tonight on kqed newsroom, a breakthrough in the longest government shutdown in history. a presidential race gets a candidate from california. we'll have a round of topp itical developments. criminal justice reform in california. it winl now behe hands of voters. one year sincepo recreational sales started in the golden state. why the largest cannabis market still has a long way to go. hello and welcome to kqed newsroom. we begin with a compromise, at last, for the partial government earlier today, president trump agreed to end the longest government shutdown in u.s. history. >> over the next 21 days, i expect that democrats and

republicans wil operate in good faith. ts is an opportunity for all parties to work together for the benefit of our whole, beautifulo wonderfuln. >> the deal would reopen the federal government for three weeks giving lawmakers time to vote on border security. the five-week long shutdown furloughed 800,000 federal employees and forced them to work without pay.pr sure was on president trump and mitch mcconnell to end the shutdown. joining me now to discuss all of this are president of democracy and color and founder of she the people, amy allison. karla and gop political consultant. welcome to you all. >> thank you. >> this was a bit of a surprise today, right? the announcement endinghe shutdown happened, it was remarkable, given he said he

wouldn't cave in recently as yesterday and now he backed now with no explanation. why do you think he did it? the preside got schooled, is what happened. he found out from the mother of five and grandmother of nine, nancy pelosi that making a deal on capitol hill is not the same as making a dal in his reality show, with his reality show cast. this is a skill set he does not have and she body slammed him this week. not just on the shutdown deal, going back to the state of the union, where he insisted he was going to give it and she said, you know, talk to the hand. i'm in charge here. >> there's no clear date on wn he wi give the state of the union address. >> we areo going come up with an agreeable date. she said today, it's for people who work. the federal workers are the main

issue here. 800,000 of them. trump came away with nothing this w a shutdown that cost $1.3 billion a da 35 days. we come back to the deal he turned down in theng begin >> we had a president who really acted likehe was king w unchecked power. now, he's facing a very skilled politician who has a support of a unified party and she really knows the turf. she's been in politics a long time. he's floundering around. he, for the pastpl c years has been pulling people into a mud slinging, name calling type of overnance, ifcan call it that. it's a new day. it feels good. >>ou have been so quiet. that's with the roger stone indictment that happened today. >> i think three things

happened. poll numbers came down and they are down, ev with some in his base. two, no one noticed much of a government shutdown. he heard news of employe being impacted. today, air traffic controllers said planes aren't flying. it's t first time the public woke up and said, hey, this has broad term impacts. as karlaisnoted, is the same heal he had before the christmas break. back in the same place three weeks from now. quite frankly, i'm surprised he didn't say he is goingus to his executive power and fund it out of his authority. >> on that note, what arehe chances he will get any kind of border wall deal within the next three weeks? >> he won't. he's going to get no deal. he mayry to come up with comprehensive immigration reform. yode a point and you are

right. the democrats are feeling strong. the way pelosi schooledtrump unified most of the people in her democratic caucus. she owns that room. now, you are going go not just fights on immigration issues, the investigations at keep coming fast and furious. that's going to be coming up in congress. >> when you have border securiat, the demo aren't going to go. they want to be -- >> not necessarily a wall. may do drones, high-tech border security. >> they have made ie , they are not for open borders. they want more border security. you may see more money on that. that's where both sides can claim victory here. hyou are r she has all the strength behind her. >> how do you think nancy pelosi, if she's inclined, what

type of deal will she cut so both sides get a little bit of something. >> focus on the democratic party. i want to take a ment to remind nancy pelosi supporters, she wasl skilln checking the president and refusing to make a deal that was bad for the country. but, she needs to keep the re of her party happy. here in california and across the country, we have massive wins on the wing of immigration reform. on the heels of inhumane treantent of mig and the same policy that is were happening on the border, giving i.c.e. expanded power and human rights abuses without the passage of daca is not going to fly with the base of the party. >> they are cracking down on the border today. we had a situation where they are making asylumy seekers s in mexico, waiting for caseso

