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congress quickly moved to make it happen. a >> i am proud ounce today that we have reached a deal to end the shutdown and reopen the federal government. >> woodruff: presidential confirmation came in the white house rose garden, with his own cabinet members and staffers looking on. >> this is an opportunity for all parties to work together for the benefit of our whole, beautiful, wonderful nation. if we make a fair deal, the american people will be proud of their government for proving that we can put country before party. >> woodruff: under the compromise, government operations are funded through february 1 and federal workers get back pay. congress will negotiate on border security, but there is no funding-- so far-- for t border wall that mr. trump has atmanded. he insisted today e is not giving up on that demand:

>> if we don't get aonair deal fromess, the government will either shut down on february 15 again, or i will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and the constitution of e united states to addre this emergency. >> woodruff: at the capitol, democratic leaders welcomed the development. >> as the democrats have said all along, the solution to this impasse was separate funding for the government, and then go over our disagreements with border security. ultimately, this agreement endorses our position. >> i do have to say i' optimistic. i see every challenge or crisis as an opportunity. and hopefully that'll make everybody come together in a way that is unifying for our country. >> woodruff: all of this came on htday when commercial flig disruptions added to pressure t ene shutdown. there were delays up to 90 minutes at new york's laguardia airport, at newark, new jersey,p and in philaa.

officials blam a spike in air traffic controllers not showing up for work in washington and in jacksonville, florida. both are major hubs for flightco rol. the disruption hit as controllers and thousands of other fedel employees missed a second paycheck today. f d, the "washington post" reported thousandsployees at the internal revenue service haveot been showing up, despite being ordered back to work. now, some 800,000 federal employees can look forward to returninto work, with pay, for at least the next three weeks. and we turn now to our own yamiche alcindor and lisa desjardins for more on today's sudden end to the shutdown. to, yamiche, to you first, the president has said wor 35 days ld not give in unless there were wall funding. what made him change his mind?>>

t's clear the president completely gave in on democratic for 35 days he said i'm not opening up the government without wall funding and today he did just that. white house tells me president was moved because rank and filetimes said they assured him they were going to vote for wall funding for him down the line. that said, they won't exactlymo name the ats, so it's hard to check whether or not that's cleath we knoe was pressure mounting on president trump. first, the polls were showing the majorityof amricans were blaming donald trump and republicans for thehu stdown. there was also this idea that these issues at the airport were really coming to a fever pitch and unions were saying safety sat risk here. olastly, of course, the be, federal workers missed another paycheck today and people were wondering when is this finally going to end. the white house tells me fderal workers will be paid within four to five days, so the president was back into a corner and caved. woodruff: so, lisa, what's

a democrat's view of this? how do they belve this cae around and what is the game plan for the next three weeks? >> democrats say they were incredibly unified, even though they had some disagreements over the strategy withitheir conference and caucuses, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer said they managed to get all the democrats together this tow the line strategy they had. in addition, next, we talked about thrde security task force, it's a conference committee that we've alrseady knowven senators have been named to that group. they have unt filebruary 15t february 15th to try to work out a deal. interesting, though, southern senators, none of them represent a southern bordewestate. ill see if there are any other representatives of the southern border state whn the house names it's republicans ant democrats y to work out a deal. house speaker pelosi's offic a sent o note what they think here and wrote specifically the ntspeaker kept the presiff balance by incesting that the state of the union be held after

the shutdown was over. update on that, house speaker pelosi said today still there no date for the shutdown. she was sorry forf the state the union, and we are told people here it is almost logistically impossible for it to happen next tesday. chances sit will be delayed. i spoke to chuck schumer to ask them about federal contractors who are n t set tot backpay. they both side it was on their minds d were worng to do something for them. >> woodruff: yamiche, you said the president is counting on democratic support for border wall money. what happens if if he doesn't get that? what are you hearing agent the white house and do they think this affects the relationship wi o thether party going forward? >> well, for 35 days,um president has been dangling this idea that he would declare national eme. now we know for 21 more days he will dangle that same national

emergency. he says he's going totry to work with democrats but that, if he cannot reach a deal where wie get funding for the wall, that he will declare a national emergency. it's important to note that the president taking that step would not just be a big dealecaus of the way he would get the money, it will be a big deal because it will set the tone for the way he will deal th a democratic house. he's had all sorts of issues dealing with democrats and says now i might declare an emergency. some people wonder will heti declare a al emergency for infrastructure or other things. ge's important to note the president is alsting pushback from the deal he struck today, thervonive writer and author ann coulter tweeted as a wimp.president so the president is thinking how am i going to strategize and deal wioth democratsng forward. >> woodruff: fast-moving events. lisa desjardins, yamiche alcindor, thank you both.

