tonight, a showdown over the government shutdown. the stalemate over a border wall continues after presirump addressed the nation this week.l also, we'l look at governor gavin newsom's plan to tackle big issues from health care to natural disasters and the challenges he faces. fleeing shanghai, a new book examines the forgotten exodus out of china, a story with milarities to what's happening around the world today. welme tokqed "newsroom." we begin with tensions over border security. as the partial government shutdown stretches on, this week president trump addressed the nation to make his case for a border wall. b

>> tarrier is absolutely critical to border security. it's also wha our professionals at the border want and need. this is just common sense. >> the next day he abruptly ended a meeting with hse speaker nancy pelosi and senate minority leader chuck schumer r wused to provide billions in funding for the wall in exchange for ending the government shutdown. president trumthreatened to declare a national emergency to get the military to build the wall.th would likely spark a legal crisis. meanwhile in california, newly sworn-in governor gavin newsom unveiled a budget totaling $209 billion. among the funding proposars, mothan a billion for affordable housing construction, nearly $2 billion for early childhood education and an additional $105 million to fight and prevent wildfis. joining me to discuss this, kqed senior editor of polt ticks and government scott schaffer, francisco chronicle" political writer joe gary foley and geopolitical consultant john

walsh. great to have you here. >> the new budget pro bowsal, what does it tell you? >> lucky for him a $21.4 bllion surplus. so nice to have money to play with. he's putting $13 billion into paying down the debt, rainy day fund. he's certainly spending money, but focusing on the things he talked about during the campaign. child care, early childhood education, family parental leave, increasing the earned income tax credit for working families. he's really focusing on families, kids, students, mayber a second of community college for free. that kind of thing. >> joe, thule are powe groups that backed him during his campaign, for example, the nelifornia nurses union, on issues he campa such as universal health care. how are they and other groups he aealed to responding to this new budget? >> they're verypo suive. one of the more surprising

things i foundality the budget lullout, it was hard to find a republican to bash him. usually that's the easiest thoug. what dohink of the opposing party's plan? oh, that's horrible. there's some sort of baseline respect for it because it socked a lot of money away for a rainyu day . newsom, it's like he's creating an state of california here. the feds won't cover nd umented immigrants? california will. we'll cover furloughed workers, we'e our own surgeon generon. if washinsn't going to get it done, then california will. because it's flush with money. >> that's sort of his response to trump, president trump. >> that's number one. number two, i think people were pleasantly surprised he didn't go all in on a single payer health care system now't >> i dhink he could.

how would he pay for it? >> i don't think long-term if you pay for the stuff he's done, jerry brown when he was going out the door put a little over $4 bilon into baseline budget spending for increased salaries for state workers.t a these issues, they were campaign pledges. it's great when you've got o billio dollars to hit those campaign pledges early. depending on how you roll thesea healt issues out, they are on going budgetary issues that can cost.f ou spend one-time money on roads, bridges, et cetera, that's one thing. when the economy does eventually flip, if you have on going spending and if youniize these workers, then you've got very expensive on going costs. >> governors are tempted to do that all the time ete wilson reduced class size down to 20 or wer. recession hits and now it's up to 25 or 30. it's hard to resist the money when it's sitting there and the legislature is willing to go for it. >> one of the more controversi aspects of what he's proposing

is he wants to give full access midical for all undocumented p immigrantso age 26. already there's criticism on the from republicans on national front. >>look. so some of the health care, you want to go back to the mandate in california. the mandate, you've got 70% ofop the who will be paying into this mandate helping to subsidize putting wealthier people ont the state mediccal rolls. we have the highest poverty e.tes in the st they shouldn't be picking up the tab f people coming from other countries. this is the welcome caravan it sends a very clear signal. granted democrats like it and i think he gets good pr loud of it. nancial costs f are significant. >> california is criticized for having very low reimbursement

rates for doctors. i was talking to a co-chair of the budget committee yesterday. he said i have constituents who get medical because a lot of doctors w't take those nt pat >> newsom is inheriting the delta water tunnels and also high-speed rail. what is he going to do with those, joe? >> on high-speed rail, he said he reviewing the program, the leadership. he's trying to figure out, what hesays, what it is and what it isn't. i think what it isn't is a full trip from san francisco to los angeles.o look for himort of focus on what he talked about in the campaign, which is valley to valley. central valley where the cheap housing is tosicon valley where the jobs are. it's going to be aifeavy there's very little support. what, %, 30% support. >> for the whole thing. >> for the whole thing. >> he still has to find funding

