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congress quickly moved to ma it happen. >> i am proud to announce today that we have reached a deal to end the shutdown and reopen the federal government. >> woodruff: presidential confirmation came in the white house rose garden, with his own cabinet members and staffers looking on. >> this is an opportunity for all parties to work together for the benefit of our whole, beautiful, wonderful nation. if we make a fair deal, the american people will be proud oe their ment for proving that we can put country before party. >> woodruff: under the compromise, government operations are funded through february 15, and federal workers get back pay. congress will negotiate on bord security, but there is funding-- so far-- for the border wall that mr. trump has demanded. he insisted today that he is not giving up on thademand:

>> if we don't get a fair deal from congress, the government will either shut down on february 15 again, or i will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the constitution of the united states to address this emergency. >> woodruff: at the capitol, democratic leaders welcomed the development. >> as the democrats have said all along, the solution to this impas separate funding for the government, and then go over our disagreements with border security. ultimately, this agreement endorses our position. >> i do have to say i'm optimistic. i see every challenge or crisis as an opportunity. and hopefully that'll make everybody come together in a way that is unifying f our country. >> woodruff: all of this came on a day when commercial flight disruptions added to pressure to end the shutdown. there were dnuays up to 90 s at new york's laguardia airport, at newark, new jersey, and in philadelphia.

officialblamed a spike in air traffic controllers not showing up for work in washington and in jacksonville, florida. h both are majors for flight control. the disruption hit as controllers and thousands of other federal employees missed a second paycheck today. and, thewashington post" reported thousands of employees at the internarevenue service have not been showing up, despite being ordered back to work. now, some 800,000 federal employees can look forward to returning to work, with pay, for at least the next three weeks. and we turn now to our own miche alcindor and lisa desjardins for more on today's sudden end to the shutdown. to, yamiche, to you first, the president has said for 35 days he would not give in unless there were wall funding. what made him change his mind?

>> it's clear the prempsident tely gave in on democratic terms. for 35 days he said i'm not opening upohe gvernment without wall funding and today he did just that. white house tells me president was moved because rank and filetimes said they assured him they were going to vote for wall funding for him down the lin that said, they won't exactly name the democrats, so it's hard to chck whether or not that's clear. we know there was pressure simounting on prent trump. first, the polls were showing the majority of americado were blaminld trump and republicans for the shutdown. there was also this idea that these issues at the airport were really coming to a fever pitch and unions were saying safety sat risk here. lastly, of course, the big one, federal workers missed another paycheck today and people were wondering when is this finay going to end. the white house tells me federal workers will be paid wihin four to five days, so the president was back into a corner and >> woodruff: so, lisa, what's

a democrat's view of this? how do they believe this came around and what is for the next three weeks? >> democrats say they were incredibly unified, even though they had some disagreements over the strategyithin their conference and caucuses, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer said t they manag get all the democrats together this tow the line strategy they had. in addition, next, we talked about thborder security task force, it's a conference committee that we've already known seven senators have been named to thagroup. they have until february 15t february 15th t try to work deal. interesting, though, southern senators, none of them represent a southern bor we will see if there are any other representatives of the southern border ste when the house names it's republicans ant demoto try to work out a deal. house speaker pelosi's office sent out a note what they think here and wrote specifically the speaker kept the president off balance by incesti that state of the union be held after

the shutdown was over. update on that, house speaker pelosi said today still ere is no date for the shutdown. she was sorrytafor the of the union, and we are told people here it is almost logistically impossible for it to happen next tuesday. chances sit will be delayed. i spoke tchuck schumer to ask them about federal contractors who e not set to get backpay. they both side it was on their nds and were working to do something for them. >> woodruff: yamiche, you said the president is counting on democratic support for border wall money. what happens if if he doesn't get that? what are you hearing agent the white house and do they think this affects the relationship with the other party going forward? >> well, for 35 days,id prt trump has been dangling this idea that he woull declare natimergency. now we know for 21 more days he will dangle that sae national

emergency. he says he's going to try to work with democrats but that, ia he cannot reac deal where he will get funding for the wall, that he will declare a national emergency. it's important to note that the president taking that step would not just be a bigeal beuse of the way he would get the money, it will be a big deal because it will set the tone for the way he will deal with a democratic house. he's had all sorts of issuesg dealith democrats and says now i might declare an emergency. some people wonder will he declare a national emergency for infrastructure or other things. it's important to note the a president so getting pushback from the deal he struck toda the conservative writer and author ann coulter tweeted today the prsident was a wim so the president is thinking how am i going to strategize and dealocith demts going forward. >> woodruff: fast-moving events. u sa desjardins, yamiche alcindor, thank th.