and we get reaction now from a member of the s. house leadership. democratic representative ben ray lujan of new mexico, who is assistant speaker. representative lujan, hello and welcome to the "newshour". what's your reaction to all this president's moving as he did on the shutdown? >> well, judy, thank you forha ng me today. look, well, i think that we're all movinforward, now th the president has finally agreed to open up the government. this could have happened 34 days ago. this ivery resembling a deal that was put forth before the shutdown began back in december. nonetheless, what's most important about this is that federal employees are going to be paid, services areng go come back to life. the safety that we hard about with the concerns coming from air traffic controlle, flight attendants and other federal employees surrounding our nation's skies is sohing we can now move forward swiftly to

make sure everyone is safe again. but i'll tell you, just this last week, having had a chance to go an participate with a chef at his food pantry, seeing the number of federal employees that had to me in to be able to find that next meal, there is concern with how peple were treated during all of this, and what i would just suggest, the lack of empathy that existed thin the adistration, the president himself. >> woodruff: well, let me askyo ator chucksen schumer, minority senator of the senate, say today he hopes the president learned a less son does all the blame lie on the president for this? >> well, the president invited the cameras into the e with speaker pelosi and chuck schumer, then minority leader pelosi, but the president said himself that he would take full responsibility for the shutdown, and i think that, abthsolutely,

president needs to own up to that fact. it was during the time that republicans controlled the house and the senate, and then beginning day one, on the house floor, after we elected indianapolis speaker of the house, we beg to move different pieces of legislation including continuing resolutions to open uphe government. but this is about looking forward, notruack. >> wo: let me ask you about that because the president said today that he is going toou insist, etch t he didn't get it in his temporary agreement, he's going to insist that there is some money for a physical barrier ae border in a permanent funding agreement. e democrats prepared to go along with some money for that? c>> well, i have been veear about my position on this. i do not support the president's wall. i believe that it's a third century solution. is any portion of the wal what i'm asking. go ahead. >> tre are many areas where we should fiend agreement between democrats and republicans, even that the president has stated

pertaining to border security. democrats have laid out a very aggressive modern, effective infrastructure plan that foces directly on our port of entry, using technology to scan the vehicles and cargo containers toat are coming in to america, understanding thatddress the concern that we all have, including the psident of the ited states, with the flow of narcotics coming into the united states, 90% of the heroin, 88% of the cocaine, 80% of the methamphetamines come to the ports. so let's make those investments looking there in addition to the 3,000 vacancies with customs agents and also judges. >> woodruff: i ubuerstand thatthe president says that part of that formula, part of it is money for a physical barrier. at one point, democrats appeared to be ready to come to agree to, what is it, $1.3 billion for a sysical barrier. is that willingneill there? >> judy, again, i have been very clear about my position. i tonight support the president's wall.

>> woodruff: so not a penny? not a dollar. >> i do not support the ny,sident's wall, not one pen not one dollar, but what i do believe is that we where we will find common ground is making investments that are modern, effective, pertain to border security and more attention to t not jue ports of entry on the southern border but the northern border and water port and airports. >> woodruff: so does that mean at the end of three weeks we could be right back where we are now if the presint continues to insist as he is now that there be some money in here. the president in remarks at the rose garden today himself threatened another shutdown. he himself sd he could be at a anandstill at the end of the three-week period,when he suggested he may declare an emgency which again will b filled with challenges, but, nonetheless, how can we move foard in a bipartisan way make sure we're making strong investment as it comes to

modernizing our border, and i believe that's what democrats have laid out, and will continue to see that in the upoming days. >> do you see any give on the part of the democrahe? >> i thinkemocrats are willing to work with the president and with our republican counterparts in the house and the senate when it comes to a modern infrastructure packe, especially that pertains to border security, and i'm looking forward to a robust conversation about that, and let's see where we land up. >> representative ben ray lujan, assistant spker of the house. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. a >> woodruf now, to our other lead story, special counsel bert mueller's indictment of president trump's long-time adviser, roger stone, on seven counts. the charges raise new questions about the link between the trump campaign and wikileaks' efforts to tilt the 2016 election against hillary clinton. nick schifrin reports. >> schifrin: today, outside a florida courtroom, in front of a raucous crowd, the man who bragu having the ear of the president luxuriated in the spotlight. o >> ty thing worse than being talked about is not being

talked about. >> schifrin: roger stone was surroued by some well- shers... >> we stand with you! >> schifrin: .and a chorus of critics... >> lock him up! >> schifri ...just hours afteras herrested in his south ida home, as seen on cnn shortly after that, special counsel robert mueller's office unsealed an chdictment that ges stone with one count of obstructing an investigation, five counts of false statements, and one count of witness tampering. >> i will plead noguilty to these charges. i will defeat them in cot. i believe this is a politically motivated investigation. >> schifrin: the indictment focuses on the relationship with wikileaks head julian assange, and damaging emails released by wikileaks: >> wikilea has released what appears to be transcripts... >> now, these wikileaks'es releave rocked the campaign... >> schifrin: in 2016, wikileaks published emails that u.s. intelligence says were stolen, by russia, from clton campaign chairman john podesta and the d.n.c.