be adjudicated. >> we have a lot of -- we have to tell the truth to ourself as thert democratic needs to be a real alternative to what the republicans are offering the last couple years in termsf immigration. that's going to be the point at which nancy pelosi, leader of the party to hold the coalition together. have got to not ld when it comes to things that are important to the base. >> they all sported the act of 2006, which provided almost $2 llion in funding for fences and secure borders. there's supposedto be a second fence. they didn't fun they are all on the hook. there are half a million people undocumented that come into the country a year. they have to address that issue. i will tell you, it's not going to be drones and blimps. they have to dort some sof barrier that actually works. the issue with regardsto, we

are all giving nancy pelosi kudos for tooling the president, but she's only better than the guy or gal who is her opponent. the republicans stood on the sidelines saying this. mcconnell doesn't want to get involved. the preside is in the suit, he's got to get out of the suit. >>ththey don't comeough the wall. they come through airports. the problem with illegaldrs, they come through the ports of entry. this is where trump has a problem. is is where the democrats have the high road at this point. we'll see how that works out. this issue of border security is going to be an issue. i think we are going to see some kind of deals made. >> february 15th is t deadline to watch. let's move on to harris. she announced she is running for resident. s joining a crowd that is crowded and diverse. what does she need to do to stand out from the pack?

>> first of all, it was, you know, millions and millions of women er color cheering when she centered the race because there hasn'tnbeen, modern times, not since many, many years,ea 47 ago, where another black woman had run credibly for president in this country. she's already making history and coming fro california, understanding where california is on the candar, those o us who live in california are going to start voting february 2nd, in 11 months itincredible, you know, her coming in. what it reallyiseans that the way she is standing with the pack is by a new playbook going straight for the core of the base. if there was a lesson the democrats needed to learn in 2018 in the dterms, that the base of the party, the strongest democrats ar black women. if you do not win black women, no one, not one of those candid,es in the fieeven if it's a crowded field will be the

party's nomine what does harris do? she announces on mlk's birthday. she gave a speech in front of og gi a speech in front of the aka's, one of the major black ser orties. she went to howard. she's part of that network. she's embracing the congresswoman who ran 47 years what this means is because she understands the voters she needs tovi ce and has quickly reaching them and that netwo that's going to be the x-factor. >> she's facing criticism, right? on what some liberals view as h tough on crime prosecutor record that in many ways disproportionately affects low income people t what are things harris did that they are finding problematic? >> it helps her in the states th are early on to have her

background. she was liberal enough when she was d.a. not charging cop killers with the death penalty. her problem is going to be inexperience. have been in the snow fields in new hampshire in the wintertime. i have been in the iowa corn fields. it is tough. it requires anique kind of character. when you have 20 or now 30 democrats, t mayor of south bend, indiana, running against you, how do you distinguish yourself? obama was a different character. he came out whenat demo supported the gulf war, he was the antiern. he came out against that. it took awhile t convince the an african-amerhe could win. it was hillary head-to-head with obama. she can raise a lot of money,ut oes she stand out? >> she's a great communicator and has a very, very sharp team in san francisco. she's rolling out in oakland, a

city with a lot of black history. >> she'll be in oakland monday. >> exactly. her rol as prosecutor, interesting. it could cause problems on the ft, but it could help her knave gaher navigate issues. >> she untested. >> i just want to talk about an untested person that's currently in the white house. after trump, nobody gets to say anything about experience. this woman is a sitting senator andas a good chance as any. >> we'll leave it there. thank you all. we turn now to criminal justicereform. jerry brown signed a bill for criminal defendants. it's viewed as discriminatory, keeping low income peoplebehind bars because they can't afford to pay. it's been challenga by 2020 ballot measure that seeks to

overturn it. gavin newsome has more. >> hello. >> let's start with bail form. the new law to base a person's relese on risk, not ability to pay. it's facing a challenge at the ballot box. what are the arguments against l this and why is it creating this process? >> i think there's two buckets here. the bail industry, which obviouslyoses the law because they don't want to lose their biness. there's insurance companies that back those bonds. i think both sides put a lot of money into this referendum with the effect to put this on hold for another year. there's civil rights groups that are concerned it gives too much