and we get reaction now from a memberf the u.s. house leadership. democratic representative ben ray lujan of new mexico, who is assistant speaker. tative lujan, hello and welcome to the "newshour". what's your reaction to all this president's moving as he did on the shutdown? >> well, judy, thank you for having me today. look, well, i think tht we're all moving forward, now that the president has finally agreed to open up th government. this could have happened 34 day ago. this is very resembling of a t det was put forth before the shutdown began back iner dece nonetheless, what's most important about this is that federal emploes are going to be paid, services are going to come back to life. the safety that we heard about with the concerns coming from air traffic controllers, flight attendants and other federal employees surrounding our nation's skies is something we

can now move forwao swiftly make sure everyone is safe again. but i'll tell you, just this st week, having had a chance to go and paticipate with a chef at his food pantry, seeing the number of federal employees that had to come in to be able to find that next meal, there is concern with how people were treated during all of this, an what i would just suggest, the lack of empathy that exsted within the administration, the president himself. >> woouff: well, let me ask you, we heard senator chuck schumer, minority senator of th senate, day he hopes the president learned a less son. does all the blame lie on the president for this? th well, the president invited the cameras intoffice with speaker pelosi and chuck schumer, th len minorider pelosi, but the president said himself that he would take full responsibility for the shutdown, and i think that, absolutely,

the president needs to own up tt act. it was during the time that republicans controlled the house and the senate,nd then beginning day one, on the hoe floor, after we elected indianapolis speaker of the house, weebegan to mov different pieces of legislation including continuing resolutions to on up the government. but this is about looking forward, not back. >> woodruff: let me ask you about that because the presiaynt said that he is going to insist, etch though he didn't get in his teorary agreement, he's going to insist that there is some money for aer physical bart the border in a permanent funding agreement. are democrats prepa go vong with some money for that? >> well, i have bery clear about my position on this. i do not support the president's wall. i believe that it's a third century solution. >> any portion of the wall is what i'm asking. go ahead. >> there are many areas where we should fiend agreement beten democrats and republicans, even that the president has stated

pertaining to border security. democrats have laid out a very aggressive modern, effective infrastructure plan that focuses directly on our port of entry, using technology to scan the vehicles and cargo containers that are coming in to america, understanding that, to address e,e concern that we all hav including the president of the united states, with the flow of narcotics coming into the united states, 90% of the heroin, 88 t cocaine, 80% of the methamphetamines come to the ports. so let's make those investments looking there in addition to the 3,000 vacancies with customs agents and also judges. >> woodruff: i understand that, but the president says th part of that formula, part of it is money for a physical rrier. at one point, democrats appeared to be ready to come to agree to, what is it, $1.3 billion for a physical barrier.ng is that wilss still there? >> judy, again, i have been very ition.about my pos i tonight support the president's wall.

>> woodruff: so not a peny? not a dollar. >> i do not support the president's wall, not one penny, not one dollar, but what i do believe is that we where we will find coon ground is maing investments that are modern, effective, pertain to rder security and more attention t to st the ports of entry on the southern border but the northern border and water port and airports. >> woodruff: so does that mean eks we end of three we could be right back where we are now if the president continues to insist as he is now that there be some money in here. >> the president in remarks at the rose garden today himself threatened another shutdown.lf he himaid he could be at a standstill at the end of theio three-week p and when he suggested he may declare an emergency which again e filled with challenges, but, nonetheless, how can we move forward in a bipartisan way to make sure we're making strong investment as it comes to

modernizing our borde and i lieve that's what democrats have laid out, and will continue to see that in the ucoming days. >> do you see any give on the part of the dehiocrats? >> i the democrats are willing to work with the president and with our republican counterparts in th house and the senate when it comes to a modern infrastructure package, especially tht pertains to border security, and i'm looking forward to a robust conversation about that, andwe let's see wherand up. >> representative ben ra lujan, assistant speaker of the house. thank you very much. e.>> thank you for having >> woodruff: and now, to our other lead story, special counsel robert mueller's indictment of president trump's long-time viser, roger stone, on seven counts. the charges raise new questions about the link beten the trump campaign and wikileaks' efforts to tilt the 2016 election against hillary clinton. nick schifrin reports. >> schifrin: today, outside a florida urtroom, in front of a raucous crowd, the man who brags about having the ear of the president luxuriated in the spotlight. >> the only thing worse than being talked about is not being

