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public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. woodruff: a monster grade-5 storm has slammed into india'sst n coastline. cyclone made landfall in the state of odisha.up winds gustino 127 miles per hour ripped through trees r d shattered glass doors. we will take a clook at the scope of the devastation, ryright after the news sum here in the u.s., record- breaking floods in the midwest have now claimed the lives oat least four people. in iowa, theississippi river swelled nearly 23 feet in davenport, breaking the cord set during the great flood of 1993. floodwaters also inundated communities faher south in burlington. meanwhile, in dearborn heights, michigan, flash flooding submerged cars as families evacuated their homes.

in economic news, the u.s. job market shattered expectations in april. the labor department reported that u.s. employers added a net 263,000 jobs last month. meanwhile, the unemployment rate fell to a five-decade low of 3.6%, down from 3.8%. wages rose 3.2% over last year. the president's top economic adviser, larry kudlow, welcomed the robust jobs report today outside the white house. >> the strength in jobs and wages is coming from the middle and the lower middle. it's the blue collars.ha it'si call main street. and to increase in wages,t similarly-the level, mind you, but the increase-- is much faster than white collars. >> woodruff: today's better- than-expected jobs report sent stocks sring on wall street. the dow jones industrial average

gained 197 points to close at 26,505. the nasdaq rose 127 points, and the s&p 500 added 28. also today, vice president pence joined president trump in calling for the federal to lower interest rates on account of the strong economy. president trump spoke by phone with russian president vladimir putin today, for more than an hour. d he said th not discuss potential russian meddling in the 2020 elections. but mr. trump told reporters in the oval office the two did speak about special counsel robert mueller's report onn russection interference. >> we discussed it. he actuay sort of smiled, when he said something to the effect of, that it started off as a mountain, and it ended up being a mouse. but he knew that, because there was no collusion whatsoever.

>> woodruff: president trump said much of their phone call focused on the political crisis in venezuela, and he claimed that putin was not looking to get involved. that contradicted comments u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo made tuesday, blaming russia for convincing venezuelan presidenti las maduro to remain in venezuela. moscow backs the maduro regime, while the u.s. supports opposion leader juan guaido. house judiciary chairman jerry nadler has s a new monday haadline for attorney general william barr to over special counsel robert mueller's full, unredacted report. in a letter, nadler threatened to hold barr in contempt if he doesn't comply with the requesth death toll from the ebola outbreak in eastern coo has now surpassed 1,000 people. the country's health minister said attacks on treatment centers have undermined containment effort

85 health workers have been wounded or killed since january. the outbreak began back in august, and is the second deadliest in history. in britain, there has been a brexit backlash at the polls, with nearly all the votes tallied from thursday's cal elections. more than 1,300 of prime minister theresaay's conservatives lost their seats, along with over 70 lawmakers from the opposition labour party. meanwhile the pro-european union beral democrats won more thanse 70s in the party's best showing since 2004. les leader hailed the outcome. >> well, i'm just ating a really great result here, chelmsford essex. but this is the story across the country, you know, the liberal democrats were written off at one point, but we're coming back very, very strongl every vote to the liberal democrats is a vote for stopping brexit. absolutely clear, unambiguous, mnest. >> woodruff: priister theresa may conceded the

election results have sent a message to the conservative and labour parties to "just get on and deliver brex." a federal court in cincinnati has ruled that ohio's congressional map is unconstitutional. it determined that the district boundaries were manipulated by republican mapmakers to theire, advantnd ordered the map be redrawn for the 2020 elections. and, a passing to note.yh peter , the british-born actor made famous for his role as chewbacca in the original "stawars" films, has died. the furry wookie warrior was the loyal companion to hson ford's han solo. though mayhew was always in costume, his guttural roars became iconic. peter mayhew was 74 years old. still to come on the na shour: adly cyclone makes landfall over coastal india. new revelations about the f.b.i.'s counter-intelligence investigation of the trump campaign. the trump administration expands

the righf health care workers to deny treatment on religious grounds.re and, much >> wdruff: we return to our top story, the enormous cyclone that slammed into northeastern india toda whipping the region with lashing wind and torrential rain before moving into neighboring bangladesh, it was the worst storm to hit the area in two decades. cyclone fani lashed india's east coast friday with prolific force. sustained winds of 127 miles anb hotered coastal areas, destroyed homes, tore apart roofs, toppled electrical lines and knocked out power across the region. >> ( translated ): this one is the most severe tropical cyclones i've experienced. >> woodruff: cathe stor ashore friday morning near the town of puri as an extremely