powe judges. biases sneak into t system. others who walked away from the table and opposed sb-10 are not thrilled the bail industry are using their words to run the referendum. >> the ac and bill in the same tent. >> they are not, really.g we are goo see over the course of the campaign over the next year and a half, the cracks will emerge quickly. i don't know that you are going to see the civil rights groups line up. >> what are your concerns about dermining who gets bail? the new law does provide for >> yeah, so, the way the new law will work, it's going to shift away from your ability to pay, in order to be released, pretrial, to risk. it is a much more sensible ayproach. the it will work, when somebody gets arrested, they ce through the door. they will be assessed by either

pretal services, entity or a sheriff's department or probation department. they are put in three categories, low risk, medium risk and high risk. the low risk should be released ght away. medium risk will be a question mark.oi it's to be one of the problems with the law. now.'s no uniformity right you are going to have 58 counties implementing the law in 58 different ways. so, forexample, you will have a lot of people who areta ded in one county and wouldn't be in another. >> the way it will belled out. >> yeah. >> the other problem that criticsuse, these pretrial assessments are only as good as the data they have. we know the authors of legislation come back.ve they introduced the bill around collecting data as a way to sort of masure whether that data is fairly balanced. you know, i think what they would say is we have two ye ws

k on this. let's address the challenges and make it work. >> it's been going on for ame lg despite the aclu stepping away, saying we don't support this version of the bill. isn't having some movement on his better than no movement at all? >> in my opinion, getting rid of the cash bill is the it's unfair. the release decision is based on one p ability to. that has been the main critique for 100 years. the cash bail system started in san francisco, two bartenders on market street started underiting releases for their clients, their lawyer clients. >> i didn't know them. >> yeah. >> yeah, so i think, you know, this is something that the aclu and folks whopposed it were worried about it. people who stayed on did see the political moment. it's not clear if they waited

unti this year and done it again, if they would have gotten it through. move on to juvenile justice. governor newsome working to move it away from correctional systems and under the control of health and human services. what is the governor hoping to accomplish by doing this? >> if you move it into a placed ban social services and through a lens of not criminalo justic corrections, maybe you will serve these kids better. i think tere's a of details we are waiting to hear. all he said so far is we are going to move it. i think there's questions about what that means and whether it will change anything or basically a shuffling on the deck. >> you have been working on juvenile justice reform for 30 years. what do you think of the governor's plan? >>irst of all, i applaud governor newsome. when is the last time a governor took this issue on? the problem is, historically,

what governors have done when faced with problemsn the youth correction system, they take the existing institutions and move them someplace else under the belief that's going to change things. the last timeas 2005 when governor arnold schwarzenegger did it. rew, here we in 2019. we have had the same problems manifesting themselves. >> why is that? if you take something away from the correctional departmen different staff, different culture, perhaps, or not really? >> that's theroblem. ake the existing institutions with the existing staff and move otthem to ar entity with, essentially, an administrative umbrella. you have the same staff. you have the same culture. it's not just the culture with the staff, but the kids there. these are violent institutions. a lot of kids come from urban

centers, divide into gangs. you have all the gangs that exist on the street, exist within the institutions. >> what should be done here, dan? >> my belief is the solution. we are at a point now. we have enough institutional space now, at the couvey counties in the last 15 years have built new detention centers, high security institutions. >> they are at full capacity. >> most of them are at a third ofcapacity. they could absorb the population. ail juv hall with capacity of 367 with 94 kids in it today. 24 in the other. >> just quickly, 50 seconds, what youre saying is maybe take all of this out of the hands of the state all together and in the hands of th county. >> this is recommended by the ver institution. make sure the counties are held

to accountability. >> th governor created this position, surgeon general, first time ever. he named a f pediatricianom san francisco. how might that have an impact on juvenil justice? >> this appointment of her whose research is around childhood trauma and accountability and their ability to thve. to have someone like her in a position like that and bring her around with the cjj announcement, he may be looking at it more creatively and open to things dan is talking about. everyone thinking surgeon general, you are thinkng smoking and health and health care. >> she has an interesting lens. he's folding her into the discussion. we might see something more creative they. >> thank ou so much. >> my pleasure. now, to california's