today's indictment suggests the trump campaign was aware of wikileaks' releases beforehand: "stone spoke to senior trump campaign officials about organization 1"-- a reference to wikileaks-- "and information it might have had that would be damaging to the clinton campaign," the indictment says. "stone thereafter told the trump campaign about potential future releases of damaging material ba orgaon 1." >> this has nothing to do with the president. >> schifrin: today, house press secretary sarah sanders tried to distance the president from the indictment. the president himself tweeted,hu "greatest witc in the history of our country! d collusion! border coyotes, drlers and human traffickers are treated better."e but sie mueller investigation began almost two years ago, the president'spa former cn chair has been convicted; his deputy campaign chair, national sendrity adviser,ersonal attorney cave pleaded guilty; and now, his long-time poliadviser and friend has been charged. e>> i made the case that accusation, that i knew about john podesta's email hack in

advance, was false. >> schifrin: the indictment accuses stone of lying in september 2017 to the house "telligence committee. the indictment sayone made deliberately false and misleading statements to the committee, concerning, among other things, his possession of documents, and his communications with the trump campaign." stone claimed he hadn't ke documents or talked with the campaign, but the indictment cites an october 4, 2016 email: "stone told a high-ranking trump campaign official that assange had a serious security concern," but would release "a load of emails every week going forward." just before that, in august 2016, stone praised assange on c-span. >> well, first of all, julian assange is a hero. nothink he's taking on the deep state. i have not spoken toe, mr. assa have not met with mr. assange. and i never said i had.mm i said we icated through an intermediary, somebody who is a mutual friend. en schifrin: today's indic also accuses stone of trying to

intimidate that intermediary, believed to be comedian randyed o, and trying to get him to lie to congress. "on multiple occasions, stsoe told p2"-- believed to be credico-- "that person 2 should do a 'frank pentangeli'"... >> i don't know nuttin' about that! >> schifrin: ...a reference to a "godfather ii" character, that tells congress he doesn't know critical information, that he. did in fact kn >> my name is roger stone, and i'm an agent provocateur. >> schifrin: stone is a self- proclaimed "dirty trickster," an outspoken fan of former president richard nind a long-time republican prince of the dark arts, or opposition research. he documents his style in the 2017 netflix film, "get me roger stone." >> for example, a stone's rule: "it is better to be infamo than never be famous at all." >> schifrin: he's known mr. trump for three decades. former trump campaign chairman paul manafort-- who himself appeared in court today on charges brought by robert mueller's investigation-- described in the same film how close stone was to trump. >> roger's relationship th trump has been so interconnected that it's hard to define what's

roger and what's donald. >> schrin: today, this long- time trump confidant said he would appear in a d.c. court next week, and vowed to keep fighting, as he has been for five decades. and for more, i'm joined now by he served as a federal prosecutor focusing on whiteri collars, and is now a defense attorney in chicago. thank you very much for joining us today. rogetostone was indicteday for actions related to the house intelligence committee investigation. doesn't the president and his spokeswoman have a point when they say this isn'about the veesident or the white house? >> they certainly point because the president was not indicted today, and no member of his administration was indicted today, and also,u as yo point out, these are crimes that are relayed to roger stone''s obstructive activity. the reporting that was gone and

in the video shown of paul manafort, this is a closeci ase of the president of the united states and, according to the indictment at times, he was taking actions dider the ction of senior members to have the president's camd paign, anis is the coverup, essentially. this is him trying to hide those activities. >> is there a question out why these charges are limited? no talk offo conspiracyr examiner, not even saying contact with wikileaks are illegal? >> surn, i mea prosecutors, like when i was a former prosecutors, we ty to charge narrowly-drawn crimes for a couple of reasons.rp one, the bu is very high. so to prove that mr. stone conspired with russian intelligence or conspired with wikileaks, you have to prove he agreed with somebody there to commit a crimtogether th them beyond a reasonable doubt. that not easy to do because these are agreements memoriized -- that aren't memorialized in written

