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>> narrator: tonight... >> you will not replace us...>> arrator: first charlottesville, then pittsburgh. >> ...he's got an automatic weapon... >> ...multiple casualties inside the synagogue... >> is your sense that there's new energy, joining these movements? >> it's probably the most active my career. >> narrator: frontline and propubca reporter, a.c. thompson investigate... >> wanted to talk to you about what you were doing n charlottesville last year? >> narrator: who was behind the violent rally? >> there's video of you launching yourself into that crowd.ee >> you could fhow angry they were, but also h happy they were to be intimidating people like this, and it was just this happy rage. >> we're down to die for this man.
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♪ ♪ >> you will not replace us! you will not replace us! you will not replace us! you will not replace us! >> a.c. thompson: charlottesville, virginia, 2 august017. i'd been tracking hate crimes since the presidentialai camp, and i could see that something was happening in this country. the charlottesville rally was supposed to be aut a confederate monument, but anyona who was payittention could see that it was about more than a single statue.
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(shouting) it felt like a national reckoning around race was coming. (shouting, chanting) and being here would help me understand i (shouting, repetitive banging) i came here to ask questions, but as the day unraveled into chaos around me, one thing became clear: this was not a place to listen or understand. charlottesville was a crime scene. (shouting, screaming >> medics! >> medics! >>edics! ♪
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♪ >> thompson: i arrived in charlottesville for what would ng ofe the largest gathe white supremacists in a generation. le they cit unite the right, and it was drawing individuals from at least 35 states. >> good afternoon. i'm chief thomas, charlottesville police department. we will have a significant police presence throughout the weekend-- well over a hundred officers from my agency, several hundred officers from the virginia state pice. we were informed that the national guard is monitoring the situation. >> thompson: the day before the rally, a few reportersred for the police press conference.
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but i'd begun to hear from other sources in charlottesville. >> we have time for one more questi. >> thompson: chief, we're hearing rumors of there being another torch-light march tonight, an unpermitted march. do you have any information about that? >> i've heard the same rumors, but i don't have a lot of details. what have you heard? where is it going to take place? in the city or the county? >> thompson: we've been hearing 5:00 or 6:00. >> where at? >> thompson: not far from heret is w've been hearing. the police had hea the same rumors i had, but the university grounds were quiet and it seemee likearch might not be happening after all. until ddenly, the torches appeared. >> you will not replace us! you will not replace us! you will not replace us! you will not replace us! you will not replace us! >> thompson: in a matter of moments, hundreds of neo-nazis and edite supremacists assembl
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and marched on the university. the police arrived on the scene, but watched from the sidelines as a small group of anti-racist actists were quickly surrounded. roe of them-- emily gorcski-- was streaming itm her phone.ar >> we penned in. we are srounded on all sides byundreds of nazis.ut we have no way. >> white lives matter!er white lives ma! m >> white livatter! white lives matter! (shouting) ( bleep) >> i got punched. i got kicked g i remembetting hit in the head.as i thought with a torch. i stped forward at one point and i goshoved back. i thought i was going to die.
