the pennsylvania grand jury nauseating reports. >> i really want to know how you and the church leaders are going to get over it, you saw the effect on the popularity of the church and the pope here i am ei am a catholic. they know i have a son that is a priest. when you have your own mom say that. >> precisely. this has been a terrible, terrible summer for the catholic church here in the united states. the pennsylvania grand jury and attorney general came out with

this report. hundreds of people, hundreds of -- let us play a clip from august 14 when the attorney general addressed this issue. >> one boy was stforced to stan naked. and they took photos of their victims adding them to child pornography which they produced and aired on church grounds. describing the abuse as horse play, wrestling and inappropriate contact. it was none of those things. it was child sexual abuse including rape. committed by grown men. priests against children. above all else, they protected

their institution at all costs. >> so those are serious allegations from an attorney general that the church protected its institution over its own people. and i want to know what you think about this decades long state of impunity that is being abroad in the church. now we are seeing major church leaders having to resign. cardinal mccarrick, cardinal wuerl. do you agree with that? cardinal wuerl is accused of having known about the abuse will meet the pope to offer his resignation. should he be resigning? >> well, i got to be personal. he is a good friend and he is a tremendous leader among the bishops. i hope i doesn't resign. >> really? >> we need him for reform. even not taking away the fact that you just said. i trust him enough that if he thinks that he needs to resign for the good of the church, he

will. and i would respect that decision. >> you say it more in sorrow that in anger. are you not angry that cardinal wuerl kept this under lock and key. >> if i read it right, he had a very good record of being aggressive against abuse. >> he was alleged to have known about the abuse. >> this one case. i am afraid he may be being judged on pre dallas standards. the fact does remain that after the reformed of dallas in 2002, apparently this priest remained. he apologized for that. it does make me anger. >> a report from germany out today, nearly 3,000 abuse cases. 2014, these are not historic. just another report today from another american diocese. it carries on.

so the question here now, you have seen the attorney general came out with the report. now the attorney general of new york, she is calling in all the eight diocese isn't she in the state of new york. >> right. >> what do you expect to be asked and how do you cooperate with a state investigation of this level? >> well we have to cooperate whether we like it or not. i think we kind of like it or not. we told her thanks, come on in. we need this. the disaster of this is such an oil spill that you mentioned beginning with the victims and their families. a big part of the disaster is that our people tell us that it is hard to believe us. it is hard that our trust has been terribly damaged. >> you the leaders. >> yeah. you don't think it sends a chill up and down. if i don't have the trust of my people, i have nothing.

the church is based on trust not coercion. so that bothers me. one of the ways we might get it back is ask outside for help. we wrote, come on in, how can we help. go ahead. one thing is we have good tradition, very good tradition of cooperating. since 2002, i keep bringing that date up because that is when the bishops, i would like to propose began to get their act together and did good things. we have been cooperating with the districts attorney, there are ten of them here. we have a good tract record of working with them and providing any documents. any time we got an accusation, since 2002, the second person that knows it after us is the da. here, this is for you.

>> cardinal wuerl may offer his resignation, in delayed honor. you seem sorry for that. >> i am sorry that we will be missing some of his good leadership. >> but not his bad leadership. >> am i sorry that he has owned up and expressed apology, and do i share a sense of shame over that, you bet. >> many people, the cardinal archbishop vigano letter was a shock. he alleges the pope was alleged of the sexual abuse as early as 2013. and a dozen american archbishops say this is credible. you at one point did as well. you know the information that comes through there and what

access he might have had of information. do you think, do you believe that pope francis is part of a cover up as alleged. >> no. but i do think we need to take archbishop vigano's allegation seriously. i trust the pope very much. i think he will say we need to get into the bottom of this. i owe my people an answer to this. and i think we will get it. i trust the pope. >> it is good to hear you say that. >> you are not surprised are you? >> i am surprised by vigano's letter. against god's representative on earth. and you have seen the effect. this can't be good for your

church. >> no. >> let me ask you, there are other issues that cardinal vigano brought up. he basically has said about homosexuality and peedphilia, he blames gay priest. homosexuality current in the church to be outsed. do you believe there is a link between homosexuality and pedophilia. >> this isn't about right or left, this isn't about gay or straight, this is about right and wrong. decent human up right behavior. you don't abuse a minor. i don't care if you have no faith, you know that is vicious. you don't do it.