contracts particularly. so here mueller is to be ae to prove a nor narrow crime and in sentencing the judge can consider all of someone's conduct. s in federntencing laws, the judge is required to consider anything prosecutors can prove by 5on% standard asas they get a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt. >> is this saying they're going to put pressure on roger stone to flip? >> one of the key moves is to put as much as pressure on stone d.d get him to change his min obviously, if the president is eager for stone not to flip -- he mentioned in the past stoned ts for not flipping, but the pressure is siificant for stone. he's looking at a sentence in the 15 to 2mo-h range, tentially up to 51 months depending on the guidelines, and

could go up. a search warrant was issued at his house earlier today, mueer is continuing to investigate and could cause others to come foard. if i were stone's attorney i would be concerned and flipping is the nexttion if no indictment. >> whais stone's lely case against the indictment? >> so it will be a challenge for them. if i represented stone, hi first job would be to get him to stop talking. if stone had stopped talking aon s he was under investigation by mueller, he wouldn't be in h mess, because -- he's in this mess because he told lies to the house intelligence committee. so stone continued to talk. he needs to keep his mth shut. if i was his attorney, frankit, i thinill be hard to defend some of these chargesss unhere is some really unexplained ball to drop here. thisooks like pretty damning

evidence. so my focus would be to try to get a pardon from president trump or, alternatively, trying to work out a deal with prosecutors where he would plead guilty to one crime, for example lying to congress, get a cooperati deal and get them to agree that there's not a sufficient evidence to indicate at he physically thrdeate credico which would dramaticall increase his sentence. >> renato mariotti, former federal prosecutor, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> woodruff: in the day's other news, the trump administration began returning to mexico any central american migrants who seek legal asylum, while their casethare processed. policy is being introduced at the san ysidro border crossing in san diego. d s not apply to children traveling alone, or to asylum seekers from mexico.e s. has a backlog of more than 800,000 asylum cases, so the wait can take years. there are signs of potential movement toward peace in afghanistan. the taliban todanamed one of

its co-founders to join negotiations with the united stes. and, state department officials told the newshour that the talibahas agreed not to let terrorist groups use afghanistan as a base. in return, other reports say, the u.s. could agree to withdraw troops. u.s. diplomats and their families began leaving venezuela today. vans ferried the americans from the u.s. embassy invi caracas, l behind a skeleton staff. president nicolas maduro had ordered all u.s. diplomats to leave. in washington, secrery of state mike pompeo said protecting the diplomats is a top priority. >> u.s. officials that are there, that have now been invited to be there by the interim president juan guaido, have a right. they have the privileges and rights that accrue to having been invited to be there by the duly-credentialed leader ofve zuela, and we have every expectation that those rights will continue to be protected. >> woodruff: president maduro ordered the americans to leave

this week, after the u.s. iocognized guiado, who is president of the nl assembly, as venezuela's leader. idanwhile, u.n. officials they believe maduro's security forces have killed at leastis 20 protesters eek. a brutal cold wave has gripped the u.s. upper mitwest tonight. rought wind chills as low as is degrees below zero to parts of minnesota andnsin. the arctic air creeping across the region created an eerie sight, as steam rose above lake michig. some residents braved the frigid temperatures to catch a glimpse. >> it's so cold! anything that's exposed, any exposed skin, that'ss terrible. so, everything else s fine, but my fingers were getting cold because i was taking pictures with my phone, so i had to have my fingers out. you just have to appreciate these days. theye not all the time, so y just have to get out there when you can. >> wdruff: forecasters warn that even colder temperatures will hit the same region next

week. a heat wave, meantime, is scorching a swath of australia, overloading power grids and fueling fires. temperatures spiked to 123 degrees in adelaide yesterday, and 109 in melbourne today. meanwhile, emergency workers fought wildfires in tasmania. forecasters say this january is on track to be the hottest ever recorded in australia. h d, on wall street, stocks ended the week wita rally, on new optimism about economic growth. the dow jones industrial average gained nearly 184 points to close at 24,737. the nasdaq ose 91 points, and the s&p 500 added 22. still to come on the newshour: mark shields and david brooks analyze a packed week of news. how a podcast from inside prison led to the host regaining his freedom. and, much more.

