congre adam schiff joins us to discuss the supreme court nomina news from capito califo voters will be choosi a new governor. we wi talk to gavin newsom about had his mission. theournalism start up is aiming to hold big tech compan accountable. hello and welcome to kqed newsro newsro we begin with the b ftterht over the u.s. supreme court. today the senate judiciary commit voted along party lines to advance brett o the nomination full senate floor. althou republican arizona seedto jeff flake vo yes, he called for the fbi to look into the allegaons. the gop leader agree and presid ordered an

invest that would limite scope and completed in less than one week. these development are one day after a riveting hearing where they watched dr. christine blasey accuse brett kavana of sexually assaulting w her when the in high school >> i believed he was going to rain me. i tried to yell for help. when i putd his h over my mouth to stop me from thisat terrified me the wyellin most and had the most lasting impact on my life. it was hard for me to and i thought that brett was accide going toill . >> judge kavanaugh denied the allega but this timee did so with anger. he railed against democrats fors trying sink nomination and destroy his name. >> this ole two-week effort has be a calculate and orches political hit, fuelle apparent pent up anger about president trump and

the 2016 election, fear thatb hs n unfairly stoked abou my judici record, revenge on rehalf of the clintons and millio of dollars from left wingpposition groups. >> to discuss all of this is congre schiff who joins mefr via skype washin nice to have you back. what else wouldkeou l to see happen before a full senate vote happen >> as a prosecutor and there are a number of republicans on that commit have done invest of prosecution before whenyou have two witnesses who have cant dictory stories and both of them cannot be telling the truth, you don't simply shrug and say we will choose to believ this person or that person you go and interview and bring under oath other witnesses. now, there is no reason in the wor you would not bring in

mark j him under oath, y.ve him test why would you not bring in brett kavana classmaterom yale who has a similarly disturbing story to tell about brett kavana and his behavior while drunk. there no reason you wouldn'tin them in unless you don't really want to hear what they have to say. so the senate coul bottom of this. any prosecutor who had a case with conflicting witnesses can say, you don't simp leave it at that. you do further investigation and the idea that somehow the republ senate staff whose missio is to confirm this guy are being to be objective invest laughable. >> mark judge is the other person that christine blasey ford w in the room when she allege brett kavanaugh assaul her. when you are speaking about the truth, based on your experience as a former prosecutor, what are

your thoughts on the process and format about the five-minu chunks of questioning and no other witnesses called. was that conduciveing truth? >> no,as it t. when the all-male committee brough in a woman prosecutor to questi dr. ford, it seemed odd. why are you bringing a prosec tose ially cross examin the victim. usuall they are on theide of thevictim. here the prosecutor questioned the victim and whentt o brett who the prosec should be questioning and cross examinin cut her off and the senators jumped in with political speeches. i think it was all too transp theisplay of politi rather than getting to the tr >> you are accusing th republ of playing politics, but the same criticisms have been levelled at the democrats.

yesterday during thearing, lindse gram said "what you want to do is destroy this guy's life, hold the seat open and hope you win in 2020. is there some truth to that critic >> no, the isn't, but that's what you can expect the republsay. we have a credible witness and the republicans don't deny her tetim was very credible and very believable. they j don't want to the tr of it. i think we saw also just what a politi this has become with the gop when kavana in his personally writte opening statement, basica blamed the clintons for the predicamenthe is in. nuls think the clintons put dr. ford up to testifying, that makes sense unless you are doing a blatant appeal to thel

repse. >> if kavanaugh is confirmed withou any additional witnes what do you thin that will do in terms of how he is viewed and in terms of his legiti >> i think he is going to be tainr whatever time he serves on the bench, whether he remain on the court of appeals or confirmed for the supreme court. it's not just the taint from this a in high school if you credit dr. ford'stestimony, which i do. the fact that on so many occasi he appeared to be clearl untruthful. unwill to acknowledge what he had written in his diary and what it meant. small lies and none the less, untrut the social w activitith his friend he was unwilling to admit any o that. i think there is going to be