it is about right and wrong. and until we get back to that virtue and fidelity, we had it. we should be setting the example. >> you are disinclined to believe that. >> i would disagree with conspiracy theory that there is one cause of this. >> what about celibacy, you talked about chastity. now, it is part of the catholic doctrine, but comprehensive studies have found that mandatory celibacy and a culture of secrecy do add to this epidemic in the catholic church. there was a serious report that looked into this that took the issue of chastity or celibacy. all since 1985 and they confirmed that the current

system isn't working of which celibacy is a central plank of men and women in the catholic church. do you think this needs to change now? >> no. i mean i -- >> in the weight of all of this evidence of abuse and evidence of inquiries that say, sorry, this doesn't work anymore. >> if it needs to change, it shouldn't be just because of that reason. there could be other good reasons to talk about a change. and i'm at peace at talking about those. by the way, you don't mind if i clarify something that you said. celibacy of priest is not a doctrine of the church, doctrine means something from god. this is a human tradition pretty long that could change. it is not part of church. doctrine is part of church discipline. so it could change.

everybody, chastity means you follow god's teaching on sexuality. and then you are right because we take a promise not to marry, it means we give up sexual expression. now, i am not familiar with the, i told them not to put this thing in because it keeps falling out. you will let me know if i need it. i didn't mean to get off the topic. >> no worries. >> where were we? oh, here is the deal. if you look at the studies where do most abuse of minors appear? in families by foster fathers and they are not celibate. to jump to the conclusion that sexual abuse is from celibacy, the studies show that most

sexual abusers are married men. it might be too rational to jump to the conclusion. but i would say you have a point. i wouldn't jump to the conclusion that because of this crisis, we ought to call into serious question and rush into a judgment about cherished practice of the church. >> let's say it is a challenge, but peacefully by the catholic church in its need of the church. so there is marriage. in any event, i understand. i don't want to get too stuck on this. but i understand that you suggest that it is discipline and not doctrine and is room for human improvement in this situation. i said in the introduction that an unprecedented meeting of catholic leaders around the world have been called by the

pope in february to precisely discuss this issue. this has been going on, drip, drip, drip, a thousand cuts this death has been going on in your church since 2002-ish. >> in a cascade thanks to boston. >> exactly and what a service they did. what can at this late stage, all of this evidence is there. what can the pope along with you all do to finally correct this in any other organization, people would be fired, heads would roll. bodies are floating down the river. >> one can say that is rather recent, right? >> look how quickly we reacted to it in one year. >> in 2002 when we had 0 tolerance. here is the other thing we have to say, it is not just a problem for the catholic church, it is a

problem in every religion, every society. penn state, the boy scouts. it is doubly tragic because we should be setting a good example. >> i agree with you, it is everywhere. >> you are a major leader in the catholic church and this is about faith, about god, you are meant to be holier than thou. >> it is our problem too as well as everybody else's. but see, the pope is saying, people are saying we aren't doing enough and when he does something, he will say it is too little too late. a big pr stunt. he wants to front burner this issue. when you call bishops from around the world together, you have covered some of these meetings. the pope is saying, i don't want to talk about i'm not going to

talk about holy communion, i want to talk about sexual abuse of minors, i want to front burner this issue. and i want to let people know because they are urging it that we are trying our best to take it seriously. and i am glad he is doing it. >> there is a vatican file on mccarrick. would you support the vatican releasing it. >> i think they are going to have to be extraordinarily up front. >> when i talked to you back in 2012. >> it was 2013. i lost. >> we talked about that. and you told me you would try to get me an interview with the pope. anyway, down the line, maybe at the meeting in february. when you were archbishop in milwaukee, do you regret that?