>> woodruff: the federal government shutdown may be ending, but there's been a certain amount of damage and consequences for federal workers, government contractors and businesses around the country already. amna nawaz hears about some of that impact and what may linger. >> nawaz: judy, for two weeks now, some 800,000 federal workers have gone without paychecks. they will get back pay, but for many, it's been a tense time with mounting bills and pressures. more than one million contractors have been feeling that pressure, too. an estimate by bloomberg found contractors may have collectively lost $200 million a day in lost or delayed revenue, with no guarantees about back pay yet. let's hear from a couple of people caught up in all of this. brad hufford is a grant director employed by fema who works in the denver area.ss and, lajuanna l is president of business management

associates, a human resourcesha firmcontracts with federal government agencies. thanks for being here. >> thank you. lajuanna, i want to start with you. when the shutdown was over you said you felt nmb. y was that? >> because i don't know what's going to happen next. this is a three-week, like an interim play. so in three weeks, are regoing to be able to go longer? are we going to be back in the same posion? there'no telling really what's going to happen. so what do i tell my employees? >> and you have about 90 employees. >> yes. have they been asking questions? >> they're asking questions. they don't know fifth going to continue, if we're go be without pay again, should we find another job, is our contract still viable, a lot of questions. >> a lot of uncertainty, still. brad, twu have gone o pay periods without eca pay >> that's correct. you consider yourself one of the lucky ones.

why is that. >> i do consider mysf lucky. i was able to have an emergency fund and pay my mortgage out of my s.vin >> so there wasn't a terrible financial impact for you. what about four your colleagues? have they shared they felt tension and preure? >> yeah, i have an employee of mine that worked form feless than a year, a lower entry-level employee, two kids, new house, an it's been terribly impactful on him. >> lajuanna, when you're talking to your colleagues now, you wrote an op-ed about this, about the impact this was having on your bassiness. thatwo weeks ago you wrote that, and you said it already had n impact. >> yes. at this point, do you know what the full impact has been on your business? >> i honestly do not because i don't know which of our employees we have been talking to them and working with them, but when the government is furloughed, we're furloughed, so bee employees that were impacted, they hav

furloughed. so have they foundther jobs? we have been talking to them and they say, no, no, we're coming back and will continue work. but monday morning, this is almost panic weekend for us, we're calling everybody, making sure everything is good, because we don't know because people have to continue to live. >> in other words, you don't know iu will be able to pick up your business back where it was? >> exactly. we've already lost hundreds of thousands of dollars, so what does that really mean? i haven't even been able to calculate that yet. s>> you mention you've o been trying to help some to have the employees in the interim. tell me act that. >> yeah, it's humanity, right. it's just i'm not able to give you your full paycheck, butn i vance you some p.t.o., which is personal time off we sent gift cards, you know, to -- like american express git cards so they can go anywhere, if they need to buy food, if they need to buy just medicine. people are choosing beten do i pay rent or buy medicine for my children, so that gift card will

at least enable them to do something and continue their lives in some kind of a fashion. >> paychecks aside, bd, the actual work that you do, emergency management, is ofcr ical importance. tell me about that. what has been the impact of being furloughe for t last five weeks on the work that you left off. >> so theda day-twork, i work as a grants division director, so theants have not ten monitored this time -- for this time, andhat puts us bind for the year in making sure that our grants are being taken care of and that that money is being spent as it's intended to be spent. >> in the meantime, are you worried about projects tbalge failing by t wayside, about lapses? >> yes, we'll have to look at it and, when we get back, make a plan to make sure that we're doing all of the things that we're supposed to do for this year. and then, again, as discussed, we could be in the same boat again in three weeks.

yo>> so now thau know you will get back pay, do you feel like it's worth it, like it never happened? >> i don't believe it's not like it never happened toe. however, i will take this money to replenishuy emergencyd in case we're back in this position again. >> what about you? obviously we don't yet know if there's going to be back pay in some way tore contractors an lisa desjardins reported earlier it's under consideration. if that happens, would that make you whole? would that allow you just to move on? >> no,ot really. not really because i think that, you know, when you hve individuals who may have already been on some level of a financial crisis, getting the money in a month from when they should have had the money to pay the mortgage on their home may not save their home. you know, you never knowhat type of situation that an individual is in, and we, obously, don't get into that as an employer, but i always think about it in the back of my head, we don't know where someone is, how someone is

lihng and to not haveeir pay for two whole cycles, that's a big, big impact. a big impact. >> does it sound like the announcement today has brought you much reief? >> you know, the announcement today has brought me a littl relief from the perspective of -- from the op-ed, you mentioned the op-ed and, you know, when you do things likeu that, yot positive and negative feedback. i received a phone cal inmy office, luckily i wasn't there, but the individual left a message and basically said, you know, i don't want my tax dollars spent like this, so i'm oughtof glad, and i th about that and said, wow, there's so much uneducation in america and people don't understand how government really works and how it impacts them day to day, and maybe this kind of does show people how government truly works and it impacts you day to day whether you're sitting in the middle of washgton, d.c. or not, an that there's going to be some

level of education and understanding in terms of that day-to-day impact and you really are using these services for. >> need a little bit of understanding out of all of this. >> yeah.u lajuannasell, brad hufford, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. very much.t we appreciate >> woodruff: now to the analysis of shields and brooks. that is syndicated columnist mark shields, and "new york times" columnist david brooks. hello to both yo of yu. we meet just a matter of hours, mark, since the president announced that he was going to go along with the democratic plan in the short tjust to get the government back open. but we just heard ama speaking to these two, the federal employee brad hufford, laanna russell who's a contractor, you get a sans that this really did harm people.