for it. >> if he does that he's in violation of what it was put on the ballot for and two in violation of what federal matching dollars came from. he would have to go back to the publichio accept som along those lines. >> the ballot measure calledge foing money from the private sector or government, none of which has materialized, right? >> let me ask you about somethig else this wee president trump's tweet about threatening to cut off federal funds for relief for california's wildfires. he's accusing the state of poor forest fri practices. how has the governor responded. >> the governor responded the way republicans responded, which is to say it was inappropriate. one of these 3:00 a. tweets that fema didn't even know about. the republicans who represent the area in butte county, the congress member ane members of legislature were very critical. it's not helpful. it wasn't fema didn't know anything about

it. the people living there were reanxious because they w hearing the disaster funds would be cut off. >> majority of the forest land n california is managed by the federal government, not the state. >> exactly. with ere things to do regards to changing policy of management of those nds? sure. should the president of the united states be threatening to cut off fundiat a time when people are hurting? i think most people would say . >> isis relationship with the president different from the relationship with jerry brown and president trump. >> you don't like the president in a politicale way but you h to deal with him because that's where federal dollars come from. i think throughout the first week in office and throughout the campaign he's gritted his teeth and bared it. >> newsom also has an ex-wife dating the president's son, donald trump jr. sohat's a back channel. they do still talk. let's talk about the border wall. you can't talk about president

trump without talking about the border wall. he visited border in texas yesterday. he's not consering diverting disaster relief to help out in the aftermath of california's wildfires to build the wall. shawn, can he do that without declaring a national emergency?h >> he woulde to declare a national emergency. it may be a slk way toet out of this budget impasse, to be honest with you. democra can say he can't really do it. someone files a lawsuit. it gets figured out in the courts. they held the line with regards to the border fence and they put a budget forward. it could be a slick way out. number one. number two, in california when i was in governor wilson's office, we spend about $5 billion a year on services for people not legally here in the state. i assume 25 years later that's b more than . what the state is putting forward andthe federal government in costs associated with undocumented immigrants ve to be in excess of $10 billion. if you spent $5 million to build

a wall, and i don't think they can do it thatcheaply, if you spent that, you'd get the savings back quickly. fr a policy perspective republicans and the president are on a good footi to have this argument. what's right and wrong legally coming here, illegally coming here, but the tweets and the comments are very difficult forn the senate republicans in the house. >> the politics of this are terrible. money pulling federal from three of the biggest states in the union, california, florida and one of them is a swing state. one is a red state,e a big blue state. it's not good. there'a tweet that captured the bad politics of this. it said nowum 's slogan is we're going to build a wall and makele who lost their homes in a natural disaster pay for it. >> i think there's a make kings for a compromise here. i think the president got into this by calling it a wall. he also said mexico was going to pay for it. i think a lot of democrats inchuding nancy pelosi and

schumer are happy to talk about fencing. we supported that in the past. there's already a lot of fencing as well as technology, drones. if they were both willing to give a little bit, they could ge there. the problem is, both sides -- >> they've kind of both cornered themselves into a wall, right?nt presirump is talking, i'm getting the wall built, no matter what. pelosi, and frankly for the democrats, there's no downsi for them, to keep this -- >> he got up and left that meeting becau he said will you pay for the wall. -- border security is what he said. she said no. if they're talking about border security, it's different from talking about the wall. >> the far left democrats are pressing pelosi no wall, no wall. remember a year ago, the ed democrats agto the wall, for agreed for $25 billio the wall. > if they got relief for the dreamers. >> but now that's off the table. >> in 2006 we had the secure

fence act, supported by pelosi and schumer and obama and hilomry clinton. guy is running around college campuses giving quotes and they think t it'smp and they dump on it. i think actually a fix would be to simply say,okay, the secure fence act required a second fence. you had a brrier in between. we've already built a big part of the fence. we'll buil second fence. it's a compromise. you can get it done.o >> if he go ahead, president trump, if he does declare this national emergency from a legal standpoint, scott, n he do that? no other president has ever done this, to declare anational emergency, to fund a policy proposal to bypass congress. >> thbere will challenges that might stop it. i agree with shawn. if he were to do that, he could tell his base and fox news, i'm fighting for this. it's going to have to be resolved through the courts. meanwhile, let's move ahead. >> even if he never gets the

border w wl built -- is winning in the court of public opinion about th is? >> opinion firmly against the wall. i thi% of americans are opposed to the wall and two-thirds of independen voters oppose it. when it comes down to the wall, that's firmly on the democrats side. >> it's different when you talk about border security generally and dreamers, there's much broader support for that. i think republicans could get a win if they would come to comprehensive deal. >> this white house does not articulate issues well. they don't not roll them out well. they don't brief hardly ever.e so bottom line is, from a messaging perspective, you get the president eats twe a rose by any other name. so they don't lay out what a secure border could looke. l they don't look out what israel has done with their double fence and eliminateall their terrorist attacks.