>> no. first of all, it wasn't my initiative. my finance counsel, all lay people. they said, hey, we are looking at the accounting here. state law says cemetery money cannot be part of archdiocese in money. it has to be segregated. i did it. a judge agreed. and said dolan did the right thing in obeying state law and removing it. i am glad i did. i may have been in trouble had i not. >> it goes to the -- covering up. >> people jump to conclusion, only to protect the institution and there is a lot of that. i think the attorney general in pennsylvania was sadly accurate in that. we can't do that. we are not about an institution. we're about people, victims,

souls. we are about human dignity, not an institution. >> obviously you have other things that you are dealing with. not just this. you have immigration, climate change. >> thanks for getting off the topic. >> not off the topic. i want to know whether all of this crisis impedes you so much. >> thank you. i was talking to ana ahead of time. you know what one of the big heartaches is seeing my people suffering, why are we doing this again. the other thing it does is distracts us from doing what we should be doing. the churches i hope prophetic witness. we are distracted because ten hours a day, usually you would have me on to talk about that. now, rightly, you are asking me about the other thing and it is sort of frustrating because you are thinking my people are saying, why can't we get this

behind us to get to the work of the church. >> it is if the church's hands i humab humbly say. let me ask you because we have a dreadful hurricane barrelling down. yet, we have you know, we have an administration right now in the united states who is full of, let's say skeptics if we don't say outright deniers who are busy rolling back all sorts. is it a christian catholic thing to lobby on behalf of saving our environment? >> i would say it is wider, i would say it is a biblical thing. a biblical revelation. god looked down on what he saw.

and he said it was good. to protect what he put into nature is biblically mandated. when they are stretched to, that we stand up and say, whoa, i don't know if that is the best way to go. and it is not just because i am catholic. i would like to think because we are sensitive thoughtful human beings who don't want to see our planet and our environment tampered with. >> and the other big issue which is about human beings is immigration, migration. i imagine that must have been heart breaking, so many of the children were bus under the cover of night. >> some of the catholic charities were here to greet the sobbing lost kids. >> let me play for you attorney general jeff sessions who actually cited the bible to justify the policy. >> i would cite, to the apostle

pau paul and his wise command romans 13 to ob bay the law of the government. >> yikes. >> the attorney general is good to quote st. paul. i would quote st. paul in saying god's law before man's law. it is god's law that trumps, no pun intended. >> so it was inhumane. >> i think that policy is inhumane. there are things that the trump administration that i would say bravo. there are things that i would say. like their efforts to protect the life of the baby in the womb. i am also going to speak up when it comes to immigration or the

environment, i am going to say whoa be careful about that. we are equal opportunity complainers and look at president obama, we worked with him on many things and we opposed on some things. we are going to do the same with president trump. >> i do have to come back to this, as you are trying to deal with all of these revelations, there are more than 9,000 catholic run orphanages in the developing world. are you afraid that is the next for allegations. >> in some ways that is not bad. what happened is nauseating and diabolical. as we get to know about it, that could be a cause for healing. i think it was kept quiet for too long. you referred to the german bishops, we did that remember, you reported it well when we asked john jay, this had to be

12 years ago, would you do a scholarly study of the causes and context of the abuse of minors by priest. they did a stunning three volume work that doesn't get enough attention. our attempt to find out what the problem is. how does this happen and why can't we seem to -- we want to be leaders now in facing this scourge and in healing it instead of ourselves part of the problem like we have in the past. >> that is a good point to end on. >> i hope so. >> will you invite me on? >> we will. this is going to continue. >> i'm afraid it is. more than a billion people worldwide. thank you. has hurricane florence surges towards the carolinas, president trump did it on twitter today

saying 3,000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit puerto rico. when i left the island after the storm had hit they had 19 from six to 18 deaths. he claims any reports to the contrary were done by democrats in order to make me look bad as possible. super chef jose andres went there. he reacted to the president's tweets earlier this morning. >> he should be ashamed. probably was more than 3,000 people. but actually, history only shows you his lack of empathy. actually true that week after week people kept dying because injuries, because of lack of food, lack of water. you name it. actually, that proves how little

support the federal government gave puerto rico. >> andres came through for puerto rico last year. re-opening, he did the island's kitchen, schools, restaurants and sports stadium. cooking 3 million meals within those first two brutal months. he has written about it in his book "we fed an island." he told me the policies have to stop so people can get the help they need. welcome to the program. it is good that we have you right at the moment of this hurricane. you have so much real world experience. first and foremost, do you think compared to puerto rico last year, that preparations are being better made for florence baring down on the carolinas. >> for what i see through twitter, through the messages of the governors, fema, i see we

