congre adam schiff joins us to discuss the supreme court nomina news from capito califo voters will be choosi a new governor. we will t tagavin newsom about had his mission. he journalism start up is aiming to hold big tech compan accountable. hello and welcome to kqed newsro innewsro we bith the bitter fight over the u.s. supreme court. today the senate judiciary commit voted along party lines advance brett kavana nomination to the full senatefl or. althou republican arizona senato jeff flake voted yes, he called for the fbi to look into the allegations. the gop leader agree a presid ordered an invest that would be

limite scope and compleed in less than one week. these development are oneay after a riveting hearing where they watched dr. christine blasey accuse brett kavana of sexually assaulting her when they were in high school >> i believed he was going to rain me. i tried to yell for help. when i put his hand over my mouth to stop me from yellin this i what terrified metthe m and had the most lasting impact on my life. it was hard for me to breathe and i thought thatet b was accide going to kill me. >> judgeanaugh denied the allega but this time he did so wh anger. he railed against democrats for trying sink his nomination anstroy his name. >> this whole two-week effort has be a calculate and orches political t, fuelle apparent pent up anger about president trump and the 2016 election, fear that has

been unfairly stoked abou my judici record, revenge on ehalf of the clintons and millio of dollars from left wing opposition groups. >> to disuss all of this is congre schiff who joins me via skype from washin nice to have you back. what else would you like to seer happen b a full senate vote happen here areprosecutor and a number of republicans on that commit who have done invest of prosecution before when you have two witnesses who have cant dictory stories and both of them cannot be telling the truth, you don't simply shrug and say we will choose to believ this person or that person you gon andrview and bring under oath other witnesses. now, there is no reason in the world you would not bring in mark j him under oath,

have him testify. why would you t bring in brett kavana classmate from yale who has a similarly disturbing story to tell about arett kava his behavior while drunk. there no reason you wouldn't bring them in unless youon't ally want to hear what they have to sae . so the senul bottom of this. any prosecutor who had a case withli coting witnesses can say, you don't simply leave it at that. you do further investigation and the idea that somehow the t republ senatef whose missio is to confirm this guy are beingivo be obje invest laughable. >> mark judge is the other person that christine blasey ford was in the room when she allege brett kavanaugh assaul her. when you areeaking about the truth, based on your experience as a former prosecutor, what are youron thoughtthe process and

format about the five-minute chunks of questioning and no other witnesses called. was that conduciveing truth? >> no it wasn't. when the all-male committee brough in a woman prosecutor to questi dr. ford, it seem odd. why are you bringing a prosec to essentially cross examin the victim. usuall they are on the side of thevictim. here the prosecutor questioned the victim a when it got to brett who the prosec should be questioning and cross examinin cut jumped and the senators in with political speeches. i think it was all too transp the display of polti rather than getting to the tr >> you are accusing th republ oflang politics, but the same criticisms have been levelled at the democrats. yesterday during thearing,

lindse gram said "what you want to do is destroyhis guy's life, hold the seat open and hope you win in 2020. is there some truth to that critic >> no, there isn't,s but tha what you can expect the republsay. we havebl a cre witness and the republicans don't deny her testim was very credible and try believable. they j don't wa get to the tr of it. i think we saw also just what a politi this has become with the gop when kavana in his personally writte opening statement, basica blamed the clintons for the predicament he is in. nuls think the clintons put dr. ford yi to testg, that makes sense unless you are doing a blatante a to the republbase. >> if kavanaugh is confirmed

withou any additional witnes what do in that will do in terms of how he is viewed and in terms of h legiti >> i think he is goin to be tainte for whatever time he crves on the bench, whether he remain on thert of appeals or confirmed for the supreme court. it's tt j the taint from this a in high school if you credit dr. ford's testimony, which i do. the fact that on so many occasi he appeared to be clearl untruthful. unwill to acknowledge what he had written in his diary and what it meant. small lies and none the less, untrut the social activities with his friend he was unwilling to admit any o that. iis think there going to be a

fundamenti aial lack ofrust for this judge. >> he did deny all th allega i want to move on and ask you about deputy attorney general rod rosenstein as well. presid to discuss after thenew york times" report he had suggested the t le recording presid he had brought up the issue of possib removing him fromde office the 25th amendment. rose denie the report. what do you think his future should >> i think he should stay andpr tec the mueller invest what disturbs me is it may be degene as far as when the presid gets rid of rod rosens they are urging him to wt untfter the mid-terms when his obvious effort to obstruct the investigation won't force them to pay a political price at the polls, but they made it clear they want him out of

there. that ought to alarm all of us becau right now he's the only thing protecting the mueller inves he needs to stay this post. there has been some rorting that is willing to resign as long as the president doesn't say bad things abt him. that i think is completely unacce >> also in washingtoday, google's executive with house republicans to discus the place that the compan is trying to compress conser views. this has been lelled at other tech companies as well. do you that social media compan are dampening free speech >> i haven't seen any evidence of political bias in terms of how the social media platforms operat or how the algo rhythms are structured. it's true that a great many people may nhe like politi views, butt employees of google are entitled to their