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the thing that i was thinking as the melee was happening was, "i jused to keep the camera going." you know, that was the only thing that i could d yeah, it was like a hundred people beating up like a small group of us and a small group of students. >> thompson: ten or 15 people? >> yeah. you could feel how angry they were, but also how happy they were, you know, to be doing this, to be intimidating people like this, and this happy rage. >> thompson: had you ever seen that displayed before? >> no, never in my life. they were cheering, they were running through the streets, yelling at people. and they walked away and they got away with it they're coming in here the next day ready to do more. i thought like, "here we go. yeah, here we go." (police radio chatter) >> thompson: the morning after the torchlight march i walked
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into town with a group of clergy. (chanting) the white supremacists who'dpl beaten pe the night before were returning.ti and ascist counter-protesters were arriving to challenge them. >> ♪ no hate, no fear white supremacists not welcome here. ♪ >> ♪ no hate, no fear (shouting) >> no kkk, no fascists! >> thompson: at 10:15 a lee erupted. (shouting, screaming) ou a p of white supremacists-- some with their nds taped up like boxers-- punched, kicked, and choked people who tried to block their path, leaving them bloodied on the pavement >> thompson: just want to let you know there's been all kinds of crazy violence over here. pepper spray, people beating each other wh sticks. we're trying to figure out if the police are going to intervento stop that or if
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it's just going to keep going on. >> well, we've all got different assignments to try to maintain some sort of order here, so that's what we're focusing on right now. >> thompson:undreds of people had shown up to protest the white supremacists. most were non-violent, but some-- black-clad militant anti-fascists-- had come to fight. and while police looked on, thew crd grew more aggressive. (shoutg) >> go ahead (bleep), i'm tellin' you, i'll shoot you! (shouting) go ahead, you want to play that way, i'll play it. >> (bleep)ho (sing) >> thompson: a group of white hsupremacists formed up w shields and clubs and pushed straight into the protesters. (shouting) some of them fought back, but no one was arrested, and the violence continued to escalate. at about noon, a group of white suprracists cornered protesto
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deandre harris in a parking garage next to a police station. they beat him with poles, metal, pind wooden boards. mp >> thon: police did not intervene to break it up. then at 1:45 the brawling turned into something else-- an act of terror. (screaming, shouting) a ey dodge slammed into a crowd of protesters. 20 pple were rushed to the hospital.
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32-year-old heather heyer was pronounced dead. >> i always wondered, "was she afraid? (exhales) dishe see him coming?" she was deaf in one ear, so, um... damn it, i wasn't going to cry. (sighs) she had planned on not going. but when she saw videos from fridayight, she said, "i have to go." and... when you drive through charlottesville now and see thal peaceful ldowntown it's really, really hard to imagine. even seeing the videos it's surreal. i get cold chills every time i'm in the parking garage anhave to walk past where dre was beat up. that's just insane, right there
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by the police station, the police standing right there. i>> thompson: for you, wh justice for heather look like? >> i don't know. i don't know that you could ever call it justice for heather. nothing's gonna bring heather back. those of us who miss her, miss her... forever. her best friend said, "you know, it's kinda weird. i'll get to be an old man and she'll always have been 32." yo know, life goes on. i'm getting older... it's just weird. life is very different. (soft chuckle)
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s thompson: james alex fields is the person when prosecuted for heather's murder. in your mind, is he th person who should be held accountable? >> no. for people from 35 states toto come iight, that's absolutely absurd. >> you had a group on one side that was bad, and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. nobody wants to say that, but i'll say it right now. we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregiousat display ofd, bigotry, and violence on many sides, on many sides. >> it was really something else to see. this news conference, bill, encapsulated theresident's thinking, his reasoning and frankly his frustration over the events that took place over the weekend in charlottesville. >> he defended his initial comments and says there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides. specifically he mentioned whatle he cthe "alt-left." >> excuse me, what about the alt-left that came charging at
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the, as you say, the alt-right? do they have any semblance of guilt? >> today david duke, the formero grand wizardf the kkk, tweeted is. >> grateful to the president for his words today. >> "thank you president trump for your honesty and courage to tell the truth about charlottesville and condemn the leftist terrorists in black lives matter/antifa." >> here in charlottesville one white nationalist to us the president has helped them. >> he's opened up a door, his movement has opened up a door, but it's up to us to take the initiative. >> thompson: president trump's comments spark national outrage. while white supremacist leaders praised the president's words, they angered many here in charlottesville, including the city's mayor at the time, democrat mike signer. >> groups that previously had beat stuck in the shadows an the margins and at the extremesh are brinto the mainstream