severe cyclone. it is now tracking northeast past kolkata and toward northwest bangladesh. inland, driving winds shattered glass doors and windows at a local college. gusts even toppled this crane onto nearby houses. indian officials say unprecedented evacuation efforts have been underway. some 1.2 million people have been forced from their homes in low-lying areas to 4,000 temporary shelters.sl >> ( tred ): the situation is very bad. there are no arrangements. we only have a place to stay. >> woodruff: transit across the region is disrupted as well. rail lines closed and at least 200 trains were canceled across india, leaving travelers stranded. >> ( translated ): since last night, we have been sitting here. we are not getting any train. we are just sitting. and our money is also gone. what do we do?

>> woodruff: in kolkata, the major regional airportlosed for a time. in some places, residents have gone out to clear fallen trees. relief efforts are underway with more than 50 rescue teams dispatched. india's coast guard is out distributing aid to survivors via helicopter and ship. the navy, air force and army on high alert. the storm came in the middle of he most devastating cyclone in recent memory to hit india landed in 1999. ain and winds more than 170 miles an hour, it killed 10,000 people. stwith bangladesh in this orm's path, 60 million people are tential targets. authorities there have already evacuated 400,0000 to shters. snigdhchakraborty is the baorladesh country manager f catholic relief services. she says the nation faces severe flood risk, especially in low-

lying areas. >> ( translated ): the rains ve already started and t dikes, the river dikes are already getting damaged becarie of the hig in the water in the river. the primary aim now is to evacuate the people to the safest cyclone shelters. >> woodruff: she says e more than one million rohingya refugees from myanmar living in bangladesh are also at risk. they live in makeshift housing at camps in cox's bazaar and will yet again have to relocate. ed ): they're already living in sort of temporary shelters, although they are strong enough for the time being. but it will also give them a mental stress and kind of anxiety of how they will live again.uf >> woo as the cyclone moves northeast this weekend, heavy rain and strong winds are expected to persist.

>> woodruff: after months ofp president trcusing the u.s. government of spying on his 2016 camign, the president responded positively thursday to a story from the wnew york timeh new details on the f.b.i.'s effort to covertlyti gather infor from a trump campaign adviser. we're joined by one of trt article's res, adam goldman. he covers the f.b.i. and national security for the "new york times." adam goldman, welcome again to the "newshour". so tell us on what basis it t was story saul about an f.b.i. investigator meeting covertly with a trump campaign advisor. tell us, how didhis come about? how unusual was it? >> i don't think it's very unusual if te f.i. believes there's wrongdoing, need to get

to the bottom of this. typically, might send an investigator like this woman in alongside an informant to figure out what hapened, and that's exactly what they were trying to do. the f.b.i. was trying to understand, you know, was george papadopoulos, this campaign advisor for s trump, me way working for the russians? and they atought thecause they received an allegation that, in fact, he was. so they moved quickly and aggressively to try to figure ou before the election ended, was he, in fact, rking with the russians. >> woodruff: what was the basis they were us?i what evidence did they have that there was a reason to try to get in and know more ab was up to? >> at its core, theal ausn government provided informationa that george --the russians had essentially made george papadopoulos an awful, saying ey hadacked e-mails --

democratic e-mails, and they could help him release them and coordinate t timing of that. and papadopoulos had told that to the australian ambassador at the time in london, and tht information was relayed to the f.b.i. months lat, in fact. and that was the genesis of the f.b.i.'s russia investigation known as crofire harkin. >> woodruff: in terms of particlens of somebody who follows the f.b. all the time, what's the difference between investigating someone as they did in this case and thy acknowledge it, and spag on someone, which is the term the attorney general used at one point and the president is using? >> i mean, you typically don'tor hear law enment officials use the word "sp ilu know, it's court-ordered or court-approved surnce. that seems to have become a loaded term, a pejorative term.