talked about. >> schifrin: roger stone l-s surrounded by some wel wishers... >> we stand with you! >> schifrin: ...and a chorus of critics... >> lock him up! schifrin: ...just hours he was arrested in his south florida home, as seen on cnn shortly after that, special counsel robert mueller's office unse charges stone with one count of obstructing an investigation, five counts of false statementsf and one counitness tampering. >> i will plead not guilty to these charges. i will defeat them in court. i believe this is a politically motivated investigation. >> schifrin: the indictment focus on the relationship wi wikileaks head julian assange, and damaging emails released by wileaks: >> wikileaks has released what appears to be transcripts... >> now, these wikileaks're ases have rocked the campaign... >> schifrin: in 2016, wikileaks published emails that u.s. intelligence says were ston, by russia, from clinton campaign chairman john podesta and the d.n.c.

today's indictment suggests the trump campaign was aware of wikileaks' releases beforehand: "stone spoke to senior trump campaign officials about organization 1"-- a reference to wikileaks-- "and information it might have had that would be damaging to the clinton campaign," the indictment says. "stone thereafter told the trump campaign about potential future releases of damaging material by organization 1." >> this has nothg to do with the president. >> schifrin: today, white house press secretary sarah sanderstr d to distance the president from the indictment. the president himself tweeted,wi "greatesh hunt in the history of our country! no collusion!, border coyotug dealers and human traffickers are treated better."t nce the mueller investigation began almost two years ago, the president'ser foampaign chair has been convicted; his deputy campaign chair, national security adviser, and personal attorney have pleaded guilty; and now, his long-time political adviser and friend h been charged. >> i made the case that the accusation, that i knew about john podesta's email hacin

advance, was false. >>chifrin: the indictment accuses stone of lying in september 2017 to the house intelligence committee.nt the indictays, "stone made deliberately false and misleading statements to the committee, concernin among other things, his possession of documents, and his communications with the trp campaign." stone claimed he hadn't kept documents or talked with the campaign, but the indiment cites an october 4, 2016 email: "stone told a high-ranking trump campaign official that assange had a serious security concern," but would release "a load of emails every week going forward." just before that, in august 2016, stone praised assange on c-span. >> well, first of all, julian assange is a hero. i think he's taking on the deep state. no, i have not spoken to mr. assange, i have not met with mr. assange. and i never said i had.id i e communicated through an intermediary, somebody who is a mutual friend. >> schifrin: today'stment also accuses stone of trying to

intimidate that intermediary, believed to be comedian randy credico, and trying to get him to lie to congress "on multiple occasions, stone told person 2"-- believed to be credico-- "that person 2 should do a 'frank pentangeli'"... >> i don't know nuttin' about that! >> schifrin: ...a reference to a "godfather ii" character, that tells congresse doesn't know critical information, that he did in fact know.s >> my nameger stone, and i'm an agent provocateur. >> schifrin: stone is a self- proclaimed "dirty trickster," an outspoken fan of former president richard nixon, and a long-time republican prince of the dark arts, or opposition research he documents his style in the 2017 netflix film, "get me roger stone." >> f: example, a stone's rule "it is better to be famous than never be famous at all." >> schifrin: he's known mr. trump for three decades. former trump campaign chairman paul manafort-- who himself appeared in court today on charges brought by robert mueller's investigatn-- described in the same film how close stone was to trump. >> roger's relatiohip with s trump has beeno interconnected that it's hard to define what's

roger and what's donald. on schifrin: today, this lg- time trump confidant said he tuld appear in a d.c. court next week, and vowo keep fighting, as he has been for five decades. and for more, i'm joined now by renato mariotti. he served as a federal prosecutor focusing on whiteco ar crimes, and is now a defense attorney in chicago. thank you very much for joining us today. roger stone was inted today for actions related to the house intelligence committee investigation. doesn't the president and hissp eswoman have a point when they say this isn't about the president or the white house? >> they certainly have a point because the president was not indicted today, and no member of his administration was indicted today, and alsas ou point out, these are crimes that are relayed to roger stone''s obstructive activit the reporting that was gone and

in the video shown of paul manafort, this is a close associate of the president of the united states and, according to the indictment at times, he was taking a direction of senior members to have the president's campaign, erup,his is the cov essentially. this is him trying to hide those activities. >> is there a qustion about why these charges are limited? no talk ofpi cocy, for examiner, not even saying contact with wikilea are illegal? >> sure. i mean, prosecutors, like when i was a former prosecutors, we try to charge narrowly-drawn crimes for a couple of reasons b one, trp is very high. so to prove that. stone conspired with russian intelligence oronspired with wikileaks, you have to prove he agreed with somebody there to commit aherime togwith them beyond a reasonable doubt. that's not easy to do because these are agreements morialized -- that aren' memorialized in written