have a good game. the lessons from last year, i think we are seeing the learning curve. and at least i see that the intentions are there. even president trump said, that the federal government is going to be putting its full weight behind it. they are not going to spare any money. this is very different from what happened a year ago that one moment even president trump was saying puerto rico is costing us a fortune. the federal government is going to go broke. everything has changed. now everybody seems to be ready to make sure this hurricane will be taken care of. >> let me refer back to hurricane maria and puerto rico and president trump. just this week he said fema and his administration had done a god job. let's listen to him. >> the job that fema and law

enforcement and everybody working along with the governor in puerto rico was tremendous. i think puerto rico was an incredible unsung success. >> well, i don't know how that resonates with you, because we know that you went there practically immediately to bring food. we also know that the death toll has been raised just in the last few weeks. they thought only 64 people died. but actually 2,975 people, 46 times more than the original estimates. do you think it was an unsung success? >> i think that everybody is trying to always make it political. in the case of president trump, is we did a good job and they did a bad job. republicans and democrats together need to stop making it about politics. it needs to be about people. >> explain to me what was the thought process that went

through you that got you to get up from here and go over there in the midst of this incredible hurricane. >> i told my wife that i would go for five or six days. and i saw that it was not true leadership specifically in an area i know something, feeding people. i began with a group of chefs feeding people. we went from thousands of meals today to 250,000 meals today. what we did was in an area that they thought was not true leadership, we kind of took over. we did our little part. we saw that the system was broke. everybody was talking about let's all do this. but i kept asking who is in charge. everybody. when everybody starts telling you everybody is in charge, that means nobody is in charge. we need to start asking our leaders to really know who is responsible until you don't have

people that take full responsibility, we will always leave people in the middle of an hurricane, an emergency totally forgotten. >> i want to play this clip because you were happy and triumphant, you had reached the million mark. >> 21 days in this beautiful island of puerto rico. i can tell you chefs of puerto rico initiative, we are about to reach today 1 million meals cooked by the men and women of . big day. i love you all. [ applause ] >> so look, it is great to see that a year or more later. and then went to 3 million meals. let's take it down. we saw this massive big pile of dishes i think it was and all of these people that you recruited to this cooking army, while the

authorities were giving meals ready to eat. mre. and you were giving hot fresh meals to people. how did you do it? millions of people who needed it. what was the process? >> every time we got a phone call we responded. every single hospital, nurses and doctors had no food. so we began taking care of the hospitals. we never left them alone. we will keep going to the same places for days, for weeks for months. but that day it was happy. but until that day, i cried a lot. because i felt that the bake ris were in the island they needed help to open to make breads to make sandwiches. the people were ready to help. sometimes, because the way this system works, everything is

about contracts and bidding. why are you going through a bidding process that takes weeks about food when people are hungry today. >> this is a real paradigm shift. do you think what you did can be the template for other emergency reactions? >> totally, we have been in the fires in california. we went to hawaii after the volcano. we went to guatemala. we took care of the 28 shelters. we spread everybody very much. and right now in indonesia in a little island. we are not doing anything special. we have a plan, we have a map and we know where our kitchens are. we know where the hungry is. we know where the bakeries are. and the only thing we do. i want to thank the people of the military.

national guard were helping us. they were giving us humvees to cross rivers. people of the navy were coming in their time off to volunteer in our kitchen. >> that is another remarkable story because again, the intersection of the private with the national or the public whatever you want to call it. the private and the military. and all of these resources coming to play. we were all somewhat shocked. you said and many people at the time said for instance that fema headquarters puerto rico was the most inefficient in the world. leaving the people hungry and thirsty. and president trump didn't come for 13 days. please next time before napkins remember to feed the people first. >> i want to make sure that we

understand that actually i do believe we have great leaders within fema. and i need to understand that sometimes the systems, the laws, the protocols that they have been created beforehand cuff those men from making right decisions. sometimes i think the federal government has to change totally all of their, to get freedom. they need to follow so many rules. what happened with us, we didn't need to follow any rules. >> you have a particular expertise on many levels, food waste. food waste in the united states is a huge thing. every year gets lost or wasted. that is nearly 1.3 billion tons. what are your thoughts given the