you know, attorney ge earlier this week that it was a fine english word, and he had no oblems using it, but for critics of trump, they see this as a way to, you know, delegitimize, you know, the f.b.i.'s efforts to try to figure out what was gong on in this really he can tick period before the electioo >> wuff: well, as you say, the trump adminiration attempting, many of them, to say that this was not ait legate move on the part of the f.b.i. oko would have had to approve it before it tolace? >> and this was a sensitiven operatking place in london and, as i've said, the british authorities were notified, m.i.5, and that woulhave gone to the highest levels of the bureau and the justice department itself. this was a very, very sensitive operation they were running in

london, and a lot of people would have known about it andt would have required approvals at the highest levels of the justice department. >> woodruff: in other words, multiple layers o authorization, which makes it easier or harder for it to have been politically motivated.ct >> right, ex. with career prosecutors making those decisions, you know, the inspector general of the justice department is looking at what happened in london and the useof this informant who the f.b.i.ed deplo brush up against papadopoulos and, as part of that, they will probably look at this government investigator and what she was doing, too. cultimately, the i.g. wime down and say whether this was inappropriate orot. so far, nobody's provided evidence that it ws somehow illegal or unjustified. >> woodruff: ad goldman with the "new york times" on a story that's getting a lot of attention.

thank you, adam. >> woodruff: stay with us. coming up on the newshour: w questions about the relationship between gender and sports. mark shields and david brooks analyze the week in gton. plus, gloria and emilio estefan on their shared life in the music business. for many years, both political parties have agreed to exempt some health care workers from providing care and performing certain procedures they object to on religious or moral grounds. that can include abortions and sterilizations. but as amna nawaz tells us, president trump has gone further than his predecessors by issuing lex and more comprehensi rule allowing for these exemptions.ju >> nawaz, the president announced the new rule tied to the national day of prayer.va consve groups welcomed what they call "conscience protections." g

but, womenups, l.g.b.t.q. advocates and others are warning the rule could reduce servicsc and lead to mination against transgender patients and others, and potentially harm patients if providers refuse tn deliver certre, or treat people. under this new rule, hospitals, clinics and other institutions must comply with 25 laws that arpart of this in order to receive funding from federal progra such as medicare and medicaid. margot sanger-katz writes about health care for the "new york times." welcome to the "newshour". so you've described this to my colleagues as anexxpansion of t rules, both the category of workers and the ways in which they can object. explain that to me. >> so there have been rules protecting prctitioners when they objects to performing procedures, an abortion, say but this wipeddens the category of person who can have then, objectncluding the

scheduler in a medical office, all the way up thr toue board of directors of a hospital that might say this hospital will not perform certain services, will not offer th to our patients. so the kinds of groups of people who can object to things on a conscious basis have grown. the other thing this ruldoes sit provides more enforcement processes and moe puishment. if a hospital fails to protect the rights of its religious worker, then it could be punished pretty substantially, potentially losing a lot of its federal funding. >> so, obcsiously, crif the rule, opponents to it, say this means there are lots of ways people can discriminate against certaicocategories of unities. what are some of the examples that they cite as places where people can come in contact withe ththcare system and be denied services they should get. >> so i think there are a lot of concerns. weon't know exactly how this is going to play out on the ground, but the wory is certain kind of patients may be denied care because the healthcare workers treating them have

religious convictions that disagree with cerftain aspects their lifestyle. there is a concern a doctor would nochwant to treat aild of a gay couple because they have a religus objection to gay marriage,o a lot of contrces sgender patients may have difficulty accessing services. the rule makes reference to oldr lawsom the 1970s that protect workers who don't want to participate in stoneriliza suggests that sort of services transgender people receive may be considered as sterilization which transgender advocates say is a stretch of what the law was meant to do. >do. what if protecting someone's religis freedom meansey're discriminating against another group. how do you resolve against th conflict? >> i think it's an interest questioning because these are both civil rights questions that are supposed to protect patience and prevent them from being a subjects of discrimination because of their status or their facts or other -- sex or other

aspects of their person, but also the concern of the civil rights of the healthcare workers who shouldn't be forced to do t thinat interfere with their religious convictions, and i think the trump administration through this action and a series of other actions have sill nailed theye much more rried about the civil rights of the religious person in a healthcar settan they are about the civil rights of the patient ding being denied care. the details of how this would work out in any individual case we will have to see. you can imagine, for example, a situation in which both parties may have a legal case to bring forward in the way ichts resolved. >> san francisco middle east sued the trump administration. the rule is scheduled to go into effect 60 days after published in the federal register. what do we expect to happen next? will this get caught up in a legal battle ad never be implemented? >> i think that's possible. there are a nusm of healthcare ibs tuesdays and muicipalities like san francisco that are

worried about this rule protensionly interfering with some of their practices and ited could be stoefore it goes into effect. we've seen that with other trump-related actions one having to do with family planning grants, where healthcareere providing abortions in the family planning events.so this may be caught up in the icourts before we see on the ground. >> margot sanger-katz of the "new york times." thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> woodruff: all over the world today, men and women compete inl high-lthletics. but to keep competition fair, they almost always compete separately. the world's sporting organizations argue's a clear, distinguishable line between the sexes. but, as william brangham reports, the case of one female south african runner, olympic