contracts particularly. be able toeller is to prove a nor narrow crime and in sentencing the judge can consider all of someone's conduct. in federal sentencing laws, the judge is requireto cnsider anything prosecutors can prove d by 51% stand long as they get a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. >> is this sayeing thy're going to put pressure on roger stone to flip? >> one of the key moves is to put as much as pressure on stohe and ge to change his mind. obviously, if the president isfo eagestone not to flip -- he mentioned in the past sto had guts for not flipping, but the pressure isignificant for stone. he's looking at a sentence in the 15 to 21-month range, potentially up to 51 months depending on the guidelines, and

could go up. a search warrant was issued at his house earlier today, mueller is continuing to investigate and could cause others to come forward. if were stone's attorney i would be concerned and is the next option if n indictment. >> what is stone's likely case against the indictment? >> so it will be a challenge for them. if i represented stone, hi first job would be to get him to stop talking. if stone had stopped tal soon as he was under investigation by mueller, he wouldn't be in h mess, because -- he's in this mess because heold lies to the house inteigence committee. so stone continued to talk. he needs to keep his mouth shut. if i was his attorney, frai nkl, ink it will be hard to defend some of these charges unless there is some really unexplained ball to drop here. this looks like pretty damning

evidence. so my focus would be to try to get a pardon from president trump or, alternatively, trying to work out a deal with prosecutors where he would plead guilty to one crime, for example lying to congress, get a cperation deal and get them to agree that there's not a sufficient evidence to inheicate tha physically thrtened credico which would dramatilly increase his sentence. >> renato mariotti, formerfe ral prosecutor, thank you very much. >> thank you.dr >> wf: in the day's other news, the trump administration began returning to mexico any central american migrants who seek legal asylum, while their the policy is being introduced at the san ysidro border crossing in san diego. it does not apply to children traveling alone, or to asylum seekers from mexico. the u.s. has a backlog of more than 800,000 asylum cases, so the wait can take years. there are signs of potential movement toward peace in afghanistan. the taliban today named one of

its co-founderto join negotiations with the united states. and, state department officials told the newshour that the letaliban has agreed not t terrorist groups use afghanistan as a base. in return, other reports say, the u.s. could agree to widraw troops. u.s. diplomats and their families began leaving venezuela today. vans ferried the americans from the u.s. embassin caracas, leaving behind a skeleton staff. president nicolas maduro had ordered all u.s. diplomats to leave. in washingto secretary of state mike pompeo said protecting the diplomats is a top priority. >> u.s. officials that are there, that have now been invited to be there by the interim president juan guaido, have a right. they have the privileges and rights that accrue to having been invited to be there by the duly-credentialed leader of venezuela, and we have every expectation that those rights will continue to be protected. >> woodruff: president maduro ordered the americans to leave

this week, after the u.s. recognized guiado, who is president of the national assembly, as venezuela's leader. meanwhile, u.n. officials said they b forces have killed at leaster 20 protethis week. a brutal cold wave has gripped the u.s. u it brought wind chills as low as 45 degrees below zero to p ats of minneso wisconsin. the arctic air creeping across theea region d an eerie sight, as steam rose above lake michigan. some residents braved the frigid temperatures to catch a glimpse. >> it's so cold! anything that's exposed, anyat exposed skin, what's terrible. so, everythinglse was fine, but my fingers were getting cold because i was taking pictures with my phone, so i had to have my fingers out. you just have to appreciate these days. they're not all the time, so you just have to get out there whe you can. >> woodruff: forecasters warn that even colder temperatures will hit theame region next

week. a heat wave, meantime, is scorching a swath of australia, overloading power grids and fueling fires. temperatures spiked to 123 degrees in adelaidyesterday, and 109 in melbourne today. meanwhile, emergency workers fought wildfires in tasmania. forecasters say this january is on track to be the hottest ever recorded in australia. and, on wall street, stockswe ended thek with a rally, on new optimism about economic growth. the dow jones industrial average gained nearly 184 points to close at 24,737. nasdaq rose 91 points, a the s&p 500 added 22. still to come on the newshour: mark shields and david brooks analyze a packed week of news. how a podcast from inside prison led to the host regaining his freedom. and, much more.