the 35 days, it wasn't just a blip, it was something that affected people's lives. >> i don't think there's any question, judy, and, particularly, with the push by vice president cheney, endorsed by republicans and not totally reenticed democrats to pvatize by contract the federal responsibilities, these people are not federal employees andur won't be rei ford the time off, tf me outrk. so i think, you know, it's being felt everywhere, and i was capped by wilbur ross, the secretary of commerce, his absolutely insensitive remarks about why don't youak justa loan. a table loan? that's a pretty good deal, they dismantle the consumer protection agency and mick mulvaney, 35% interest a week interest. so it huri, this pan all the way around.

>> woodruff: david, what abo that? we heard ms. russell say at the end, if nothing else, maybe the public gets a little bit of an education about what the federal government me >> more on the conservative size, not a gigantic fan of it but always admired federal workers. when you get inside the feder agencies, you see how high quality the people are. i talked to brad backstage and he's traveling a lot for fema, going t where people need, living out of a suitcase for a government worker and the citizens and the peoplee. sacrif i recommend a podcast by michael lewis on the national weather service. you see on his podcast how fanatical they are about trying to get the weather forecast rrectly. they're making public sector incomes. the people who do this work ae dedicated to the work. >> woodruff: makes a difference. bout thistalk agreement or temporary

agreement, mark. three weeks, no money in there for the border wall, but the president is now saying i want it, it's got to be in there or i'm not going to sign a permanent funding deal.pe >> very reed national republican said to me this afternoon, everybody knows what happened -- five weeks and the president got nothing, it was, ca total fold against speaker pelosi and chuck schumer not doing a vicn tory dancee end zone or spiking the ball today and being rather generous in their remarks, but this was a total -- i mean, the president insisted and demanded the money for the wall. it's n in it. he demanded to speak to the nation in the house chamber, the majestic, historic setting, not lansing or charleston, west virginia, that was offered to him, he didn't get it. so it was a total defeat for hi, elieve me, judy, there

will not be the will among t republicans ee weeks to go back and do this again. once it's opened, it's going to be opened. >> woodruff: wat's that mean, david? >> i agree with that totally. a totalictory. so much for the remarks on the super bowl, the democrats have this big triumph, he pid his do you see.ta but it is a tvictory to the democrats. i turned on some conservative talk radio, the sean hannity show this afternoon, and sean was trying to defend it, but hia ers were having none of it. they thought this was a collapse, a defeat, we're really downhearted, and they understood what happened, the poll ratings were terrible, his poll ratings drop 37%, one poll said 34% which is an all-time low, and now the likely to be a little lower because now his base is a little upset with hi and you think three weeks in advance, i will say this to federal works,he democrats are feeling great about themselves. if donald trump wants to bri this on again, they're happy. if the republicans are

miserable, they never want to come back to where they are right now, so the odds we'll have another shutdown strike me as low, and for trump it would be suicidally low to try thi again. >> woodruff: but me's sticking, mark. the president right now is saying i'm going to have money for the wall. >> he is saying that.pi just t up on one point david made, marquet unirsity poll, which is a respected poll in wisconseported not only simply 29% supported the shutdown and 66% opposed it, bu an important question came out this week the results, 27 would definitely vote to rereflect donald trump. twenty-seven%. and 49% would definitely votes for anybody >> this is a state he won. a state he carried and a state yestenay where ro johnson, the republican senator, chastised and publicly scolded the republican senate leader mitch mcconnell for allowing this to happen.

so if one wants to see how things do develop here in washington and we do listen tole the peack home, i think this is a case of the republicans listening to the people back home. >> mcconnell was a masterpiece in i had nothing to do this. s d this happened in some other universe, it wasn't me. nobody wants to be associated with this. >> he had no next mo i mean, donald trump -- >> woodruff: he didn't have an alternative. >> he had no alternative. the difference is, in real estate, with respect to the profession, i ll david, you know, we just had the plumbing done a year and a half, although the roof is in a great sha it's a one off deal, if it's not david, i was dealing with mr. x. in politics, your word is the one thing you're seeing the same colleagues every day, and if the word gets out thashields can