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and that's why they felt welcome to try and "unite the right" in arlottesville. and at the end of the day it's a city of, you know, just under 50,000 people and we were, we were in this, we were this rget for forces much bigger than us. >> thompson: you are the jewish mayor of small southern town. i imagine you've gten a lot of trolling and a lot of harassment. >> oh, yeah, hundreds of messages on twitter, mail at my house.rt a n of robert e. lee pressing the green button on a gas chamber where my face had been photoshopped into it with a star of david on ml in reference to the confederate statue issue here invi charlotte. >> thompson: i saw you that night over at the county d government headquarters u looked stricken. >> stricken is not a bad word for it. i wish that had known more. i wish that we had been given more information by y the
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state intelligence apparatus. >> thompson: did ty say anything like, "hey, these guys are going to come with clubs, they're going to come with pepper spray, they're going to come with, you know, implements of violence"? >> no. we had one briefing with three members of the vginia state police who came and talked to us on city council. they did not present us with any evidence of a crible threat. >> thompson: as i understand it, about ten people altogether have been prosecuted from those days, does that sound accurate to you? >> it sounds like it should be a lot higher. ♪ >> thompson: unite the right was a watershed moment for the whit supremacismovement. tegroups that had been isoon the margins for years suddenly converged out in the open. ♪ an independent report commissioned by the city said the many failures of state and local police had produced
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disastrous results that day. i just want to see if there's anything the charlottesvillece poan say about what happened that day, and what changes might have been madego g forward. charlottesville police won't talk. and the state police won't either. i got your message saying that basically we should look at thee ok and twitter posts you put out, but we have questions that gbeyond that. they've charged one man for the killing of heather heyer and t four f beating of deandre harris, but if charlottesville was a crime scene, then most ofr thinals had gotten away. like i said, i'm just trying to figure out how many folks have been prosecuted and how many cases might still be in the pipeline. i wasn't getting any ansrs in charlottesville so i set off on my own. ♪
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who were these whitepr suacists who had descended on charlottesville? and why did the authorities seem so unprepared?♪ ♪ i i arrin new york to meet with a retired fbi agent, a n who infiltrated neo-nazi groups during the 1990s. is s from charlottesville. >> mike german tracked the violence in charlottesville as unfolded. >> this is when the police should be there and they aren't. and not even in view. i mean you can't even see somebodylose by. i mean it's one thing to, okay, watch these guys trade some punches and th follow them as they separate and grab them. >> thompson: right. t y weren't even doing that or let them go home but then pick them up. because you can identify them prty easily. and what's interesting about moarlottesville is that it was that it was after two years of increasing violence at
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these protests. (shouting) there was anaheim...♪ ♪ sacramto... (shouting)e first berkeley protest in 2017. the huntington beach protest. (crowd chanting "u.s.a) the second berkeley protest wasv en more violent.ft the h, sixth, seventh in a series i could see from my office here in new york city how this was building. this was not just predictable but predicted. i couldn't believe that there wasn't better intelligence being provided by the federa government, by the fbi and department of homeland security, particularly when people are coming in from out of state, they should be warning them. these are people who engaged in violence in berkeley.ar thespeople who engaged in violence in huntington beach. where was the fbi? unless the fbi too has just
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abandoned this ground, which i would find even more shocking.n: >> thompnd your sort of sense is like if you allow folks to go out and act very violently over and over and over again in these political spaces then they basically start to think, "hey, the cops are okay with us."he >> right, re going to protect me coming in, let me do it and then protect me going out." now that these groupfeel that they have some state sanction for that, they are going to be a lot more dangerous in thcoming years. ♪ >> thompson: "where e fbi?" mike german wondered. they had issued warnings aboute whsupremacy violence before charlottesville, but those warnings have failed to stop the bloodshed. no one from the bureau will sit down with me, but they send met. a statem the fbi said while iesn't police ideology, it has lo investigated white supremacy extremists and it will enforce the rule of law.
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(keyboard clicking) ♪ stabbings, shootings, beatings-t rally after rally leading up to charlotteslle, i see the same faces again and again. one face stands out to me. i first notice him at a pro-ump rally in huntington beach, and he surfaces again at other rallies where he's treated like a leader. after he's briefly detained by police, i'm finally able to identify him. robert rundo is based in california now, but his rap sheet begins back east. that's where he led a small street gang in queens, new york, called the original flushing crew. the queens d.a. shares rundo's file with me.