fundamenti aial lack of trust f this judge. >> he did deny all the allega i want to move on and ask y about deputy attorney general rod rosenstein as well. presid to discuss after the "new york times" repor had suggested secret le recording the presid he had brought up the issue of possib removin him from office under the 25th amendment. rosens denied the report. what do you think his future should >> i think he should stay and protec the mueller invest what disturbs me is it may be degene as far as when the presid gets d ofod rosens they are urging him to wait until after the mid-terms when his obvis effort t obstruct the investigation won't force them to pay a political price at the polls, but they made it

clear they want him out of there. that ought to alarm all of becaus right now he's the only thing protecting the mueller invest he needs to stay this t.p there has been some reporting that is willing to resign as long as the president doesn't say bad things about him. that i think is completely acce >> also in washingtoday, google's executive with house republicans to discus the place that the compan isin tto compress conser views. this has been levelled at oth tech companies as well. do you that social media compan are dampening free speech >> i haven't seen any evidence of political bias in terms of how the social media platforms operat or how the algo rhythms are structured. it's true that a great many people may not like the politiviews, butt employees

of google are entitled to their own ri like everyone else. the claims of bi are bogus. it's part of an efforto get the platforms t prejudice the conat the present in favor conservativ views and i don't that google or any other company ought to be tllie doing that. >>ere have been questions about the size of the companies. google as a40% facebook has billio of users. are you concerned about the size and the dominance? do they need additional regula >> it's summer a legitimatel y issue if there is such a concen of marketing powers it's a competition or iinnov or having other impacts. i think we should do oversight on the issue and n pjudge where it leads us. those are legitimate questions

to ask. >> congressman adam schiff joinin us fromashington, d.c. thank for your time. >> thank you. >> now to the california govern race. with a weeks go to electi day, new polls show the race for governor is tightening. among voters, gavin newsom leads john cox by 12 points they differ over a host of issues and whether toreal the gas tax. kqed policy sat do with the lieute governor sc >> lieutenant governor, it's you. to have we will talk about the story that riveted the country. th hearings with brett kavana and christine blasey ford. what's the most important take away.vi >> how and polarized we are as a country.

how we talk past each other. it doe either side said. it is not a great moment. >> part of the conversatio was hi. schooli he went to catholic schools, as you did. youalked about it. the church again is embroiled in this abuse scandal. i'm wondering if you feel like califo should join new york and new jersey an do an indepe investigation of abuse by not just prysts, bu emp >> i grew up in the churchnd have no trouble wi that at all. anecdoally and directly. i don't want intrigue on my own experi b as an altar boy and the early childhood memori but yeah. i think that is absolutely approp under the s.e no additional moral thresh to advance because you sit there and say you can be

eorgiv you to be accountable. >> let's talk about the campaign for governor.ca theaign changed, but the slogan is courage for a change. with a president after courage. it sort of implies jerry didn't have courage on the issues or you will. how will b you different from jerry brown? >> i'm not here to critique jerry brown. i want compliment him. he is the right person at the right time. he triaged the state and put us back on firm footing. that said, there are vexing issues that will require courage and a chan in terms of approa the homeless issue is out of contro and inexcusable and unacce 24% of the nation ishomeless. we need to address that. the housing issue and c afforsis and ortga rents are out

contro 49utth o of 50 on per capita units. >> this was a big issue when you were mayor. stillis. as you well know, you can take 5,000 people off the streets and there will be another 5,000 from other counties or states. how do you deal wi regional or state-wide basis. do you hold them accoun >> i lo the question. you are framing it as it needs to be. it's a problem manifesting in regions manifesting e cities a city mayor cannot solve this oursel you have tona regze strate it's accountability. if san francisco i the only one in the entire nine-county bay area that is all the right things that will place enormous pressu on the city of san franci that needs to be