>> woodruff: the federal government shutdown may be ending, but there's been a certain amount of damage and consequences for federal workers,overnment contractors and businesses around the country already. amna nawaz hears about some of that impact and what may linger. >> nawaz: judy, for two weeks now, some 800,000 federal workers have gonwithout paychecks. they will get back pay, but for ma, it's been a tense time with mounting bills and pressures. more than one millio contractors have been feeling that pressure, too. an estimate by bloomberg found contractors may have collectively lost $200 million a day in lost or delayed revenue, with no guarantees about back pay yet. let's hear from a couple of people caught up in all of this. brad hufford is a grant director employed by fema who works in the denver area. and, lajuanna russell is president of business management

associates, a human resources firm that contracts with federal government agencies. welcome to you both. thanks for being here. >> thank you. lajuanna, i want to start with you. when the shutdown was over you elt numb. why was that? >> because i don't know what's going to happen next. this is a three-week, like an interim play. so in three wks, are regoing to be able to go longer? are we going to be back in the same pthsition? e's no telling really what's going to happen. so what do i tell my employees? >> and you have about 90 employees. >> yes. have they been asking questions? >> they're asking questions. they don't know fifth going toe' continue, if going to be without pay again, should we find another job, is our contract still viable, a lot of questions. >> a lot of uncertainty, still. brad, you have gone two pay periods without a pacheck. >> that's correct. you consider yourself one of the lucky ones.

why is that. >> i do consider myself lucky. i was able to have an emergency fund and pay m mortgage out of my savings. >> so there wasn't a terrible financial impact for you. what about four your coluele have they shared they felt tension and pressure? >> yeah, i have an employee of mine that worked for fema less than a year, a lower en-ltel employee, two kids, new house, an it's been terribly impactful on him. >> lajuanna, when yotalking to your colleagues now, you wrote an op-ed about this, about the impact this was having on your business. at was two weeks ago you wrote that, and you said it already had an it. >> yes. at this point, do you know what the full impact has en on your business? >> i honestly do not because i dof t know which or employees we have been talking to them and working with them, but whenhe government is furloughed, we're furloughed, so the employees that wereey impacted, ave been

furloughed. so have they found other jobs? we have been talking to them an they say, , no, we're coming back and will continue work. but monday morning, this is almost panic weekend for us, we're callingverybody, maing sure everything is good, because we don't know because people have to continue to live. >> in other words, you don't know if you will be able to pick up your basines where it was? >> exactly. we've already lost hundreds of thousands of dollars, so what at really mean? i haven't even been able to ualculate that yet. >> you mention ye also been trying to help some to have the employees in the interim. tell me act that. >> yeah, it's humanity, right. it's just i'm not able to give you your full paycheck, but i can advance you some p.t.o., which is personal time off, as we sent gift cards, you kn to -- like american express gift cards so they can go anywhere, if they need to buy food, if they need to buy just medicine. people are choosing between do i pay rent or buy medicine for my children, so that gift card will

at least enable them to dod something ontinue their lives in some kind of a fashion. >> paychecks aside, brad, the actual work that you do, emergency management, is of critical importance. out that. what has been the impact of being furloughed for the last five weeks on the work that you left off. >> so the day-to-day work, i work as a grants division director, so the grants have non beenitored this time -- for this time, and that puts us bind for the year in making sure that our cants are being takre of and that that money is being spent as it's intended to be spent. >> in the meantime, are you worried about projects tbalg failing by the wayside, about lapses? >> yes, we'll have to look at it and, when we get back, make a plan to make sure tt we're doing all of the things that we're supposed to do for this year. and then, again, as discussed, we could be in theame boat again in three weeks.

>> so now that you know you will get back pay, do you feel like it's worth it, like it never happened? >> i don't believe it's not like it never happened to me. however, i will take money to replenish my emergency fund in case we're back in this position again. >> what about you? obviously we don't yet know if there's going to be back pay in some way tore contractors and lisa desjardins reported earlied it's consideration. if that happens, would that make you whole? would that allow ystu juo move on? >> no, not really. t really because i think that, you know, when you have individuals who m have ready been on some level of ai financial s, getting the money in a month from when they should have had the money to pay the mortgage on their home may not sae their home you know, you never know what type of situation that an individual is in, and we, obviously, don't get into that as an emi ployer, but ways think about it in the back of my head, we don't know whe

someone is, how someone is living and to not have their pay for two whole cycles, that's a big, big impact. a big impact. >> does it sound like the announcement today has brought you much relief? >> you know, the announcement today has brought me a little relief from the perspecti of -- from the op-ed, yount ned the op-ed and, you know, when you do things like that, you get positive and negative feedback. asreceived a phone call in my office, luckily it there, but the individual left a message and basically said, youo know, t want my tax dollars spent like this, so i'm kind of glad, and i thought about that and said, wow, there's so much uneducation in america anpeople don understand how government really works and how it impacts them day to day, and maybe this kind of does show people how government truly works and it impacts you day to day whether you're sitting in the middle of washington, d.c. or not, and that there's going to be some