there's a way forward, youtoave define it differently. >>hawn walsh, joe gary foley and scott schaffer, always good to have you all here. as we just heard, the governor has bold proposals to tackle a host of bigndostly proposals, while the inharns of support, governor newsomeeds fund his priorities such as expanding early childhood education. joining me is assembly phil tinge of san francisco whch rs the assembly budget committee. nice having you here. >> thanks for having me. >>it has to go through your coittee and the budget committee on the senate side. >> what he did was fiscally prudent. 've been working at socking away reserves for a rainy day. you've seen him do that as well as pay do pensions. the bulk of the money is used for one-time expenses th are

fiscally responsible. what we're happy to see is a couple areas we weren't able to reach agreement with governor brown on which was early education, child care, health care, as well as in the social services area. we're glad to see him make investments in that arena. >> were there other priorities were you hoping to see included but were left out? >> i think the one area which we'll obably be dealing with in may is around wildfires. there's a little bit of money in wildfires. really we need to come up with a much larger pposal on how to fix this systemic problem we're dealing with every summer, it feels like. >> the governor is also proposing a one-time expenditure of more than a bilon dollars for proposals for projects that spur affdable housing. you represent san francisco, one of the most expensive housing markets in the country. is there other relief you think the legislature can do other than what the governor has proposed to help the middle class buy or rent a home? >> absolutely.

if you look at many of the legislations that we're doing rightow, i have a piece of legislation i reintroduced to streamline the building of accessory dwelling units, herwise known as inlaw units, granny units. one of the fastest ways we c get housing on the streets where people build in their back yard orin san francisco they billed out their first floor. we have cities, especially resuburb cities that fighting that kind of development. we need them to stop. i've been worng with senator wiener on getting affordable, morer housing built n transit stops. that makes a lot of sense. we'll see the legislature ontinue to push very hard on cities to build more housing. >> i have to interrupt you. there'seipposition to ther bill you just mentioned, especiallynt those who don't w it legislated, they have to have a certain type of project or number of units in their cities. even though the democrats have n supermajorithe legislature, they are still

democrats from different types of communities. how much tension is there on an e like housing? >> it's absolutely a huge amount of tension. the previous proposal that senat weinerintroduced that i co-authored was unanimously opped by the los angeles city council which is not a suburb. the l.a. city council opposed it. the more jobs you create, people ave to live somewhere. we're getting to the point where we don't have nuf housing to tch the jobs we're creating. >> speaking of tensions not only in housing, but other priorities as well, you have california lawmakers who have lots of things on their list. you introduced a bill this weekr that woulquire businesses to give lech tronelectronic receip paper ones, unless the customer requests a printed one. with all those priorities and special projects, lawmakers havr uced bills that would require spending more than what the surplus is already in this

new legislative session. how much tension do you think there will be between the governor and the lawmakers? >> i think there's a lot of agreement. a democratic simple majority, democratic governor. the ip line issu terms of health care, fighting for immigrants, education, early education, you have wde agreement. the devil is always in the detail every legislator wants to make their mark.he many of bills are aspirational bills. those are items where we diuss om a legislative point of view in committee and also talk about them in ary budgeoint of view. at the end of the day, you have a budget and so much money and you have to spend within your mean we have bills that are aspirational that aren't just sometime year, maybe in the future. but we also have a budget we have to pass by ju 15th. let's talk about governor newsom andis governi style. you have known him for a long time. when he was the mayor of san francisco, he appointed you 14

years ago to be the city's assessor recorder. what do you think are his greatest ngsts? >> his greatest strength is,on people know, he's a policy work. he's been waitingight years to unveil his first budget. he was really excited. that's one o the things i quickly learned when i got to know him. >> such a policy wonk that he can often be aloof is what we've heard. >>atabsolutely. what i was going to say is the biggest change. i've noticed over the past couple years,he's gone out of his way to meet with many of my colleagues in the assembly and the senate and build those relationships. that is one of his raps in sanc frco, he didn't have a strong relationship with the board of supervisors. in sacramento it's different. he's really worked to build that relationship. we unveiled the budget blueprint and much of it was put into his

proposal in january. you can see he's listening. >> what would you say are his greatest weaknesses? >> that's what i justne ment the critique was that he didn't have a great relationship with the board e ard of supervisors. >> anything else? >> i think that is the biggest issue. people said he didn't have the best relationships with folks. i think he's learned over the last eight years and tried to du tha better. >> he's working on that. meantime, you have a lot of work to geto on theudget because there will be hearings and the legislature has utilid june to approve it. phil teen, assemblyman from san francisco, thank you. >> thanks for having me. a forgotten chinese exodus brought to life by helen zia, a ltime activist on human rights and lgbt issues, also former executive editor of miss magazine. "last boat of shanghai" about the massive migration of