gold medalist castor semenya, hablurred that line. >> and no one close to semenya! >> brangham: castor semenya blew away the competition today at an 800-meter race in doha. it was the two-timolympic champion's first race since she lost a crucial court ruling this week that put her dead centein the debate over equality and gender in elite sports. it was also perhaps her last race before new rules take effect that could prevent her fral ever running profession again. t today, she said she just wanted to inspire others. >> at the end of the day, it's all about inspiring the world,. you kn showing the world, you know, it's possible if you believe. >> brangham: atiero in her na south africa, semenya has drawn attention for years-- not just for her blazing speed, but because she reportedly has what are known as inter-sex traits, h which gi elevated levels

of testosterone. semenya is not transgender. she was born female. but she's long faced questions about her gender. no one has argued she s cheated, but some competitors argue th higher testosterone gives her an unfair advantage. oris week, the highest court in international sp, ruled that female athletes with elevated levels of testosterone must take hormone suppressants to compete in certain races. semenya says she doesn't want to do that, and shouldn't be forced to. the court acknowledged its ruling discriminated against semenya and others, but it said it's a "nessary, reasonable and proportionate means" of preserving the "integrity of female athletics." the secretary general of track and field's governing body defended that position this winter. >> the regulations that we are introducing are there to protect the sanctity of fair and open mpetition, and that's reallyat

whe are here to defend. >> brangham: that position has been heavily criticized by many as misguided. semenya was asked about her future after her victory today: >> last one-- what happens for you now? >> i keep training. i keep running. esn't matter. if something comes in front of me, like i said, i always find a wato come jump it. >> brangham: it remains to be seen wheer semenya will appeal that court ruling, or start taking the hormone suppressant ugs in order to continue racing. for more on semenya's case, and what it means for the sporting rld, i'm joined now by madeleine pape. she's a former track and field olympian. she represented her home country of australia in the 2008 beijing olympics, and in oth international competitions. she's now working on alogy ph.d focusing on gender at the university of wisconsin, madison. and, chr columnist for "usa today," and a

regular guest on the newshour. thank you both very much for being here. madeline, to you first, you havg racenst semenya and you have a sense of how fast and what a remarka se athle is. what did you make of this ruling saying, if she wants to keep racing, she has to start taking dr suppress testosterone. >> i was disappointed with the decision by the court sofh orb arbitration. a she has been journey at the international level and the sport has uen on a jorney. contrary to how this is represented sometimes, thereac ally is a great diversity of opinion about this topic, and a lot of peopa have chnged their views about sex and testosterone. so i was really hoping that semenya would be the athlete that would put an end tohe tse kind of practices in sports and the court would make a ruling.

>> the what do you think the tourt specifically got wrong? >> it's difficulay because we don't have a full account of how the court made its decision. i think there are some questions, though, that remain unanswered. for example, whyt is it the rules apply to the 1600 meters and a mile, even though the court acknowledged that there is no scientific evidence to illustrate the relationship between testosterone and athletic ability in those events. so i think that as gone unanswered, and i also think therdhas to be more cussion of the scientific debates that continue to surround the idea that testosterone has a clear relationship to athletic abileny. that scfic discussion is ongoing, as we've seen in the last few days. >> christine, the court clearly ruled the science is clear. contrary to what madeline is saying, they argue science showi

levels of testosterone confers an advantage. but the court basally acknowledged that, yes, we are discriminating against this woman, but we're doing it to protect the integrity of women's athletics more broadly. what do you make of that? >> first of all, we nnot say ed enough how terribly caster semenya hair trespecially by the i.a.a.f. this is a woman of importance in her country, a woman of color in uth africa, and for her to be dragged through ten years, basically, of uncertaty, when she was born this way, is astounding, and the lack of leadership there is remarkable. having said that, this is a conversation that i think we're going to be havg for the next 30, 40, 50 years, a conversation about exactly, one, a level of testosterone that we would likee tollowed in women's and girls' sports. with caster semenya, she was born this way, but c -- cial to keep saying that. she did nothing to change.