own ri like everyone else. the claims of bias are bogus. it' part of an effort to get theejlatforms t ice the conat the present in favor of conservativ views and i don't that google or any other company ought to be bullie doing that. >> there have been questions about the size of the companies. google as 40% and facebook has billio of users. are you s concerned about the and the dominance? do theyed dditional regula >> it's summer a gitimate policy issue if there is such a of marketing powers it's a competition or innovation or having other impacts. i thi s weould do oversight on the issue and not prejudge where it leads us. those are legitimate questions

to ask. >> congressman adam schiff joinin us from washington, d.c. thank for your time. >> thank you. >> now to the california governwi race. h a weeks to go to electi day, new polls show the race for governor is tightening. among voters, gavin newsom leads john cox by 12 points they differ over a host of issues and whether to repeal the gas tax. kqed policy sat do with the lieute governor sc >> lieutenant governor, it's good to you. we will talk about the story that riveted the country. the hearings with brett kavana and christine blasey ford. what's the most important take ay. >> how divide and polarized we are as a country. how we talk past each other.

it doe either side said. it is not a great moment. >> part of th conversatio w his schooling. he went to catholic schools, as you d. you talked about it. the church again is embroiled in this abuse scandal. i'm wondering if you feel like califo should join new york and new jersey and do an indepe investigation of abus not just priests, bu employ >> i ghew up in the chu and i have no trouble with that at all anecdoally and directly. i don't want intrigue on my own experi but as an altar boy and the early childhoo memori but yeah. i think that is absolutely approp under the s. there no additional moral thresh to advance because you sit there and say you can be

forgiv you need to be accountable. >> let's talk about the campaign for governor. the campaign changed, but the slogan is courage for a change. with a presidentra after c. it sort of implies jerry didn't have courage on the issues or you will. how will you be different fromr brown? >> i'm not here to critique rry brown. i want compliment him. he is the right prson at the right time. he triaged the state and put us back on firm that said, there are vexing issueshat will require courage and a change in terms of approa the homeless issue isut of contro and inexcusable and unacce 24% of the nation is homeless. we need to address that. the housing issue and afford crisis and mortga rents are out of contro

49th out of 50 on per capita housin units. >> this was a big issue when you were mayor. stillis. as you well know, you can take 5 5,000 people off th a street there will be another 5,000 from other counties or states. how do you deal wi regional or stateide basis. do you hold them accoun >> i love the question. needs framing it as it to be. it's a problem manifesting an regions manifesting in the cities city mayor cannot solve this oursel you have to regionalize strate it's accountab sity. if francisco is the only one in the entire ni-county bay area that is doing all the right things that will placenmous pressu on the city of san franci that needs to be equall shared.

region plans. incent good behavior and disinc bad behavior. we laid out strategies and homele czar of sorts. the i'm line and objectives and realer delles and region strategies. >> you made child care a prii >> 85% the power of singing to your kids that's not a government program. thechievement gaps starts before you enter kindergartenyo if get serious, you have to begin at the beginning. that's a big part emphas >> you are doing that and i'm not sure about the tag. you talk about single health care which has a big

price they gave up in bernie sanders's how are you going to pay for it and what do you need to make it happen >> bet that effort in experience we here in california, we are spendi $367.5 billion. by some estimates over $400 billio we have a robust health care delive system in the stat and we are a nation state. my core belief is that is roughly single payer financ already, we can address the remaining 30% and the anxiet and waste and ineffi health care is bankrupting the state of. californ the next governor has to have a plan. we can escape it. we havein seen hugeases. aca ha trump. the end of the individual mandat

increasing premium for the rest of us. i am committed to making sen of a s payer financing approa one of the criticisms from democr and even those in the middle of the country, there are too ma coastal elites who talk down to the ruarl of the countr the red states, the fly over states can yo that if you are livingdd ng or thank you ol om me in county. you can characteriz as a teslai n >> i agree with that. i thin have t be careful never to talk down to anyone. quite contrary. you need to be connected and respec people want to be connected i many forms. i had divorced mom living in the city and my dad in one of the reddest parts of california,

placer county, i have deep apprec to people inrual califo >> a couple issues is the enviro and greening. in coal country, they are aaid of clean. gas tax, that kind of thing. bring it down to the reality of being what d say to folk who is live in those parts of t state. >> i never met anyone who wanted brown water coming tap. i neve met anyone who wanted to go outside breathing dirty air. you are talking in thote ms. they may not believe in global warming, and now i change or it's a hoax. you mi lose folks. if you focus on the fundamental issues you can bring people back. >> if you are elected, how is califo going to be elected? >> i hope we can adjust the issue of our time of climate