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rundo's flushing crew wasn't racist and included a few latino members. they got into a bloody feud with the infamous street ga ms-13. ngine revving) within ms-13 rundo was known as "el diablo blanco." in 2009, he was filmed byce surveillameras in front of this corner store.ew rundo's an be seen chasing members of ms-13. ndo stabs one of them. his victim falls as he tries to escape, and rundo stabs him six more times.
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rundo's graffiti remains on sidewalks here, but he's gone. he was sentenced to two years in prison for gang assault and sent upstate. after his release,e moved to orange county, california. the neat rows of sun-bleached homes here look like a vision oo suburbana. but orange county has ys had a darker side. >> this is actually a klan robe the guy wae grand dragon of the imperial klans of americ the rank structure here. >> thompson: so kind of like sergeant's stripes or something? >> yeah, likthat, but he's like in charge. he ran this whole chapter in the whole region. >> thompson: lowell smh was an ange county probation officer for 26 years. for much of his career, he worked exclusively wite supremacists. so the guy we're looking at, ro rundo,s this tattooed on
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his back. can you explain the significance? w l the totenkopf is primarily found what we see with neo-nazi organizations. back in the day started off f th adolf hitler, with the gestapo and somethe nazi secret police. >> thompson: wow. so this is a thing that, that i've been trying to understand. rob rundo, he grows up in queens, new york. he's a member of kind of a multi-cultural gang. he goes state to new york state prison. and by the time he gets out of new york state prison, he isth definitely opath to being a neo-nazi or a white supremacist. >> there is a lot of hate within the prison system. there's a lot of assaults, ghts, racial fights. so they go in there and they separate by race for protection. so for these guys to be protected, they got to be allied for protection with hardcore violent skinheads.
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then they go out to the streets, they're ideologically motivated. >> thompson: so it's not surprising to you? >> it doesn't surprise me at all, n over time, especially within the last year or so couple of years, i've seen is whole white supremacy becoming more embolded. >> thompson: just in the last couple of years? >> yeah. it's probably most active in myi histormy career. >> thompson: so in almost 30 years? >> yeah, and a little bit different too because you're seeing mainstream that you wouldn't suspect. you're seeing college kids becoming emboldened in this movement. s >> thoo moving out of the subculture and moving into the mainstream of american life. >> right. w ries me a lot. yeah, i'm, i'm really concerned. i am afraid charlotteslle could happen again and be a lot worse. ♪ >> thompson: smith says a new generation of white supremacists are pushing their politics into the mainstream. rob rundo seems to be part of that trend. his group's first public appearance wasn't at a torch march, it was huntington
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beach at a pro-trump rally behind a banner that read "defend america." (cwd chanting) when anti-fascists showed up, rundo and his crew attacked them he pinned one of them on the ground and pummeled him. (peoe shouting) one member of his crew also attacked frank tristan, aur jolist with orange county's alternative weekly paper. u at the time did ow that this was a group, or who did this, or what was going on? >> no. i definitely saw they were organized. they stuck as a group, you know, also the banner. when we got back to the office and i started talking to gustavo about everything, he started having me go out and look for everybody there who wasin attapeople. (keys clicking) i arted going through hashtags. so like #magamarch. >> thompson: that's you! >> yeah, right there. so i started finding pictures like this. >> thompson: so is this him hitting you or is that later?o >>is is right after he had just hit me. when i clicked on his name, it took me to his profile. >> thompson: and you look at his
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pictures there and you say, "oh, that's the dude who attacked me." >> there you go. >> i said, "okay, if we're going to tell this story that actually there were white supremacists there, we ed to get everything right. so start digging." ♪ then i started seeing pictures tthat photographers took t maga march and i see a guy with a shaved hd a jacket and immediately i'm like, "that's a hammerskins logo." walking around openly with a hammerskins jack. and so then he starts digging, he finds out that this guy had actually bn just recently released from jail from prison for a hate crime. and that's when you know, "okay, this more than just couple of random people. there's something much more organized." >> thompson: frank and gustavo followed a trail of social media posts and court records. their research put a name to rob rundo's group: the rise above movement, or ram. they portray themselves as patriotic nationalists. but the members' facebook posts are full of anti-semiticnd racist imagery.