this is how she. >> i've written columns defending her, absolutely. but the important point, is ere is a larger conversation, and this may well be, as a journalist covering ympics for 30-some years, this may well be, william, a story that then t jumps in world of transgender participation in sports. this is a topic and conveation that will be discussed at dinner tables, permarkets, what we want in terms of girls and women's sports. we've made the classif that girls and women's sports are different than boys and men's sports. we have de that classification. so how do we then pursue thesee issues, esally at a time where we're looking at the sierntion and i think that's why this ruling was important an discrimination, again, against caster semenya is soun rtunate. there is a larger pool here to aiso look at and to wonder about discrimination at those athletes. >> madsine, as christine saying, we did, once upo time, decide that boys and girls

athletics should be separat because there is a desire to have a more level playing field. caster semenya's case forces us to really reconsider tha >> yeah, that's right, and i think -- i appreciated christine saying that. i think one of semenya's legacies is going to be that she has led u towards this conversation and this reflectiow on hfeel about sex and testosterone as it relates to sports. i think in response toan christine'wer earlier, it's important to be clear that transgender women and women witi testosterone are subject to distinct sets of rgulations, and changes in one set of regulations doesn't necessarily have implications foe other. there's no doubt that we have to have a larger convertion as a sport about the place and the rights of transgender women who haven't been give an fair hearing in terms of it being a

comparish i -- compassionate and informed conversation. but i think women with high testosterone need to be judged on their own terms and people shouldn't bring felings about transgender women into this alnversation. i think we ca agree we have women's sports as our top priority, and we want what's best for women'sports. we may disagree on how to get there, but we all want what's best foromen's sports. i take my lead from the women's sports foundation in the united states and advocates like billye jean king who have come out in support of caster semenya and encouraging us to see her contribution to women's sport a positive and something to celebrate. >> christine, in elite sports elsie, i'm thinking of lebron ichael phelps, those people are extraordinary athletes, but they are also nearly physically pect for their particular sport. we don't look into their

abilities and think of it as an unfair advantage, we think of in as par pars of their greatness. why do we think of cster's case differently? >> we haven't made a classification for many of the categories you just described. r example, michael phelps feet, like flippers, certainly helped him and his torso. so if we had a classification for foot size, and i think you know me well as a journalist, i take this very seriously, so i'm not making light of thies, if did, then michael phelps would be in a different category than some of the other swimmers. but we don't do that. society, our culture, william, has decided to make categories for women's and men's spo and separate them. we basically have segregation.wa by the, transgender rights are hugely important to me andou anytime elve into a complex conversation that's been going on for a lontime, you t to make it crystal clear, i support

transgender rights, i absolutely. do the question is what are we going to -- what do we want to see out of women and gilsr sports and is there a limit on testosterone involvinand participating in women's and girls sports, and we have seen t wi ncaa and the international olympic submit committee anthothers, tha are saying, as a transgender person -- and, again, caster semea is not transgender, but to take the conversation further, if you are transgender and you are woman, then you need to take come hormones so that your teosterone level is lower. we have seen leagues say this.yb this will go to the supreme court court at some point and as a journalt, i plan to cover every soasked. this but i would also s this, if you think of caitlyn jenner -- bruce jenner won the olympic gold in 1976 before ico starteering the olympics in the decathlon and was one of the greatest winners in sports.

instead of her dciding to transition, and had done this in $76 to '84 and came back to los angeles and competed in as a woman, and would have won, we would have had a fantastic and riveting conversation about this then. that's what we are talking about and i asa urnalist see moving forward. >> complicated with no easy answers. christine brennan, ma madelineu pape, thank th for being here. >> thank you. >> woodruff: from the attorney general's testimony in front of the senate judiciary, his no-show at the house hearing, and a growing 2020 field, it's been anher busy week in washington. here to help us break it all down are shields and brooks. that's syndicated columnist mark

shields, and "new york times" columnist david brooks, who joins us from san francisco. hello to both of you, david and mark. let's start by tlking about th phone call we learned about this afternoon, mark, the president on the phone, over an hour with russia's president vladimir putin. ta are told the president himself said theked about russian interference or alleged interference in the 2016 election but completely dismissed it. he said the two of them areed that the mueller report was a waste of time, in so man,y wor and that the whole russian -- belief that the russians did anything wrong was a hoax. >> the president has ended the discussion. that's it,udy. i mean, it's over. ignoring the findings of the c.i.a., of the n.s.a., of the intelligence agents -- center for intelligence, dancoates, all, including general jim