number of people who don't have enough to eat. how much goes to waste. how can we address this problem. >> i get very much involved in food waste. but i am not an expert on anything. i am an expert in knowing that sometimes we talk the big talk and sometimes don't put real action. oranges on the trees were too expensive to hire people to pick them off. you see, we let the oranges go rotten in the european side, and then people on the mediterranean side go hungry. you see the paradigm. sometimes the solution is when somebody will come and say, if we pick up these oranges and these fruits and vegetables and able to ship them to the cities

that need a plate of food, right there we feed the hungry and maybe we solve the problem of immigration all at once. we are going to be in need of a bolder leadership in america, and all around the world. bold leaders to stop talking and start doing. >> your book is "we fed an island." and it is the imprint that was formed by our colleague and our friend anthony bourdain. and this imprint published this book. he took his life and so many feel that lost to this day and they will for a long time for everything he brought. what did he mean to you. what does his loss mean to you, and to the world, not just of food but of knowledge. >> i spend a lot of time with him. my friend eric rupert one of the

best friends. i was with him a few months ago filming a show in the region i was born. and very much it wa in every segment of the show, i was not filming a show. showing my friend, my homeland where i began. tony was a man that gave voice to the voiceless. a man that gave opportunity to those who had no way of telling their story. somehow he was able to break walls. when some people wanted to build walls. he was able to bring us closer and to show people that think different from us, or different religion or color of skin or accent. that we should not be afraid. we need to empower each other by understanding each other. that is what tony did. and it took me only one simple message. this is happening, somebody should be telling this story.

i am like what are you waiting for. he said next. what are you waiting for. so i got my good friend that is my best friend besides a great writer, he jumped on a plane, well he came to help me. but in the process we didn't realize he was talking notes what a group of chefs, men and women with a simple idea began feeling not an entire island, i wish we did more. but we did our little part. >> 3 million meals. >> 3.7 million. well done. >> important as this hurricane now florence bears down on the east coast. we turn from a chef to feed a devastated island to an athlete.

urschel gave it up to pick up a ph.d. in mathematics. they discussed the surprising overlap between football and math and how protest has always had a place in american sports. >> welcome to the show. >> thanks for having me. >> math and football. what an amazing combination. tell me about growing up. >> my mother grew up in cincinnati, ohio. she loved puzzles, problem solving and math. and this is something she pushed when i was a kid. and something she instilled in me. >> she got you into math. and wanted you to become an engineer when he was a kid. >> not just any engineer, an

aerospace engineer. >> rocket scientist. >> nothing else would do. >> and you go the into football by looking at a photograph of your father? >> that is true. my father played college football at the university of alberta. and i wanted to be like my father in many ways. >> you comes back into your life and does he push you into football? >> i think he started to push me more and more. the more he saw me play, he thought, maybe he is not bad. maybe he can play college football, play pro football. >> he liked math as well and he wrote an inscription for you at one point in a book called "qed," talking about math stripping away the dirtiness of nature. >> to show the nature.

>> i heard you say sometimes black kids don't get a break when believing they can do something like math. is there discrimination there. >> i think there is truth to the fact that african american kids in this country clearly are not getting the same opportunities with respect to math, as their count counterparts. and i think there is a reasonable way to think about this. if you look at say all the top american mathematicians and you look at sort of the diversity of them, we have brilliant young people being born into all sort of different households from all sorts of different backgrounds whose talent is being lost and failed by our education system. >> you are at mit. you have done more at harvard. you were recruited at stanford.

the math department there, thak those math departments how many african american professors are there? >> i am going to say 0. >> that's correct. >> there may be one but i don't think there is. i may be wrong. >> as a black mathematician, are you trying to create groups of black mathematicians that support each other. or do you think that is not a good way to go. >> i don't. i interact with mathematicians and i am not more likely to interact with another african american mathematician than any other mathematician. but that is my view, my upbringing where i can say i have been blessed to not feel throughout my life, that the color of my skin, the household that i grew up in has any impact on my ability to do math.

it is important that we have both types of mathematicians. mathematicians who think it is important to bring us together to help bring along the next generation of african american mathematicians and those of us who believe that there is something powerful in just being a mathematician and having sort of your race have nothing to do with it. >> the connection between loving mathematics and doing so well at it and loving football and doing so well, what are the common traits in terms of persistence or working focus, being able to compartmentalize? >> the key thing that they have in common is that they do both reward persistence and determination and a sort of toughness. and a decision that you are going to keep working at something and you are not going to give up. and this is something that i think they share in common although they do have many

differences. one is more dangerous than the other. and also something you know, in a little more seriousness, is that the concept of comfort with failure is quite different in the two fields. for instance in football, failure is this unacceptable thing that needs to be fixed immediately. whereas in fields like mathematics and different areas of science, failure is part of the process. you attempted something and it didn't work and now you learned something. >> you go from penn state and you get drafted by the baltimore ravens and you decide to both play for the ravens and study at mit. >> yes. >> most players haven't done that before, right? >> no, no, most players haven't done that. yeah. i have made better decisions in my life. this is one where.