level of education and undersnding in terms of that day-to-day impact and what you really are using these servic for. >> need a little bit of understanding out of all of this. >> yeah.an la russell, brad hufford, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. very iach. we appr it. >> woodruff: now to the analys of shields and brooks. that is syndicated columnist mark shields, and "new york times" columnist david brooks. hello to both yo of you. we meet just a matter of hour mark, since the president announced that he was going to go along with the democraticho plan in the term just to get the government back open. but we just heardna speaking to these two, the federal employee brad hufrd, lajuanna russell who's a contractor, you get a sans that this really di

harm people. t a 35 days, it wasn't jus blip, it was something that affected people's lives. >> i don't think there's any question, judy, and, particularly, with the push by vice president cheney, endorsed by republicans and not totally reenticed democrats torivatize by contract the feder responsibilities, these people are not federal employees and won't be reimburse ford the time off, time out of work. so i think, you know, its being felt everywhere, and i was capped by wilbur ross, the secretary of commerce, his absolutely insensitive remarks about why don't you jst take a loan. a table loan? that's a pretty good deal, thy dismantle the consumer protection agency andc mik mulvaney, 35% interest a week interest. so it hurts, this pain all the way around.

>> woodruff: david, what about that? we heard ms. russell say at the end, if nothing else, mybe the public gets a little bit of an education about what the federal government mans. >> more on the conservative size, not a gigantic fan of it but always admired federal workes. when you inside the federal agencies, you see how high quality the pople are. i talked to brad backstage and he's traveling a lot for fema, ing to where people need, living out of a suitcase for a government worker and the citizens and the peoplesa ifice. i recommend a podcast by michael lewis on th national weather service. you see on his podcast ho fanatical they are about trying to gethe weaer forecast correctly. they're making public sector incomes. the people who do this wrk are dedicated to the work. >> woodruff: makes a difference. so let talk about this agreement or temporary

agreement, mark. three weeks, no money in thereth foe border wall, but the president is now saying i want it, it's got to bee t rreh o permanent funding deal. >> very respected national republican said to me this afternoon, everybody knows what happened -- five weeks and the president got nothing, was a cave, a total fod aginst speaker pelosi and chuck schumer not doing a victory dance in the end zone or spiking the ball today and being rather geous in their remarks, but this was a total -- i mean, the president insisted and demanded the money for the wall. it's not in it. he demanded to speak to the nation in the house chamber, the majestic, historic setting, not lansing or charleston, west virginia, that was offered to him, he didn't get it. it was a total defeat for him and, believe me, judy, there

will not be the will among republicans in three weeks to go back and do ths again. once it's opened, it's going to be opened. >> woodruff: what's that mean, david? >> agree with that totally. a total victory. so much for the remarks on the super bowl, theemocrats have this big triumph, he paid his do you see. but it is a total victory to the dei crats. rned on some conservative talk radio, the sean hannity show this afternoon, and sean was trying to defend it, but his callers were having none of it.o theyht this was a collapse, a defeat, we're really downhearted, and they unerdood what happened, the poll ratings were terrible, his poll ratingsr ped to 37%, one poll said 34% which is an all-time low, and now they're likely to be a little lower because now his base is a little upset with m, and you think three weeks in advance, i will say this to federal rks, the democrats are feeling great about themselves. if donald trump wants to bring this on again, they're happye

if theblicans are miserable, they never want to come back to where they are right now, so the odds we'll have another shutdown strike me as low, and for trump it would se suicidally low to try thi again. >> woodruff: but me's sticking, mark. the president right now is saying i'm going to hae money for the wall. >> he is saying that.st o pick up on one point david made, marquet university poll, which is a respected pol in wisconsin, reported not only simply 29% supported the shutdown and 66% opposed i but an important question came out this week the results, 27 would definitely vote to rereflect donald trump. twenty-seven%. and 49% would definitely vote for anybody else. >> this is a state he won. a state carried and a state yesterday where ron johnson, the republican nator, chastised and publicly scolded the republican senate ader mitch mcconnell for allowing this to happen.