change and death and income dispar the california dre 19 cannot be the wealthiest. it's about real strategies to addres the issues. the zero to three. other strategies we laid out. nothin can happen overnight to addres afford and hopefully over the course ofm, a te i think we will h made realog ss. >> thanks so much >> now to tech, facebook reveal a hacker gained access to nearly 50 million user accoun it's just the latest in a host of including the prolif of face accounts on google and twitter. a new nonprofit news organi is taking aim at

the power of tech companies and the impact on our lives.ex starti year, the mark up will be on those who pioneered the use of data to reveal the effect software. the founder of craigslist donate theefforts. joinin me is the manages editor jeff larson. the office in new york city is the editor in chief. welcom to you >> great to be here. >> the mark up will be nvest and how will you get th you need? compan like facebook and google will notd h over anything any time >> the are not known for openne terms of sharing data. we will hire programmers to work hand i happened journa collect data from the closed system. some o ways we have done that is create browser

extens collect that from people's facebook feeds or from these lockdn systems. it wille really personality to collec the companies and prohib our findings. >> this is what we found. >> y. >> why do you thin this level of scrutiny is needed right now? >> you know, not just the tech inst that we think of that needs scrutiny, but generally taxed society. some o stuff that and i have written about is the softwa that is used in courts for criminal sente was fo by the defendants. ech i used as an instru of power, essia essent it's a way to implement the decisi they have made. we want to looknto the systems and find out why is the algo rhythm flagging some people fo

more scrutiny thans. othe they are embedded and we don't have a lot of insight. we deserve to know how the decisi are bing meat. >> you made the comparison to the canned food industr can you explain that? >> yes. i think it makes sense. the thing is chenned food came out, everyone was excited. ou ca have peaches in the summer and the winter when you them. used to have the 30 years where all the recipe had canned food. that's how we are now. it's exciting. have a super computer in our pocket and we have with these machines an we haven' questioned the influence and how they make decisions. we are waking up to the way we intera with each other and society. and starting tote investi what does it seen in can we mitiga the downsides? >> what will be the main invest areas that you focus on?

>>hat we ar looking at is the roace that technology and algo rhythm have co in our lives. so not just the large tech compan the ways in which inform is spread and chaire but also algo rhythms that have decisions over others. julie mentioned parole decisi we will be looking into car insura for example these technologies are used to classify and rank and score folks, people don't are inially think of them when they think of techno but they are being used with little to no ov oversi >> when you were with another invest news site, how numero coanies use facebook to only target young people in job a. they argued that federal law gives it immunity from viability from what people place in terms

of ads and other third party conten do you they should be heldr respon hat people put on their platforms? >> it's a question that the courts willto probably ask consid there never has been an easier or better way to discriminat in the wanted to advert only to younger worker it used to be the ads would say no women or only men apply or no blacks. you ca do it without anyone knowin you can buy a targeted ad and until recently they had a drop down menu. don't show this ad. you ca block out groups you didn't want to it. there never has been a better way to discriminate what do we as ao society want allow. say it is legal. the courts will decide, but we have tohink about what we want to be legal. we are the citizens and we theore have input.

>> julia rsed interesting questi right there. for you, what are the bigges worrie about technology future >> they are quickly going into situat and have en there for the past couple of decades where technology isor used decisions. that means that these algohm rhyre used to rank and score people and making decisi behalf of people's lives. they impact their lives and there recourse. you can't argue with acomputer. some o these algo rhythms that people who put them into racti don't even know how they work. don't even understand. >> they understand the total broad reach in consequence for

what they work on. >> i think we have seen that not only with google, but with facebo in the election. i don' there was sort like a deep understanding knowle of how this inform spread on the platfo we are coming to terms with that now, but i also think on a more local level or impactful people lives, when you are scored and rank dangerous and don't go on to commit another crime, there is no recourse for you. you can't stand up in court and argue against that algo rhythm. if it's fed badidate -- data,n' you correct that before >> is that a way of shiftin the respon >> yeah, that's the challenge. often the al go rhythms are

built to teach themselves and now you talk about the artifi nintelli they just learn off of the existi data set. the truth is our society is not perfec so some of our data sets are alsose b and the decisi we made are biased. they get entrench an automated. as jeff said, it's hard to disput them. how do you argue against an al go rhythm who decided you are re risky than someone else. we want to provide some cou point or independent oversight of some of them. >> anj f, there is the proble of data breeches an facebo announced that a hacker gained access to nearly 50 millio useraccounts. this i not the first time it happen what are the top things that people think you should know about how tech companies use their data and affects their lives every day? >> julia and the other in 2011

did a called -- a series ofstories tha got a pulitzer nod called what they know. it was laying out data broker and the way in which data travel across various an co one of the things in the mark up is pick up that work in 2018oknd at the ways in which your data travels from a broker like experi and facebook and maybe to twigl g and ways in which that is not are inially ideal when these breeches happen and they will continue to ghppen shining some l on how that data works. >> all right. you will launch next year. with the news oulet, the mark up. thank both for your time. >> tha >> will do it for us. you ca find more coverage at

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