be trusted, that shields doesn't keep his word, tn heu're dead meat in a legislative body, no one's going to trust you. donald trump doesn't understand that. we comes out of real estate, you cut the deal, then you move on. but now he's got the same people he's deali with. and part of mitch mcconnell'sty midty beyond national caution is he was strrified. >> woodruff: he'l the president, david. he's still got a republican nenate. >> right, but i' sure how many of them will want to walk into any difficult confrontation with him. just as mark said, it's always great to declare a shutdown because you get the f burst of, yeah, we're really standing up. t to have step two, tee, four, five, and you have to have a path to victory. t in every governmutdown from the ted cruz one to this one, they've never had a path te get , and it's always hurt the side that instigated it. >> woodruff: let's tale about her big story today, david, and that is roger stone,

the president's long-time friend, con phi cant, we have been expecting this would happen, but today, ear ts morning, the f.b.i. agents showed up at hisouse in florida with guns drawn, banging on the door, knock tong door, and he's been indicted in charges of perjury, obstruction of justice. t where are we e mueller investigation? there's still much we do not know. >> i know roger stone had the unique pleasure of having known roger stone sie 1971, whi is 48 years. roger has -was always a political idealist. he was working for richard nixon doing dirty tricks at 2 age. roger passed through the idealistic stage somewhere around recess, and has been there ever snce what came to me today was the subtlety of roger's, i'e nev

turned on one of my oldest and dearest friends, and all i could think of,ardon me boy, is this where you get a presidential pardon. it's serious. when we were talking about earlier in the segment with yamiche and lisa, when you getnt the presi personal attorney, the national security advisor, campaign management,y the depmpaign management, old dear friend crony, and roger's idol was roy cohen, and roy, you've got to say, has been faithful to him. >> woodruf david, what are we left with? >> well, one, you have to bow down in admiration for the audacity of his lying. one of the things he told the house committee was that he'd never had any contact ever in text ormail with this randy credico, this talk showt, hos and texted him 30 times that day. a lot of people are dishonest

but that's super perjury. so he is what he is. as for the larger where this takes us in the investigation, i'm not re where it taes us. why would the trump white house be trying to get information out of stone, trying to talko th talk show host and wikileaks, trying to talk to russia, if they actually had a challenge russia -- >> woodruff: the campaign. the campaign, that they challenged russia and masrmd colluded with russia toll affect the election. first, the other thing we saw today i don't think they're master minder and why are they taking a back route to beg for the information if they had the channel? it mey be the a bunch of bum blears that did bad and illegalf but the big collusion story may not be the case though. we don't know. >> woodruff: or that this was the channel or just a bifurcated channel that wt in different directions.

>> different avenues in.bu it's serious stuff, make no mistake about it. >> woodruff: a the president, can he dirtily say today -- the white house said today this hs nothing to do with us, that this happened, wee it, but it didn't touch anybody in the white house. >> yeah, i mean, it goes through the litany, ju py, of theople close to the president who already plead guilty, it becomes circumstantial. if i go to sleep tonight and te ground is bare and i wake up tomorrow and there's six inches of snow but i dt de it snow, it's pretty strong evidence it snowed overnight. you have to look at the theti accumu of the blizzard of indictments. that's a bad metaphor, isn't it? >> woodruff: but just quickly, w.vid, we wait, we don't kno there's so much we still do not know. >> woodruff: and -- and it's consuming the presidency and when the house

investigatory committee gets going that will consume what'sft f the organization in the white house. >> he took on a san francisco democrat and found out indianapoli -- foundout nancy pn her spine. >> woodruff: th's the president. mark shields, david brooks, thank you. >> thank you. >> woodruff: we return now to ar we first brought you in 2017, about a podcast produced entirely from san quentinis . one of the show's co-hosts was i releasnovember, after serving more than 20 years behind bars. jeffrey brown went back to california to catch up with him and find out what's next for the hit podcast. >> brown: all right, so this is wally different from whene were last together. >> yeah! thiss-- you know, you was like... >> brown: yeah. >> but now, it's like... ( deep breath ) >> brown: for earlonne woods, the "routines" of daily life are

anything but. these days, he chooses when to wa the dishes, check email pack a lunch. no more tiny cell, hordes of other men, strip searches. some of his biggest concerns now are simple, and relatable to all. >> no lie-- i've been out ybe 40 days? i've put on 10 pounds. >> brown: 10 pounds? >> i've been looking to lose about 30 pounds for at least 20 years. so i'm going to gethere. >> brown: now it's 40 pounds. ( laughter ) sorry... we first met woods in 2017, when he was an inmate at san quentin prison. he was serving a 31-year-to-life sentence for attempted second degree robbery. and, along with san francisco- eased artist nigel poor, he was the co-host of "hustle"-- the hit prx podcast produced entirely from san quentin that gave a rare and intimate feel for life behind bars.