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they also appear in photos andra videosing with the largest nazi skinhead gang in america-- e hammerskins. >> so you got a hammerskin here. hanging out, they're doing their fight training with the rise above movement. >> so they're, they're, they're training and they're identifying separately, it's alh undesame moniker. >> thompson: so basically, you have like a new whiteac suprt group kind of absorbing the old guard. >> yes.ho >> tson: and the old guard being known as being hyper-violent. >> oh yeah. >> thompson: so what happened with these gs in the weeks and months aft the march and the attack at huntington beach?wh e did they go? >> they started getting more prominent. they started getti well-known and more celebrated. >> and they started becoming friends with other alt-righters. they were becoming heroes. >> oh, check it out, if anyone wants to know, this is what we're about, it's rise above movement.er we wat berkeley, at huntington, now we're here. >> that's right. >> thompson: in the months after their emergence at the huntington beach trump rally, the rise above movement's social media following swelled.e
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by the t the charlottesville rally, they'd gained a national reputation as white supremacisstreet fighters. ♪ e >> there wcouple of guys in these few shots that we weren't able to identify. w i wond he is. 'cause he looks like he's part of ram. >> thompson: oh ye, he's definitely a ram person. >> he's definitely dressed in the whole thing. >> thompson: but i don't think we know his name, no. i know rob rundo is the leader of ram. id by examining online videos and court document'm able to idtify several more ram members. >> so there's this guy who i don't... i don't know if you guys know who he is no >> thompson: okay, so leave that on him. and then come over to this video to the charlottesville. >> oh yeah. ic thompson: one face looks familiar, and i kly realize where i've seen him before. he marched in charlottesville on august 12, his hands taped up for a fight.
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oh look, he's got his right hand taped up. >> right hand. >> thompson: i wonder if his left hanis as well. >> sure we can see... oh yeah, he has bo here. so this is him. e thompson: they're the s person. >> yeah. >> thompson: the ram member can clearly seen attacking people at the california rallies. and in charlottesville he participates in one of the morning's first fights, beginning the escalating spiral of violence. but whoever he, is i can't identify him. using clues from ram's propaganda videos, i manage to locate one of their training spots.ff justhe 405 outside of irvine, we find ram's graffiti tags hidden inside drainage tunnels. >> traditionally when you looked
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at white supremacist graffiti, it tended to be the opposite of this. so not the flowery large letters that's associated more with the hip hop culture. white supremacist graffiti traditionalltended to be more just like narrow letters just like the lettering there. >> thompson: i'm guessing this is like the new york city influenc like rob rundo bringing this from queens and his upbringing here is my guess. >> i mean it looks that y. >> thompson: sociologist pete simi has studied white supremacists for decades. his field research takes him inside dozens of racist groups across the country. >> i'd describe them as a hybrid of sorts because they're kind of a collage in a way. you know, where they're pulling together these different ide and symbols and associations and kind of making their ownhing. >> thompson: this is the... >> that's the life rune. >> thompson: how does it get appropriated by the white power movement? >> it's all about white survival. >> thompson: so this is one
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that's been in circulation for a iang time? >> yeah national ae used it back in the '70s. >> thompson: so what do you ma of this? >> got the celtic cross, it's one of the most widely utilized tattoos among white supremacists. and then it's interesting because you get then this phrase here, "kill your local drug dealer."ic taps into what's right xsove-- the straight edge, the three x, the tripl this notion of living a clean life and being very kind of puritanical almost. >> thompson: right. yp it felt like they were doing like a vigilantework. they're cleaning up the streets. >> thompson: like the white supremacists who came before them, si says that ram members present themselves as defenders of tradition white culture. we visit marblehead park in sanh clementee they film training videos that celebrate personal fitness, the warrior spirit and political street fighting. ♪
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>> what they're trying to sell is this idea that we neeto go back to a more traditional time, you know, traditional masculinity. when they blend in these fight scenes, that's also this idea of being not only just fit and living a pure life but also being a warrior of sorts. so you could imagine a, u know, 16-, 17-year-old white male watching these videos and being somewhat moved by them or attracted to them in some case. >> thompson: it looks like it's a small group, it's a fringe group. why arthey important? and what do you think? >> well, first, you know, the first ing is we just want to strictly talk about violence. small groups can do as much if not more destruction than large groups. you have, for instance, the oklahoma city bombing. a relatively small ghere that, you know, ultimately pulled off, at the time, the
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largest act of domestic terrorism prior to 9/11. so you know an act of violencenl can certbe committed by a small fringe gup. >> thompson: by a small group. >> and then i think, yeah, they might be kind of a small fringe group, but the best, most sophisticated white supremacist issthe one who appears the l visible. they're not out there wearing uniforms that are going to be really visible. they're not getting tattoos all over their face. you know, they're blending in, in a lot of different ways, including the issu they're concerned about. the issue of immigration, which has been a real hot button issue. zewhite supremacists can sn that issue and say, "look, there's an invasion and that america is und siege." then they have the potential to recruit among a much broader swath of the population than we often are willing admit or recognize. ♪ >> thompson: a couple months hafter charlottesville, i ouough to publish a story and video about the naming rob rundo and several other members.