so if one wants to se how things do develop here in washington and we do listen toe ople back home, i think this is a case of the republicans listening to the people back home. >> mcconnell was ace masterp in i had nothing to do this. he said this happened in somese other univit wasn't me. nobody wants to be associated with this. >> he had no next ve. i mean, donald trump -- >> woodruff: he didt have an alternative. >> he had no alternative. the difference is, in real estate, with respect to the, professitell david, you know, we just had the plumbing done a year and a half, although the ro is in a great shape, it's a one off deal, if it's not david, i was dealing with mr. x. in politics, your word is the ng you have. you're seeing the same colleagues every day, and if the word gets outcahat shield't

be trusted, that shields doesn't keep his word, then you're deada meat i legislative body, no one's going to trust you. donald trump doesn't understand that. we comes out of real estate, you cut the deal, then you move on. but now he's got the same people he'sealing with. and part of mitch mcconnell'sty midty beyond national caution is he was terrified.he >> woodruff:s still the president, david. he's still got a republican senate. >> right, but i'm not sure how many of them will want to walk into any difficult confrontation with him. just as mark said, it's always heeat to declare a shutdown because you getirst burst of, yeah, we're really standing up. but to have step three, four, five, and you have to have erpath to victory. in every govent shutdown from the ted cruz one to this one, they've never had a path te there, and it's always hurt the side that instigated it. >> woodruff: let's talk about the other big story today, david, and that is roger stone,

the president's long-time friend, con phi cant, we have been expecting this would happen, but today, early this morning, the f.b.i. agents showed up at s house in florida with guns drawn, banging on the door, knock tong door, and he's been indicted in charges of perjury, obstruction of justice. where are we in the mueer investigation? there's still much we do not know. >> i know roger stone had the unique pleasure of having known roger sto since 1971, ch is 48 years. roger has -- was always a political idealist.as he working for richard nixon doing dirty tricks at age 20. roger passed through the idealistic stage somewhere around recess, and has been there ever since. what came to me today was the subtlety of roger's, ive er

turned on one of my oldest and dearest friends, and all i could think of, pardon me boy, is this where you get a presidential pardon. it's serious. when we were lking about earlier in the segment with yamiche and lisa, when you getpr thsident's personal attorney, the national security advisor, campaign management,e puty campaign management, old dear friend crony, and roger's idol was royhen, and roy, you've got to say, has been faithful to him. >>oodruff: david, what ar we left with? >> well, one, you have to bow down in admr iration e audacity of his lying. one of the things he told thewa house committethat he'd never had any contact ever in text or email with this randy credico, this talk show host, and texted him 30 times that day. a lot of people are dishonest

but that's super perjury. so he is what he i. as for the larger where this takes us in the investigation, am not sure where it tkes us. why would the trump white house be trying to get information out of stone, trying to ttalk tohe talk show host and wikileaks, trying to talk to ruia, if they actually had a challenge russia -- >> woodruff: the campaign. the campaign, that they challenged russia and mastermind colluded with russia tolecl aff the election. first, the other thing we saw today i don't think they're master minder and why are they taking a back route to beg forfo the ation if they had the channel? it may be they're a bunch of bu blears that did bad and illegal stuff, but the big collusion story may not be the case though. we don't know. >> woodruff: or that this was the channel or just a bifurcated channel that went in different directions

>> different avenues in. but it's serious stuff, make no mistake about it. >> woodruff: and the president, can he dirtilyay today -- the white house said today this has nothing to do with us, that this happened, we see it, but it didn't touch anybody in the white huse. >> yeah, i mean, it goes through the litany, judy, of the people close to the president who already pleaded guilty, it s circumstantial. if i go to sleep tonight and the ground is bare and i wake up tomorrow and there's six inches of snow but i didn't see it ow, it's pretty strong evidence it snowed overnight. you have to look at the the accumulation of the blizzard of indictments. that's a bad metaphor, isn't it? >> woodruff: but just quily, david, we wait, we don't know. there's so much we still do not know. >> woodruff: a -- and it's consuming theid prcy and when the house

investigatory committee getg goat will consume what's left of the organization in the white house. >> he took on s francisco democrat and found out indianapolio -- fundout nancy pn her spine. >> woodruff: that's the president. mark shields, david brooks, thank you. >> thank you. >> woodruff: we return now to a story we first brought you in 2017, about a podcast produced entirely from san quentin prison. one of the show's co-hosts wasle ed in november, after serving more than 20 years behindowars. jeffrey went back to california to catch up with him and find out what's next for the hit podcast. >> brown: all right, so this is really different from when we wereast together. >> yeah! this is-- you know, you was like... brown: yeah. >> but now, it like... ( ep breath ) >> brown: for earlonne woods, the "routines" of daily life are

anything but. these days, he chooses when to wash the dishes, check emails, pack a lunch. no more tiny cell, hordes of other men, strip searche some of his biggest concerns now are simple, and relatable to all. >> no lie-- i've been out maybe 40 days? i've put on 10 pounds. >> brown: 10 pounds? >> i've been looking to lose about 30 pounds for at least 20 years. so i'm goingo get there. >> brown: now it's 40 pounds. ( laughter ) sorry... we first met woods in 2017when he was an inmate at san quentin prison. he was serving a 31-year-to-life sentence for attempted second degree robbery. and, along with san francisc based artist nigel poor, he was the co-host of "ear hustle"-- the hit prx podcast produced entirely from san quentin that gave a rare and intimate feel for life behind bars.