chinese. she joins me now in the studio. good to have youhe , helen. >> thanks for having me here, twee. >> your book is around four compiles, those who fled the communist revolution. back in 1949, what was the scenh like the people's liberation army marched into shanghai? >> this is a generation that lived through starting wo,d war he occupation by japan. it had been a very brutal time, the collapse of the oldregime. so this was a societ chaos and had been for a very long time. so when it w very clearhat the red army of chairman i mao going to be marching into shanghai, really all hellroke loose. it had been building for some time because it was clear that this society was going to c lapse. >> shanghai was viewed as a

capitalis a lot of the more elite chinese lived there a they all feared persecution. >> many did. it was a city like new york city. as one of the top five cities and population in the whole world. a'it was ch largest and most cosmopolitan. >> so at the time the red army was approaching, people were so afraid that they holding on to the sides of trains and imbing on the roofs, going packed like sardines or on boats hat were so heavy they were sinking. panic had broken loose. that's why i called it the last oat out of shanghai because everybody who fled thought they were on t very last boat, the very last train or last plane. >> you spent 12 years working on this book did more than 100 interviews. why was it so important for you to tellhis story? >> well, for me it was a story --ew i up with a

family. my mother had been part of this. all inew about her life at this time was that she was on he last boa when i would ask her about that as a child, she would always say that was wartime, it was a bad memory. i don't want to talk about it. it wasn't until i was -- until she was in her 70s that finally i said one m,day, it's not too bad you don't remember anything. she said, no, i remember everything. if you want to know, i'll tell you that was when her story became very clear to me. then i began to realize that every family who left at this n the aid that they were last boat. friends of mine would say, oh, eah, my factor was on the last boat. i realized that, like me, nobody had heard this story and it wasn't that long ago that it happened. it's a whole different slice of asian america, of the chinese ican experience. >> your book is coming out at a time when we're hearing a lot aboe exodus of refugees ff

from dierent parts of the world. what are the similarities that you see between what you've itten about and what we're hearing and seeing today? >>oh, the similarities, the parallels and the lessons to learn are huge. and that's the point of telling these stories and learning from history. first of all, one of the things that ge said about refugees of any time is they're pouring into our borders. it's just -- they've decided on a lark to come here, like the thousands of refugees who walked a thousand miles. t, in fact, the refugees out of shanghai, they spent years debating should i leave, shoulda i how would we live, but how can we what if we die leaving? what if we die staying? this was a daily debate in s mnghai for sony families every day.th ik that's what these

refugees and migrants today, every one of the before they decide to get on a rubber raft to leave africa or to march a thousand miles, that's what they decide. >> what happens after they ir arrive in thew country? you make the point that the refugees are often the kinds of people you want in a country. >> absolutely. that's that's being said about these migrants and refugees that are trying to get in here. these are people who are risking everything for the possibility of living free, or that their children can live free and survive childhood.re so these the kind of people who were -- many were pillars of theires communi and that's why they are most at risk staying wre they are. so these are the kind of people who will be the most contruting people to our society. and we should welcome em. >> also a long-time activist on women's issues, the former

executive editor of ms. magine founded by gloria stein them. i want to ask you about the me too movement. some meney saying e afraid to mentor women or afraid to be in a business meeting alone with them. what do you make of all that? >> right now we're in a society where people are told to be afraid of everything, to be afraid omen,women, immigrants, our neighbors, anybody who is different we should be afraid when, in fact, value ld be trying to each other. we should be talking about decency. we should move the dial to say what can we value in each other that makes us all grow together, like a vement in oakland's chinatown is happening right now of immigrants saying wene are nation, aapi. >> islander. >> instead of demonizing each anity inet's see the h

each other and what we can bring together as one nation stronger. >> all right. helen, a pleasure to have you here. our new book, "last boat out of hang high" comes out january 22nd. thank you. >> thank you twee. >> that will do it for us. as always, you can findore of our coverage at kqed.org/newsroom. than, for joininus.

robert: president trump holds off on declaring a national emergency at the border -- for now. i'm robert costa. welcome to "washingt week." president trump launches an all-out offensive to build a border wall, callinged undocu immigrants a security and humanitarian crisis. president trump: they need a wall. if you don't have it, it's going to be nothing but hard work and grueling problems and by the way, and death. a lotf o death. robert: he is prepared to use executive authority, starting a legal debate even on the right. president trump: the legal solutions for me to call a national emergency. i could do that very quickly. i have the absolute right tdo it. but i'm not going to do it so fast because this is something congress should do. robert: democrats dig in and urge republicans to re-open the