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i later hear from several lawrc enfoement agencies, including the fbi. they won't talk on the record, but they say they've opened an investigation into rundo's group. i want to talk to rundo. i go looking for him, and learn that he's in europe networking wi extremists there. and i still can't identify thata member in the charlottesville photos-- the one unaring the "make america great again" hat and pching people in the face. then i get a tip frolocal cop. the man's name is michael miselis. miselis doesn't have a cminal record. he's a phd candidate at ucla ueand holds a government-id security clearance for his j at the massive defense contractor northrop grumman.
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hey mike, how you doing? a.c. thompson, "propublica" and utrontline." wanted to talk ahat you were doing in charlottesville last year. >> uh, sorry, i don't know anything about that, man. >> thompson: b you were there, you're on camera, you're on photos. >> no, i, i think you got the wrong guy. >> thompson: hey, do northrop and ucla know you're involved with the rise above movement?ot >> gta go, man. mp >> thoson: we identify michael miselis in a follow-up story. and the next day, northropgr man announces its taken action, and miselis is no longer an employee. ♪ >> in new york city, an army veteran, who police say is ante admitted wupremacist, has
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been charged with murder as a hate crime. >> portland police say late yesterday afternoon three men were stabbed by a man yelling ethnic and religious slurs. >> thompson: over the course of my reporting, i've seen a wave of white supremacist violence hit the country. >> the brutal killing was motivated by prejudice after police found urbanski belongs to cebook group "alt-reich nation." (keys clacking) >> thompson: police departments across the country have reported a steep rise in hate crimes. the fbi says that hate crimes have hit a five-year high. one case draws my attention. >> prosecutors say samuelwa wood took bernstein to a park and killed him with a knife. >> bernstein was found with more than 20 stab wounds. >> twenty-year-old woodward was the last person to have seen the pre-med student whe he was home for winter break. >> do you think your son could have been targeted because he was jewish? >> absolutely. he was also a gay man.
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>> thompson: samuel rd hasn't been charged with a hate crime, but the case seems worth investigating. and it took place back in orange county, california. i've been looking at this guy samuel woodward, the man accused of killing blaze bernstein in this park. at first i thought you have a gay jewish college student stabbed to death. maybe this is a hate crime. what do you know about woodward? >> woodward was a teenager, greu up in newport beach, so that's the old money of orange county. ry his family were evout catholics. they went to one of the wealthiest parishes in orange county, our lady queen of angels. conservative catholic parish right there. >> thompson: you've been tracking white supremacist groups for many years now. was woodward a guy who was on your radar? do you know of him to have been involved with any long-term o.c. groups? >> nothing.