equall shared. region plans. incent good behavior and disinc bad behavior. we laid out strategies and homele czar of sorts. the i'm line and objectives and real deliverables and region strategies. you made child care a priori >> 85% the power ofin si to your kids. that's not a government the achievement gaps starts before you enter kindergarten if you get serious, you have to begin at the beginn pg. that's a bt emphas >> you are doing that and i'm not sure about the tag. you talk about single payer

healtcare whichas a big price they gave upin bernie sanders's home state. how are you going to pay for it and what do you need to make it happen >> bet that effort in w vermon wha experience here in california, we are spendi $367.5 billion. by some o estimatr $400 billio we have a robust health caresy deliveem in the stat and we are a nation state. core belief is that is roughly single payer financ already, we can aress the remaining 30% and the anxiet and waste and ineffi health care is bankruptingthe state of california. the next governor has to have a plan. we can escape it. we have seen huge increases. ac trump. the end of the individual

mandat increasing premium for the rest of us. i ama committed tong sen of a s payer financing approa >> onef the criticisms from democr and even those in the middle of the country, there are too ma coastal w elites talk down to the rural parts of the countr the red ates, the fly over states. can yo that if you are living redding or thank you ol om me in county. you can characteriz as a tesla drivin >> i agree with that. i thin have to be careful never to talk down to anyone. qute contrary. you need to be connected and spec people want to be connected i many i had divorced mom living in the city and my dad in one of the reddest parts of california,

placer county, i have a deepec ap to people in rural califo >> a couple issues is the enviro and greening. in coal country, they are afraid of clean. gas tax, that kind of thing. ofng it down to the reality being what d say to folk who is live in those parts of the state. >> i never met anyone who wanted brown water coming tap. i neve met anyone who go outside breathing dirty air. you are talking in those terms. they may not believe in global warming, and now i change or it's a hoax. you mi lose folks. if you focus on the fundamental issues you can bring people k. ba >> if you are elected, how is califo going to be elected? >> i hope we can adjust the issue of our time of climate

change and death and income disparfo the caia dre 19 cannot be the wealthiest. it's about real strategies to addres the issues. thezero to three. other strategies wed l out. nothin can addres overnight to afford and hopefully over the course of a term, i think we will h made real progress. >> thanks so much >> now to tech, facebook reveal a hacker gained access to nearly 50 million user accoun it's just the latest in a host of includin thep rolif of face accounts on google and twitter. a new nonprofit news

organi is taking aim at the power of tech companies and the impact on our lives. starti next year, the mark up will se on tho pioneered the use of data to reveal the effect software. the founder of craigslist donate the efforts. inin mes the manages editor jeff larson. the office in new york city is the editor ichief. welcom to you both. >> great to be here. >> t mark up will be invest and how will yo get th you need? compan like facebook nd google will not hand over anything any time >> the are not known for openne terms of sharing data. we will hire programmers to work hand i happened with journaa collect dom the closed system. some o ways we have done

that is create browser extens collect that from people's facebook f ds or from these lockdown systems. it will bell r personality to collec the companies and prohib our findings. >>e this is what found. >> exactly. >> why do you thin this level of scruti is needed right now? >> you know, nst j the tech indust that we think of that needs scrutiny, but generally taxed society. some o stuff that jeff and i have written about is the softwa that is used in courts for criminal sente us fo by the defendants. tech id as an instruf power, essenti essent it's a way to implement the decisi they have made. we want to look into the systems and find out why isthe algo rhythm flagging some people fo

more scrutiny than others. they are embedded and we don't have a lot of insight. we deserve to know how the decisi are being meat. >> you made the comparison to the canned food industry. can you explain that? >> yes. i think it makes sense. the thing is when canned fcod e out, everyone was excited. you ca have peaches in the summe and the winter when you couldn used to have them. the 3 years where all the recipe had canned food. that's how we are w. it'sexciting. we have a super computer in our pocket and we have in love with thse machines an we haven' questioned the influence and how they make decisions. we are waking up to the way we interact with each other and society. and starting to investigate, hat does it seen in can we mitiga the downsides? >> what will be the main invest areas that you