cannabis industry. legalizing recreational marijuana statewide was supposed to weaken the black market. one year after the launch recreational sales, those promises seem far from reality. thana billion dollars le a year before when medical marijuana was legal. meanwhile, the state released the final set of rules for the cannabis delivery. they clude p delivery to consumers 21 and older. joining me now a to talkout this is david, california cannab bureau chief for weekly.com. >> thanks for having me here. >> why was the estimah less than was projected? eat does that say about california'sorts to reduce the number of people buying pot egally? >> it's going to take time.

three quarters of californiaot does allow physical cannabis stores. consumers can't go in and spend their money. we had the industry contract as medical dispensers became illegal dis maine didn't make a dollar. nevada started before us but we ellipsed their earnings because we are so big. >> proponents said small producers un't be edged out. has that come true? >> not at all. cannabis has run into larger forces where you needmillions a millions of dollars to open up these stores. ensing.back to l you know how hard it is to run a lemonade stand. the cities and the state is beginning to look at ways to

make it easier for small businesses, but they face a broader realityin the economy. >> what are things you are looking at? >> cities frke sacisco and oakland create equity programs and licensesor small and minority owned businesses. the programsave gone statewide this year. >> this is to help people who are disproportionately affected during the war on drugs. >> that's right. a lot of them bore the brden o the drug war. a lot ofth consumers believ should have access to the legal market. that's starting cu o and starting a national conversation around how to get more legacy actors in the legal industry. >> california has a huge surus of cannabis. the food and agriculture estimates californiaed lis 15 million pounds of cannabis,co sumed more. much of that is smuggled eastward. when the surplus is that big, is

it possible to b tame theack market? >> over time, definitely. the prices and legal market are collapsing. they are down from $5,000 in the '90s per pound down to $1,000 now. withhe profits going down, so is the motive to grow it illegally and ship it east. as more and more states legalize it, the black market goes away. >> is there a tipping point orl cat to get us to that point where the legal market overtakes the black market for cannabis? >> it's already happened. farmers say they have lostheir shirt in the black market. they have having trouble this year with prices low ashey are. there's legislation pending in washind.on, it may end prohibition as we know it in america. tha promises to access rate the price decline and theove to

grow it illegally. >> the state finalized operating under temporary emergency ones. one of the final rules, the more controversial ones allow marijuaeliveries to cities and counties, even those tha banned pot businesses. iw will this affect the industry and likely to face legal challenges? >> it could. there's opponents of statewide delivery including police and cities who want to control what happens. if you want to undercut it, provide access to californians, especially 75% that are in ban towns. the final rules code the reality, the statewide in the rs can deliv state and county in the state. the regulated delivery is not an option, thelack market will be one. you can go on instagram and

craigslist and order up cannabis. consumers need a better option. >> now that we have legalization, what is there cannabis for 2019? >> we are going to see a variety of smaller,we l dose products come out. the cannabis flower buds pople are familiar with, the dry one that people roll into joints are the most popular. we are seeing edibles, one, two, three, four of thc. you can have anfft like one beer, where it might not affect you at l and y need one, two or three doses to notice that. we are seeing more specification in terms of the specs you are getng. you are controlling how strong the effects are, people are dialling in, just pain relief or just inflammation and seeingbi can products that decrease appetite instead of stimate it. >> very interesting, david

dos. cannabis bureau chief, nice to have you here. >> thanks for hing me. that will do it for us. you can find more at kqed.org/newsroom. thank you for joining us.

robert: the shutdown. short-term fix. but the political war is only beginning. i' robert costa. welcome to "washington week." president trump: i'm very proud to announce today th we have reached a deal to end the shutdown andeopen the federal government. robert: president trump backs a bipartisan deal to reopen the government until mid february. it ends the longest shutdown in hist but conservatives are furious because it does not include money for a border wall. and the president warns if he doesn't get that, he uld declare a national emergency. plus -- >> open the door. robert: trump ally roger stone is arrested in a pre-dawn raid. indicted on sevennt