ttis, secretary of defense and now secretary pompeo -- mikemo when he was c.i.a. director all concluded russiat had fered, but when asked by christian welker today bade u talk about mungs meddling, the president accused the nbc correspondent of being rude by asking such a question. so tt's where wee. t woodruff: david, does it undermine what robeller did that the president continues to say this whole thing was a hoax? >> well, it certainly undermines american democracy. it'sike having a conversation with the japanese emperor in 1942 and notin mentipearl harbor. it was an invasion of our democratic process and every american in the country except one understands thasot. rump wonders why people investigate the idea of russian collusion and th idehe's somehow tied to russia in some nefarious w. ll, this is why they do it

because, in public and the way he conducts himself, he acts like someone who n collusion with russia. there probably with us no collusion but he acts thaway. you wonder when putin thinks when he doesn't get challenged when he does something like this and you wonder what exactly is the motivation. does trump like putin personally? is it strategic? it's baffling. >> woodruff: doesn't appear the president brought up concern about the russians' interference in 2020 which otherficials have said. but somody before wong kong this week because of the muelles report wttorney general william barr. mark, he spent hours answering questions before the snate diciary committee. it was very contention when democrats were asking questions but he held his ground. he said he -- he defended the way he hndled robert mueller's report, and this came just hours ter we learned that mural had

eepped no to tll the attorney general he didn't like the way the report had been characterized. >> judy, you have to say that the attorney general, finally, the president got an attorney general he wanted. this is at he's been asking for, that jeff sessions failed the test, the loal councillor, the apologist, the defender -- an all-out defender, he evenna scribed theesident making calls to fire people as an innocent act of frtstration, nefarious or double dealing. so that's what we did now he's not going to appear before the house. i would say, as long as this feud goeon, if it's bill barr against jerry dler chairman of

e house judiciary committee, it's exactly where the white house wants it to be. >> woodruff: david, what did you make to have the attorneyee general this before the senate? >> i thought it was best express bid piece by a legal expert in the atlantic, he said he didn't see any sign of perjury, that he didn't lies nancy pelosi claims, but he spun.ng so everyte said was shaded in the direction to make trump look good. and if there was ohing we needed right now and one thing we need it's peoping honest, people you can actually trust who are not just sinners. the job of attorney general is not like the other administration jobs. it's supposed to have its own independent loyalty tohe l and to the agency, and when you become just another spinner for the president, then you're undermining your relationship to the american peoe, you're undermining your defense of the agency and you're suddenly unsormining law. would have loved to get out there and say here's the facts, you canrust me, i telling you straight. he didn't tell it straight. he withheld when hewanted to, he sort of side stepped things.

he was just another press spokesman. >> woodruff: and this all seemed to playn, mark, to what appears to be a seriously teriorating relationship between democrats and the congress and the administration, as the democrats seek moe information they want to investigate, what comes out to ve the mueller report, the administration, the trump white house iso,aying,e're not turning over documents, we're not going to let you interv people. what are we heading for, as david mentioned, speakerrer of the house nancy pelosi was comparing what the president is doing to richard nixon. yeah, i mean, that the attorney general was leliberately misleading, deliberately un, nobody can argue, i don't think there's ano question that. as far as deteriorations, judy, i mean, the democrats have the house, the republicans have the senate, and the election is some 14, 15 months, 16 months away, and it is a -- it's politically

fraught. make no mistake about it. e democrats have to make the case against donald tump, and the case to be made is on healthcare, that this administration led by this attorney general this week moved again more the repeal of the affordable care act. that would lead, according to the nonpartisan congressional budget office, 32 million americans losing health insunce. all right. that's where we ought to beng figholitically. but i understand the democrats' dilemma, they are facing what is a constitutional challenge and test with this president andn what he has dand to leave it be and to move away from it completely is to somehow establish that a president can do just about anything. >> woodruff: david, are the decrats making a mistake? are they going overboard by the demands that there making? >> i think in some ways the focus seems just as partisan as anything coming from the republican side. i think there's one more step he, that's the mueller

testimony. but it's hard to see too many other steps after that. if i were a republican, i would think, you know, if they want to talk about th m minutia of the mural report and grwth wages for poor workers, that's a conversation i would like to have. the democrats would be wise to let e voters decide. >> woodruff: mark, are you saying democrats should jut drop this? >> no, i think quite bluntly,ch judyirman nadler has come across as almost on a personal vendetta against donald trump. i think there are hearings to be held, i think the bob mueller hearings. i don't know why, for exa they didn't just have attorney general barr in and, then, if they wanted toeurn it ovr the a staff attorney to ask questions at some point, let thg attorneral get up and barge out.