focus on? >> what we are oking at the place that technology and algo rhythm have control in our lives. so not just the large techhe compan ways in which inform is spread and chaire but also algo rhythms that have decisions over others. julie mentioned parole si de we will be looking into car for example these technologies are used to classify and rank and score f ks, people don't are inially tink of them when they think of techno butey are being used with little to no ov oversi >> when you wereer with anot invest news site, how numero companies use facebook to only target young people in job ads. they argued that federal law gives it immunity from viability

from what people place in terms of ads and oth thi party conten do you they should be held respon for whateople put on their platforms? >> it's a question that the courts will probably ask to consid there never has been an easier or better way to discriminat online in the vented to only to younger worker it used to be that the ads would y no women or only men apply or no blacks. you ca do it without anyone knowin you can buy a targeted ad and until recently they had a drop down menu. don't show this ad. you ca block out groups you didn't want to see it. here never has been a better way to discriminate what do we as a society want to allow. say it is legal. the courts will decide, but we have to think about what we want to be legal. we are the citizens and we

theore have input. >> julia raised interesting questi right there. for you, what are the biggest worrie about technology future >>hey are quickly going into situat and have been there tr the p couple of decades where technology is used for automa decisions. that meahe that algo rhythm are used to rank and score people and making decisi behalf of people's lives. they impact their lives and there recourse. you can't argue with a some o these algo rhythms that people who put them into practi don't even know how they work. don't even understand. >> they understand the total i

broad reach consequence for what they work on. >> i think we have se that not only with google, but with facebo in thect eln. i don' there was sort of like a deep understanding knowle of how this inform spread on the platfo we are coms g to teth that now, but i also think on a more local level or impactful people lives, when you aresc red and ranked dangerous and don't go on to commit another crime, there is no recourse for you can't stand up in court and argue against that algohmrh if it's fed badidate -- data, you can't correct that before >> isthat a way of shifting the respon >> yeahhe that's challenge. often the al go rhythms are

built to teach themselves and now you talk about e artifi intelligence they just learn off of the existi data set. t truth is our society is not perfec so some of our daets are also biased and the decisi we made are biased. they get entrench and automated. as jeffsa , it's hard to disput them. how do you argue against an al go rhythm who decided you are more risky than someone else. we want to provide some counter point or independent oversight of some of >> and jeff, there is the proble of data breeches facebo announced that a hacker gained access to nearly 50 millio user accounis. thiot the first time it happen what are the top things that peoplehink you should know about how tech companies use heir data and affects their lives every day? >> julia and the other i 2011

did a called -- a series of stories tha got a pulitzer nod called what they know. it was laying t data broker and the way in which dataav across various compan one of the things in the mark up is pick up thatork in 2018 and look at the ways in which your data travelsrom broker like experi and facebook and maybe to twi google and ways inch whhat is not are inially ideal when these breeches happen and they will continue to happen shining some light on how that data works. >> all right. you will launch next year. with the news outlet, the mark up. thank both for your time. >> tha >> will do it for us. you ca find more corage at

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>> a republican senator stuns hi party and stalls the nomination of supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. i'm robert costa, welcome to "washington week"." >> i think it would be proper to delay the floor vote for up to but not more than one week to ask the f.b.i. to do that investigation. it would be short and limited in scope. robert: aramatic twist for supreme court nominee brett kavanaich. repu senator jeff flake votes yes to advance the judge's nomination but it comes with a condition that shook washingtonn in a instant. a call to delay the final confirmationote one week to allow the f.b.i. to probe sexual assault nominations against kavanaugh. >> i wil only be comfortable moving on the floor until the