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you have volksfront here, you have hammerskins.i ew the traditional neo-nazi groups. i had no idea of who this guy was. >> thompson: woodward didn't seem to be on anybody's radar here and he didn't appear to be part of any local white supremacist group. his alleged crime was vicious, but it wasn't clear to me that he was even part of my story. ee anything else the court to address on behalf of the people? >> no. >> thompson: sam woodward betrays no emotion at his court hearing. he pads not guilty. (cameras clicking) defendant is "woodward."d >> okay, go ahd write that. i pull woodward's court file, but there are precious few details in it. there's also not much to be learned from his schooates. they describe him as a introvert, and it seems like most of his life took place online. orange county is starting to feel like a dead end. then i hear from a journalist,
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jake hanraha who gives me photos of an anonymous twitter account showing sam woodward doing paramilitary tining with a neo-nazi group called atomwaffen division. th colleague ali winston manages to make contact he person who posted the photos. he's a former atomwaffen member, and he points me to another member who uses the online handle "ted bundy." we trace him back to his parents' house in a d.c. suburb, a neighborhood favored by members of the intelligence community. na he uses zi imagery on his facebook page, posts selfies with guns, and i've obtained photos placing him in charlottesville.
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(dog barking so i'm a reporter with "problica" and pbs "frontline," and we're working on a documentary about the new neo-nazis. hiis is a nazi emblem, the black sun, this is a t put out by the group atomwaffen. his father willhe neconfirm nor deny that the pictures on his son's facebook page are real. but the next day i get a call from his family. they say he left the group. that it was too extreme for him and he hasn't had anything to do with it for months. i think you should be aware that we of the people in the group that he was involvh is currently facing charges for killing a gay jesh college student in southern california. otheir story is difficult verify. atomwaffen is obsessed with secrecy, communicating tough
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encrypted text messages, and private chats using a service lled discord. to the former aaffen member sends us logs of 250,000 messages shared amongst the group. ted bundy is in the logs, and so is sam woodward. but something unexpected catches my eye and i have to go back to charlottesville. t torch march last august, emily gorcenski had been edsaulted while she livestre the confrontation. we'd traded information, but there were new details in therd atomwaffen disogs. you were sending me messages i when i wcalifornia. and i think you and i were both wondering ift was the rise above movement that came after you on the nig of the 11th.
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then my colleagues and i got the chat logs for atomwaffen, this like much more extreme neo-nazi group. d d this guy is talking about unite the right 's reporting back to his fellow nazis and he says, "just got in a fight. if you see a guy in a tracksuits the. i dropkicked emily gorcenski." >> thompson: this guy describes kicking yoby name with your full name. we think this guy in the track suit, it's thiguy, vasilli pistolis. he's a private first class ine s. marine corps. >> i mean that's, that's unbelievable. so there is somebody with a tracksuit. we have a photo of him. and if we look, we can see him back here.gu the in the adidas tracksuit. >>hompson: that's the guy. >> this is the guy. and then he comes running in from the back. does a flying dropkick., yeahd he doesn't hit me
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because the person he hits is a few feet over to my right. but he definitely does come in and launch himself at people. and that's kind of what kicked off the whole group. >> thompson: and that's wherezy things got cra. >> yeah, the melee, yeah. >> thompson: if you look at this picture i think it's got to be the same guy. >> oh, that's him. yeah i mean look at the haircut; that hairline is super distinctive. >> thoson: yeah he's got like the total widow's peak. so at the same time he would have been attacking people, he would have been working for the u.s. government, serving in the marines. ♪ the military bans membership in racist groups, and the pentagon publicly condemned the vlence in charlottesville. but while reporting on pistolis, i get an email from a marine veteran.