>> brown: with an on-air rapport like lifelong friends, the pair gathered stories and interviews from inmates in the the show picked up millions of listeners over three seasons, and covered everything from cellmates to death row. but perhaps the show's biggest moment came this past novemb: we got some breaking news, earlonne. ( laughter ) it's the day before thanksgiving, and today you got some amazing news. >> after 21 years in prison, governor brown, the great governor of california... >> absolutely! >> ...decided that i served enough time in california state

prison, and he commuted my sentence.od >> brown: wos has been paroled to oakland, where he's received housing through "re-store justice," a non-profit that works on criminal justice. refo even his daily commute is a novelty. >> i take it in. i sit here and observe. >> brown: in his commutationow letter, jerry who just finished his tenure as governor, said woods "set a positive exam through his podcast, has shared meaningful stories from those inside prison." ity ays mr. woods is "clearl longer the man he was when he committed this crime." >> right. >>rown: true? >> very true. very true. len i got locked up in 1997, my mind-- it was jue a light switch, just, just flipped. like, i'm done with that side of life. i'm done with the crime, i'm done with the gawis, i'm done th everything. you know, i'm just going to move forward in my life and just do me. today, i'm probably back that eight-year-old dude i used toyo

knowknow, but i'm just older now, and so i'm back to my authentic self. ( laughter ) >> brown: that "authentic self" is clearly what appeed to so many listeners of "ear hustle,"d and wos now has a full-time position with prx to contie working on the podcast. he'll be based at the offices oa "r at the center for investigative reporting in emeryville, calirnia. nigel poor will keep going to san quentin, working with a new co-ht and new challenges. in what ways do you see it changing the podcast? >> this is the thing i think about-- there's actually something that is beneficial about working with a lot of constraints, and inside prison obviously there's so manyre rictions. and i think that forces you to be really creative and problem solve. i like working that >> brown: and that's what you've been dealing with for the last few years. >> yes. >> brown: and now? >> and now, without that, i do wonder how-- for me, the

challenge is going to be, how do we keep the intimacy of the project? tnow that we literally ha world in front of both of us, to do various things with it.>> rown: one issue the two will tackle is based on wood's new reality: the process of re-entry to society. and on the day we visited, wooda and poor were ng their scripts for a special "earle huepisode featuring an interview with governor brown, recorded after the commutation. as >> brown: the teamlso learning the ins and outs of a new recording studio-- one far om the media center at s quentin. >> all right, come on now. tell me how it feels being in here. >> well, i mean, it feels cool. we back to what we do. so, you ready? to all right, partner.

>> you're listenin special, unplanned, abbreviated episode of "ear hustle." >> brown: you've goto think about "ear hustle" podcasts in a different way, i guess? >> yes, i think so. part of what i never paid attention to is that we humanize people. w you know, e just going in t tell stories, you know, not really looking ait like, "oh, this is a sequestered population that don't too many people know about."k and i th's the same way out here, is that re-entry is a part of the population, and a t of people don't know about. >> brown: on the podcast, you've exploredhis idea often, the sense of loss. you know, that shame of lost time, lost cnections. do you feel now like you have to make up for lost te? >> not at all. >> brown: no? >> not at all. if i do make up for an, it's with my immediate family. you know, the time that i've been gone, the time i've been away-- my mother just turned 70. my mission is to spend time with her.

i'm not trying to go too fast, to catch up with something that i've missed or nothing. and i'm just waking up every day enjoying the fact that i'm waking up free. >> brown: when we talked at san quentin, i asked you about victims of crimes. >> right. >> brown: how should they feel, look, watching you and watching what you were doing at san quentin and watching you now? >> when people come to jail,ab they have to ritate himself, they have to change their thinking, their mindset. and i believe that as far as me... if a person is looking at me, they're saying, "okay, wellt he's doi right stuff. he's doing all the right things to get out of prison. he got out. j got out, got. t's going on about his life." so i would hope thy're looking at me like, "okay, if there was a lesson to be arned, he learned his lesson." so i would hope that that's how they see it. >> brown: for the pbs newshour, i'm jeffrey brown in oakland, california.

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tonight on kqed newsroom, a breakthrough in the longest government shutdown in history. a presidential race gets a candidate from california. we'll have a round of topp itical developments. criminal justice reform in california. it winl now behe hands of voters. one year sincepo recreational sales started in the golden state. why the largest cannabis market still has a long way to go. hello and welcome to kqed newsroom. we begin with a compromise, at last, for the partial government earlier today, president trump agreed to end the longest government shutdown in u.s. history. >> over the next 21 days, i expect tha