>> brown: with an on-airifapport like long friends, the pair gathered stories and interviewsh from inmates iyard. the show picked up millions of listeners over three seasons, and covered everything from cemates to death row. but perhaps the show's biggest moment came this past november: >> we got some breaking news, )arlonne. ( laughter it's the day before thanksgiving, and today you got some amazing news. >> after 21 years in prison, governor brown, the great governor of california... >> absolutely! >> ...decided that i served enough time in california state

prison, and he commuted my sentence. b wn: woods has been paroled to oakland, where he's received housing through "re-store justice," a non-profit that works on criminal justice form. even his daily commute is a novelty. >> i take it in.bs i sit here andve. >> brown: in his commutation letter, jerry brown, who just finished his tenure governor, said woods "set a positive example for his peers and, through his podcast, has sharedi meaningful sto from those inside prison." it says mr. woods is "rly no longer the man he was when he committed this crime." >> right. >> brown: true? >> very true. very true. when i got locked up in 1997, my mind-- it was just like a light switst, just flipped. like, i'm done with that side of life. i'm done with the crime, i'm ith the gangs, i'm done with everything. you know, i'm just going to move forward in my life and just do me today, i'm probably back that eight-year-old dude i used tokn

, you know, but i'm just older now, and so i'm back to my auentic self. ( laughter ) >> brown: that "authentic self" is clearly what appealed to so many listeners of "ear hustle," d woods now has a full-time position with prx toontinue working on the podcast. he'll be based at the offices of eveal" at the center for investigative reporting in emeryvillecalifornia. nigel poor will keep going to san quentin, working with a new co-host and new challenges. in what ways do you see it changing the podcast? >> this is the thing i think about-- there's actually something that is beneficial about working with a lot of constraints, and inside prison obviously there's so many restrictions. and i think that forces you to be really creative and problem solve.ha i like workingway. >> brown: and that's what you've been dealing with for the last few years. >> yes. >> brown: and now?wi >> and nowout that, i do wonder how-- for me, the

challenge is going to be, how do we keep e intimacy of the project? now that we literally have the world in front of both of us, to do various things with >> brown: one issue the two will is based on wood's new reality: the process of re-entry to society. and on the day we visited, woods and poor were tweaking their scripts for a special "ear hustle" episode featuring an interview with governor brown, recorded after the commutation. >> brown: tham was also learning the ins and outs of a new recording studio-- one far from the media center at san quentin.ht >> all rcome on now. tell me how it feels being in here. d well, i mean, it feels cool. we back to what so, you ready? >> all right, partner.

>> you're listening to a special, unplanned, abbreviated episode of "ear hustle." >> brown: you'veot to think about "ear hustle" podcasts in a different way, i guess? >> yes, i think so. part of what iatever paid ntion to is that we humanize people. you know, we were just going in to tell stories, you know, not l reallyooking at it like, "oh, this is a sequestered population that don't too many people know about."i anink it's the same way out here, is that re-entry is a part of the population, and a lot of people don't know about. >> brown: on the podcau've explored this idea often, the sense of loss. you know, that shame of lost time, lost connections. f do yl now like you have to make up for lost time? >> not at all. >> brown: no? >> not at all. if i do make up for any loss, it's with my immediate family. you know, the time that i've been gone, the time een away-- my mother just turned 70i my missito spend time with her.

i'm not trying to go too fast, to catch up with something tt i've missed or nothing. and i'm just waking up every day enjoying the facthat i'm waking up free. >> brown: when we talked at san quentin, asked you about victims of crimes. >> right. >> brown: how should they feel, look, watching you and watching what you were doing at san quentin and watching you now? >> when people come to jail, they have to rehabilitate himself, they have to change their thinking, their mindset. and i believe that as far as me... if a person is looking at me, they're saying, "okay, wells heoing the right stuff. he's doing all the right things to get out of prison. he got out.t, got ot a job. he's going on about his life."op so i wouldthat they're looking at me like, "okay, if there was a lesson to be learned, he learned his lesson." so i would hope that that's how they see it. >> brown: for the pbs newshour, i'm jeffrey brown in oakland, california.

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