why get into this back and forth if you really want to hear what he has to sa? and that's what it's become. yes, no witss shod be able to determine exactly what the conditions are under which that witn bs will appeat, listen, i thi of bill barr, terry nadler, with the bes unemployment record in 50 years is a plus for the white house and that's not exactly wh want the democrats to be right now. >> woodruff:. >> woodruff: any middle ground here? >>aven't seen much middl ground in washington for years, so i don't think so. >> woodruff: true. well, let's move on just quickly, both of you, to 2020. joe biden jumped in the race over a week ago, but he made his first big campaign appearance, david, this week in pittsburgh. he's making a clear pitch reach to voters who are working class, who a members of labor unions and others. is that a smart approh for him? and, by the way, we've now got

close to 23 docrats talking about running for president. >> yeah, first i think biden isg tahe smart approach, and it's paying off for him. i think a lot of us were stunned by how well he's done in thepo s when he announced he's very strongly ahead. he's tied with bernie sanders among democrats who cal themselves liberal. he's strong in the center, to the right to have the party. he strong across e board. he's especially strong with 50% of minorities, african-american voters support him. he's opened up -- it's veryrl he's opened up a very compelling lead so his strategy is clearly working. as for the number of candidates, i'm beginning to think it's a problem. yonknow, you have a diner party and think how many people can you have a good conversation with, 22 is not the right. numb i think if we have that many candidates, first, they're going to have to do desperate things to wi attention and, second, we in the media will act as gatekeepers. we'll only pay attention to a few, and we'll be the gatekeepers and ot the voters. so i'm worried about what's

about to happen. >> woodruff: i want k about biden but also about this notion that there are so many candidates making a serious run. >> judy, there are so man ndidates for a very simple reason -- in th last lop poll before the election of 2016, first time in american history both candidates were rated personally unfavorable by the voters. donald trump was 36 favoble, 61% unfavorable. he had never served a day inbl office civilian or military life. he had no experience and he won. an unpopular man. i'm a congresran three tems, i'm a county commissioner, why shouldn't i run? if i can be one oo people on the field against him in l vember, i can beat him. that encourages ands of people who never thought of running the past to run. vid is right, the idea of the press being the gatekeepers is a raer sobering and unreassuring prospect bed upon the great job we did in 2016 with donald trump, in particular.

so i think that's a pro.bl the other problem is that somebody could win in that big a fid with 33%, 35%, and never have to worry about getting -- >> woodrs f: a lot lesthan 50. >> a rot less than 50. if you have a sidol0, that's probably bush you know, it will win out in a hurry.n we w get 23 in iowa, and we sure as hell won't have more than 4 or 5 -- maxte 4 afiowa. so i'm confident in that htspect. >> woodruff: all r30 seconds, david. do you think we'll be down to four or five by iow >> no, i don't. i think we'll have many. office of respect th the presidency. it's an impossible job. you should have the preparati of a bob dole or john mccain or somebody who's been around, john kennedy, before you step in that job. there should be a ladder leadin. to that jo it's not a novice first job for anybody. >> woodruff: that rules out sevel of the folks who ar running. rewon't name any names but it rules out a few. >> and it rules several in.

>> woodruff: it does rule several in.o david boks, mark shields, thank you. >> woodruff: later this evening on pbs, a special honoring gloria and emilio estefan, winning the library of congress' gershwing prize for songwriting. amna nawaz is back, with a conversation with the talented couple. ♪ ♪ >> nawaz: that beat. it.s instantly recognizable ♪ ♪ (♪ "rhythm is gonna get you" ♪) >> nawaz: sounds from the 1980s that dominated radio and mtv... ...making gloria estefan and he band, the miamsound machine, including her husband, emilio estefan, one of the most popular musical acts of the time.

g(♪ "rhythm is gonet you" ♪) >>roawaz: breaking through f the spanish-language genre to number-one hits on the billboard pop charts. last month, the library of congress honored the couple with the gershwin prize f popular song. the next day, we sat down with oue estefans to learn more about their music, theirey and their relationship. how does this work?hi >> i it's love. i respect a lot of us. bunlove is absolutely the m thing. respect and communation. >> that and he makes me laugh every single day in my life, >> nawaz: eversingle day? >> every single day. in some way, sometimes not on purpose. he makes me laugh. but no, you know, what it is, i think we're a balance. we were very different, personality-wise, but when it comes to the things that are important in a good partnership, is we have the same values, morals. our family come first,he priorities.