>> so you would go to mit for one semester and hit training camp as soon as it was over. >> yeah, and go back to baltimore. and the thing that was tough was that in the fall when i was in baltimore, i was signed up for classes at mit. so i would send in assignments via correspondence. >> and about five or six years ago, you had a concussion playing for the ravens, is that right? >> perhaps three years ago. >> is that when you began to think that maybe you should move away from football and focus more on math? >> surprisingly not. when this happens, it was one of those things where this was quite annoying to me because you have a concussion, and you are having trouble thinking, light sensitivity and a number of things, but for some reason, that wasn't a wake up call. >> what caused you to begin

thing about maybe this head injury, cte, brain injuries, maybe i should move away from football. >> father hood is an amazing thing. >> tell me, by the way, you are married to my god daughter louisa thomas that will be out in may. >> yes, we should state that we have some affiliation. >> and joanna. >> yes, my daughter. something about fatherhood makes you think about longevity. >> did you read that "new york times" piece on cte? >> i saw it. >> and what do you think the nfl should be doing. >> i think the nfl is doing what they should be. every year i was in the league they were taking steps to make the game safer with respect to

head injuries than the previous year. i haven't been playing college football for a while, but i hope that college football is taking. >> if you had a kid that wants to play football, would you encourage him? >> yes. if he wanted to play football, i would support him. and yeah, of course i would let him play football. i mean, if he had no inkling towards one sport or another, i wouldn't push him towards football. i can say with certainty, that if i had a son, i don't want him playing pro football like i did. yes, you make a good living but this is not a good life. >> tell me your thoughts on colin kaepernick and what happened. >> it is a divisive issue. often sports has this amazing power to unify people, but also has the amazing power to be a

microcosm for what is going on in the country. and of course this is something extremely divisive. and i don't know what to -- >> do you support him? >> of course. i support people's right to protest. this is something that is amazing about our country. in fact, this is something that i love about our country. as an american, you have the right to express your view if it doesn't harm anyone. if it doesn't hurt anyone. you can express your view. and you can be certain that you know, you will be safe. you can decide to stand for the anthem or decide to not. and you know, you aren't in some totalitarian regime where not standing for the anthem means serious harm will compae to you

and your family. there is something amazing about a country where we can have dialogue about these things where we are in a country where we have a choice. >> if you were playing for the ravens this sunday, what would you be thinking about on the question that you would take a knee. >> for me personally, i stood for the national anthem. i support the protest 1,000%. i understand why this protest is happening, i completely support my sort of former nfl teammates, and their ability to fight for this. but me personally, when i, i don't know how to describe it, but i feel this amazing sort of feeling in my heart. when i am standing on the sidelines and i hear our national anthem and to stand there with my hand over my chest, and it is just something that is very, powerful for me.

i am very proud to be in a country where i have the choice to stand for the national anthem. >> which makes you proud to be in a country which allows some to take a knee. >> exactly. >> tell me now what you would be telling kids maybe going goo mathematics or football, what lessons have you learned. >> the best lesson or the biggest lesson i have learned, whatever it is that you are passionate about, don't be afraid to really, really put in the work to try to achieve your dreams. i believe in general, if you have a good goal that you are working towards, sort of being dedicated to that craft and working towards that, this is a good quality. and even if you don't achieve whatever you are working towards good things tend to happen. >> very few people in this society who in some way could be a heeling symbol.

do you see any role you can play in that. for mathematicians or football players or anybody. >> a healing symbol is ambitious, but i have hopes and aspirations to be an example among many to the things you need to do. you can achieve math and science no matter race, gender or socio-economic background. >> john urschel truly is an example of what you set your mind to, you can achieve that. thanks for joining us. see you again tomorrow night.

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