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>> shortly after unite theen right, a fof mine came across a comment by pistolis on facebook and immediately clicked through to his profile and realized this kid's an active duty marine and you can't be a nazi in the military. she sent the screenshot my way because she knew i had served and she thought maybe i would be able to get inontact with his command. h thompson: ed beck served a tour in iraq whed been assigned to the 2nd marine logistics group-- the same command pistolis serves at camp lejeune. >> after i was first alerted to pistolis i started searching and just came across other websites that he had been posting on r years-- white supremacist content, racist content, anti-semitic content. >> thompson: beck had seen the same footage i had of pistolis at the torch march. and he collected video from charlottesville i'd never seen. >> he had posted a photo of hist
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e that he was preparing for unite the right. >> thompson: so it's the punisher baseball cap. >> the punisher cap, the flag, the mask which he ended up not using. i started digging into photos and videos. you can see pistolis on the side. >> thompson: right. >> he turns and starts advancing.an he gets ready... to swing. >> thompson: he was... everywhere in thesimages. >> right in e middle of it. and here's one shot of him attacking. >> thompson: oh wow! i had not seen this.in this isane. >> there are mulple videos showing pistolis attacking. >> tmpson: wow. he's hitting the guy on the ground, right? >> right. >> thompson: it's vicious. >> but there were at least a aphalf dozen videos that cred his attack on saturday. >> thompson: what made you finally decide, like"i have enough information here to call law enforcement"? >> pistolis popped up at the white lives matter rally in shelbyville, tennessee. that night a neo-nazi group
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assaulted an intracial couple. >> thompson: there's pistolis.to >> there's ps. the nashville police were looking for witnesses. at this point i realized i had to report him. i called the military police at camp lejeune. i told them i had evidence that he had been a nazi for years and that he had assaulted multiple people at unite e right in charlottesville. >> thompson: and you said this all on the phone call. >> i said thisll on the phone call. >> thompson: and what happened? >> he said he'd send it up the e inn and they might touch. and i never heard back. ♪ >> thompson: i speak to the marine corps several times. they told me they'd opened an s investigation into pistot it came to nothing. i made contact with pistolisov er email, but he denied even being in charlottesville. he tells me to call him.
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hey, it's a.c. is this vasilios? >> thompson: i know thto you me that you weren't in charlottesville, but i have found photos of you there, and messages in different discord chats where you're talking about assaulting people and assaulting emily gorcenski. >> thompson: yeah, but there's photos of you there. >> thompson: i guess that's it. you know, you say you weren't ar
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ttesville. you're starting new. you don't want to talk. >> thompson: there video, man, of you there. you know, there's video of you launching yourself into that crowd. it doesn't seem like a joke. it doesn't seem like (bleep) posting. it seems like something else entirely. >> thompso okay. all right, man. ♪ ub
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weshed stories on pistolis that reveal his identity and his activitiessv in charlotteille. ♪ in response to our reporting, congressman keith ellison issues a frmal letter to secretary defense, james mattis. ellison asks h to look into the case and the presence of white supremacists in the military. omhave you heard anything he marine corps or from naval criminal investigative services sbout this? >> no, we heard about itrom "propublica." we wrote in about it because we're concerneabout it. >> thompson: what are you hoping to get out of that letter? >> well, you know, look, we'veil seen people,ary leaders in the past actually change policy and we've seen them make some strong statements. i think this is a critical...i becausink what trump has actually done is given the opposite message. the reality is is that any time you get a whole bunch of these young white extremists carrying
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tiki torches with no masks, rough a public street, they're telling you, "we're not worried." >> thompson: "we're not afraid." >> "we're not afraid, we're going to just do this." that is why it's critically important to be very clearpt about the unacility of any extremists, including these white supremacist extremists acquiring the best military training inorld. because if somebody like pistolis gets the training and uses it, who's he gonna e it on? maybe his fellow soldiers, maybe his fellow americans. one thing we can do is to shinei a light on because when we get some light on it, then somebody somewhereon is say, "okay, this needs to become a priority." and so that's what we're goingto o. >> thompson: a year after the charlottesvie rally, the u.s. attorney's office in virginia indicted eight ram members orssociates.
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michael miselis and rob rundo are amoung those charged. in orange county, the secret life of sam woodward that we discovered has caught up with him. prosecutors have now charged him with a hate crime. for their part, the marines court martialed vasilios pistolis and ousted hifrom the corps. but the movement that violently erupted in the streets of charlottesville hasn't gone away. our source inside atomwaffen says the group has been adding members, and that pistolis i not the only soldier in its ranks. this story is far from over. >> the stock market is dn 21 percent. tor: 10 years after the great recession. >> that took a piece of our soul. >> narrator: cities like dayton are still struggling to come back.
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