we're on the same page. we rary differ when it comes to business or music. so if you don't argue a lot, that really makes-- makes it for a great, great life and very fast. n az: you really don't argue a lot? you know, i find that hard to believ >> we know that your love isth making the person happy. sometimes you, you don't do gthings if you think you'ng to get upset, and sometimes i do things that makes you happy. >> nawaz: it was music that ebrought you together in first ace? >> it was. they'd been playing around town. they just played for the mayor. so we're all excited or good. this guy's going t pcome to give nters on how to do this thing. so he knocks on the door. we're at my friend's house, andy pen the door, and in comes this guy with a giant accordion around, like, and in very short shorts, whicmade it look like he was naked, because the accordion was covering the shorts.as so iitting on the floor and i remember looking up and he has great legs. so that was e first thing i saw. very nice.

and then, a couple months after that, my mom dragged me to a wedding. i walk in and there's this band and everybody's ving a blast. it's all there. it felt like a scene out of a moe, for me especially, because there was a guy playing "do the hustle" on the accordion. hello! >> nawaz: the guy with the legs. >> it was him. i didn't recognize him till we kind of bumped into each other in a doorway, and i go, "wait a minute," because i haven't seen him with the band. i go, you're that guy. he goes, you're that girl. then he asked me to siith the band that night. a couple songs.en e asked me to join the band that night, but i said no. >> nawaz: what was it about her why did you chter her like that? >> you just wanted the first night that i met her. i mean i said, you have such a beautiful voice, sid why don't you come and sing with us in the band? it will be something totally different, because i love her. there her boys. >>awaz: and be rewarded. between the two of them, they have won three grammys and three

latin grammy stars on the hollywood walk of fame; induction into the latin songwriters hall of fame; the presidential med of freedom; and for gloria, a kennedy center honor. you know, you said something once in an interview about the rst time you met gloria. this goes back to what you're sharing about her family. you said when you first met hert here was a lot of sadness. >> yes, in her. >> nawaz: where did that come from? c >> well, we lea, my mom and i. my dad took us out of cuba because he was a police officer. so, when the coup happened on new year's eve, he came home to mom and he said, we're trouble, the president just left the country, and she told him, don't go back. and he said, i have to go back. i'm a police officer. i can't abandon my post. so then he told my mom, i have to get you and gloriout because this is going to get very ugly. so i was alone with my mom, and then my dad-- because my dad then went to the bay of pigs invasion. he was a political prisoner forw

years. so for those two years, i started playing guitar and singing. i sang since i talk. this was it, just came with me, so music was my catharsis. i would-- my m would make me play for her friends, and i would, like, stare at the floor becausn't like being the center of attention. but when i sang, people would cry, and i'd say to my mom, whym do ye me sing if people are going to cry? ( laughter ) she goes, they're crying because you're moving them emotionally. it's not because they don't like what you're doing. >> naw: you've now lived the majority of your lives here. you were a child when you first came. you were a teenager, right? but you said, "we still have an immigrant mentality." >> yes, we do.: >> nawat does that mean? >> he keeps the slippers that are in hotel rooms. he's got a stack of them like this. >> nawaz: why? >> you never know. he still likes to buy on sale. we don't owe anything. so that kind of thing, where isyou're always thinking, could go away, this could go

away. you have to be safe. you ha to be careful. >> nawaz: you think they're not going to pay y? >> i'm saying good etiquette. everybody has to really realizeo that things caway. >> you know, something i think-- in this country, people take things for granted. and one of the things that we take for granted-- freedom. i mean, we, we came to t country, not looking for-- maybe a better opportunity here. we was looking for freedom. gd you know, sort of keep that safe is really keep your feet on the ground, saying, you know something, we'rsed. we've been blessed with our career. we've been blessed with our family. pe had the healthy kids and we were very happy le. and you know something, we are blessed, and that we are alive and that we made a recovery, and something that we love that is music. (♪ou "rhythm is gonna get ♪) >> woodruff: what a great interview. you can see tributes to the

couple, tonight, right here on pbs. and before the estefans, don't forget "washington week." obert costa reports on the bitter legal figcapitol hill, complete with threats of contempt and impeachment. that's coming up on "washington week." and that is the newshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. ve a great weekend. thank you, and good night. >> major funding for the pbs ne:hour has been provided >> kevin. >> kevin! >> kevin? >> advice for life. life well-planned. learn more at raymondjames.com. >> bnsf railway. >> consumer cellular. >> babbel. a language program that teaches spanish, french, italian, german, and more. >> supporting socialre entrepurs and their solutions to the world's most pressing problems--

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